The Difference Between "Methodist" and "Wesleyan"
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- An audience member asks historians Ryan Danker and Ted Campbell what the difference is between a "Wesleyan" Political Theology and a "Methodist" Political Theology.
This clip is from the event "Faith and Politics: Being a Wesleyan in the Public Square." This event began with a presentation by Ryan Danker of Wesley Theological Seminary on the impact of the early Wesleyan movement upon the social, economic, and political conditions of 18th century England and Colonial North America. Ted Campbell of SMU's Perkins School of Theology responded to the presentation afterwards, and the event concluded with a Q&A period between the audience and the speakers. It took place Thursday, February 13th, 2020 at 6pm in room 120 of the Collins Executive Education Center on SMU's Dallas campus.
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My 2 cents as someone who has worshiped in both the Wesleyan and United Methodist churches.
From my personal experience in the Wesleyan Church they say out of one side of their mouths that you can't earn your salvation yet out of the other side of their mouths they very much preach earning salvation by avoiding sin. Sin can be a multitude of things ranging from what is called out in scripture all the way to listening to music that hasn't been approved of or drinking alcohol (even if you do so responsibly). Holiness, in their eyes, is the mark of being a Christian and if you aren't holy enough then you probably, again in their eyes, are not saved. I saw a very strong leaning towards speaking in tongues and learning all sorts of ancient Hebrew terms for God and I was encouraged to use those terms often. The pastor at my church was emotionally manipulative and I suspect also emotionally unstable given how often he would cry when delivering a sermon.
I left the Wesleyan's to join the United Methodists. I liked the Methodists very much and that was where I was baptized, married, and my child was baptized there too. They were able to encourage you try and live right without making you feel like garbage in the process. They have liturgy (which is frowned on in the Wesleyan Church). There was much more of a sense of grace and forgiveness than I ever saw in the Wesleyan Church. Me and my family left the Methodists before all the current nonsense in the United Methodist Church started. Well, before it started in my area. In all likelihood it was happening out on the West coast and in some larger cities even then. As I look in at the United Methodist Church from the outside I don't recognize it any more. Where the Wesleyans were all too eager to find sin in you the modern Methodists seem to be unable to find it even when it's staring them right in the face.
I look forward to the split in the United Methodist Church and I might go to whatever group emerges from it provided that group isn't into affirming every whim of the modern era.
Well stated I have been without a church for years but if there was a Methodist church near me that wasn’t caught up in the whole sin that cries out to heaven mentality I would probably attend . But things being what they are presently I cannot abide. Peace
I think those of us protestants who don't consider ourselves methodists or Wesleyan could learn from both the seventeenth and eighteenth century Wesleyan/methodist/holiness movements. This video didn't provide any information I consider to be useful in that regard. (Maybe that's because I couldn't hear the question that was asked.)
Many years ago, my parents gave me an abridged edition of John Wesley's Journal. I read it. Later, my Free Methodist brother-in-law loaned me his seminary textbooks, I read those too. About a year ago, a methodist loaned me a book about the history of the methodist movement in the United States. I read that too but it was mostly about who served in what capacity and where - nothing really about the origins or history of methodist theology or trends within the movement. I still consider myself woefully uninformed about both the theology and the history of the Wesleyan/methodist/holiness movement(s). Can someone please recommend a book or other source for people who are biblically literate and know at least a little bit about other aspects of the protestant reformation?
2000 Years of Christ’s Power v. II & III by N.R. Needham (The best series of books on Church History)
George Whitefield by Arnold A Dallimore (talks about his partnership with the Wesley bros.)
The Heroic Boldness of Martin Luther by Steven J Lawson
@@ramlin35 Thanks. I'll try to find those books.
@@ramlin35 Thanks. I'll see whether I can borrow one or more of those books.
Nice I just did a video on similar content 😊
Just another clueless cardboard, so called Christian, organization, insistant on graven imagery, and Sunday keeping. No wonder, Christianity, as we know it, is not under one roof.
Jesus started one church and said it would last forever
The Roman Catholic Church
I hope you are just a troll. Otherwise you are exhibiting a weapons grade level of stupidity....
That's right. Jesus was from Sicily and the apostles were from Naples and Sardinia. Paul was a Roman. Pope Peter instituted the Papal Tiara and instituted Mary worship before his death in the 1st century.
@@ramlin35 no Mary worship in
Roman Catholic Church
Since when is worshipping someone other than God or his Son called for in the Bible?
@@paulsmith9868 we Catholics worship the one true God only
Jesus started one church and said it would last forever
The Roman Catholic Church
Catholics are satan worshippers