The Good and Bad about Hardware Music Production - Should you go Dawless?
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- Should you go dawless?
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Hybrid here. Strictly hardware for music production and tracking. Strictly DAW for editing, mixing, and mastering. Best of both worlds.
Dope!! That’s the way I do it!
Hey bolow
Are in nyc for studio production
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Hybrid sort of here also. I am from the age of hardware and love hardware. But used software here and there. I have the MPC One now and I like how it is the best of both worlds. I can still have my hardware and do things strictly that way, but can also run MPC Software along with the One and have way more access to sounds/samples etc. and still don't have to look at my computer screen. I can still do everything just looking at the One. And being able to incorporate Maschine into MPC is a plus too!
I wouldn't call that Hybrid. That seems to be stand alone of two seperate tasks. Hybrid is when you sequence both soft synths and hardware synths in simultaneously in your DAW. Same thing with Hybrid Mixing using a hardware Compressor, Pre and Eq in conjunction with plugins in your DAW. I use Presonus *Studio One* Pro as my DAW that I use to sequence ITB with both soft synths and hardware synths like my Motif ES6 keyboard and Fantom XR as sound modules. My hardware synths are used in the same way as if they were virtual plugin instruments in Studio One. I no longer sequence on hardware because of hardware failure that I experienced with my MPC 5000. Its much harder to get your stuff off of dedicated hardware that tends to be obsolete that's usually several years behind current computer technology once they do break. I also do lot more than just make beats as I'm heavily involved in the Vocal Production process. I have analog outboard gear on the left side of my Argosy Console desk for Hybrid Mixing and tracking vocals for my clients. Right side of the console desk is the digital side where my MOTU 828ES and hardware synths resides. I have basically a dual Hybrid setup in one Console desk since I wear both the Producer and Engineers hat.
You cracked me up when I saw the pain you felt over getting rid of a few pieces of gear. I've been in the biz for over 40 years and I've regretted virtually EVERY piece I ever let slip through my fingers. Fortunately. there aren't many that got away and I have a nice collection of primo gear. But still (for the readers out there), if you have the good fortune of being able to get new gear WITHOUT selling your old stuff, that's what I'd recommend. ☮️💟🌍
MPC Heads are like Jordan heads...we all have our Faves but always check for the new. The MPC work flow can be tedious but results are MAGIC..... MPC 4 Life!
Sorry for my ignorance but what does workflow entail? How easy it is to use the machine??
the mpc is an instrument. u can do a lot of things way faster on the mpc. anything u play rather than program.
@@wjl2068 sp404 is even easier
This guy just made me realize how friggin old I am. He said he started out a very long time ago on a computer when Reason first came out. I started when synths sounds, drum sounds, sequencers, effects mixers and recording devices were all separate machines!
That’s how I worked.. Cool Edit, Acid Pro & Reason, and two 1200’s..
*This is why hybrid tends to be the best way to go. Take music made during New Jack Swing era. It was recorded with hardware onto & edited and mastered (in certain cases) in the digital domain.*
dont go dawless dont go pure daw just do hybrid, you get the best of both worlds
I letgo my Roland TR 808 decades ago Big Dumb mistake. But I kept my EMU SP1200 LOL I will never let THAT GO... hardware for life ✌🏾🧔🏾🎧
I remember back in the days bouncing my sounds from my MPC 3000 to an alesis adat. I do not miss those days. 😂
I remember those days lol
Sequencing on hardware and then try to convert years of files is a headec on obsolete hardware. I still use hardware but not in the same way I used in the past. Basically I use Studio One as the sequencer, while I use hardware as a sound module like a virtual instrument in your DAW. I still own a Fantom XR that's still kicking. Sequencing in the DAW is much better and less time consuming.
Yeah, that sucked. Tracking to a daw is better from hardware
Had three of them chained up fro 24 tracks 😂 too an expensive!
Biggest mistake I made was dumping boatloads of cash into iOS purchases only to find out apps sometimes get like a year of support and every iOS update breaks everything. MPC One is easily the best budget entry into HW.
Definitely
Well comming from an MPC user for many years. The power supply going out on mine put the final nail in the coffin that I will not go back to hardware sequencing. I lost a lot of beats, I can't even get off my MP. It's a known problem in the MPC 5000 model as Akais quality control has went down hill.
@@eman0828 ok. Don’t know what this has to do with iOS being a money pit...
@@AstrotardJones I'm talking about hardware. That's your pros and cons is hardware failures. Its better to sequence on a computer than the dedicated hardware it's self. Less chance of losing files. It also become very tedious to convert everything on a hardware sequencer esp midi files esp when you made decades of beats that could be thousands of files. I only use hardware as a sound module while I use Studio One as the sequencer.
@@eman0828 right which is completely fair. My gripe is with *iOS,* not actual software which transcends OSes and updates.
Started making beats with pause-tapes. Then i moved into Cool Edit Pro, Sony Acid and now settled with FL and Cool Edit.
HIPHOP
I remember the day I was late on a car payment so I could buy a boxed version of reason 4. That was a huge step up as previously I'd been cutting and pasting in garage band and using the stock virtual instruments. He's right about using reason and needing lots of work to get it hitting hard. A friend said "it's like growing corn."
“Warm” 😂 I love that! If your professional than I would not blame you. Also time and space. Ty Bolo!
Mpc ONE user here, too broke for a MPC X but I love it.
That “warm” sound is where it’s at, brudda!
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Great video, Bolo. I'm trying to find the balance between hardware and software. I like software because it's easier to edit a lot of mistakes, but the feeling of actually playing the instruments cant be truly replicated.
I stole one drumkit of you few months ago. Then I discovered you in TH-cam you gold ma G keep the traction going 🔥🔥🔥
At least your honest lol
I started out on hardware strictly and only used the software to track the music into and arrange the song. There is still nothing like the hardware sound to me because like you, I've been making music for a long time to the point that beard has changed colors lol. I started on the 60MKI, then the MPC 2KXL, then the 3000, then 4000, then 2500 as well. I still own my 4000 and still use it to this day and would never sell it. Then I moved to reason as well and used it for 13 years in a combination with Logic, then went strictly Logic and Maschine.
Nowadays I find that a hybrid setup works best for me and the way that I like to make music in my studio. When I'm on the road it's strictly the laptop, my maschine, and LPX but at home the MPC 4000 is the brain that controls everything. Good video man!
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Even though I'm on Maschine and Reaper (still learning Reaper), I made some of my best using the Roland MV 8000 and the Fantom S88. That combo right there... before that, Ensoniq MR76 and MPC 2000. Gotta say I personally like the dawless setup better.
My workflow is hybrid. Hardware for the beat making and main instruments. Software for the arrangement, edits, and mixing.
dope video! Sub'd
Would you say you've taken "limitations" or creative workarounds and applied them to your DAW workflow? That happened to me when i hopped on the 4000. Made me chop samples differently in Ableton haha
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Bolo, you are a blessing!
I started off daw less on a Roland XP-60 (best pre sets ever) and loved it. But man, I made a few tracks on the Play Station 2 (of all things) and fell in love with the 'piano roll' method of production. It was hard to go back to hardware after that. I bought some hardware a few years ago but didnt realize how spoiled I was from using a daw. I'm always making beats on PC, the hardware is gathering dust in a closet.
I used to record on MTV music Generator on PS1. The memory card wouldn't save so i played the track and recorded it on a VCR tape lmao
I agree , I started on cpu first and just could not get that signature sound until I got a MPC 2500 (had to learn the whole process over and get JJOS ) but got that genuine sound I was looking for . Next up is the MPC X 🎯
I love my hybrid set up. Everything is connected and works together. I saw and learned how you tracked from your video with the MPC x and Roland fa. I now utilize that technique for my MPC one and korg krome. Appreciate the content . Stay blessed brother,
Great vid man. I’m getting into a more Dawless setup and watching your vids have been inspiring. I don’t have an MPC X (yet) but I did get the Maschine+ along with the Roland MC707 and TR8S. I have them all routed to the Soundcraft Signature 22MTK for now as I’m still kinda figuring out different configurations for my workflow. Appreciate the insight.
When I was using hardware I had to have the trusty notebook the right down what sound was midi channel 1 what sound was channel 2 etc I don't miss that
I really enjoy your content! Thank you for your contributions to the musical community! Many blessings to you, Bro!
Thanks 🙏🏾
I am a Reason user myself but since covid I moved to my wife's flat out of fear of a lockdown (duh!) and my setup is in storage now. I bought the MPC Live a while ago for live but now I do everything on the MPC and I love it. Stay safe everyone! 🖖😁
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You're a very knowledgeable guy and it's proven by your music. I have been watching a lot of your videos lately and I have to watch more.
Dawless is way more fun to create music. I just mix and polish everything with FL.. it can be expensive and addictive!
One can get the same workflow using a DAW as long as the person has a midi controller. 🤷🏻♂️
I think FPC in Fl Studio can do the damn thing but you need to have a template ready even if you going to use new drum shots, teaching my 11 year old son he didn't have the patience , of learning FL Studio at first now he is in love, now we got to study finger drummer on our Akai mini keyboard along with him learning piano, he is how ever in second year of learning the violin 🎻
Always giving that truth, also with a DAW you can manage your audio easier, love your info BOLO
I remember having 2 sp1200's and resampiln and bouncing down samples to save time the sp1200 only had 10 seconds of sample time but that sound WARM 🔥🔥🔥 it really replicated the true vinyl sound
Thanks for the Much appreciated input..
Been thinking of an MPC for a few months..
I have used a computer software, and laser software for a while..but many, many problems with updates in the middle of critical work etc.
I've had multiple computer Fails but my hardware continues on like old friends..
Doing what needs to be done.
Thank You again
Dope workflow.. I know the feeling of selling old gear. My old set up was Roland sp-606 and Juno-G, Yamaha tx81z, various other sound modules like motif rack.. going into a Yamaha mixer and then into my Digi 002 rack. Then my partner would bring his Fantom and MV-8000 and we would be making hits out of my dorm room. Crazy how time flies. I also owned a mpc 1000. And at one point I used to sequence everything in pro tools using my motu midi interface and all that hardware as sound modules. Definitely learned a lot but now I use machine and my apollo and a whole bunch of plug-in sounds. I’ve been thinking about going back to hardware though cause the creative workflow is faster.
Hey man I discovered your channel a couple of weeks ago and subbed thank you for all you do and the knowledge you give on your videos
We use to sample from the daw back into the MPC. I remember we got to the point where a 3000 was controlling 2 2000xl’s. Man that was the good old days
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wow didn't think any1 remembered cool edit pro and fruity loops 1 that where it started for me
That was cool. You got me thinking about what we used to use when I started out. We had to work so hard to get something that sounded pretty naff at the beginning but, we were young and put the time in. Learnt so much from it. A dr Rhythm and a cassette based 4 track. We played and sang and got everything down 2 tracks and then added layers after, bounced across, and did it over and over to get the levels right. Kids today, they don’t know they’re born... he said in his best old man voice
True
Music technologist plugged you for this exact video. 3 days later you make it. Great minds. 🙏
This is knowledge you get from years of experience - thanks for sharing
Ay fam, great video. Well articulated and fleshed out. I like the way you present facts from both sides in a non-biased way. That should def help a lot of people out.
Camera work/video editing could've been better tho XD.
You'll start on the computer but eventually we all try to go either dawless or hybrid
Technically speaking, unless it's analog gear, a hardware workstation is basically a midi controller with relatively low spec computers built into them, running on lightweight propriety software, which allows them to run well on low spec computer mainboards, like the radxa-rock2-som-A inside of the MPC X.
It's been hybrid for decades.
@@dugnice yes except a unit like an mpc was bult for music making so the sound module in that is much better than that of your computer. Simply compare the sound of an mpc and how full it sounds to that of your daw.
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That's actually not true. The bit depth and sample rate of the MPC X and Live 2 are the same as what you would find on most modern computers (16 or 24 bit depth and up 96kHz sample rate).
The only advantage the MPC X or Live 2 has over the onboard sound of most modern computers is that they have more audio inputs and outputs.
@@dugnice well i meant older mpcs. The new ones are basically daws in a box. The older mpcs do have a bigger more fuller sound. The bits have nothing to do with it its also the ad/da boards built into the machines.
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The older MPCs were DAWs in a box as well. If you open one, you will see they have motherboards, cpus, ram modules and a sound chip.
Analog signals are reproduced with greater accuracy than digital, which is why it generally sounds better, but that difference is typically negligible.
In fact, when asked back in 2005 if someone can make beats with *just a computer* (no other hardware), world class, multi platinum engineer Young Guru responded in Scratch Magazine with the following...
"Of course you can. In fact, an MPC is just a very simple computer. The specs of a dedicated hardware sampler like the MPC *pale in comparison* to modern-day computer music platforms."
Quoted from Scratch Magazine March-April 2005 issue #4 page 98.
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I remember runnin my Triton...MPC... Dr-5 and Shure mic through a Tascam Porta Studio and into my DAW (Samplitude) Man the sound was way heavier. Only DAW I felt came close to that Analog sound was Reason.
I’m definitely hybrid. I work with the MPC Live for samples and sampled drums. That lets me work out of the studio and chill anywhere in my house. Then I bounce those into my computer and build from there with my instruments. Eventually Mix and Master in the box too with my Apollo.
“BOLO!” always been one of my favorite tags growing up. Finally cool to put the name to a face. Good video Big Dawg.
Thanks homie
Rewire rocks
For the absolute n00b that has nothing but a smartphone or tablet, there's a digital ton of software out there that's low cost or free. I'd recommend starting out with those while saving up cash for hardware. Because, even if you decide not to into music making, you have some cash in the bank, and that's never a bad thing. :)
Still have my mpc1000 from back in the day. It was the 1st drum machine I got when I was 20 years old and started making a little money at my job. These days I have other tools at my disposal, but I could never sell it. The pads on the bottom row are a little worn out because that’s where I always kept my kicks and snares.
Thanks for the great advice 👍
Keeping my 60 and 1000 alive and kicking is a constant labor of love/hate.
The adventures they have taken me on have been so amazing. Places a mouse just couldn't go.
I don't like to spend too much time screwing up, no matter how invested I am into the pipeline. However, I did discover that a more hands on workload is exactly what I needed to jump start my creativity. May go hybrid.
“We still don’t know what warm really means” lol truth
Edging back to a hardware/software combo. This helps. 👍🙏👍
I loved my hardware setup. MPC 2000XL with the effects chip inside. Motif XS6 and Turbo XL-1 Lead sound module. Roland VS1880 for recording & mixing. But mostly just used as a playback mixer. Hardware setups allow a composer/producer to focus on just creating the music without recording anything yet. The only thing be recorded is the midi notes and expression. I used to get so many tracks completed this way. If I worked with an artist and they came to the crib for a listening session, and they pick a track or two. With a budget. Then I start seeking out what studio and engineer imma use. But yep! My workflow was bananas back then. Now! Being a Logic Pro X user. I’m engineering and tweekin stuff left and right. I get half the tracks done. 😂
I always look forward to hearing your tutorial raining in TRINIDAD& TOBAGO so I have all the time to listen 2 u bless
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I am hardware, 3000, 60, 1200 etc, and the ERM Multiclock helps no end with sync issues....Mid range Mac as a "tape machine", with very cheap used Dell "servers" for sample libraries....Stam Audio outboard....yes, not ultra cheap, but the sound and integration just works....and best of old school, and new....
This is a great vid. My go to method is to make the beat in my MPC Live then track & process in ableton. Another method is to use the DAW as a sample engine by processing the samples w whatever plugin you use. Then sample directly into the Mpc.
The hardware sound is not magic. You're simply over driving (full velocity on, usually) and clipping the samples sound internally and externally when you hit the sound card, mixer, or what ever interface in use. The same sound can be achieved in a DAW with a few clipper and or limiter plugins. Also can get that sound by recording the audio back into the DAW hitting your sound card preamp a little harder.
One of the best EQs in my opinion is the one on the MPC 1000.
Best DAW for dawless is reason, hands down, such a fun abd friendly environment.
I am 100% hardware, I run my groove boxes, sampler and keyboards through analog sub-mixers and then into a ZoomR24 24 track recorder. So I use four 8 channel sub-mixers (Mackie) into the eight inputs of the ZoomR24 SD recorder (4 mixers stereo out = 8 channels). This rig allows me to remain analog throughout the chain until analog to digital conversion at the final stage at the recorder. I also run effects through the mixers aux loops....so.....the final sub-mixes at the recorder are complete with effects and mixer EQ & level balance. I may use a 10band graphic EQ between some synths and the mixer. In the future their will be an optical compressor in-between the mixers and the recorder, four of them on the four sub-mixes.....why?......
I have immediate analog control over the entire recording and mixing process, EQ takes seconds, balancing levels takes a few minutes, effects take seconds. AND, I do all this on the fly while performing/practicing. Simply reach for an EQ knob, or an effects knob or a level knob...and the sweet spots happen in real time without ever stopping and editing. The final mixdown of the digital data on the recorder is just the four sub-mixes on 8 channels. So I am careful which instruments are grouped together on these sub-mixes. Four sub-mixes allows me to group 1) percussion 2) bass 3) rhythm instruments/samples 4 )instruments/vocals.
I have produced over 60 albums with this rig in the last 3 years....compared to nothing on computer, and one album on my old 90s rig using a Roland VS880 hardware recorder. If the sub-mix-down on the Zoom recorder is not getting the job done, I can directly import the tracks to a DAW for mastering/ mix-down (24/16bit/48/44.1). DAW Import is digital to digital so no loss of quality. Future modification to this rig may be a new Zoom LIveTrack recorder with more input channels allowing the sub-mixes to be only a one or two channels instead of the current 8.
Cool Edit for life man!
Thanks for the video and your thoughts. Man I have to try tracking out my beats through the outputs instead of using digital stems.
Rewire was removed when version 11 came out. You CAN use the devices as VSTs in DAWs that take VST3
I'm right there with you about the Motif ES Rack. Still to this day I kick myself for selling it. But, the money I got out of it went towards at that time an MPC4000. But I still wish I had the rack. Sounds on it were amazing!
I pretty much use a hybrid setup now. I first started using a DAW then went straight to hardware back in 2019 with the 1000 and 2500 but my 2500 started breaking down on me and fixing it was going to be a hassle so I first got an MPC One back in September then got a Live 2 retro last month. I love the hybrid functionality of the newer MPCs and the workflow is a lot quicker as well.
Nice vid, I’d love to hear your views on DI boxes and guitar pedal integration
So this is how RL Grime makes his fire beats.
Get a mixing desk..... an analogue mixers pre-amps add so much to your sound, quick EQ and add some FX on the aux's and you're done
Great video my guy keep pumping out that content.... i still remember the reason n cool edit days lol. Tho i started out with a boss dr 5 n a korg n364 keyboard all midi setup. We come a long way with the technology swear n i still have my original fantom x6 i want the new one bad but 3500 in a pandemic dont make sense lol. My force n mpc one does just fine. It is important to have both a dawless and daw setup i think bc no matter what ima always edit on a daw.
Be moving to Atlanta soon hope to work 1 day...👌🏾
I started on Ableton and loved the idea and sound of hardware so I bought an MPC 2500 and I ended up selling it because of how long it took to learn the program & how long it took to get the results I wanted. Wound up frustrated and wasn’t worth the time. I really wish I had the time to sit there but I can easily do that amount of work in half the time in a daw.
Yessir, There is still some times I want to get rid of mine but I know it so well and I just love how it sounds
Sounds like going dawless you're trading one time beast for another time beast. I started off in the box 20 plus years ago with Acid pro. I. Just loving how things are so much easier now compared to back in the 90's and early 2000's when I started out. I actually started out making single track beats using the sound recorder in windows. I used to sample this way too. Things have come a long way and I've definitely shown my age! 🤣
I’m definitely never gonna go dawless but I fwu fam! If I ever get blessed enough to be in your studio I’d love to make something on the MPC with you.
Dawless for pleasure and live performance, and computer for producing and finishing tracks
Nick Mira does incredible stuff in FL with Omnisphere...
He does
At around 8:10 , taking your time learning new things by slowing things down by trying to get the dawless to do a certain thing, that was gold. And that thing you learn become muscle memory you can do it off the top over and over again after you learn it. That's why i think or music nowadays sounds so similar and simple, they going down the same highway and ain't going down different paths.
Live and Fantom Xr, plus other synths and effects here. Can relate and yeah I wouldn't trade them in for a DAW, but still good to have both.
Started on Hardware. Went to Software. Now I own a Banjo. Great Perspective
I roll with the hybrid setup and love it! I have a sampler, audio interface, and a Mac with Logic Pro. My sampler has small storage so I record into logic to save sounds/projects, also to assemble tracks and mix. But other than the level of a track I do no audio editing on logic
Struggled with this for years... finally got into logic but I just dusted off my 2500 to see how I can merge the two. Thanks for sharing.
I sequenced on hardware for years but actually started out sequencing on software back in 2004. The biggest drawback with dedicated hardware is hardware failure. The power supply in my MPC 5000 gave out on me that's going to cost $400 to repair. That put the final nail in the coffin and I no longer sequence on hardware anymore and switched back to sequencing in the DAW while using my hardware as a sound module. It's a headec and tedious process dealing with hardware sequencers when they do go bad risk of losing years of beats or trying to convert thousands of files to midi.
Dawless is great because you can feel the music more then using a daw which can make your music feel flat! Great video!
Cool Edit...I remember that.
Love your videos
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Been on fl studio since 2008 tryna use hardware now too
Very Informative~
Reason is dope , I was using both of those too and FL studio
2:32 I'm on MPC LIVE as of 2019 and love it. But, I started on Fruity Loops 1 as a teen, then in music school we were mostly based on Cubase and Reason (2004-2005). I believe my next MPC will be the X, because I just like how it seems to flow. One thing I don't like with my MPC LIVE is that I can't use my Plugins in standalone. I would love to be able to use Serum and MPC LIVE in standalone, for example.
Alas, I make it #werk, regardless. :-)
Okay, now to watch the rest. So far so good.
Mpc 2000XL was my introduction to dawless too. I had basically the same setup as u man. And I made the biggest mistake of Sellkng my fantom to guitar center and sold my motif rack too
Great video... Im dawless and also try to stay "knob per function" if at all possible.
I learnt that you bought a laptop with pads and knobs and I think it’s also may export internally u should check it out but the biggest thing is after mr LN departed The Mpc world thy never sounded like mpc used to
That was a smart move Bolo buying the mpc 2000xl.. I have two renaissance & mpc2000 I'm not that crazy about the mpc renaissance too many issues with plug ins & etc but the sounds are fire.. so i take the sounds from renaissance & load it to the mpc 2000 I'm good
4:00 Put the big boy screen on it from MPC stuff 😎🥃
I was thinking about it
Well said.
cool edit was dope