Collector's Nightmare: $34k Michael Jordan Rookie Card with Fake Signature? More Potential Fakes?!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ส.ค. 2023
- Collector's Nightmare: $34k Michael Jordan Rookie Card with Fake Signature? More Potential Fakes?!
Ed had purchased a 1986 Michael Jordan rookie card from PWCC on April 2023. He bought the card through the PWCC auction house along with documentation that showed the card was authentic and certified by a firm called PSA/DNA. It was graded authentic with an autograph grade of 9.
After receiving the card, Ed sent it off to that same grading company (PSA). They later sent him letter, informing him the signature was fake.
The auction house ultimately decided to refund Ed the $34,200 he paid for the card.
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Good going PWCC ! Giving a customer the run around until a journalist is put on the case then you have the audacity to claim customer service is your priority. You should be ashamed of yourself. If I was conducting business with them, I'd be done.
Local journalists are heros
PWCC? The company that got banned from Ebay for shill bidding? I'm shocked they didn't want to make things right with him until someone investigated.
PWCC is pure scum
@@kidrobot.Sarcasm much?
@@kidrobot.This issue is that the original poster was being "sarcastic" with his reply. Him being "shocked" was a joke.
@@kidrobot.that 747 flying over your head is the sarcasm you missed 😂
Even worse, a bunch of nice Jordan rookies are ruined by fake signatures. 😮😮😢😢
Ikr? 😢 :( i dont even collect sports cards, but that card is iconic
If PSA is just deactivating cards they graded and slabbed as legit autos they should fkn pay for the mistake and buy the cards back
I bet he cracked it out and resubmitted. If he had submitted in the slab for a re-grade, they probably would have slabbed it to save face. This scandal is going to cost them hundreds of thousands. I’m not surprised because the sports card industry is full of scammers these days. I read thousands of posts exposing trimmed and restored cards that got slabbed on a forum. Sometimes the same card went from a 4 to a 10. It was fascinating.
@@MoneyManHolmeswhere do you read about it?
Search for blowout directory of trimmed cards.
@jimmyiKoN You have a child’s outlook on life if this is what you expect to happen. Even saying this show’s how naive you are. Although you are not wrong and it should happen, I hope you know it will never happen.
Nobody should use them for grading
It's like you can't buy a $34,000 piece of cardboard anymore. I mean, it's covered in a plastic cover and everything! The world has gone crazy.
I know right crazy
It even had made up numbers on a website that people could activate and deactivate. What’s real anymore!? Should have bought the NFT version of this card! That’s real!!!
In 10 years it would be worth 10 times that, if it were real
@@user-sz2ri2yb3p which shows how crazy this hobby is
~I remember when i told a friend's family that Pokemon cards would be worth as much as BAseball cards, and that they would be `high priced, and she laughed at me. They were a sport's family, so the thought of Pokemon cards being as expensive as BAseball cards as laughable..
Fast forward to now....
This is why I don't buy stuff online like this if I want to get something signed personally I will make the effort to go and meet that person
WFLA is a great organization, they really help us tiny locals have a voice against the big guys. Glad they're helping him too.
Whoever has 34k to spend on a paper card is obviously not a “little guy” hurting for money.
Great video. Typical of PWCC -- they will not engage in customer service UNLESS the news or a big social media influencer contacts them.
That’s the power of the Press. Protect the public from unethical business.
Wow pea or pwcc needs to be closed down and sued them
PSA is always iffy. I submitted a card long ago and they said I trimmed it, I did no such thing. It went from pack to top loader. A friend of mine got a Nolan Ryan auto on a 90 Topps 5k card and they said the auto was fake even though he got it in person. That shit is infuriating.
Name one grading company that isn't.
Becketts looks more reputable
@@Rooter4Life You're joking right? Check how many fake 90s inserts/parallels were slabbed by them. If they're so good, why are they losing customers?
I doubt psa said you specifically trimmed it. They probably said the card was trimmed. Right? Im sure you didnt do it if you said you didnt but Im sure you could buy one and not know it
Did they say the auto was fake or unable to authenticate? If they dont want to stand by it then so be it. I would rather them reject an auto if they arent sure rather than side with customer that says they got it in person. Thats not unreasonable. Sure it can be frustrating but they also aren't the end all be all anyway. I have gone through similar authentication issues with other products. Its tough when you know more about the item than they do but they still wont authenticate it
6:15 Quick correction, PSA has graded over 23K Michael Jordan rookie cards while PSA/DNA has graded 65 MJ autographed rookies. Those autos on his RC are definitely in some Rare Air.
Not that PWCC would have done anything differently beforehand,their reputation is well known, but IIRC right around the time that Ed was dealing with them over this problem was around the time that Fanatics bought them out or soon after. Its great to see that Ed got made whole on this before that happened and hats off to Shannon for getting it done.
This is why knowledge is power. Do your homework when you want or buy anything
Awesome News reporter lady She a Hero for Helping a Collectors out God Bless Her & Shamed on PWCC for Not responding To it Customer they deserve the walk of Shamed
Another reason I never trust PWCC.
Most underrated sports card content on TH-cam. Give this man more subs!!!
Thank you I appreciate it! Means a lot!
Shill comments are a thing now
Good video.
Another thing that needs some attention. These cards also had Upper Deck authentication stickers on them. The mass deactivation could be related to the UDA stickers also being fake, although it's interesting to see a couple from this group are still active.
PWCC, ignores him at first, but it changed there approach when it was on the news. If i were Ed, I'll file a case against PWCC, so that they will do there job with utmost responsibility.
PWCC is the worst.
top notch quality
i would start the vid with more of your content and have the news snippets clip in and out :)
Its like any company that takes your money. They dont want to give it back by any means even against their own policy. So you have to make a huge fuss over it. Insurance companies come to mind
Stopped grading from PSA after a year of membership. The graders are iffy, and I did my own experiment found they're not reliable anymore. One card I cracked three times got three different grades.
Well made video, keep it up
PSA should have given Ed the money. They authenticated it initially. If PSA isn't going to stand behind their authentication what good are they?
Love the statement PWCC put out, uhh yeah no you DID NOT!
The lengths scammers go to to make a buck...
So after you pay money to have your card authenticated, at any point PSA can deactivate your card and then you are out even more money? What a joke
There are many many fake autographs in the sports memorabilia market!
Amazing forensic work!!
Great video. Keep going brother!
Funny, I was just talking about this issue with my son. Not Jordan cards specifically, but trading cards in general and the risks involved.
Grading is just blind trust now.
Why would anyone in their right mind deal with a company that rampantly shill bids and knowingly sells altered cards that reside in numbered PSA Holders? Do your homework, people!
what does altered cards mean and why would someone want to alter it?
Hey J! Great video! New subscriber here! Thank you for sharing the love of collecting!
I find it extraordinary someone had genuine rookie cards, valuable in their own right and destroyed them with fake signatures.
Great channel! I've subbed ❤
This is an amazing video! Keep up the great work
Thank you I appreciate it! Means a lot!
and this is why PSA and Beckett grades aren't worth a damn anymore. They have made numerous mistakes over the years. I have seen GMNT 10s with off centering and corner damage. Grading companies are not what they used to be
Does he know that Upperdeck store sells this with the signature for $15k ? lol
Nice Video you should forward this to Sports Card Radio they will mention it on their live streams tomorrow. great info for the general public of collectors.
I would think that if you purchase a slabbed card and remove it from the slab, that would void any refund. Glad this guy got his money back.
AGREED !!! how does PWCC even know they got the same card back. He coulda cracked it out and switched the cards. IMO guy should not have gotten his money back.
Dude was playing with fire cracking that out of the slab. He was very lucky to get any money back.
100% agree. I feel like he is partly liable. PWCC and most likely seller did nothing wrong.
@@gametimegallery7661 he was playing with fire in so many ways. Unless the card grades high, I am not sure the card grade would have added much value to the card. It looked maybe about psa 5. I don't follow the card that much, but a psa 5 auto 9 hoping to fetch more than 34k? that alone is a risk.
PSA is a joke is what is comes down to. Their grading is lenient, and if they've done this with the Jordan cards, just think how many others might be invalid via their signature grading service.
He paid $34, 300 for carboard paper ....wonder what he pays for gold?? 😂😂😂
That cardboard paper has increased in value more than any tangible product on the planet over the past 10 years. I guess you don't like money.
They need to give up on signature authentication.... of course if they do someone else will take their place in that market and that money
This Gal is a hero in my book!
PSA should cover his loss since they graded the card and they’re experts
You mean "experts," right?
"it ruined my weekend" ... awww poor richie rich
You can’t even trust authentication services, I see so many fakes out there that were authenticated by these same companies
They have idiots and minimum wage workers like every company grading this shit too.
You're right. WAY more fake autos out there than anyone wants to admit -- both raw and in slabs. I stopped collecting autos years ago after getting duped on some Mantles and Dimaggios by the Operation Bullpen guys. I keep them as a reminder of the seedy underbelly of the hobby.
PSA going to have to stop the inconsistency. They let the big customers slide and crack down on the little customers
Great video
Here’s my thing. After 100 years how can you really tell if a signature is fake or not if it hits all the points ?
I would imagine at least some if not all of those other cards they removed or deactivated at the same time as this one have been sold and are probably sitting in collections. So at some point in the future won’t those owners find this out say if they go to sell it and those folks are just out tens of thousands of dollars if for instance they bought it at a card show? Does PSA cover the cost of a card they initially passed as authentic and then later decide to deactivate without the owner submitting the card to them for inspection for some reason?
Exactly what I wondered. All good questions that deserve being answered by the grading/authentication company themselves. Especially since they started with the runaround and only came to resolution after threat of negative publicity. Seems super shady and just another example of where there’s money to be made, it will attract scammers. Be safe out there people!
Certificate of authenticity. Dude everybody knows that. Damn boy
You can deactivate serial numbers from PSA? How the heck does that work?? I usually use the serial number search bar when checking the authenticity of slabbed cards, do they deactivate them if theyre broken-open?
If he weren’t so nice, a litigation would be in process
first red flag for me was when he "sent the card in the mail" -_- could have been intercepted by someone and replaced easily i am sure especially if someone knew what it was and this dude had it and was sending it out. did he tell anyone?
If you’re vacuous enough to spend that kind of cash without any research or background check, in my opinion you deserve to lose your money, fair game at that point. He’s lucky
Research or background check? What exactly does that mean in this situation? Please enlighten me genius.
Pwcc shouldn’t have to cover anything but it’s nice if they did. PSA should of covered it. Unless PWCC listed the card when it wasn’t in the data base.
On this topic, the PWCC listing from the news story noted the card was "reviewed by PSA".
If correct, it sounds like someone already suspected a problem and PWCC/PSA didn't agree, until the card was sold.
I agree. PSA graded and said it was real.
I also think this guy, the buyer, is partly to blame. He took the risk of resubmitting it. If he wouldn’t have done that he still had an authentic auto.
They do because they're the one's that "received" the payment though PSA also have something to pay to PWCC.
@@BenHoltenFilms ya that answer makes you sound like a scumbag.
PWCC!?? No way!!😮😮😮 lmao anyone who buys from them deserves it.
how the hell can they deactivate the other cards without physically looking at them? lmao
I have an 86 jordan in a PSA 8. I personally don’t want signed rookie cards unless they’re coming out of the package that way. If I want a signature of someone I would rather have a framed jersey.
They come fake out the package as well
@@whitecastle3032 sad but true
There are fake unopened packs and sealed boxes in-addition to fake cards. Even the professionals could be fooled by them, that's how bad the market is.
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Collectable grading is a big scam and only came into popularity because of the scamers on ebay ... I had 2 of the Jordan rookie cards that i bought as a kid i sold one in the mid 90s for $400... And held on to the other thinking it would go up but i refused to send a card like that in the mail to get graded...so i sold the other one a few years ago for another $400.. so f ebay cost me $500 to $600 :(
No doubt someone at PSA is helping a Buddy get these slabbed as Authentic.
Crazy and unacceptable.
dam they better have gotten a refund from the guy who listed it on pwcc, this is PSA's fault though
I read that his husband went ballistic that he bought the card in the first place.
I bought 2 m.j rookie cards when I was a kid. 1st one was stolen by my supposed friend the 1st year I had it. So, a couple years later I bought the 2nd m.j rookie card. Both were less then $200 each in the early 90s. The 2nd card was stolen by my sisters boyfriend 2weeks after I showed him how much it was worth in 1995. The card kept going up in price after 1995 that as a young kid I just never got up the money to get a 3rd m.j rookie card. I look back at the people who stole each card. And I can't help but really hate no good people who took each one. God never punished them and no law never done sh.t about it. As a young child who mowed grass, cleaned busses, and saved his lunch money to buy each card. I learned I never wanted anything ever again, so nobody could take it. I haven't and never will forgive those 2 people in my life. Especially considering they made me to never want anything ever again so nobody could steal from me. Sad, because as a kid, I shouldn't have had to grow up and be like this.
All added to the Tiffany Cards - Altered Card Database of over 6.5K altered, fake, mislabeled and stolen cards.
Grading is just another scam in itself. Any real collector knows what grade a card is by looking at it. As for autographs the supposed experts at grading companies get fooled just as much as collectors do. If someone is gonna invest thousands into a card they shouldn't be bying it on the internet anyway. If you have that much to spend on a card you need to physically go to where it is and see it firsthand before buying it.
Wouldn't PSA have to pay out in this case? They incorrectly authenticated cards and just de-activated them after the fact
Why would they be charged for someone who used their name without consent ?
@@notveryobviousguy4373 From what I can tell in the video, these were authenticated and slabbed by PSA. There's no mention of someone making fake PSA slabs
Im sure its in the fine print that they can do so
@@notveryobviousguy4373 But that's not the case if it was in their system as graded, and then they deactivated those card grades.
So who cracked it out of the slab? The buyer or PSA? If the buyer cracked it out, then that changes all of this compared to PSA cracking it out
Why? That doesn't change the authenticity of the autograph. It was still a fake.
yea pwcc took it so seriously but never reached back to the guy....what a joke of a statement
Well someone at psa was getting a kick back how are you going to get all the same rare desirable card back to back especially with that man's auto
Its a shame MJ couldnt legit sign 1 for him. I mean, I love MJ but he doesn't do that kinda shit for free, not even if youre another celebrity. Charging celebs 5k for pics/autos lol. But hes still my idol. I mean, He's the most confident man to ever walk the face of the earth, he knows he was the best and he knows everyone wants to be him and meet him and whatnot. The shittiest thing is, these MJ rookie cards are being ruined with fake autos. I mean, without the auto, any decent graded one is worth thousands of dollars! But it's basically got a forger's handwriting so, that devalues it.
That original slab looks fake at first. Even if the certificate number is real it could be printed easily.
Yep definitely dodgy stuff going on there. These companies can do what they want and "authorise" them
They only responded when this went to the media
So I’m not a sports card guy but I am in the TCG scene, PWCC has recently been listing “10s” for sale, literally labeled PSA 10 yet the cards have significantttttt wear, like to the point where it would turn the card into a 7-8. And these aren’t like $500-$1000 cards, these were like the grail high end cards, DDS Dark Magician, DDS Blue Eyes…I don’t know how these cards got 10 at all
oh man good luck finding a sports person knowing what a dark magician is lol...i used to be in the tcg scene as a kid...know nothing about grading...and now know even less...so legit companies are grading bs? its horribly confusing sry...gl def try to get some second opinions ...ik those cards are og and alot
Psa always fails high end player autos like jordan Kobe James etc
Where’s my Michael Jordan at? He should give him another rookie card autograph
Youve got to be nuts to buy sports memorabilia. The field is loaded with crooks.
Autos shouldn’t be authenticated unless they are witnessed IMO.
This guy cracked the card out of the PSA slab himself basically nullifying the buy back guarantee PSA offers. He rolled the dice, lost and went crying to get his money back from an imprudent decision. It’s one thing to do this on a $100 card. It’s silly to do this on a $34K investment.
I feel like he should have sent it in the slab.
PSA doing what PSA does, covering up their mistakes. They shouldn’t certify anything they’re not absolutely certain of.
Use other reputable graders that won’t risk tens of thousands of your dollars.
What do you expect when a piece of cardboard is worth 10's of thousands of dollars?
PWCC is owned by Fanatics now.
PSA grades reprints as well. Look up Stephen Curry PSA 10 fake.
It’s about money. PSA PWCC, they will make the cash. Trust NO ONE
Why would you not check the serial number in advance?
This video here is amazing. Oh my God.
the question is why would you buy a card with a signature that was added later on and it was not part of the official initial card auto release? you are just asking for trouble here.
lol and the dudes are scumbags for trying to sweep it under the rug until they got called out. What a way to get boned out of 35,000 dollars.
I have 3 in person signed Jordan cards. I will never sell them.
Would a Michael Jordan signature in 2023 on a rookie card reduce its value? Does the year it was signed matter?
No it doesn't matter when he signed it. It only increases the value. But MJ's signatures rights are upper decks. So there are not any new autos from him.
IMO, this dude got greedy. The card was already slabbed with a PSA 9! What else did he want?! Did he think PSA was suddenly gonna upgrade him to a 10? C'mon, dude. He was already a winner in my book. In his defense, PSA is not free of sin. They're dicks when it comes to explaining why a card can't be graded. I've had cards come back with bullshit explanations. I recently submitted a Tim Duncan Topps certified auto card and these PSA clowns returned it stating that the card didn't meet their measurement standards. The card wasn't altered I knew this for a fact. So I sent it to Beckett and it came back a 9, which is what I originally expected from PSA. They're not as dependable as the once were. In closing, I NEVER buy any auto cards that aren't certified by the card company. Anything else is sketch at best,
the auto was a 9 and the card's grade is authentic (i.e. no grade)... a common trick to easily increase the value of your low grade autos
PSA knows exactly who sent those cards in originally. They probably knew the submitter was a known forger and didn’t do anything about it until the attention. Those cert numbers go back many years and I’m sure PSA is very familiar with who the forger is. It’s a small Hobby.
Thats why you dont buy autos on line as authentic.
Pwcc probably put one of his stickers on it to
There are fake jordan rookies graded as well
Good going that's wrong on things