Suggestion; do Korean Air flight 858, a 707 bound for Seoul, which took off from Baghdad, to Abu Dhabi, continuing on to Bangkok, and finally to Seoul. The aircraft exploded not far from Bangkok, killing all 115 on board. The aircraft was bombed by two North Korean agents.
@@d0wnboy You want proof? Open your eyes and ears! How else could you possibly explain patching these old planes together, and not facing the ultimate outcome? As a society, we're doing the exact same thing regarding infrastructure and climate change. How long before we "lose a wing"? Hard to say exactly, but we will lose a wing!
The acting and production on these is really good. Thank you for making these. They feel like a homage to those who’ve died and a warning of the dangers. Something we need to pay attention to.
When I was in the USAF, I learned of inspections that are mandatory to be done so many flight hours, my main question is who was doing these inspections on the plane and why was this not caught by FAA certified inspectors? Someone had to sign off on the aircraft's inspections. Something like this should not occur and there is more than just an airlines mechanic to blame.
Small airlines can have some pretty sketchy maintenance programs, mostly driven by pushy managers and done by new mechanics afraid to make waves. Source: am aircraft mechanic.
I swear, most of these air crashes result from budget cuts, which quickly leads to poor maintenance. Owners need to realize if they cant afford to maintain their planes properly, then they cant afford to operate the airline. But greedy CEOs' just keep gambling with peoples lives, just to make money.
A lot of CEOs are psychopaths. And one of the hallmarks of psychopathy is total indifference to putting other people's lives at risk. So the airline industry is one the needs strict and vigilant regulation and monitoring. Doesnt matter how good the pilots are, if the planes aren't maintained properly. I just saw a video about an entire Alaska airlines jumbo jet going down near Los Angeles in the 2000s, because of improper maintenance on the tail rudder. The pilots tried their best to save the plane, but there was nothing they could do. CEOs need to go to prison when stuff like this happens
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I remember chalks airway in the early 60s they were going great guns and flew the Grumman goose. such a sad ending for an airline that had been in business for so long rip for those lost in that terrible crash.
It shakes my heart after realizing how recent this was. I would've thought this happened in the 90s, but turns out this was a few months before Torino 2006
lol some CSI user interface in this episode @24:00. I love the idea that the NTSB would have someone come in and code a program on a touchscreen just to display the possible causes of any given accident on a big screen so that a guy can walk up, nod thoughtfully, and press the one they just eliminated. Instead of just using a whiteboard.
Diallo Gazali - If they had spent their money on the homeless people living in tents... that filthy rich, couple would still be alive today. Now let's talk about planet, Earth. If they don't stop with their war games... humanity will die, like the Romans died.
May I respectfully disagree ? A 100% negligence fsult implies it was 100% preventable + forseeable, by proper prior human intervention. Not so. These ancient & unique small passenger seaplanes were aging S L O W L Y in an irreverseable fashion with NO available spares. The practice of stretching their finite lifespan had reached its breaking point, quite literally. But no single person would have been likely to have forseen the massive wing structural faikure. Unless you could show repeated attempts by pilots who heard bizzare noises AND a management / owners who KNEW it portended this & covered it up. THAT would be Willfull Negligence. What this was was benign negligence of a 51 / 49 split. Even the FAA inspector missed it.
@@psalm2forliberty577 One thing that really bugs me about this is that there actually were two suppliers of spare parts for this aircraft, one in Detroit and another in LA, of course both companies have since gone out of business BUT at the time they existed and the airline could've easily gotten those parts. Yes, it would've costed them some money, but the safety of your passengers and crew is more important (at least, that's how I look at it)
Went to the Bimini seaplane base in 2019 and took a picture of where this plane was exactly parked. Sucks what happend, the grumman mallard is a amazing looking plane
There are ways these repairs should be done and Chalk's clearly wasn't doing what they should have. These old birds are just as safe as modern birds as long as you bloody maintain them properly
Clearly the repairs were not done correctly. There needs to be more oversight and involvement from the manufacturer and the governing body. But there is a cold hard fact that the aluminum like many other metals has a life span. We need to know more about when it is time to say this bird is retired.
@@peterolsen269 I pointed out that the repairs were not carried out correctly in the original comment. The metal itself doesn’t have a lifespan, what has a lifespan is the structural integrity of the component (which is compromised by extensive use). In theory if you are diligent about replacing components as they require replacement, an aircraft could fly safely until the end of time.
@@silaskuemmerle2505 Metal, esp aluminum most definately has a life span. Please, do not pass on information as fact, unless you know it to be true. Work Hardening. Age Hardening. Many things can take place. I will respect your opinion once you admit that you do not know everthing.
" bloody" ? They are simply greedy CEOs coveting more and more mm oney vs daily! I do not believe that the big shots care...they no doubt gamble and expect that there will often be casualties and I'm DO it NOT CARE!
I can't even imagine the terror those poor passengers must've felt before they hit the water. There was a video of this plane flying into the ocean, shown on the news.
Once i knew the plane was made in 1947, thats all i needed to know. A 50yr old plane has probably outlived its engineering lifespan. Its criminal to think you can patch up such a thing forever.
@@delta-theoryarizona4256 ehhhh I mean museums have older planes that they still fly. There are some museums that fly all of their planes regardless of age or value. They can always be kept up maintaince wise and if something goes bad that isn't made anymore it can be custom made fairly easy nowadays. I do get where you are coming from though for sure. Also a lot of bush pilots use older planes because of the fact that they were overbuilt and can take a beating. Which would be a better argument since museums aren't doing regular flights with paying customers. But again I do get it and I myself would rather fly a new plane too.
@@TheFrogInYourClosetWatchingYou I agree. Not to mention their is no maintenance for metal fatigue of that age & it's beyond repair in some cases in my opinion
As long as new parts are being made and people take very good care of it, you definitely can. If you paid attention, lack of maintenance and parts caused the disaster. You can always weld patches of metal, swap components, replace sections, etc. However, nothing is made to last forever on its own and without maintenance, even a modern plane would go down in a couple of years.
This was a business making little money, it isn't a tax payers funded miltary where money is no object and parts can be replaced and upgraded and then the plane can sit unused and eventually get scrapped. There's a ton more maintained done on these planes that the average Joe commenting on here, that gets in a car without so much checking the tires or looking underneath, they just turn the key and go, usually ignoring to road signs, breaking speed limits etc etc. That's why it's still safer to catch a 70 year old place than it is to drive to the airport. Airplane accidents are extremely rare and ones where people die are rarer. Yet car accidents and deaths happen every hour of the day in just a single state
When I first saw this I figured the most likely explanation was naked corruption, something that Florida is rather famous for and the Bahamas aren't far behind. An inspector quietly paid to look the other way on inspections, a loophole introduced custom-made for Chalks, to allow a venerable but dying airline to keep flying long, long past the point of safety, and to protect that Miami businessman's investment. While I still think that is possible, the most likely explanation was simple bureaucratic inertia. Chalks had a *Reputation*, it was a tiny outfit, and FAA man-hours are very limited, so they let them skate to deal with bigger and more urgent problems. Add that loophole on top of that. And that worked... until it didn't, and 20 people died. Then suddenly, Chalks WAS the urgent problem, and its fall was inevitable.
@@batesvillbilly368 wtf is wrong with you?? Sexist much?? For one thing, the pilot didn't even look like the actress. I don't think they even showed an actual picture of her here. Second - it wasn't either of the pilot's fault. It was a maintenance/mechanic issue. Now go crawl back under the rock you crawled out from under, Mr. Misogyny.
But think about all the money that was made by not repairing these planes or maintaining them. Greed is always the culprit. Hopefully, the lawsuits swallowed up all the blood money made due to this intentional negligence.
I only watch the full episodes of these. Love them. Really wish more were available on here, though! I think I might have seen all of the full Mayday airplane episodes by now, here and on the other couple of channels. 😭
I used to fly often in a Grumman Goose in the Aleutian Islands when I was a Bering Sea crabber, back in the hay days and once we were leaving Akutan Island and had picked up a native from the tiny village. As we drove into the water and the water was running over the windows, as we picked up speed the aircraft started to come out of the water and eventually was airborne. The woman turned to another native and said: "Oh, this thing flies?" SMH. Long story, but funny at the time.
The Grumman was NOT a "twin turboprop" design, it was a twin radial engine design, refitted with turboprops on an aging airframe that was never designed for them.
I’ve gotta be honest, you have to REALLY want to fly to book a flight on that aircraft. Geez!!! I’m scared just watching this as I rest in my bed!!!😮😮😮😮
I flew on it when I was younger, it's was actually a very rewarding experience. The pilot mentioned why people flew chalks in the beginning. Bimini is two islands. The north and south island. Everyone lives on the north island. The south island is mostly uninhabited wilderness but has the land based airport. Chalks landed in the Cay and cruised right up on its small hanger on the north island. To get to the airport on the south island you have to wait for a ferry, take the ferry ride over, then take a shuttle to the airport which can add an hour or more to travel time and you still have to go through customs. From Bimini to Fort lauderdale you're only in the air for ~30 minutes so it did not make sense to have a long day based around an international that would take less than 2 hours or so to complete from leaving your home.
The NTSB. An agency to be proud of. I know it’s simply due all commercial passenger accidents requiring an investigation, but the fact that they even do investigations involving a rare, ancient model probably flying less than 1,000 passengers per year is great.
So sad 😞 I used to commute to work every workday on a Frakes Turbo Mallard from Virgin Islands Seaplane Shuttle back in the 80s between San Juan Puerto Rico to the Virgin Islands. They had been refurbished to almost new condition. Unfortunately some were lost on a hurricane. They were beautiful awesome machines!
As per my comment above, I was in the USAF as an aircraft mechanic. Every aircraft has specs of minimum thickness allowable on surfaces, as well as what cracks are allowed to be repaired and what mandates a replacement of a part or retire an aircraft. These measurements are suppose to be done during maintenance which clearly was not done. I for certain know that pop rivets are not allowed to be used on aircraft. Center wing boxes are lined with many structural attach points with very large bolts and nuts which are coated and sealed. This area is suppose to be inspected frequently, cracks are not allowed to be in this area period. Again there are more than just one or two people to blame for allowing this aircraft to fly in the condition it was in.
@@stedmans4christ No you won't, because you are not trained to inspect *any* aircraft plus they wouldn't let you do it anyway. Trust me, I'd love to inspect the aircraft that I board, but I know they won't let me just walk around the outside and check every nook and cranny (and yes, I do have some training and experience in airline maintenance)
@@petrovichbauer5105 no, the pictures shown are of real people, about which this reenactment was made. When they showed the ACTION in a cockpit - that were actors. Pictures or documents shown - are genuine.
So this airline got away with allowing passengers to fly in deathtraps for a long time! Pilots leaving because they don't think the planes are safe, and the FAA gives the airline a clean bill of health anyway. Did money change hands to facilitate that? The disregard for crew and passenger safety is staggering!
@Jaylen Jackson the "actual footage' they use in this documentary is a CGI recreation. The original footage had different waves and seagulls flying in the foreground. I don't get why they just show the original
@Jaylen Jackson yeah I can't find a good copy of it except a short CNN clip. It is so compressed with artifacts along the waves such that it looks "fake" (ok CNN)
Flew on this same plane N2969 that crashed years before.. It was quite an experience taking off from the water. My flight took off from fort Lauderdale airport to bimini and returned .. I believe all airline's have to have non destructive testing to check for structural integrity, does this apply to commuters airlines? Did the faa change the rules as a result of this crash, Maybe someone could weigh in. Sad for the pilots and passenger's,. the didnt have a chance. Great documentry best i seen on this accident.
I live in Fla and you would be amazed how much the salt air causes corrosion on everything. Of course they did very poor maintenance though. Really sad.
Normally planes like that go to an air museum or collector who takes much better care of them. AirVenture Oshkosh (Oshkosh Fly-In) 2021 had a few extra Grumman amphibians this year. The Goose and Albatross are the medium and large cousins of the small Mallard. There was a red, white, and blue Goose and a white Goose up in Warbird Alley, and a family owns an Albatross that gets parked down by Vintage. "Big Blue" used to be a landmark until the southern end of the grounds got extended far enough that it is past the ultralight field.
My family and I used to ride Chalks Airlines religiously up until 2005 when I heard about the plane crashing into the sea. Since I was a kid, that was the premiere choice of flying to Bimini or Nassau. Nestled on the banks of the Port of Miami, you would cross the McArthur Causeway (was a drawbridge in the 90s), and turn right to get to the small airport. I enjoyed it alot as a kid! I lost family who were flying to Nassau in that plane shortly after doing their Christmas shopping. Disasters just don't happen, its a series of critical events that lead up to it.
This is what happens when $ comes before safety!! Who doesn’t make sure something worked when you “fix” it. So sad this should never have happened!! R.I.P to all 20 people whom lost there lives. Really sad and could have been avoided.
I also really enjoy all of your vignettes...they se so realistic and the VA actors are incredible!! Please keep up the entertaining stories and educating us people who know zero about aviation and the potential hazards lurking on passenger planes..everything is superb..thank you again..
Stacks of maintenance records screaming, "unsafe, unsafe; complete replacement needed, etc", given the seal of approval by the FAA Inspector- - - where's the complete and thorough investigation on him and his financial records and history? Anyone else smell a possible bribe? Can an FAA Inspector be that incompetent? If so, makes ya wander how many other aircraft he passed that should NOT have. This video opens my eyes to a whole other aspect of air safety- "how many accidents happened because maintenance records and practices were given the stamp of approval by an inspector when they actually should not have?" We look at the airlines and their responsibility, but what about the FAA & NTSB? Chalks' "flying relics" should have been grounded long before they went out of business, since manufacturer stopped production of this plane and replacement parts decades ago.
I was 6-7 when this accident happened. Just a few months prior my grandfather had taken me fishing out by where Chalks usually taxiied in and flown out. I still remember seeing those big Mallards landing and taking off those two whole days we were out there. I always wanted to fly seaplanes for a living. Something extremely interesting about them. I remember wanting to work for Chalks as a kid, I was devastated they went out of business with this only accident. There are still seaplane operators out there still. Cargo runners and island hoppers. I hope to one day fly along them as I spent all my childhood watching them fly in and fly out. My hope is to be hired as a A&P for the seaplanes so I can help avoid future accidents like this. When I get my commerical flight license, I plan to fly them and pass on all knowledge and experience I get with these big flying beasts. I very much remember seeing this all over the news. It was a scary thing to think about at that time. RIP to all crew and passengers.
I wonder what happened to the owner if he was held responsible or if he was sued by the relatives of the passengers? Usually at the end of the show they explain what happens and who gets reprimanded or blamed or fired. 🤷🏻♂️ The female pilot was absolutely beautiful
Yes relatives can sue and win when in aircraft goes down. Especially if it's cost cutting repairs that caused the crash. It's called a wrongful death lawsuit.
This team did a fantastic job finding the reason for the crash/failure. I have to think is not a good day telling the FFA inspector that he messed up. Sad in the end... it took loss of life to revel what was going on. Its always money as the reason. Again kudos to the investigators, that has to be very daunting without the normal data from most incidents.
Every Record of an event that TERMINATES A LIFE in Aviation is due to a failure of the SYSTEM, not typically the aircraft involved. It is PISS POOR that the FAA (entrusted by the taxpaying, flying public to protect human life by using unsurpassed knowledge and proper enforcement), does not act until a death occurs in an event. If the FAA "inspector" did the job that they were paid and ENTRUSTED to do, the AIRPLANE could have either been taken out of service or properly repaired... and 99.9% likely that NO ONE would have died.
The FAA and the standards that US airplanes are maintained are the world standard so you can just go fly Central African Airline all you want and i will fly US certified airplanes. The FAA cant be everywhere as it seems almost all these accidents reault from the companies trying to save money in one way or another be it by saving time or maintence...ect. Without the FAA the airlime industry would be losing planes often as historically they choose profit over safety anytime they can
@@norml.hugh-mann I agree that American owned are still the safest in the world, but I’d also point out that there are indeed companies that do prioritize safety out there. I fly Cathay Pacific a lot, and they have one of the best safety records in the world, despite being based out of Hong Kong.
Let's give a hand to those lifeguards. They arent trained for that and it was far away. It was brave for them to go after a plane crash in the ocean with nothing but a jet ski. They would've given those people precious seconds that could've saved them if anyone had a chance. Unfortunately they didn't. It says a lot that they kept themselves together and collected bodies for the families. Most people couldn't have done that without training to handle it. Those boys weren't trained to collect dead bodies. Bodies could've been lost without their help. They guaranteed the crash was found as fast as possible. Time to find the crash is why bodies are often lost to the ocean.
Looks like the mechanics are more in control of the plane than the pilots. Pilots are a seating ducks and the passengers died for no fault of their own.
The repairs I’m seeing in this episode wouldn’t be used on a vehicle that remains on land!!! Why a professional aviation mechanic would use a patch AND drill holes in a wing to prevent CRACKS on the wing of an airplane is beyond me!!!
Because that's what the maintenance manual calls for. Stop drilling is used much more often than not for cracks an inch or smaller. Leading edges are the exception.
If it’s done correctly stop drill holes can be safely used to repair cracks in the plane however in this instance because the maintenance engineer had a complete lack of training and did not do a proper repair job it became a huge safety issue
Maybe he wanted to replace the bad spars, but the company wouldn't let or pay him to do so. Mechanic's can only do what's allowable and within reason, fixable. The FAA signed off on it, and pilots agreed to fly it with passengers. Lots of finger pointing to go around, not just one.
The video re-creation of this accident looks eerily similar to a wildfire air tanker accident I saw on the news years ago in Arizona. The plane was a C-130 I believe (if not, then it was an old Navy patrol/cargo plane). It was pulling up out of a fire retardant drop and both wings folded up over its back like a bird landing on a branch. No survivors after that crash either.
They still fly the old P2V5 and 7 series Neptunes. Since they were Navy and flew over the ocean most of the time they had corrosion problems. I have over a thousand hours myself. Those pull outs were two or three G's and those wing roots do fail.
I can't agree with your sympathy for this company that knowingly had poor maintenance practices on planes they knew were getting too old to do proper repairs on. Yes, it was a very cool airplane... in it's time. But when parts are not being made anymore to replace old, broken, ones... it's time to pull the plug BEFORE people die.
@@amydavis4945 Thats not how it works, you can literally make more parts in a machine shop from scratch because the specifications are documented therefore you can keep any old plane in service pretty much for good. Just because the manufacturer isnt making them doesnt mean that they cant be sourced. Lots of older planes are flying and many are safer than newer planes built today. I flew on a 54 year old jet with a commercial airline just 3 years ago.
Chalks was acquired by Resorts International which was owned by Merv Griffin. They had bought and were in the process of restoring Grumman Albatrosses that had been stored in the desert. They flew one to St Augustine to do this work, but it was never completed. I worked for the company that supplied the engine fire detection system on the Albatross so I got to see that operation before it shutdown.
How long ago? Oshkosh Fly-In had a couple extra amphibs this year (2021). The one I saw from fairly close was being restored as a military support plane.
I am addicted to watching these reenactments. I used to fly a lot as a kid and loved it. I quit flying after 911. Not because I was afraid but because I didn't like the strictness they put on the industry. They knew the terrorists were out there but didn't stop them. Instead they made it difficult for anyone wanting to fly. Anyway I know most people don't agree with me. That's just how I
We have a seaplane business here in my hometown, just downriver from Cincinnati . I got inside one of the planes one day while it was docked and felt claustrophobic . I wouldn't go up in one of those things even if I were paid to do it
Tales of the Gold Monkey just flashed through my head. My sheetmetal guys back at the base would be collectively saying WTF. People live and die by your work ethics.
Were you able to figure out why this ocean crash took place?
Broken z-stringer
Suggestion; do Korean Air flight 858, a 707 bound for Seoul, which took off from Baghdad, to Abu Dhabi, continuing on to Bangkok, and finally to Seoul. The aircraft exploded not far from Bangkok, killing all 115 on board. The aircraft was bombed by two North Korean agents.
Human nature! Greed and complacency. It will be the end of us!
@@carlwilliams6977 Very scientific analysis. I hope your chosen vocation doesn’t require any critical thinking skills.
@@d0wnboy You want proof? Open your eyes and ears! How else could you possibly explain patching these old planes together, and not facing the ultimate outcome?
As a society, we're doing the exact same thing regarding infrastructure and climate change. How long before we "lose a wing"? Hard to say exactly, but we will lose a wing!
The acting and production on these is really good. Thank you for making these. They feel like a homage to those who’ve died and a warning of the dangers. Something we need to pay attention to.
Very well said!
Ur next!
This is one of the best air crash investigations I’ve seen in a while
Its really incredible that until this accident, Chalks had a 90 year track record without the loss of a single passenger. Is that humanly possible?
When I was in the USAF, I learned of inspections that are mandatory to be done so many flight hours, my main question is who was doing these inspections on the plane and why was this not caught by FAA certified inspectors? Someone had to sign off on the aircraft's inspections. Something like this should not occur and there is more than just an airlines mechanic to blame.
Thank you for your service.
Small airlines can have some pretty sketchy maintenance programs, mostly driven by pushy managers and done by new mechanics afraid to make waves. Source: am aircraft mechanic.
They blamed the FAA inspector too, or at least the FAA itself. They say that near the end of the video.
Hand Salute, Ready Front ! 🇺🇸
I learned the same thing in the kgb
I swear, most of these air crashes result from budget cuts, which quickly leads to poor maintenance. Owners need to realize if they cant afford to maintain their planes properly, then they cant afford to operate the airline. But greedy CEOs' just keep gambling with peoples lives, just to make money.
Sad but true!!
Very true. And people like cheap tickets. I'd rather spend a little more knowing safety is a priority.
A lot of CEOs are psychopaths. And one of the hallmarks of psychopathy is total indifference to putting other people's lives at risk. So the airline industry is one the needs strict and vigilant regulation and monitoring. Doesnt matter how good the pilots are, if the planes aren't maintained properly. I just saw a video about an entire Alaska airlines jumbo jet going down near Los Angeles in the 2000s, because of improper maintenance on the tail rudder. The pilots tried their best to save the plane, but there was nothing they could do. CEOs need to go to prison when stuff like this happens
They need their yachts.
@@ratulxy - They need to be hanged in public...
Bring back public hangings !
I flew Chalks twice Cat Cay in December 1981 on planes not converted to TurboProp. The plane takes a beating on takeoff; not a pleasure craft.
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Thank ya Captain
RIP 🪦 God Rest All The Passenger’s On Board The Chalk Flight
They are resting in pieces alright
The fact that this plane was able to fly for so long with so little care it's an outstanding feat of engineering.
True and miltary planes that have a limitless budget, crash more often.
Yeah put multiple drill holes in an airplane wing, and then just throw a patch on it. What could go wrong?
😔. Anything and everything. 🤦♂️
He forgot the duct tape
Common sense as left the chat
Kind of reminds me of the JAL 123 patch job.
41 seconds in he landed with gear down in water?????
Those lifeguards were brave
Ur next !
No kidding
No deaths over a 90 year period? Simply amazing!
I remember chalks airway in the early 60s they were going great guns and flew the Grumman goose. such a sad ending for an airline that had been in business for so long rip for those lost in that terrible crash.
It shakes my heart after realizing how recent this was. I would've thought this happened in the 90s, but turns out this was a few months before Torino 2006
Salt Water is tough on every type of structure ever built. Boats, Planes, Buildings, Cars, bridges, etc.
lol some CSI user interface in this episode @24:00. I love the idea that the NTSB would have someone come in and code a program on a touchscreen just to display the possible causes of any given accident on a big screen so that a guy can walk up, nod thoughtfully, and press the one they just eliminated. Instead of just using a whiteboard.
Right? Lol
We put so much trust in others (such as companies or corporations) yet they don't wanna risk a dime over losing lives.
My feelings exactly.
A lot of em do put safety at the forefront, and have the records to prove it.
I want to know who went to jail
They do after they get sued
Exactly why ur next !
They were flying to buy a yacht... you see I can’t even afford to die this way...sometimes being broke can save you from yourself
Kind of like Kobe syndrome, the rich just find more expensive ways to die.
Amen to that big time
Diallo Gazali - If they had spent their money on the homeless people
living in tents... that filthy rich, couple
would still be alive today.
Now let's talk about planet, Earth. If they don't stop with their war games... humanity will die, like the Romans died.
This is true!
@Diallo Gazali soooo amen to that! The less I have the better I like it!
You didn't mention that this very plane was used in the pilot episode of Miami Vice, Brother's Keeper.
I've been on a sea plane before in rough weather. Water was coming in through the window's. Never again!!
Omg lol
So hyped whenever a full episode drops =]
3 engine failures on a turbine within such a short time frame.? That’s crazy!
You can 'chalk' this one up to negligence!
The real cause was 100% negligence.
May I respectfully disagree ?
A 100% negligence fsult implies it was 100% preventable + forseeable, by proper prior human intervention.
Not so.
These ancient & unique small passenger seaplanes were aging
S L O W L Y in an irreverseable fashion with NO available spares.
The practice of stretching their finite lifespan had reached its breaking point, quite literally.
But no single person would have been likely to have forseen the massive wing structural faikure.
Unless you could show repeated attempts by pilots who heard bizzare noises AND a management / owners who KNEW it portended this & covered it up.
THAT would be Willfull Negligence.
What this was was benign negligence of a 51 / 49 split.
Even the FAA inspector missed it.
@@psalm2forliberty577 One thing that really bugs me about this is that there actually were two suppliers of spare parts for this aircraft, one in Detroit and another in LA, of course both companies have since gone out of business BUT at the time they existed and the airline could've easily gotten those parts. Yes, it would've costed them some money, but the safety of your passengers and crew is more important (at least, that's how I look at it)
Went to the Bimini seaplane base in 2019 and took a picture of where this plane was exactly parked. Sucks what happend, the grumman mallard is a amazing looking plane
Being in A&P school, corrosion is never to joke about.
There are ways these repairs should be done and Chalk's clearly wasn't doing what they should have. These old birds are just as safe as modern birds as long as you bloody maintain them properly
Clearly the repairs were not done correctly. There needs to be more oversight and involvement from the manufacturer and the governing body. But there is a cold hard fact that the aluminum like many other metals has a life span. We need to know more about when it is time to say this bird is retired.
@@peterolsen269 I pointed out that the repairs were not carried out correctly in the original comment. The metal itself doesn’t have a lifespan, what has a lifespan is the structural integrity of the component (which is compromised by extensive use). In theory if you are diligent about replacing components as they require replacement, an aircraft could fly safely until the end of time.
@@silaskuemmerle2505 Metal, esp aluminum most definately has a life span. Please, do not pass on information as fact, unless you know it to be true. Work Hardening. Age Hardening. Many things can take place. I will respect your opinion once you admit that you do not know everthing.
" bloody" ? They are simply greedy CEOs coveting more and more mm oney vs daily! I do not believe that the big shots care...they no doubt gamble and expect that there will often be casualties and I'm DO it NOT CARE!
This 1947 plane was So past it's life span it's a crime. Double the hp would shorten if even faster. Metal fatigue is not repairable, just delayed.
I can't even imagine the terror those poor passengers must've felt before they hit the water. There was a video of this plane flying into the ocean, shown on the news.
Once i knew the plane was made in 1947, thats all i needed to know. A 50yr old plane has probably outlived its engineering lifespan. Its criminal to think you can patch up such a thing forever.
you can if you actually repair it properly instead of those improper patch jobs they did.
But what are the odds of that? Therefore i agree with both opinions but I wouldn't fly in a 50 year old plane either no way
@@delta-theoryarizona4256 ehhhh I mean museums have older planes that they still fly. There are some museums that fly all of their planes regardless of age or value. They can always be kept up maintaince wise and if something goes bad that isn't made anymore it can be custom made fairly easy nowadays.
I do get where you are coming from though for sure.
Also a lot of bush pilots use older planes because of the fact that they were overbuilt and can take a beating. Which would be a better argument since museums aren't doing regular flights with paying customers. But again I do get it and I myself would rather fly a new plane too.
@@TheFrogInYourClosetWatchingYou I agree. Not to mention their is no maintenance for metal fatigue of that age & it's beyond repair in some cases in my opinion
As long as new parts are being made and people take very good care of it, you definitely can. If you paid attention, lack of maintenance and parts caused the disaster. You can always weld patches of metal, swap components, replace sections, etc. However, nothing is made to last forever on its own and without maintenance, even a modern plane would go down in a couple of years.
Moral of the story, STOP being greedy and PAY your maintenance crew
TBH, this is why I avoid small airlines as much as I can!
six Planes, the airline had five planes which means it was not greed, they were not making much money to begin with.
This was a business making little money, it isn't a tax payers funded miltary where money is no object and parts can be replaced and upgraded and then the plane can sit unused and eventually get scrapped.
There's a ton more maintained done on these planes that the average Joe commenting on here, that gets in a car without so much checking the tires or looking underneath, they just turn the key and go, usually ignoring to road signs, breaking speed limits etc etc.
That's why it's still safer to catch a 70 year old place than it is to drive to the airport.
Airplane accidents are extremely rare and ones where people die are rarer.
Yet car accidents and deaths happen every hour of the day in just a single state
When I first saw this I figured the most likely explanation was naked corruption, something that Florida is rather famous for and the Bahamas aren't far behind. An inspector quietly paid to look the other way on inspections, a loophole introduced custom-made for Chalks, to allow a venerable but dying airline to keep flying long, long past the point of safety, and to protect that Miami businessman's investment.
While I still think that is possible, the most likely explanation was simple bureaucratic inertia. Chalks had a *Reputation*, it was a tiny outfit, and FAA man-hours are very limited, so they let them skate to deal with bigger and more urgent problems. Add that loophole on top of that. And that worked... until it didn't, and 20 people died. Then suddenly, Chalks WAS the urgent problem, and its fall was inevitable.
Why are our post crash inspections so good, & pre-crash ones so poor ?
Well from the pictures they showed, the pilot spent many hours getting her hair and makeup done
Hindsight is 20 / 20
Amen
Hit the nail on the head
@@batesvillbilly368 wtf is wrong with you?? Sexist much?? For one thing, the pilot didn't even look like the actress. I don't think they even showed an actual picture of her here. Second - it wasn't either of the pilot's fault. It was a maintenance/mechanic issue. Now go crawl back under the rock you crawled out from under, Mr. Misogyny.
But think about all the money that was made by not repairing these planes or maintaining them. Greed is always the culprit. Hopefully, the lawsuits swallowed up all the blood money made due to this intentional negligence.
Considering how many times it changed hands, plus entered bankruptcy twice, I doubt much…..
I only watch the full episodes of these. Love them. Really wish more were available on here, though! I think I might have seen all of the full Mayday airplane episodes by now, here and on the other couple of channels. 😭
That acting kills me. The sealant that fella used in the fuel tank was GREASE and he applied it with a GREASE GUN. HAHAHA
The director figured we were too dumb to notice.
Thankyou for posting!
I used to fly often in a Grumman Goose in the Aleutian Islands when I was a Bering Sea crabber, back in the hay days and once we were leaving Akutan Island and had picked up a native from the tiny village. As we drove into the water and the water was running over the windows, as we picked up speed the aircraft started to come out of the water and eventually was airborne. The woman turned to another native and said: "Oh, this thing flies?" SMH. Long story, but funny at the time.
Lol that is funny. Until watching this, I wasn't aware of flying planes either...🥴
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@@hpygolkyoneso did u crash ?
I remember watching this back when I was in Grade 4, very sad.
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Why weeent u on that plane that day ?
Please do Sothern Airways 242.
That was some detective work.
Very sad. RIP. We always hope to learn from such tragedies like this.
unlikely....money still rules and corrupts
@@williamparker1085 true story.
@@PilotFun101ur next!
The Grumman was NOT a "twin turboprop" design, it was a twin radial engine design, refitted with turboprops on an aging airframe that was never designed for them.
BUT a turboprop produces way less vibration and should stress the airframe less.
I’ve gotta be honest, you have to REALLY want to fly to book a flight on that aircraft. Geez!!! I’m scared just watching this as I rest in my bed!!!😮😮😮😮
I flew on it when I was younger, it's was actually a very rewarding experience. The pilot mentioned why people flew chalks in the beginning. Bimini is two islands. The north and south island. Everyone lives on the north island. The south island is mostly uninhabited wilderness but has the land based airport. Chalks landed in the Cay and cruised right up on its small hanger on the north island. To get to the airport on the south island you have to wait for a ferry, take the ferry ride over, then take a shuttle to the airport which can add an hour or more to travel time and you still have to go through customs. From Bimini to Fort lauderdale you're only in the air for ~30 minutes so it did not make sense to have a long day based around an international that would take less than 2 hours or so to complete from leaving your home.
@@craigrison007, Thank you for explaining, and with such curtesy. That sounds like a very rewarding experience!😁!!!
The NTSB. An agency to be proud of. I know it’s simply due all commercial passenger accidents requiring an investigation, but the fact that they even do investigations involving a rare, ancient model probably flying less than 1,000 passengers per year is great.
So sad 😞
I used to commute to work every workday on a Frakes Turbo Mallard from Virgin Islands Seaplane Shuttle back in the 80s between San Juan Puerto Rico to the Virgin Islands. They had been refurbished to almost new condition. Unfortunately some were lost on a hurricane. They were beautiful awesome machines!
"Can you enhance that for me"
"Um, no... thats only in movies sir."
Got to love the mechanic's stereotype they showed. Wife beater and trucker hat, like he's some shade tree guy from the backyard.
They do that a lot. A Long hair selling bogus parts or a billy-bob using a grease gun to calk up the tank. The sleeveless T is a nice touch.
Those hangers down south get extremely hot.
So when they found out that the wing fell off in a video, they didn’t go for the maintenance records???
They were trying to rule out a bomb going off in the plane first because 2 of the passengers on board were anti-castro.
This Aircraft Never Shouldn’t Have Been Flying Especially With The Fuel Leak’s & Crack’s In It
As per my comment above, I was in the USAF as an aircraft mechanic. Every aircraft has specs of minimum thickness allowable on surfaces, as well as what cracks are allowed to be repaired and what mandates a replacement of a part or retire an aircraft. These measurements are suppose to be done during maintenance which clearly was not done. I for certain know that pop rivets are not allowed to be used on aircraft. Center wing boxes are lined with many structural attach points with very large bolts and nuts which are coated and sealed. This area is suppose to be inspected frequently, cracks are not allowed to be in this area period. Again there are more than just one or two people to blame for allowing this aircraft to fly in the condition it was in.
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i'ma inspect any airplane I get on MYSELF before ever boarding from now on...commercial jet or not!!
@@stedmans4christ I Don’t Blame U
@@stedmans4christ No you won't, because you are not trained to inspect *any* aircraft plus they wouldn't let you do it anyway. Trust me, I'd love to inspect the aircraft that I board, but I know they won't let me just walk around the outside and check every nook and cranny (and yes, I do have some training and experience in airline maintenance)
That beautiful lady pilot can make dolphins jump through hoops! She was stunning.
She was a actor
@@petrovichbauer5105 no, the pictures shown are of real people, about which this reenactment was made. When they showed the ACTION in a cockpit - that were actors. Pictures or documents shown - are genuine.
We need safe planes. I don't care what the pilot looks like.
she was hot ngl
The actors in this documentary all looked remarkably similar to the real-life people.
RIp to the passengers and crew on board in Chalk airways flight 101 😔 🌼 🌻 🌸 🌹 💮.
So this airline got away with allowing passengers to fly in deathtraps for a long time! Pilots leaving because they don't think the planes are safe, and the FAA gives the airline a clean bill of health anyway. Did money change hands to facilitate that? The disregard for crew and passenger safety is staggering!
My exact thoughts on this
Yes, if the inspector was paid off, that needs to be investigated. Hopefully there will be a follow up vid on this.
No way, if they didn't have money to pay themselves or for the planes they surely don't have BRIBE type money
The actress playing the female pilot looks identical to the actual pilot
I was thinking the same thing.
Thats because there's no actual photos of her used. The photo they show is the actress as well.
She’s beautiful
They use the pic of the pilots who was acting. In Every Airplane crash Documentary they use the Acting Pilots and First Officer and Engineer.
@@mohammadbazzi3072 in SilkAir Flight 185 they used both the actor and the real pilot, perhaps because he was dastardly enough to bring down the plane
wow the CGI... haven't seen that kind in a while
These episodes are very old this channel just found them somewhere else
@Jaylen Jackson I don't understand people like you
And the std
@Jaylen Jackson the "actual footage' they use in this documentary is a CGI recreation. The original footage had different waves and seagulls flying in the foreground. I don't get why they just show the original
@Jaylen Jackson yeah I can't find a good copy of it except a short CNN clip. It is so compressed with artifacts along the waves such that it looks "fake" (ok CNN)
Flew on this same plane N2969 that crashed years before.. It was quite an experience taking off from the water. My flight took off from fort Lauderdale airport to bimini and returned .. I believe all airline's have to have non destructive testing to check for structural integrity, does this apply to commuters airlines? Did the faa change the rules as a result of this crash,
Maybe someone could weigh in. Sad for the pilots and passenger's,. the didnt have a chance. Great documentry best i seen on this accident.
Money before safety to break a 90 year streak of no passengers lost. Sad.
This incident reminds me of Alaska Airlines 261. Another case where financial problems and bad maintenance caused a disaster.
I was just thinking the same thing. With the jack screw.
@@Latabrine What’s a jackscrew?
I live in Fla and you would be amazed how much the salt air causes corrosion on everything. Of course they did very poor maintenance though. Really sad.
at what point do you just throw the whole plane away?
Normally planes like that go to an air museum or collector who takes much better care of them.
AirVenture Oshkosh (Oshkosh Fly-In) 2021 had a few extra Grumman amphibians this year. The Goose and Albatross are the medium and large cousins of the small Mallard. There was a red, white, and blue Goose and a white Goose up in Warbird Alley, and a family owns an Albatross that gets parked down by Vintage. "Big Blue" used to be a landmark until the southern end of the grounds got extended far enough that it is past the ultralight field.
I wonder if they ever found the one person they couldn't find ? Such a sad ending !!
Nah he’s in Singapore right now. …. He actually bombed the plane and jumped out with a parachute they got it all wrong
Sounds like negligent homicide to me. Jail time?
I almost never hear mechanics or managers going to jail…. Or FAA inspector!!!!😠 737max😡
If you want jail time for these deaths, you'll be greatly disappointed.
My family and I used to ride Chalks Airlines religiously up until 2005 when I heard about the plane crashing into the sea. Since I was a kid, that was the premiere choice of flying to Bimini or Nassau. Nestled on the banks of the Port of Miami, you would cross the McArthur Causeway (was a drawbridge in the 90s), and turn right to get to the small airport. I enjoyed it alot as a kid!
I lost family who were flying to Nassau in that plane shortly after doing their Christmas shopping.
Disasters just don't happen, its a series of critical events that lead up to it.
This is what happens when $ comes before safety!! Who doesn’t make sure something worked when you “fix” it. So sad this should never have happened!! R.I.P to all 20 people whom lost there lives. Really sad and could have been avoided.
I also really enjoy all of your vignettes...they se so realistic and the VA actors are incredible!! Please keep up the entertaining stories and educating us people who know zero about aviation and the potential hazards lurking on passenger planes..everything is superb..thank you again..
"MIcky mousing"a repair to save a buck is criminal
Woah casting was on-point! Is that lifeguard played by the real guy?
Stacks of maintenance records screaming, "unsafe, unsafe; complete replacement needed, etc", given the seal of approval by the FAA Inspector- - - where's the complete and thorough investigation on him and his financial records and history? Anyone else smell a possible bribe? Can an FAA Inspector be that incompetent? If so, makes ya wander how many other aircraft he passed that should NOT have. This video opens my eyes to a whole other aspect of air safety- "how many accidents happened because maintenance records and practices were given the stamp of approval by an inspector when they actually should not have?" We look at the airlines and their responsibility, but what about the FAA & NTSB? Chalks' "flying relics" should have been grounded long before they went out of business, since manufacturer stopped production of this plane and replacement parts decades ago.
I love how they had the hill-billy looking guy filling the cracks with grease from a grease gun.
It wasn't grease it was sealant
I came here to talk about ol Greasy McKee. Thanks for not letting me down. I'ma go shoot some "sealant" in the tractor joints and do some work
Yeeee haw! Get the grease gun Maw! I needs to throw some grease on them there cracks!
(In reality, it was probably sealant but the actor used grease.)
@@willschultz5452 maybe it WAS grease 😆
Thanks for the uploads, you've earned a new subscriber.
I was 6-7 when this accident happened. Just a few months prior my grandfather had taken me fishing out by where Chalks usually taxiied in and flown out. I still remember seeing those big Mallards landing and taking off those two whole days we were out there.
I always wanted to fly seaplanes for a living. Something extremely interesting about them. I remember wanting to work for Chalks as a kid, I was devastated they went out of business with this only accident.
There are still seaplane operators out there still. Cargo runners and island hoppers. I hope to one day fly along them as I spent all my childhood watching them fly in and fly out. My hope is to be hired as a A&P for the seaplanes so I can help avoid future accidents like this. When I get my commerical flight license, I plan to fly them and pass on all knowledge and experience I get with these big flying beasts.
I very much remember seeing this all over the news. It was a scary thing to think about at that time.
RIP to all crew and passengers.
I wonder what happened to the owner if he was held responsible or if he was sued by the relatives of the passengers? Usually at the end of the show they explain what happens and who gets reprimanded or blamed or fired. 🤷🏻♂️
The female pilot was absolutely beautiful
Yes relatives can sue and win when in aircraft goes down. Especially if it's cost cutting repairs that caused the crash. It's called a wrongful death lawsuit.
This team did a fantastic job finding the reason for the crash/failure. I have to think is not a good day telling the FFA inspector that he messed up.
Sad in the end... it took loss of life to revel what was going on. Its always money as the reason. Again kudos to the investigators, that has to be very daunting without the normal data from most incidents.
This sounds like the narrator from Kings and Generals
The best looking flight crew ever.
And yet no one is EVER held accountable!
They should of all been in jail
I remember watching this back in middle school
Every Record of an event that TERMINATES A LIFE in Aviation is due to a failure of the SYSTEM, not typically the aircraft involved. It is PISS POOR that the FAA (entrusted by the taxpaying, flying public to protect human life by using unsurpassed knowledge and proper enforcement), does not act until a death occurs in an event. If the FAA "inspector" did the job that they were paid and ENTRUSTED to do, the AIRPLANE could have either been taken out of service or properly repaired... and 99.9% likely that NO ONE would have died.
Airlines are always money before safety with no care in the world if someone dies. "Safest form of travel" yeah my ass
The FAA and the standards that US airplanes are maintained are the world standard so you can just go fly Central African Airline all you want and i will fly US certified airplanes. The FAA cant be everywhere as it seems almost all these accidents reault from the companies trying to save money in one way or another be it by saving time or maintence...ect. Without the FAA the airlime industry would be losing planes often as historically they choose profit over safety anytime they can
@@norml.hugh-mann I agree that American owned are still the safest in the world, but I’d also point out that there are indeed companies that do prioritize safety out there. I fly Cathay Pacific a lot, and they have one of the best safety records in the world, despite being based out of Hong Kong.
12:35 This fella also played Captain Buschmann in 'Racing the storm'!
Let's give a hand to those lifeguards. They arent trained for that and it was far away. It was brave for them to go after a plane crash in the ocean with nothing but a jet ski. They would've given those people precious seconds that could've saved them if anyone had a chance. Unfortunately they didn't. It says a lot that they kept themselves together and collected bodies for the families. Most people couldn't have done that without training to handle it. Those boys weren't trained to collect dead bodies. Bodies could've been lost without their help. They guaranteed the crash was found as fast as possible. Time to find the crash is why bodies are often lost to the ocean.
Looks like the mechanics are more in control of the plane than the pilots.
Pilots are a seating ducks and the passengers died for no fault of their own.
I think the problem was that mechanic was trying to fix a fuel leak with a grease gun.
Ooh that actress playing the captain! 🔥
I was on a tiny marine plane in Alaska. A puddle jumper lol. It was a very bumpy take off and landing.
The repairs I’m seeing in this episode wouldn’t be used on a vehicle that remains on land!!! Why a professional aviation mechanic would use a patch AND drill holes in a wing to prevent CRACKS on the wing of an airplane is beyond me!!!
I was right at that part as I read your comment. Blows my mind.
Because that's what the maintenance manual calls for. Stop drilling is used much more often than not for cracks an inch or smaller. Leading edges are the exception.
If it’s done correctly stop drill holes can be safely used to repair cracks in the plane however in this instance because the maintenance engineer had a complete lack of training and did not do a proper repair job it became a huge safety issue
30:59 I wouldn't let that mechanic work on my car let alone my plane.
Maybe he wanted to replace the bad spars, but the company wouldn't let or pay him to do so. Mechanic's can only do what's allowable and within reason, fixable. The FAA signed off on it, and pilots agreed to fly it with passengers.
Lots of finger pointing to go around, not just one.
@@emerkamp1 My comment was based on humor and the fact that they depicted him to be a half wit which is a huge insult to all mechanics.
@@blthetube1962 Apologies, I read your txt wrong and I agree. The wife beater and trucker hat is what all mechanics wear, lol
The video re-creation of this accident looks eerily similar to a wildfire air tanker accident I saw on the news years ago in Arizona. The plane was a C-130 I believe (if not, then it was an old Navy patrol/cargo plane). It was pulling up out of a fire retardant drop and both wings folded up over its back like a bird landing on a branch. No survivors after that crash either.
They still fly the old P2V5 and 7 series Neptunes. Since they were Navy and flew over the ocean most of the time they had corrosion problems. I have over a thousand hours myself. Those pull outs were two or three G's and those wing roots do fail.
shame that one of the coolest and least corporatized airlines in the business had to have this stain their reputation, that plane really was very cool
Very cool plane, just too old and falling apart because of bad practices
@@colincampbell7126 no
I can't agree with your sympathy for this company that knowingly had poor maintenance practices on planes they knew were getting too old to do proper repairs on. Yes, it was a very cool airplane... in it's time. But when parts are not being made anymore to replace old, broken, ones... it's time to pull the plug BEFORE people die.
@@amydavis4945 Thats not how it works, you can literally make more parts in a machine shop from scratch because the specifications are documented therefore you can keep any old plane in service pretty much for good. Just because the manufacturer isnt making them doesnt mean that they cant be sourced. Lots of older planes are flying and many are safer than newer planes built today. I flew on a 54 year old jet with a commercial airline just 3 years ago.
@@amydavis4945 or make the parts custom for the plane
The guy in the bahamas with the yatch just lost a high dollar sale.
The company was aware of the structure damage and let the plane fly anyways.
Could you please do the “kid in the cockpit” episode!
They did. Aeroflot.
So who got the blame and did anyone get arrested and charged?
Thank you for sharing
Such a good show keep up the amazing good work 🤯👍
Chalks was acquired by Resorts International which was owned by Merv Griffin. They had bought and were in the process of restoring Grumman Albatrosses that had been stored in the desert. They flew one to St Augustine to do this work, but it was never completed. I worked for the company that supplied the engine fire detection system on the Albatross so I got to see that operation before it shutdown.
How long ago? Oshkosh Fly-In had a couple extra amphibs this year (2021). The one I saw from fairly close was being restored as a military support plane.
I am addicted to watching these reenactments. I used to fly a lot as a kid and loved it. I quit flying after 911. Not because I was afraid but because I didn't like the strictness they put on the industry. They knew the terrorists were out there but didn't stop them. Instead they made it difficult for anyone wanting to fly. Anyway I know most people don't agree with me. That's just how I
We have a seaplane business here in my hometown, just downriver from Cincinnati . I got inside one of the planes one day while it was docked and felt claustrophobic . I wouldn't go up in one of those things even if I were paid to do it
Brave lifeguards!! Good job fellas
At this point the NTSB needs their own show like CSI.
Tragic that safety was overlooked to the point that the right wing broke off. Always about money, always.
Tales of the Gold Monkey just flashed through my head.
My sheetmetal guys back at the base would be collectively saying WTF.
People live and die by your work ethics.
It's amazing how such a seemingly small crash could be so lethal
When a wing comes off, NO ONE survives.
The guy playing the investigator was also the captain in "Racing the Storm." Thought he looked familiar.