The Role of Women in Buddhism | Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo
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The role and status of women in religion is often a controversial subject. Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo looks at the position of women in Buddhism, both from an historical and a current perspective.
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I have recently started practicing Buddhist Ideologies and Thoesis , I must confess the more I learn about this fascinating belief system I am amazed greatly , Growing up Christian I always questioned alot of the Bible and what I was taught, but finally at age 16 ,I started reading about Buddhism and it truly is an enlightening way of life
I wouldnt say the Christian ist that bad... There is not an Tradition that ist that Professional... If you look at the Columbo the TV detective.... That Christian spirituality... Also Galileo must have been Christian... Uta abstract thinking... Its quite an art... But there was a Break between sience and Religion... That never happened in buddhaism and hinduism... Thats the main difference.
Real Buddhism is not a "belief system". That is completely wrong. It´s all about having the proper experience.
I’m going through the same journey as well
hey sis r u still a buddhist? been going through the same thing
@@christianh.6797I love that you gave Columbo his propers ✨🌟✨
2500 yrs ago..Buddha ordained his mother & his wife yashodhara...and many womens. And with that 2500 yrs ago..India gave equal opportunity to women.
Here we r today in 21st century..still struggling for equal rights.
So ,i considered Buddha as great teacher, healer, scientist, psychiatrist, and his far sightedness was way way way better & more advanced than us.(we todays people).
Blessed to born as Buddhist. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🌷namobuddhaya
There should not be any debate about this. Does anybody ask for permission to feel? Or to feel devotion? Can anybody restraint anybody else's enlightment? Not possible at all. Yet, men ( in all spheres) think they have the right to decide over women's personal experiences. Buddhism Is no exception. Shakyamuni stated equality. Men in the following traditions spoiled everything. We women should stop asking for permission. That's all. No war. Just the truth. Blessings!
"men in all spheres think they have the right to decide over women's personal experiences" wtf??
You basically say ALL men are (closited) rapists. If not of the body, of the spirit.What the fuck? How is that not just as sexist as you make men out to be? You speak of equality, and "no war, just the truth". But you feel okay generalising and judging 50% of our population. Us vs them. Yet you speak of no war.
Honestly, wtf
Not men, but through the guidance of the spirit , which take the responsibility & control out of human hands
Shakyamuni didn't allow women to be nuns originally until his friend convinced him to allow it, he thought women were "unfocused" and not equal to men in "salutations" meaning women had to bow to monks and move out of their way if they were passing them and not vice versa.
I visited asia and spoke with a Theravada monk about role women in Buddhism, he said: “Because the Buddha allowing nuns into the monastic order, he predicted the Dharma will be extinct 500 years earlier.”
I replied to him: “Of course, the Buddha was such an amazing Visionary and social Revolutionary of his time. He had the foresight to see that. During his time women were nothing more than a man’s possession. They had no social status. To elevate them to the priesthood, which is highest in Indian society at that time, was unheard of. Even acknowledging women are capable of enlightenment like himself. Even after 2500 years his own students and followers within his own religion oppose to this, effectively goes against his teachings. What hope does the dharma gets to not become extinct early when people are selectively applying it based on their own delusions? The forces of delusions are powerful indeed.”
The monk was silent.
Majority of Asian monks are taught and believe that women are inferior and need 7 lives of good deeds to become a man. Buddha said otherwise, she can be a Enlightened person in this life. So does becoming a man more greater than becoming a Buddha?
cloudyyo As the Buddha taught, all is created by mind and distorted mental capacities...if you want to reinterpret the Buddha’s teachings of equality in ability to become awakened.. it’s delusion. The Vinaya allows women ordination and the Nikayas talks of women becoming Arahats while being monastic students of the Buddha. Negating of the teachings of the Buddha is pure delusions to fit distorted views one holds about the world. The Buddha’s teachings transcends cultures and patriarchy dominance. He was the first major religious founder to recognize the equality of men and women in spiritual practice. What ignorance to keep denying it!
Robert Raghav I studied 6 years of scriptures.. its an oral tradition for 500 years before written down so I doubt very much the veracity of transmission because it’s incongruent with others teaching of the Buddha purported to have being said. Doubt and verifying it for oneself is the Buddha’s fundamental teachings so no, I don’t believe it just because its written somewhere. People need to learn to think critically and not take everything on faith, its called being blind.
We have examples of buddhist nuns who were enlightened.
We hAvw female bodhisatvas.
We even have theri gatha.
Poems of enlightened women.
What else we need to prove
The inconvenient truth is that men are much simpler than women and need little to be happy, something that we are resented for as the feminist rethoric reminds us of daily.
Women by their intrinsic nature are more complex and more vulnerable, therefore inner peace is harder for them to attain.
@@fenflies Yes there is. Emotional control. Dogs are trained this way all the time and they're quite good at it but granted, it's harder to train an ape to do the same.
In real Buddhism there is no question of masculin or feminum; it´s a spiritual thing.
Wrong
Wait wut
I believe this anymore info?
@@killme8553 . There´s no gender separation in spirit.
@@killme8553 Well, there´s Dakinis who I thought was female spiritual beings in the buddhist cosmos but watch here on YT; "What is a Dakini? | Khandro Rinpoche"
Misogyny is not enlightment.
You should keep on rubbish ideas in your hindcracks.
I am a monk and I agree with her. Buddha never taught anything mysogynistic.
@@PitoMito-vp3hrwhat are they? And were they written in the tripathak? Were they written in Pali? No. He wasn't the person to call pregnancy as impure like one of the verses of the Bible.
@@PitoMito-vp3hrBuddha allowed women into temples, which was banned at that time. So, he was not what you think.
If anything, scriptures are being changed so people can do what they want.
Like Buddha was vegeteranian but most Buddhists are not.
@@tulipbubbly3748facts plus if you read Buddhist scripture women could become arahants and Bodhisatvas especially in Mahayana Buddhism, the only thing they couldn't do was become a Buddha in the female form which makes sense considering how much tougher they get it in life
@@amigos2841He didn't allow women to be nuns until his friend convinced him to allow it. He said women were "unfocused" and unequal to men in "salutations", women had to bow to the monks and move out of their way in the sangha, the Buddha was a great reformer in many ways but not when it comes to women.
@@dylangoddard7449 well he didnt allow women to become monks at first because it would of shortened the first dharma decline age even more, again Theravada sutras have Buddha as horrible to women but not in Mahayana or Vajrayana
Sad female monks are ignored everyone glorifies male monks
Buddha taught equality. Culture impeded that equality. Let's get the real teachings of Buddha going! I mean... Buddha said husband's needed to give their wives the authority :)
I think the notion of equality was interpreted differently when society was more patriarchal.
No lol. Just stick to the religion of liberalism and stop trying to merge the two.
first of all there is actaully queit of sexism in buddhism history
second of all is let me get this straight when a religion favours male over female it is "bad" religion and can not be true but when female is favoured on male it is a "good" religion and peacefull bruh
i don't think that women are allowed to do jobs men does or men allowed to do women jobs but the slight superiority should be that male's are physically better that's all i have to say
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I'm not a Buddhist. But I've learnt some things from Buddhism. Understanding that existence is suffering, that suffering stems from desire and being compassionate are some of the core beliefs of Buddhism. Buddhism works for any living being with high iq and cognitive abilities. Many women(and men) do belong to this category. Sadly not all our fellow sentient beings fall into this category. That's why we place importance on compassion. Reducing pain in the world is a task of Buddhist. I personally have adopted a plant based diet because supply=demand and I don't want to feel responsible for animal suffering
Interesting that even the ancient societies that are respected today had the same fatal flaw as barbaric societies we don't like. For example no one wanted to live in poverty with cut throat rulers who lived happily while their subjects suffered and died of the disease. Women didn't have any say in how their husbands controlled them. Yet in ancient Greek society there was democracy and Buddhists were all nature loving enlightened beings. People think those societies would be wonderful but women still had no real control over their lives and life would still be shit for them.
Where there's men, there will be women suffering. Men are deathly afraid of women and their power. Women give life, men take it away.
In Sikhism people said men and women same but in religious it says wife always respect husband then she is good in religious then she accept .
In ancient greece the women's rights depended on the city state, each city state was a bit different. Check the role of women in sparta for example.
That's not accurate, Buddhism have always accepted women, the own Buddha aunt (Mahapajapati Gotami) was ordained by the Buddha, of course, it was mainly focused on men because the Buddha was a man, but he never discriminated, he teached, guided and supported all nuns, all women have the same potential as man for enlightenment, otherwise he would never accept ordanaiting them, this patriarchal and sexist view is something that developed centuries later with the growing popularity of Buddhism and its adoption by different cultures.
For those more interested, there is the Therigatha which is a collection of poems written by nun of varies background dating back to the time of the Buddha, reinforcing the ideia that women and men are equal in the potential of spiritual development.
Buddha didn't want to have women monks. He only accepted once his disciple Ananda pleaded for the women's right to become monk and then the Buddha accepted and recognized that women could be enlightened as much as men but he only accepted to ordain them by telling the women that a woman monk, even if she was in the Order for 100 years must respect a man monk even of a day's standing as her superior, a woman monk cannot scold or advice a man monk. He really made sure that women were under men by putting those sexist rules.
While Buddhism accepts that men and women are equal in their ability to practice the Dharma and to achieve full and perfect enlightenment, that doesn't mean that Buddhist societies have always followed this thinking, unfortunately.
@@studybuddhism But why is it that it was Buddha who didn't want women first and that he had to be convinced by Ananda?
@samaina CrEaTiOnS then why did he ordained women and made them enlightened
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The Buddha, on learning of King Pasenadi of Kosala was displeased that his queen had just given birth to a daughter rather than the desired son, reassured the king as follows:
A woman, O lord of the people, may turn out better than a man. She may be wise and virtuous, a devoted wife, revering her mother-in-law. - SN 3.16
Women, Ananda, having gone forth are able to realize the fruit of stream-attainment or the fruit of once-returning or the fruit of non-returning or arahantship,
I just want to become a monk
@saranya M Then start saving money ...
Yandy Nestor Perez - how much money is to be saved ... can anyone help me on this please
@@yandynestorperez7501 why do we have to save money to be a nun? How much money do we have to save? Can you please tell me
Perhaps it's time for women to not follow.the steps of man's ancient teachings and wish to become like them. Priest like them. Perhaps we should use the knowledge and wisdom life has taught us and make our own so one day ot can become ancient and women will thank us greatly.
@Frisbee perhaps. Except there's that spear that says we've degenerated. If that's true, we shouldn't keep progressing that downward spiral
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I am not speaking against this monk. But sometimes learning Buddhism which alone is over 2550 years old in different countries can confuse or give wrong information of its past. The first Buddhist female monks were ordained by the Buddha himself Gouthama. She was none other than his step mother SANGAMITTA. There were female monerstries in India and Sri Lanka thousands of years ago.
But with time with natural disasters Wars and invasions by other religions the destruction of monasteries to Colonisation to the introduction of other faiths the female Buddhist monk population dwindled.. Again this is how it was even with the males though to a lesser extent as more males became monks than women
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I stay rattert apart from women. All my life they only did harm to me even my own mother. So i like to ignore all women. I dont harm them but i dont Look at them either. Hope thats okey 😊
I wish one day i wll earn and donate my money to improve th quality of life in female monastery.
And at th ending part of my life ill be one of them.
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Same with all religions and 'lifestyles'
для меня буддизм не религия..но сама жизнь
Women need to stop enabling a system in Buddhism that did not follow the Buddha’s teaching by not equally recognizing women and men. It is harmful to men to follow traditions that favored them which could lead to an inflated ego.
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buddha did teach equality but monks and nuns had different rules becouse we just cant ve equal ;) and yet in some ways we are its about energies everyone must find its equilibrium
I want became monk please tell me details i am girl 25 years
People need to stop bashing Christianity for being sexist, it was a worldwide thing back then and it’s not just a religious thing either. Pagans were sexist, buddhists were it was worldwide. The Greeks weren’t however that does not make the Greeks good, because they had giant orgies. And about those nuns she talked about. In Christianity there is a lot of controversy on whether Catholicism is a cult because they follow priests after Jesus had said we don’t need priests anymore he is with all of us. So those nuns are sheep who follow the pope instead of God. The bible is actually not sexist in the first place. People like to cherry picking the quotes about woman out of the bible and male them sound sexist. For example people will say “the bible says woman shall remain silent and should let men be the leaders.” However if they don’t cherrypick and read the bible properly, they will come across the story of Debra who was a prophet, an army leader and she definitely did not keep silent.
This video isn't remaking on 90% of what you wrote. You should trailer your comments more specifically. It would help if you learned the rem Context in order to do that.
Because ppl take Paul's word over God. Good ordained Deborah and many other prophetess in the OT
You are right that people like to cherrypick quotes to back up their own opinions. Unfortunately, sexism and gender-based discrimination has existed always, and will probably always exist. The only way out is to work on transforming our own minds!
bible is 100% misogynistic because it was written 2k years ago in a misogynistic world by misogynistic men... one of many reasons to be an atheist
You just literally cherrpicked while complaining about others cherry picking.
The Bible is sexist, and you are delusional.
I am married with 2 sons. Would have been nice
How can a 56 year old American woman become a monk?, that practices Daoism.
The Buddha was right that a woman can be just as spiritual as a man. But the Buddha was also right about what women, as a group, do to religion.
Oh please. Very afraid of women "as a group" are we? That's because the truth is painful. Not only can women reach the same level of spirituality than men, women are more spiritual by nature. And they don't need an ordained religious system to be spiritual. It's men who create these religions and then usually tie them to government and governing bodies so they have "permission" to even begin being spiritual. Religions were invented for men and originally followed - and allowed to follow, only by men. Women are naturally enlightened, they are more empathetic, caring, and more in touch with their intuition and higher self. Women don't need a religion to connect to their higher purpose. Men do. Men are more animalistic and they need religion to keep them in check. They are also more egocentric and need religion to detach from their ego, while women give life and sacrifice themselves for others their entire lives.
I agree the buddha said if there are more women leading something it naturaly crumbles faster because of female psychological issues, and focusing on gender in buddhism is actually the opposite of the practice , the practise is no self but they preach this gender euality ridiculous.
@@GLamoRousCooKie This is everything.
@@GLamoRousCooKie i agree completely. Even Osho said that feminine is naturally more inclined towards god because they are naturally soft and also not to forget that feminine naturally have divine qualities. When men gets into enlightenment process he becomes like a women. A feminine. Men has to cross two process and then he can be enlightened but when women is in spirituality, she doesnt even need any process because her natural qualities becomes highlighted faster.
@@pa4760 I agree with your views but I have seen many women in my life that, when they talk to other women they seemed to be in good terms with each-other but once they’re not in contact, many of them start talking negative about each other and sadly that is the reason why I think though some women are awesome, many of them are not, majority of them lacks integrity.
There is no role in buddhism for women. There is no role for men in buddhism. The only true buddhism is Zen, and then only without an institution or writings or rules or rituals or hierarchy or haircuts or uniforms. You either get it or you don’t. These people don’t.
One more thing_ there is no buddha to worship. Wakey wakey.
He is man and God never born