They really don't make them like they used to!
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- No really, they don't... We hear this all of the time, but at the end of the day, it's true. Here's why.
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How Many BHP btw
Little secret. Sometimes they want you to pay even more for performance parts. That is parts that are not O.E./new replacements, but better parts. That car should be at least LS swapped with a T-56 with aftermarket axles, suspension, brakes. All at ridiculous prices.
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Born and raised in Detroit. Was a UAW member for 10 years... and then I purchased a 1985 Dodge... was amazed at the distinctly superior quality over previously owned vehicles... and then I was shocked to find out it was actually made by a Japanese company. No wonder the U.S. auto industry went bankrupt when it did.
basically japanese are the german ingeneers of the new world. or maybe the old world cause owning an older japanese car is more of a safe bet
@@4xHitler: Nah, Japanese engineers are superior to German engineers. German engineers can make things extremely intricate and precise, but can't be bothered to test their products outside of the laboratory -- real-world conditions would require overbuilding components, which would reduce their peak efficiency, and that's just totally unacceptable to German engineers. That's why German cars driven outside of Germany require so much additional maintenance -- German engineers design German cars to work well on immaculate German roads, and don't care that their products get beaten to death very quickly elsewhere in the world.
@@deusexaethera it's great to hear that from you since german car companys build most their cars at every other place except germany you get a lot of trashy poorly produced vehicles despite quality control. also there are many other factors which make car factorys produce worse products today than back in the days (one of them being the top down hierarchy where stupid "engineers" make wrong decisions on many aspects to reach the marketing strategy (lightweight, efficient, cheaper materials). your point is very much valid so I take back my say on german engineerinh
Nice. I personally have owned five J-body GMs (Cavalier, Sunbird, etc) and they were reliable crap. EVERYHTING except what was necessary to move the car broke. After repeating this with five mid-90's Toyotas (some made in US) the quality isn't that much better. Door handles and plastic parts break but it'll never leave you stranded.
Through the last decade German auto builders have
moved their quality control to the USA and financial
controlling to China. Do junk quality by weird management.
That's a joke now. Much earlier,
German cars were better but you had to pay extra
cash for each extra part of equipment. Just as it is
normal in a market economy. And the Japanese,
the Japanese, have always built their cars mostly
only with robots, which of course omits human error.
Those tanks are ridiculous. It's like 'what should we fill this space with?'
I've had the same quality problems with many car brands of that era...
I worked on my GM car this evening and had some success! I fixed the window motor on my 2008 Saab 93.
And where is SAAB now?
@@davidcady7194 Try typing the word SAAB into Google. Glad I could be of service.
@@bigjoeangel I did and it shows that SAAB as an automotive company dissolved in 2012. I was never disparaging SAAB. I was implying that under the "great" management of GM the company failed. They attempted to have a Chinese consortium purchase them but that was blocked by GM. Who in turn solid technology rights for SAAB to a Chinese company. So at this time the remnants of SAAB is called NEVS which manufactures an electric car based on the SAAB 9-3. Also SAAB AB still exists in the military aerospace industry. GM never got their hands into that part of SAAB.
That eagle sound in the begining 😆🤟
The funny thing is that it's actually a red-tailed hawk. Look it up.
it's a chicken! a screaming chicken. ;)
Lol it was perfect!
It’s a Firebird.
That was some pretty specific advice at the end about shipping your car to a small island! I must have missed the additional context for that one. 😂
You need to listen to what he says at the end, some it so out of the ballpark and funny. Go check the other ones he does at the end.
I had a 91 camaro rs so I feel you pain. Went through 14 alternators in a year. Best thing I ever did was pull that 180 hp 305 boat anchor with a 5 speed and swapped in an LS1 with a t56 6speed. This was late 90's.
>Went through 14 alternators in a year.
wut...
How many times did the driver's side interior door handle come off while you were closing the door? Four times on my brother's new 90's Camaro. Build quality was terrible.
@@williamswenson5315 Weirdly that actually never broke on mine. But the normal starter, alt, and fuel pump gremlins did bite me.
@@troy3456789 Yup, and GM in their infinite wisdom used 3 completely different bolts to mount it. Original one died and I think it was more of an auto zone problem with the replacements than anything else. They finally got tired of me coming in for warranty replacement and just gave me a new AC Delco alt.
@@stephenobrien1597 Yeah, the first time I drove it, I was left with it in my hand. It was an awkward moment when I returned his keys and the handle together. Two weeks later, the same thing happened to him which resulted in a similar awkward apology for being upset and angry. That car was a real conversation starter; if nothing else.
I had a 1987 Firebird, I experienced all of this. My distributor was junk, the replacement was junk. The ignition cylinder was junk. The radiator was junk. The interior panels were junk. The engine and transmission themselves were great, but literally everything else around it was complete junk. And yet I still miss it.
I had a 70 Chevelle long ago (wish I still had it) and the quality was miles better than the 80s GMs.
They had the wrong idea. They believe if you build them reliably, people won't replace them as often. They're pulling Apple Inc. tricks; and their engineering focuses on specific failure points in a time period, with the only option to replace at exorbitant cost.
They are now built to sell; not to own or drive for very long at all.
those containers are gigantic
That was my first reaction to seeing them too.
Golden Corral size.
That's what she said....
A great deal of production vehicles after the early 80s were riding the reputation rather than delivering quality. Real nice attention to details Winston. Stay awesome. Still working on transporting motor for you.
Polish & welds look beautiful! Great job in 🇺🇸.
Probably expensive, but worth every penny.
There was a serious lack of quality in American built cars for a long, long run. A lot of really cool and iconic designs, but damn, what a bunch of dogs.
As usual, great video! 🤘🏻
Many now have Chevy or GM on them, and they're not made in the USA anymore either (not that that was helpful in the late 70s, 80s, and 90s then anyway).
@@troy3456789 Japan kicked Detroit's ass to the curb during that time. What a shame.
@@jbbuzzable When American cars were made in Detroit they were actually not as horrible as they are now. In fact, Detroit itself wasn't as horrible as it is now. Detroit is the most dangerous city in the USA now, and Chevy & Chrysler Fiat & Jeep are all terrible.
@@jbbuzzable The early to mid 70s was basically the end of American greatness in most cars. Now, GM is only concerned with its stock prices; not the reliability of its vehicles. *Its job is to do a great job of selling them; not engineering them & building them*
@@troy3456789 In my opinion, it started when the US carmakers ignored the quality philosophy of Demming, and he went to Japan. They ran with it.
The overzealous union and corporate greed at the time just added to the fire, creating the perfect storm.
The Big 3 ignored all of the warning signs. It took them 20 or 30 years to catch on, but the damage had pretty much already been done.
I loved my 88 Formula 350. It had it's issues but it screamed. My ignition control module also failed but it was because of wires that attached to it in the distributor. They had corroded off.
In 1984 my buddies Dad bought a new Z28 we were 17. How we managed not to kill ourselves still shocks me.
Barely enough horsepower to move that heap 😆
Believe it or not new cars, BRAND NEW cars have lots of issues. Components, electronics and even rust happens on brand new cars way more often than you would believe
Check your alternator output. I once went through 5 ignition modules inside the distributor on my 2nd gen TA, due to an alternator overcharging the system due to a stuck, internal voltage regulator.
I drove an 86 Trans am for three years of my four years in college. I picked it up with 114k miles. I won’t lie, I beat the crap out of that car and it returned the favor in broken parts. I replaced everything in 3 years except the motor and transmission. Parts like the alternator, brakes, and starter, I replace them every 6 months. I had an autozone lifetime warranty on most of the parts. I had no idea it meant I had to replace them for a lifetime. Around 190k miles, the transmission started grinding in reverse. I started looking for another car. I didn’t want another f-body after the stuff I went thru with the TA. Just my luck, the only thing I found worth buying was a 88 Formula with 87k miles. I didn’t want to buy it but I was desperate. It ended up being one of the best cars I ever owned. I only had to replace the starter and fuel pump over 4 years.
Always love the updates on your proud birds and also "telling it like it is"...they were junk, but lovable junkers!!!! More power, more updates!!!
Winston Thank You For The Great Video.
I've had an 89 and currently have a 87 GTA.. and oh boy am I constantly fixing parts on it.. 😐
I once talked to a guy who was looking to have parts made in China. He said he was told flat out by his Chinese contact that he could build to what ever specs he wanted. He could have cheap parts or very high quality parts he just needed to pick his price point. My point is, sometimes it's the supplier that chooses to source cheap parts. I wish I new how many parts are exactly the same from the same factory just re-boxed with some priced expensive some priced cheap. I'm in the process of looking for replacement factory looking headlights for my 2000 GMC truck....dammed if I can figure out which are the best quality for a reasonable price. I don't even know if OEM are any better or just re-boxed Chinese parts.
I guess I am subscribed to your car channel, I recently just found your other channel. Good stuff man. Not alot lot people these days wanna expose the truth, they're too concerned about getting shut down/cancelled.
And I have 1994 Pontiac Firebird Formula, it's such an amazing car. I really like the 70s/80s Firebirds, you're right they don't make it how they use too.
Stay awesome! 🤙🙂
Was the new distributor made in China? :)
My thought as well. Wouldn't that be ironic?
@William Schwartz A good point. I don't know if the IM uses a heat sink, but if it does and it wasn't applied, that would be a resounding, "Yes!" If Winston didn't apply it and it is called for, he could get it at Radio Shack or a computer supply store. W
Possibly. And that might be a problem ( or it might not). It depends on how it was made. There are several different grades of components made in China ( or Taiwan, or Singapore or Vietnam). The bottom of the list is simply a copy of a copy. The quality control is almost non existent and the companies themselves have the life expectancy of a fruit fly at Martha Stewarts house. A rung up the ladder is the copy of a quality product. Again there is somewhat inferior quality control but a possible willingness to improve to the next step, which is the carbon copy. These are direct copies and have reasonable quality. Finally the last one is products designed by blueprint with very good quality control. Finding a quality product however can be difficult to ferret out, so far I have been lucky. Winston should have had another distributor to replace his. I have a box filled with new starter, alternator, belts and all the electrical components to completely replace the majority of underhood electronic ignition parts and keep me mobile. Being stuck on the side of the road on a busy LA freeway would be a world of suck.
@@blakenewton2781 Amusing comment about the fruit fly. Yeah, I suspect the paper trail would be difficult to follow if you were bird dogging the quality issue and I too, carry essential parts, tools and a full-sized spare tire in my GTI. As bad as LA freeways and some neighborhoods might be, the middle of nowhere is not an improvement.
Those pesky mountain bandits! Haha.
My dream car (it changes daily) is a 3rd gen camaro, basically your car and I am mentally prepared for breaking the cheap plastic on the interior and having to spend a little here and there for new ones.
Oh man, I have an 89 Trans Am GTA 5.7l with 84k original miles in _excellent_ condition & _every year_ I have to fix or replace _something!_ Now I have a cracked flywheel I need to replace this summer before it can be driven again, so I completely hear you. What that guy said I think he just means cars with personality & some sense of _soul._ And in that, I totally agree. They're tremendously fun cars once you get them proper.
You bring up a very good point! lol. I refer to it as GM electrics of the 80's. Every time I fixed something I thought it was DONE. Then I realized nearly everything was being replaced or TLC tinkered with at least every 2-3 years. Relays, Switches, etc. Window switches, mirror switches. With connector pins as wide as pencil erasers, you'd think they'd be robust. lol. I think that's why I have 3 Audi A6's now from 2005-2008. Audi's are very frustrating at times to service, but the repairs are pretty rare. 80's GM quality was pretty sketchy in a lot of areas. Some of it though, can be spruced up a bit. The saving grace of the third gen is that parts are typically inexpensive. I do love them. I love the immediate turn in (at least on mine), and the design aesthetics, at least on the GTA. I will own one as long as I can. ;)
0:22 top was my Dad's new in 86 minus the t-tops. 305, 5 spd, WS6. Not the fastest but was fun to drive I had an 84 Z like on the bottom except black, no t-tops, no orange stripe but mine was hooked up with engine mods, exhaust, gears, and beefy suspension. That car ran on rails. Out-corner any U.S. production car of the decade.
I sold those brand new. Youngest salesman to work at 100 year old dealership. Every demo was a new FIERO GT. EVEN THE LAST YEAR. GREAT CARS
I owned an 80 Buick Regal and an 86 Buick Grand National both 80s GM products and had no problems with either . Now the Pontiacs I had previously owned, 64-69-73 all gave me water pump and heater core issues. Now my sons have had Mitsubishis and Audis which were expensive disasters . I think you can get a lemon from any brand , some just cost more .
I mention about the distributor in my previous post. About the coolant tank, Plastic and rubber parts from China are garbage like you experienced on your cheap Chinese car. However there's a product called goop you may want to try next time, It's amazingly adhesive durable and resilient for repairing things like that tank and it may have worked. That tank does not hold any pressure so it only has to be mechanically strong watertight and temperature resistant up to the temperature of the coolant.
I appreciate your pain my friend. I'm currently resorting a 1997 trans am. Fix 1 thing and five more keep popping up. But, i love my car. Your channel is great so keep going.
Wow! I'm so glad I've found this channel! A great youtuber turns out to be a car guy as well!!!!!
Whenever I hear that phrase from someone, I like to bring up my 1970 Chevelle which has a service interval for re-torquing the body mount bolts every 50,000 miles. Imagine if a manufacturer tried that today.
#1 rule I have learned from working on cars for almost 40 years..... IF IT AIN'T BROKEN, DONT FIX IT!!!
As old as this car is, anything that isn't broken is pretty much guaranteed to be operating outside its original design specifications.
Aluminum is the only word that is acceptible in the way that the rest of the world pronounces it differently from the US. In that case we are the ones who changed the spelling. Every other metal ends with ium, titanium, magnesium, even Einsteinium. You win this round, South Africa.
The Gershwin brothers had something to say about this...
"They don't make them like they used to!"
What? Half assed, cheaply sourced, and unreliable? Haha.
I guess there is a point to older vehicles being easier to work on due to the reduced complexity of on-board computers and circuitry. It does feel nice to pop your hood and actually see the engine apposed to hunks of plastic. But I agree, I'm glad they don't make them like they used to. I'm also glad that we can still buy older vehicles to tinker with and modify.
It's also worth noting that old Japanese cars are really the only vehicles that don't have these issues. I recently started a new project on a 86 Porsche 959 and my god, it's a nightmare. It was the first time Porsche introduced liquid cooling... What American cars from this era lacked in regards to quality materials. The germans made for with overly, obnoxiously, complexity, and cramming shit into the tightest places with their little German hands.. Needles to say, the end result is the same. Cars from the 60s-90s are unreliable. Unless it's Japanese.
I agree with every point you have made here.
Painful about new parts failing--I was schooled on that when old industrial engine wouldn't run right after I replaced the points, didn't think it could be that just like here, but friend mechanic went *straight to new pts* when I mentioned it,...turned out the cam follower pivot was grounded to the base! I'd NEVER seen that before in decades of frequent pts maint and replacements and the parts shop was skeptical but put a meter on it and....continuity.
That guy in the Trans Am commercial at the end was going to get laid and he knew it.
"Beset by bandits..." LMAO, until I remembered.....he lives in LA......
In Orange County I recall, a lot of anti anti-Asian hate mobs....
They really don't make them Playboys like they used to!
haha more coming soon!
While I feel your pain in the cheap quality of GM cars, the upswing is there is a large online community dedicated to keeping these cars on the road, and no matter the issue, somebody somewhere has had it and has a fix for it. Ran into that plenty with my '97 Z28.
Looks like the same ICM that is used in the Pontiac Fiero. It's very common to keep a spare in the trunk just in case. Easy diagnosis of a faulty ICM is the tach doesn't move when cranking the engine.
Sorry for your trouble. I purchased my 83 Z28 in summer 2018 (after looking at 20+), super car and had NO rust! (Most important thing where I live.) it was not running and had a bent axle, but UN-molested, I got it dirt cheap. I knew that the engine didn't run because the Ignition Module was bad, and the axle I replaced for $35 from the junk yard. And I have driven it trouble free, and enjoyed it since, you cant beat these cars, totally build-able, massive aftermarket support, and just scream LS swap. Your white TA is nearly 500 lbs lighter than your black 77 TA. PS. GM control modules are known to fail, keep one available, you will know simply because there will be virtually NO electric power anywhere. Love your choice of cars. Cheers!
It's always the ICM, especially if you just replaced it and it died lol. Two things if the heat transfer paste isn't used it will die very quickly. Also often for what ever reason the distributor often has a weak ground that will kill the ICM. Add a ground wire.
Beyond that buy two and keep one in the "glove box" in the truck. Because it will die again.
Same with Chevy when they went away from points
I still have the original plastic tubs from my original 89 bird. I put in a new distributor 3 years ago no issues. Put a Delco fuel pump in 5 years ago still going strong. My car is not junk at all. I love my formula 350.
Ps: Indeed, your lucky that it failed at home. Imagine if it quit on you in the middle of a blm riot, Or somewhere in South Africa.
By the way, used to be a guy with the website that shows a lot of cheap effective upgrades for those Tbi engines. If I recall, a throttle body spacer was one of them.
That motor should also handle a 150 horse nitrous kit without harming the engine, and that will give you the throttle body space as part of it.
I think I even have one I've been saving for when I get an old hoopty.
BTW, The 350 Tbi Has a lot more torque and power if you ever drive to back-to-back.
Good luck and keep up the good videos, specially the ones where you stand up against the CP and educate people.
We have a whole generation of people now that are so blindingly ignorant of communism it's unbelievable, and I think it's been by design.
Thanks for the video.i still have my 79 t top formula from brand new.she still runs but needs to be gone through completely since it was my daily driver for 30 years.235000 miles on it.a awesome car to buy new when I was 18 making under four dollars an hour.that was my chick magnet back then.enjoy yours.
Awesome! Would love to see pics or a video of your formula
Had a 82 Camero.... Slow, V-6 piece of $hit... But WoW was that car a chick magnet!!!!
You have a great content! I really enjoy every episode, I own T/A GTA 88 and know Your pain. Regards Daniel.
Thanks mate!
I've replaced the ignition control module on my 1991 S-10 five times in 8 years.
@Winston, its American made. Its expected. Buy Japanese
Many Japanese cars are more American than Chevy anyway. My Camry and Tacoma were both made in the USA.
GTA VCS Maibatsu
There's some decent cam grinds for the 5.0, getcha some aftermarket injectors and exhaust a better tune. And a 3:73 rear gear and you can get alot of red light to relight street racing fun
Certified Gold!!!!!😎
Right. They don’t make them like they used to. In fact those were built ahead so their time I think. I’m so glad I still have my 91 Trans am t-tops.
The new homes in Irvine are basically the same, built very quickly with cheap parts, but they have demand and supply so they make extra bucks. The "too soon but necessary" home upgrades will need to be better quality.
Same as my bin or my sink basin. The plastic is impossibly thin. It’s a pain in the arse. Both cracked incredibly easilly
Nice Licorice Whip !
I love my third gen..specially the manual transmission
You need to vent that new coolant reservoir mate, like the cap was on your original one.
As an Alfa Romeo GT owner which engine blew up few weeks ago.. its one brand that still makes cars for car drivers
and for mechanics who would like to retire early.
@@williamswenson5315 i actually asked the mechanic that bought the car if he can sell the car back to me when he swaps the engine 😀
@@marko3296 Just about every owner says two things about Alfa's. They love the way they drive and they are mechanical nightmares. Still if you love something or someone, you learn to put up with the flaws and focus instead, on what you love about them.
The expansion tank is goegeous.
Covid has lead to a global parts shortage, which has led to some junk counterfeit parts. I broke an axle shaft on my Jeep TJ and it took me 3 months to get a new one. A mechanic friend of mine says about half the clutch and brake cylinders he's bought in the last six months have quickly failed. He says, for the time being, pay extra for OEM. Unfortunately, Chrysler no longer makes the clutch hydraulics for my Jeep so I have to roll the dice.
I love it "Lets talk GM quality, or the lack thereof"!!!! I'm laughing. I've never owned vehicles with so many weird troubles as Chevy cars and trucks. I've owned several of them, and I'm sick of them, and I will never own another one. If you give me a brand new GM product, I'll sell it ASAP.
If they don't make them like they used to, I suggest you wait another 25 years, none of the cars made today will ever come close to lasting as long as the cars of yesteryear. Yes there may be some cheap parts used in production back then, but the heart of these cars is what was made to last. Gen 1 SBC engines will far outlast anything made today.
As an American; who has much experience with cars over the decades, there is a reason I drive Toyotas
GM must have been the same is every market. GMH Holden was excactly the same in Australia. The Australian GM's were assembled in the 80/90's with some sort of hard brittle plastics that seem to discolour & shrink in the Australian sun. Chasing parts to restore an 80's or 90's Commodore is such a challenge now , that interior parts in usable condition have gone through the roof .. price wise
its like with old swords handed down from generation to generation... one replaces the blade, another the handle, then sb the crossguard and pommel... keeps the thing alive..
"Planned obsolescence" started earlier than we were led to believe....
Thats a lovely tank upgrade...so nice and shiney😊👍
Boy, you're not telling me any news about 3rd gen F bodies! I worked at the Chevy dealership from '88 to '92. Then I went to the Buick dealership until '95. Got to work on the brand new junk! Even worse than the F bodies was the Beretta and Corsica. Factory recalls for failing door hinges. The hinge first world seize then snap. Extra weight on the other hinge would snap that one, too! That dropped the door to the ground! Same hinges were on the Lumina's, too. Those were the days! Won't even get into the Astro vans or the Lumina APV (the all plastic vehicle). How about the new Nova? You know the re-badged Toyota? GEO? Joke and a half! Even after all that, I'm still a classic GM guy.
Was going to recommend you get an aluminum replacement for the water bottle, good choice :)
I've got an early 90's Holden V8 in Australia and almost every new direct replacement part I've purchased has been junk, issues with the distributor were identical to yours.
It's definitely better to buy locally reconditioned, at least the mechanics / auto elecs doing the rebuilding process have had experience in choosing every little replacement part that goes into the main product being rebuilt.
My cousin had one of these back in the day it had the tuned port injection and had transmission and rear-end work that car was scary the top of the car had stress fracture from the rear end twisting people could not set in the backseat when he got on it because the seats got hot from the tire when he did a burnout
You talk about how big and ugly the coolant expansion tank is, but I look at that circular air filter and corrugated intake hose and I want to barf. New engines look so much better without those awful things sitting on top and obscuring the valve covers.
Welcome to the world of 80’s GM . Every Fiero owner knows to carry an extra ICM in their car for this very reason! 😆
I keep a spare one in my Trans Am along with some computer thermal paste. I would only get like 2 years out of them. AC Delco ones lasted longer than other ones. They always failed in the summer too.
Did it ever catch fire?
@@williamswenson5315 Lol, no. That’s kind of an urban legend . The 84’s were the only Fieros with fire problems and they were all recalled.
I’ve owned an 86, 87, and 88 and not one ever caught fire.
@@wingedhorsegarage473 Thank you for both the reply and the recall information. Based on the handle, I'd guess in my usual perceptive way, that you are an expert on these cars. My comment was based, not on facts, but on anecdotes. I did see one, gloriously aflame by the roadside years ago and the other one, belonged to a close friend. That one, sensibly decided to combine vigorously with oxygen in front of a firehouse. He is a bit bemused to this day, when he describes the casual way one of the firemen strolled over and doused it with an extinguisher. That one was repaired and he kept it for years despite the non-stop ribbing he took from the rest of us about the "Moro Castle" and "General Slocum". He loved that car.
love my 87 iroc z t top, 5.7 and t5 swapped
I'd put more blame on manufacturer of the parts more so than the auto manufacturers. You said it, you bought new parts, and they broke. Consider that those exact parts you had in your hand didn't EXIST when your car was made, so, you can't blame GM at the time. Given experience with how parts fail, the owness of quality belongs on the remanufacturer more so than GM (Or Ford or Chrysler or whatever Import).
Being that we're a 'throw away society', I'm not seeing a lot of older cars out on the road unless they're cars like your FB. There seems to be a certain cut off in age. I'm not seeing many cars (As in residential based cars, not commercial trucks and other real utility based vehicles) that were made prior to 2000 anymore, and if I do, they're really is a gap between 80s and 90s to anything modern. I've been pretty damned lucky with my 20 years of full on personal car ownership. (1987 Camaro, 1991 Mazda Protege 323, 1994 Pontiac Sunbird, 2003 Grand Am, 2011 Impala). The WORST I've had, with the exclusion of body work, is my Impala (At just about 200K km) is I'm starting to suspect the engine is starting to drink coolant and oil and spitting it out the tail pipe. Didn't have that problem with any of the other cars, and I've owned and drove all of these cars for 6-10 years before I sold them, or bone-yarded them.
So for those cars that one could tie emotion to (Like Trans Ams, Camaros, Mustangs, Novas, and all them) yeah, they're specialty items, and only the crazies get them upgraded for longevity (I am one of those crazies). But I don't see people holding close to the Lemans, the Neons, the 6000s, Probes, etc. They're typically found in the junk yard when they're aged enough. I DID however see a Chrysler Celebrity just the other day...
You could look at repairs as well, but, even then... Cars are mechanical beasts, and no matter the manufacturer, they're going to break. It's just that when that $0.05 part breaks that it could take down the entire car. I know a guy who bought a BRAND NEW Ford truck, and returned it after a year of ownership because plastic oil pan become brittle and broke and leaked oil all over the floor, not once, not twice, but three times, and he had to pay for the repair on the 3rd go around. Because apparently its his fault plastic gets brittle in cold weather?
As your distributor was made in modern times, I'd put blame on the manufacturer of that exact PART, not the manufacturer of the vehicle.
Absolutely..I have an 03 mustang GT and I love suspension mods....
Could be plastics are aging out. Sometimes aftermarket parys are crap too.
I had an 86 2.8 multiport camaro in the early 90's and ran it well past 300000kms. Never easy on it. I think I change the throttle body once and otherwise just maintenance .
Pulled the plugs out at 300thou and they were burnt clean off. Still ran. Lol
Most of the reproduction parts today come from China or another area country. Low volume + Low cost = Junk
I bought '83 Z-28 new...the F-bodies were rattle traps. I could fill the ashtray in a month with screws that fell out from under the dash.
On to your comment about replacing front and parts, Are they made in China from auto zone?
Within a 2 week, I saw 2 Chevy vehicles that had recently replaced the lower control arm ballpoint with one from auto zone.
Both of them within a year had the Ball pull completely out, And the Full wheel assembly Fell off and got shoved up into the wheel well and bashed into and dented the fender. They both had to be towed home.
This is no joke or made up story, I have pictures of both, and one of them is a personal friend.
China ruins everything, But clueless people don't care because the prices are low in the think there getting a good deal.
O and I forgot, I tried to get a water pump for my LT4 SS impala that was not made in China and guess what?
No one, not even Any GM dealer Carries one. All of them are made in China.
There's nothing more American than a Chevy , But not anymore. The thought that you wouldn't even be able to find any factory engine parts for the most common V8 engine ever made in the world, small block Chevy, without relying on China would have been unthinkable if you said that 20 years ago.
Even after searching dealers across America for a real American made water pump, I never found one but finally found 1 made in Canada from a dealership in Canada and had it shipped down.
You would not have had most of the problems that you are if you could still get parts that were made in America, Specially if they were old stock from the area close to the year of your car.
To be honest, your rusty old distributor if it was original is probably more reliable and will last longer than that Communist garbage put in :)
There is a difference between the original parts which lasted 20+ years vs reproduction parts. Reproduction parts are hit or miss, this is the case for newer cars too. Honda for example, has a lot of aftermarket junk and it's lead to most honda owners knowing they need to get replacement parts from Honda rather than aftermarket.
The comment "they don't make them like they used to" is not necessarily a quality comment, I throw it around when I run into a part like the race hubs cs internal hub and wheel assembly, it was just a different mindset with engineering. Also if you read the service manuals of cars of this vintage, wheel bearings needed to be replaced every 30k and were inspected every 15k. About the same time in the 80's there were other brand makers who had cars on the road with over 500k miles on them, it did point out these quality issues of American brands was not keeping up with europe and asian brands.
Spot on on the assessment of quality, but also realize the time frame, was a different time.
We Americans know those era cars we shit-built; that's why everyone started driving Toyotas. But they had style! And they went fast in a straight line - when they were running.
In one way you are right. These cars quality even when new were absolute shit! But then I think, in 20 or 30 years will a 2020 Camaro be as easy to work on and replace parts?
I got the same overflow tank as you but in black. But it's, not just that old tank that is an issue, my 2013 Holden (Chevy) Cruze has had 3 of those tanks replaced. so much so that I brought an extra one and since then, I have not had an issue...
One of the reasons I ls swapped mine all new parts would always fail, especially the icm they constantly go always keep a spare with you. I like the aluminum overflow tank, I replaced mine with a fourth gen that replaces the battery tray
I am sure you know this, but you have a very rare car! Like 1 of 375!!
I have a T/A Gta 88 and I totally understand what you. Questionable quality but I love it. Like almost every car from the 80s. What annoys me is the bad quality of aftermarket parts!
Thanks. Miss my red Camaro with t top and golden cloth interior.
My car - really since I got it in 2014 .. once a year would not start; and would almost leave me stranded. Take it in and all is fine. This winter and it continues now it more consistently does not start; say once a week, but I know to just pause retry and in 3 or 4 retries suddenly it starts like nothing was wrong. 2004 Chrysler 2.7 V6 (89k) .. the last time it was in was a month ago and they said the computer was operating just perfectly, they could not want things to be more perfect; tested everything apparently .. said basically we need it wait for it to get worse. Once started it seems perfectly fine, so I can use it to get to places safely .. just drives me nuts how it just turns over occasionally when you want to go somewhere. Ideas ...
I've said it time and again, "Metal. Give me metal!"
Its so sketchy, I just bought a hyper rare 91 bird convertible with the factory performance rear end.. Its one of 100 made for the year, white, 305 tbi, I love how they drive though.. Thats the allure, ive driven m5s,a lambo, bentleys, countless vettes and mustangs and these cars have a fun driving dynamic one might dare call soul. Little word to the wise, hawksthirdgen for parts, and buy a wonderbar for the front end. Stiffens the car and prevents the steering box from cracking the subframe. Five minute bolt in, its an experience for sure, when it comes to ignition parts, go acdelco, I found the OEM stuff for these works best, that duralast module is on borrowed time. Keep a screwdriver and a spare HEI module on hand, thank me later good sir. As for caps, accel caps work amazingly, plugs, r45ts, night and day difference after I changed them out.
Is that the Gunship Dark All Day cassette? lol
My 88 IROC had no problems at all.
good ol mtn bandits
THE ONE THING THAT CATCHES MYEYE RIGHT AWAY IS THE VICE GRIP ON THE DRIVERS SIDE! LMAO...I know the feeling man.....should get those gas struts asap as they are cheap and easy to get,, but for me and my F150 its harder because im in ASIA
PS:LET ME DEAL WITH THE BANDITS IN THE MOUNTAINS....youre in the city so you will be just fine!
Why is the expansion tank so huge? Is it because it’s a large engine? Good job though Winston the aluminium tank looks the dogs nuts👍🏼
I can't believe you got rid of the Corvette for that p.o.s I worked as a Chevrolet and Pontiac dealer tech and those made us a lot of money until they went away. As you know most parts made off shores so quality suffered