Man Steals $800,000 Selling Fake 1986 Fleer Michael Jordan PSA 10 rookies - Avoid Counterfeit Cards
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According to federal investigators, an 82-year-old Colorado man ran an elaborate scheme of counterfeit sports cards, defrauding collectors to the tune of more than $800,000 over several years.
According to Tuesday's complaint, pristine - but fake - Michael Jordan cards were among those that Mayo Gilbert McNeil, of Denver, exchanged for thousands of dollars or valuable real cards.
McNeil was arrested on Wednesday, with the wire fraud charges he faces bringing potential prison time of up to 20 years.
The complaint said that between April 2015 and July 2019, McNeil made trades online with the help of an unnamed co-conspirator, sometimes using a fake ID and multiple email accounts to obscure his identity.
To make the fakes convincing, the feds say that McNeil got hold of the plastic holders and specialist grading labels used by a prominent collectors' authentication company.
Among the cards he faked was a 1986 Fleer Michael Jordan rookie card, falsely graded "10 out of 10" for quality, prosecutors said - exchanging one for $4,500 and other similar cards for two valuable Tom Brady cards.
That Michael Jordan card is described on PSA's website as "the most important modern card from any sport in the entire hobby."
The card grading company said a mint-condition version recently sold for $130,102, adding that it is "the most heavily counterfeited card in the hobby."
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this is wild thank you for the info its crazy how easy someone can print and copy
It happened to me... I was just getting back into cards. I met Gilbert McNieil at the Denver airport and bought a fake PSA 10 Jordan rc. I checked the PSA site and app. The slab serial number came up in the PSA database. The Fake PSA slab looked perfect. Lighthouse holder. At the time of the purchase the Jordan RC was selling for $18K. 2 months later they jumped to $30K. I paid $15K . So I wasn't getting some crazy red flag deal for $4500. The card is beautiful btw. Just a fake. He had an accomplice who went by the name Sylvester. They are both guilty as hell. I worked with the F.B.I. and provided them Gilbert McNeil's info. I hope this leads to me recovering my money. Just glad these guys finally got caught.
Sorry that happened to you. Curious- how or when did you realize it was a fake?
Cap
$15k for a card…
You paid $4,500 and the rookie card was selling for $18,000?
Sell it
My son and I started collecting about 8 months ago so we’re new to the hobby and things like that make me want to quite it…thanks for guy like you that helps the hobby I might stick around.
You are the man. Thank you for posting this video. I had no idea how easy it is for a scammer to screw you over.
You bet! Im glad I was able to open some eyes out there in the hobby!
I cant believe its this easy to make a fake slab....SMH. These scammers need to be stopped, and I hope law enforcements make an example out of the next scammer they catch.
It will continue to happen. Where money is actively changing hands, scammers will always be around. Our system is soft on these type of criminals, and they are smart, that is why people do it.
I agree, and I feel like the authorities are stepping up their game when it comes to these scammers. Which, could prevent guys from doing it in the future. We'll see though. We need to set an example and lock someone up for a few months to a year.
@@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR Piece of the Past and Hollywood Show been scamming for yrs , 25+ yrs in POTPs case
Why do people collect these in the first place? They are pieces of cardboard in a case of plastic. You can get a nice printer and print thousands of these things with pics you actually like. You people are all insane for getting into this in the first place. Pack opening in itself is just gambling.
@@jeff330 Same reason people do a lot of strange things with money. A lot of time it's entertaining. Everything we do here on this earth is rented. Enjoy whatever it is that makes you happy.
Love your content, brother. Appreciate your integrity and love for the hobby. You truly are an OG 🤙🏽
I appreciate that! Thanks for the continued support!
The printing companies should be sued by PSA.
Well, it's not certain that he used printing companies, however, his technique should be looked into in order to prevent anyone else from doing it. 👀
well yes and no because what if someone has an original and doesn't want to display it so he makes a dupe or multiple dupes to display art galleries do this all the time with expensive stuff
theyre all fake
I got got on a card group from a guy that gave me a fake auto. This guy got some great stuff out of trade. Hard lesson learned
I was surprised to see the autograph cards being counterfeit because they look so real.These scammers are getting better and better! We gotta stay vigilante because it's a tough pill to swallow when you've been duped.
I have seen hundreds of fresh 86 Donruss Cansecos 82 Topps update Ripken Jr 86 Fleer Jordans 89 Fleer FF Billy Ripkens etc. So I know what to look for. I also have a special light and lens that I developed and invented. It is spot on.
Hey Matt, thank you for your informative and great videos. I have a bucket list card, 86 MJ fleer.. who doesn't right. Ok, what would your budget be? What would you pay for an authentic? What's your price on a lower grade one? I have kids one of which battled leukemia. We are starting to get back on our feet and i think i can possibly use my sports card collection and maybe some cash to get myself one. Just looking for insight.
subscribed. Excellent and insightful information.
Thank you, James! I appreciate the feedback 🙏🏻
He tried to a sell me some of his card's. I put him on blast looking at the fake card in the slab.
Does PSA use a hologram on the psa logo? It looks like anyone can do their own grading of cards and call it whatever they want. Everything a 10 . More videos like this to educate are needed . Thank you so much
Thanks for sharing this! I don't buy a ton of cards through Ebay but I am sure glad I know what to look for🤟
Love your content dude! Great to see you back. 👍
Another point to add on spotting fakes is to look at the scan of the card on PSA’s website. Not all psa 10’s look exactly the same. Look at centering or any small signs that line up with the card in hand.
I am a 6 color pressman I was working at a large printing company and they where printing sheets of Michael Jordan rookie cards... exact stock, ink,press,
A few decades ago my bought one of the printer that Fleer used to print these cards. He then sold the printer for $850k. He only paid $3200 for it.
Thx for your concise rundown on this , id submit that a more professional con person or thief may already have professional cutting edge graphing or embossing and embedding equipment and ness. skill to implicate all foil , and holographic imprints and experience with such to produce hard to tag counterfit products , those guys real bate was the price , take care and give some time to the fact the banks are bellying up now . starting with SVB Silicon Valley Bank , the FDIC has already got the keys, with City Bank and Chase Morgan on the same cliff with a couple more whales out of water i cant recall there names , many who had on deposit more than 250k are probally convulsing right now. but thx again , you bring helpful content allways .
Thanks, Dale! Gotta stay up-to-date with the times. 🙏🏻
I buy carts on auction sites all the time, and to be honest, I don’t get close enough attention to the card or the slab or the label. It’s easy to get defrauded. It’s a shame that this exists in this industry. Thank you for the video.
I remember counting the dots on the back of Jordan RC cards back in the 90s when they were going for 500-750
Good stuff. Remember, as soon as you wake up...someone is trying to get a piece of your income.
Looks like the fake case he used also had the small, embossed PSA logo in the bot-right corner. Curious how he got that detail?
theyre all easy to fake
These folks are killing us. I've always thought the tech PSA has they should laser stamp cert numbers on these cards so if they are ever switched even psa would know the case was cracked and or the card was altered
it would help for a few months.. then there would be a rush on laser etching machines from DHgate. 🤷🏻♂
This is a good idea, however, the card is no longer original. And stamps can easily be added to cards by counterfeiters. Good idea though!
Solid info on the labels to keep folks safe.
On the lower right side of the psa holder there will be a psa logo molded into the plastic. This is one method I look for to find out if it's a real or not
I've never have spent more than $5 for any card. Have a got a counterfeit? Who knows. But I am not losing any sleep over it.
I saw this story when I woke up on Saturday, great coverage on it Matt! Red flags all around here. How can you feel right about spending $4,500, a lot of $$$ but not nearly enough for a gem mint Jordan RC??? Seems sketch right off the bat. To be honest, the buyer needs to be smarter and do their due diligence.
I think he got what he deserved trying to take advantage of someone and only pay 4500
Great video Thank You .
Good video, thanks!
Glad you liked it!
First, ebay can charge less. Probstein only takes out 5% if it's over 1000, but ebay charges me 13-15% on sales as high as $4000 (niche items not suitable for auctions, like 60's OPC etc.) Ebay can cut down on fraud by lobbying against sales tax for interstate sales (you shouldn't have to pay sales tax on any person to person sale, but businesses in another state shouldn't be sales taxes) and cap fees at 5%+$1. PSA could cut back on fraud if they did $10 fast reholders, also they really should offer a service to guarantee card grade when cracking to get signed. I bought a Ryan RC PSA 7 that regraded 6 after being signed (no damage, just different grader opinion.) Of course, PSA barely cares about customers; "fanatics" cares even less (unrelated, but the name implies they give a crap.)
the OG is back
But how do I know it’s Fake BEFORE i buy it? Just because it’s too good of a deal?
Yeah I got scammed on a PSA 8 Jordan for $6,000…just makes you sick
It's so easy to do the 1st edition stamp, my roommate used to stamp shadow base charizards ALL THE TIME in 2020 right before and after the boom! I bet he still does but he moved out
Really? You think you can’t detect ink that was added onto the surface of a card?
@@BRIANCARRUTHERS psa and Beckett passed then off! There's nothing else after the ink Step, no sealant
Great video thanks for the knowledge. I know it willie help a lot of sports card collectors.
I dont even buy a 25 dollar card in a psa slab without gping on psa website and looking it up. I couldn't imagine someone not checking before spending big money without one checking the cert number. Two then looking at the PSA card on the site for any flaws on the edges or corners then comparing it to the card you are about to buy. I've been collecting for 35 yrs I can spot a fake label and card a mile away it doesn't matter how good the slab it or the card. I can always tell even in a picture
People - for heaven's sake ...INVEST in a loupe.....and have a sample of vintage cards with you. Get to know the printing patterns of that vintage card with THE loupe. That would be a good start........It's extremely difficult to forge the printing patterns...
Sellers trying to sell outside of ebay are not always scammers. You said it yourself, ebay will always side with the buyer, plus the seller has to pay fees. So why would anyone want to sell in ebay if they can do a legit sale outside of ebay? Paypal goods and services.
another great video!
Thanks, brother!
Let's go, my favorite og drunk streamer is back
😂 The good ole days!
Jeezus man I live in CO too 😳😬
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Good morning I see you got your PSA name back.
eBay is safe but the fees are honestly ridiculous! They are a necessity though..but no one likes corporate greed and if I'm being honest..that's what they are..they aren't fair on their charges..you are paying an outrageous premium but you do get a wide audience
eBay fees are a pain in the butt, I agree, however for the level of security and eyeballs I feel like it's worth it in the long run. It's kind of a "it is what it is" scenario. Until we get another auction site that competes with eBay.
Their is always gonna be scammers
Unfortunately, scammers will scam.
I'm not showing you guys how to fake it. While I am showing you how to fake it!🤣
😂 I tried to show the basics and not too much detail
I have one of the fakes of these. They are pretty easy to spot if you know what to look for. First big giveaway is the fleer logo and the text on the front of the card. There are quite a few websites that break down what to look for so you dont get scammed. Anybody who got scammed over this didnt do their homework at all.
$4500 would be more like the going rate for a SEVEN!!
I’ve seen those plastic empty cases for sale, on top of that they can be manufactured if you know what your doing.
Wow this is crazy!
82 years old, greed...crazy
That’s why I grade with rare edition their slabs are different. Everyone uses the same slab just another label
I’ve got 2 86 fleer rookie “facsimile” cards for decor on my wall they were on Etsy and so incredibly similar that I ended up writing fake on the back so the Fed’s don’t take me to Guantanamo kol
When did he switch back to PSA collector?
About, 2 -3 or maybe 5 weeks ago?
You are only showing the newer slabs. You should also mention the older slabs that didn't have the lighthouse label. There are many Jordans out there still with the old PSA holographic label on back. What do you think about those ?
You're right, I didn't even mention the old labels that have no holographic, mirror or lighthouse. Those should be looked into even more before buying.
@@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR does it cost much to send an old label card back to get the newer label?
THKS
PSA needs to add a watermark code or something to unlock the photos they have of the cards. I think it's not good having the photo for everyone to see as well.
Good to see you back, yet another name change?
Michael Jordan Fleer rookie cards were being counterfeited in the early 90*s and even Card Shops were selling them! Buyer beware!
Could be an inside guy at PSA or a PSA Supplier that provided the PSA slabs and PSA labels to the perp. If that happened then this story could get a lot more interesting.
the're less than $1ea from China. no need for inside job.
@@jameswestley yeah but those China slabs don’t have the PSA logo embossed on them. That would be a copyright infringement. The perp used a PSA slab so it was either a molded plastic fake or an actual PSA slab that he sourced.
You think China gives a fuck about US copyright infringement? They will make you a PSA holder with Trump's xoxk laser engraved if you pay for it.
He also traded fake MJ's for authentic Brady's!! Messed up!!! He should give the people their money back!
I agree, everything should be returned. I hope he still has the cards to give back though! If not then he needs to give the cash value.
Good vid
“Facing up 20 years in prison”….. wtf does an 82 year old man care anyways lmao 😂
Unless you check cards phyisically, you never know if they are real or not. Some scammers don't even need to print actuall fake ones. What they need to do is just to Photoshop the image that they put up which is extremely easy as well. In that way it's easy to duplicate silver foil or anykind of special printing finish.
It's almost impossible to kick out scammers as long as checking the image on the screen is the only way to tell whether it's real or not.
A demand for using trustworthy third party like PWCC(at least from an authentic perspective) might goes up. It's all about believing the system and trusting the sellers.
Ultimately, it's a gamble.
I hate scammers!!!!
PSA I'm still mowing lawns...
😆 glad to hear that, brother! You should have a stack of money by now!!
Thieves will find away, so sad. I just got into the card collecting game.
They will eventually imbed micro chips in the slabs
20 years is appropriate.... IMO
👀 damn, giving grandpa the max! Ruthless lol
I got this Jordan it's a fake but it says REPRINT on the back with no Fleer logo. But all my other are real because I made my money from my card trades as a younin. Kept them in perfect shape due to seeing my father's Jerry West Wilt Monroe Alcindor he had wrinkled and taped on his wall 😢
PSA's cert lookup is a joke. We need real high res pictures from PSA on EVERY graded card. Not just the expensive ones. Just verifying a cert is NOT enough and can easily be cloned.
To the tune of!! Lol 😂
almost makes linking cards to the blockchain more enticing
Interesting.. I bet they eventually come up with something for the block chain. Who knows when though?
That's sad I'm glad my card is official great condition u can also see the white around bulls eye Hertiage here I come
Should have ran for president instead
Wow crazy sh.. mydude
I’ve used eBay for a while as well and they return all money back if you keep it real or anything you buy whether you lost it you never received it your they’ll return the money part of the merchandise is good keep it I believe in one piece is it from my car on eBay wheels and everything
Good Job Mr. Mayo i guess he was an Honest Man his Entire Life, a Hard Worker and his Pension is Probably Low... Folks do such stuff out of Fear, Existential Fear when they dont know what they gon" Eat the next Day & Survive!!! Also these so called Victims they have themselves to Blame because they did this out of Greed too.... youre Welcome.... so a Fraudster can not Cheat on a Fraudster! Mark these Words... those Guys have Big Money as well even if its 5k for Freakin Paper/Cardstock lmfao who got 5k for a Card ??? he got Surely more Left on his Bank Account....
Hey Aquamatt would you have wanted to see 👀 Daddy Yankee in concert last year when he was in your are? I was going to have him give you a pair of tickets! Would you and the Wife went to the show?
they do this in coins to you got to be careful and check your holders fakes are getting better
Hi I'm in my position Michael Jordan pipen magic Johnson and to many original sports cards 1979 and 1980 in my position for more de 20 anos the real original cards and great condition can you help me out to fine buyers.
It’s not always fake it could be an older label…
New way of scam on ebay I seen other day was a 2000 fleet autographics tom Brady gold 35/50 seller was selling it with empty box it supposedly came from but I found a graded sale of same card i asked seller if he pulled and had it been graded he said he pulled it and never been graded i tried to be high bidder because i knew it was fake but i was working and someone got screwed out of 6500
can you tell a real one from a fake one
Your information is incorrect. The fake Jordans that Mayo sold were slabs that were real with real labels. The cases itself were frosted so basically they were pried open and then a fake one was inserted or replaced and then resealed.
Slabs purchased from suppliers on Alibaba will not put the PSA logo on the corners. They will make a mold of your company for an extra price but not PSA. They know who PSA are. However, you can easily laser etch PSA on the corners if you know what you're doing.
Haha china will make whatever to ou want on the slab for a sale
If you are going to steal at least make the $1 Million Club.
Keep in mind though, PSA labels look nothing like the new ones and they are still legit.
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well, good thing is he's prob gonna kick the bucket soon
He doesn't have 20 years left.
👀 I know, kinda makes me feel sympathy for this old man.. but, I mean, he chose his path. Who knows what kinda boat he was in though.
Don't think that's a fake slab looks like the other guy provided the old man with REAL slabs and he just inserted fake MJ RC cards in them🧐
Talk about red flag. Alibaba and the 40 thieves
Nothing wrong with hiding your identity you don’t want people thinking you got money or other collector cards and come rob you.
Honestly I don't care one bit. Already rich companies are making millions off of gambling addictions and celebrity worship. These are just pieces of cardboard and as you can see anyone can make it. It's not made from rare materials, it's not some fantastic art, you can't eat it, you can't build anything with it, it's just an image printed onto some paper. This is all crazy, and sports cards and trading cards are such a waste! If there was a game behind it that has some value but even then it's still just paper that some company printed and said this is rare. We have put way too much value into this stuff and it needs to die already.
Holographic label 🏷
The real forgers can even fake those 👀
@@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR I can work through that. Which I have. You haven't answered my question about Daddy Yankee. Is everything okay at home? Brother you look 👀 lost. Just a friend who is concerned. That's all.
Nobody forces people to buy or trade… just saying sometimes hard to get mad cause people are dumb. Not saying he wasn’t wrong and I don’t condone it but at what point do we stop holding peoples hands.
82 years old lol
To begin with the 86 Fleer Jordan is way overpriced
Heh, playing with fire (potentially literally - hell) scamming people at age 82. Any jail sentence at all is a death sentence. Scumbag though. I *never* feel sympathetic because someone is older, who cares about that.
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