So i bought my 1986 v6 firebird off my neighbor, and the heater core was leaking onto the carpet. Very first issue I addressed. It took a lot of cursing, praying, and gymnastics, but I did manage to replace it by myself and it's holding up 2 years later without a problem. The biggest pain was connecting the coolant lines through the firewall, but every job has its quirks.
12:15 They introduced this closing mechanism because apparently people used to slam the trunk with the big integrated back window and the window would shatter sometimes.
The build quality was all over the place from my experience back in the day. From car to car and depending on what plant it was built at. My sister had a loaded blue 87 Z-28 with the TPI305 700r4. Which was a bucket of bolts compared to the 89 Formula 350 I had a few years later. The Camaro was made in Van Nuys CA, my Firebird was built in Canada. If I remember correctly....Nice car btw, I wish I still had my Formula✌
It’s funny bc I use to hear old timers even talk about what day of the week their engines were built. You definitely didn’t want a Friday afternoon haha.
In 1989 to my knowledge Van Nuys was the only plant making Firebirds and Camaros. I worked there at the time so I probably had a hand in building and possibly even drove your car in the final process test. I had a soft spot for the Firebird Formula over even the Trans Ams except the anniversary Trans Am and that car was a beast! The only other plant that produced “F” cars ( Camaro and Firebird ) was Norwood Ohio and and production ended Aug 26, 1987. Production ended at Van Nuys Aug 7 1992. The 4th generation production was moved to Sainte-Therese Quebec.
I had the ‘87 six cylinder Firebird coupe (in that red color) for 12 years from new. I loved the car, so much fun to drive!! The only downsides were frequent replacement of alternators, lots of brake work, and a leaking T-roof. In Canada yearly rustproofing (Krown) was a requirement for a Firebird.
When it comes to dash cracks if you don't want to replace you can get a cover that will hide cracks or even protect a new replaced pad and it has cut outs for defrost vents.
Great video! one thing more to check for is the steering wheel tilt, bolts can back out and cause slop in the wheel, it’s usually a matter of just re tightening the 4 bolts.
@@garfunkelsgarage2509 Your Formula was/is probably lighter and cost significantly less than the average GTA. Luxury options (like power seats) increase weight.
I had an ‘89 Iroc brand new. Another thing to check are cracked A pillars. I tweaked both of mine from drag racing it and basically just driving it hard.
I had to replace the heater core in my 92 Camaro after I bought it in 1997. It was an absolute beast of a job. By the time I got it all put back together I had a whole cup of bolts and screws left over lol. It was a great car though. I had it for 15 years and almost cried when I sold it. It was my first car.
Figured you didn't have a smart phone when you did this job originally back in the day, but now its a good idea to take pictures with your phone as you take it apart so you can reference what goes where when putting it back together :)
I own a 1987 Iroc-Z 5.7L TPI car w/T-Tops I purchased from the original owner when I was 21. I still own it to this day 25 years later, it's still all original and stock. There is A LOT of incorrect information out there on 3rd generation cars.
@@garfunkelsgarage2509 as the years went on I found this out myself, people would tell me or say that it was not factory but it’s on the build sheet and original window sticker.
I have a 84 z28 bought it bran new 39 years ago I did a restoration on it took me 5 years new body parts from a junk yard in California because That OEM stuff my body man told me to send it back redid the whole car Frame connector s 383 stroker rebuild 5 speed transmission re did the interior it took 5yrs I been enjoying it since Iwill never let it go
I had an 81 Celica that had long doors with frameless windows like that, and the biggest problem with the door hinges sagging was that it would eventually cause the window to hit the side of the car before the door closed. It wouldn't damage the window, but the window mounting carriage would break if the window was repeatedly hit like that. It would cause the window to rock back and forth in the door when it was rolled all the way up, and you couldn't adjust it to be rigid because it was the angle adjuster that would break.
I bought a 91 firebird and this helped me a lot. I knew just what to look for, my car is a 5 speed manual with a 350 under the hood. The dude said it was on it's second engine so I lucked out.
GM added the automatic pull down on the rear hatch out of the Cadillac due to the weight of the rear glass breaking from people slamming the rear hatch.
I was able to use a variety of universals and extensions as a young lad to get heater core swapped. Using a right angle drive made quick work of heater hoses at firewall. Basically I was able to only partial pull dash back. Removing the dash pad helps, but it's doable. I didn't have to remove the dashboard. I merely pulled it back enough. BTW, THe Firehawk had a ZF 6 Speed manual, and was a 350. A rare combo is the mating of a 350 with T-Tops. They did happen, at least in some Camaro's I've seen.
That speedo was definitely swapped. Your car has the LB9 MK6 MM5 and GM3 and J65 codes. Which was the 230 hp 3.45 gears with the 9 bolt rear disc setup which was the best 5 speed engine combo you could ever get on a third gen. That combo would of came with the 140 Speedo. The standard LB9 M39 5 speed with the 3.08 rear gears and 10 bolt drums would of came with the 120 Speedo.
That makes a lot of sense. Why would the bird have all those options but the base speedo? Not sure if you saw the over conversation about the car but I mention that the carfax said this bird had 180k miles while the broken speedo in it now ways 120k. I need to go buy a 140 and make things right. Thanks for the informative comment!
@@garfunkelsgarage2509 the car shows well for the miles then. Never would of figured it would of showed near 200k miles in its present state. The odometer quit on my 140 speedo in my 89 formula too, but its Ls1 swapped now so idc about the miles its not an original car anymore. The 86-92 firebird gauge clusters were manufactured by denso back in the day and they had prone failures on plastic odo gears. The camaros didn't really have that issue since they were manufactured by a different company. The previous owner probably wanted a functional odometer and put the 120 gauge in maybe. The reason GM made the pull down hatch back then because GM was dealing with to many warrenty claims of people slamming the hatch and glass exploding and it was said when the windows are up and l doors closed for some reason the hatches didnt want to close for some reason and people would try slamming the hatch. Thats why GM mandated all the f bodies 86-92 for the pull down setup.
That’s an interesting tidbit about the Camaro/Firebird odometer manufacturing differences. Also I bet you’re correct about those hatch glasses exploding. That’s pretty cool you have an LS swapped thirdgen. You have a blue Firebird right? I think I saw you post it on the thirdgen fb group yesterday.
@@garfunkelsgarage2509 yes the blue formula is mine. I was able to get some good news for a little vacation time from work so i can get to the GM Nationals all the way from Florida. Ive owned about 6 of these cars in a span of almost 20 years now, my parents bought a few of them new so they were always in my life growing up. Im always on the look out for a nice original third gen too, or nice ones with tasteful mods done them.
Well feel free to message me if if you want to stop by on your way to nationals. I’m right off 75. I think @fireballmullet might stop by too. I’m wanting to let the bird go soon. I’ve got a bad back and need something more comfortable. I just need it to go to a good home and it sounds like you appreciate them.
Had love hate thing with the Tops, loved driving with them off on nice days or nights But hated when they leaked when washing car or driving in the rain . Watch out for water leaking down windshield pillars and collecting in front footwell ,common on T top cars.
Great vid..couple things to add! The driversside strut tower loves to start to rust where the cap meets the welds. Also, the floor board stabalizer braces. They arent available to purchase so you need to find donors if you plan on replacing floor pans since the bottoms eat away on these cars. If youre really looking for a mint car, look in the trunk under the passanger side carpet for a cut in the top of thee wheel welll. Fuel pumps are replaced there often. Replacing the fuel pump takes dropping the exhaust, suspension..ect..then the tank. Often..people will cut a trap door in the trunk to access the pump. These cars are super fun because of the torque..altho not fast. But they are awesome cars...just rust buckets. 91 gta 5.0 tpi
I could be mistaken, but another easy way to find out any codes your computer could be flashing is by putting key into ignition, turning it to accessory, back to off, back to accessory, then back to off, then back to accessory and leave it there. It will then do flashes to tell you the codes it has for check engine. This is the case for most GM cars of that generation.
March under drive pulleys, for sure... Skip the chip, drill out the airbag, and run some black dryer vent hose for better air flow, carefully remove the screen from the MAF... You will notice the difference!... My 89 5.0 TPI WS6 formula 5 speed was a screamer for it's day...
My 89 formula 305 5 speed with a mint dash, is completely rust free except it's front rockers, the pinch welds on each side directly up front have a hole that stretches into the floorboard and some rot on the t top rails. Which sucks because everything else is rust free. The cars been the most reliable car I've ever owned. Has taken every form of abuse from being a daily and still keeps going.
I’m always happy I live in the south. Both thirdgens I’ve owned have been rust free. Hope you can repair yours fully one day so the next generation can abuse it too 😎
Nice video with good info, the heater core is a pain but is easier on the Birds because you can remove that plastic trim panel above the hush panel to gain access to that infamous last bolt for the heater box. Also not a bad idea to pull the passenger seat but if your limber you can still get it done in place.
I bought a rust free gen 3 so i thought until i checked the fire wall , wiper assembly bulk head to find it rusting from the inside . suggest you remove covers and check that as well.
That’s definitely not a place I would think to check. I wonder if yours had a mouse nest or something living in there collecting moisture from mouse pee. Or just leaves and stuff in there. I looked at mine when I got it and I think I vacuumed out all the leaves.
I have an 84 transamp original owner.42803 miles 305 I output 6 speed at 5 speed this week.Yeah, I just got needs a little too healthy and I got a 97 formula.That's the monster car
What you ssid for the hatch overhang may be valid for some. I've noticed that most times that's not the case. A good majority of the time it's due to the hatch hinge being bent out of shape. Open the hinge and look at the hinge and see if the metal is bowed out in the center. The metal isn't extremely strong and alot of people have swapped them out for the billet ones because of it.
i had a quote fo $406.23 to replace the heater core in my 86 iroc,not near the $1000 and the whole dash doesnt really have to come out,i replaced the heater core myself and save that money and nothing broke....
@@garfunkelsgarage2509 I mean I didn't know why, until my uncle told me. I just thought they put it there as a gimmick to make it "futuristic" I didn't know that was the real purpose of the thing
There is an easier way to replace the heater core in these third gens taking the dash out. It can be accessed from the interior as well as the engine bay without taking out the entire dash and save a lot of time.
heyas, can you tell me where you got the graphic of the IROC by year at the 4:15 mark? I have an 86 with the 2 tone paint that I have never seen before. the way you pan only show the tail end. There is some confusion of the IROC's of that year. I have the fog lamps, the tic tac toe lights but its white with gray ground effects.
These cars were definitely lacking HP, but was some of the best looking cars around. I have an 87 GTA 5.7 that's getting an LS T-56 swap, and a 9" Moser. When done I'm going to gap pretty much whatever I want to on the street! A lot of people are doing this now days and it's money well spent. When mine is done I'm putting a personalized license plate on it that's going to say, 392 LOL!! I've owned mine for 25 years, have the wonder bar and a lot more UMI goodies on it. Also have Koni shocks and struts, replaced the factory rear spoiler with a fiberglass one from Hawks Motor Sports.
Wow 25 years! That’s quite impressive. Sounds like you’ll have a perfect setup in that car for power and delivery. The big question is, have you made it comfortable to ride in? I know those konis are a big improvement but how about the seats?
@@garfunkelsgarage2509 Yeah, suspension is definitely ready. I have a set of seats out of an 05 GTO I'm going to put in it. A friend of mine put a set in his GTA, they're really comfortable! I also have a Cosmos Metallic Purple GTO, it's very comfortable but doesn't handle as good as the GTA.
Yes - the sleek styling of the 3rd gens deserves much more power and a manual trans to match! I bought my TA new 32 years ago. I also installed a wonder bar, Koni Sports and the fiberglass spoiler (oh yeah, a Vortech SC also).
thanks for the video! was unaware of the steering box situation. im looking at one right now. its been sitting in a garage for 15 years and in that time never started up. flat tires, old fuel in the tank. its a 5.0 formula with a t-5. it rear ended a car a few years before off the road and had a new radiator support welded in. the front drivers pillar has rust, underneath the t tops has rust. dents and dings. underneath is mint, no rust. i didnt check the steering box so that scares me, but can it be welded?? the radiator is half full, and the oil on the dip is clean. it's basically a total nightmare- and thats part of it's charm for me. im kind of a gambling man and the odds aren't great but the way this car found me I feel like its a sign. im the kind of guy that tends to give everyone and everything a chance. im gonna fix it up like im dr frankenstein!! had one 20 years ago, crashed it like an idiot and am looking for a little redemption ;-) my family thinks im crazy for wanting it but sometimes people can't see the vision im seeing and how much passion I have to save it. i can do everything down to top end engine work and i can mig weld. wish me luck!!
Well you already know you could find a better one to work on. As long as you understand in your head it’s not an investment and it’s just for fun then it sounds like the right car. As far as welding up the steering box area I’m not entirely sure how well it holds up. If you’ve got the time an energy for that old bird then have fun she’ll be a big part of your life.
To solve the problem in your trunk some people drill new holes for the nuts and move it a little higher. after ttat they put silicone or epoxy. i hope this helps.
It’s crazy how fast they actually are. I had this bird and an 06 mustang GT that was cammed and had some other cool mods and the bird always felt faster.
@@garfunkelsgarage2509 yeah birds are my favorite. I had alot of 77-81 birds but 3rd gens i had 2 irocs and 4 or 5 birds and a 91 z28 convertible and a 91 rs convertible same color at the same time.
She's beautiful! Long live the third gen F bodies , Pontiac Firebirds and Chevy Camaros! One of the best videos ever on these cars. Subbed. Lord have mercy, baby's got her t tops off 😍🇺🇸
@@garfunkelsgarage2509 There is 3 bolts on the tilt mechanism that need retighten. The steering wheel and turn signal mechanism need to be removed. 2 bolts are fairly easy to get to. The last one is harder to get to and the column would have to be taken apart further. Locktite the 2 bolts that I could get to and is fine. It's probably more of a GM thing rather than a 3rd Gen specific.
@@MAJorgy70 Yes, it was a GM issue back then. I have tightened over 100 steering columns now. I too just tightened the 2 you could actually get to, and they were fine afterwards.
The last heater core I replaced in a Third Gen took literally 45 minutes to replace and I didn't break anything. You do not have to take the entire dash out.
You can replace the heater cores in about an hour without taking a single bolt out of the dash if you just drill a small access hole behind the map compartment glove box thing. I did it on my 92 firebird. Unless you're really anal about keeping it all original I think it's totally worth it, you'd never even know there was a hole there with the map compartment in place.
You're wrong about the weight of the hatch sliding the deck lid back. Thats unfortunately a widespread incorrect diagnosis of that very common problem. It's actually your hatch hinges that bend. Take a look next time you pop your hatch. You'll notice they have a bend in them. They should be flat. Lol. Hawks sell reproduction ones made of billet aluminum that correct the issue and your don't have to adjust your decklid. But you do need to know what your doing replacing the hinges or your shatter the glass.
I hope you’re right, I’ve been debating buying those hinges for a couple years. I posted what my hinges look like on the thirdgen fb group awhile back and most people said it was the decklid
Yeah, I've gotten into it with people on those fb groups about this issue. It erks me. I feel like the people who are in denial about it being the hinges are just too cheap to buy a set so they adjust the deck lid instead. And it may realign your decklid but it's not actually correcting the issue. And you might do all that work adjusting your decklid and it still doesn't move back far enough. Everyone whos had this issue and has replaced the hinges has corrected the decklid issue. If you adjust your decklid, then decide to get the hinges after, you'll have to adjust your decklid again. I actually have a folder in my phone from screen shots I've taken from the fb groups with people arguing about this subject. I have tons of pictures of people showing their before and after shots on the third gen hinges. They do bend. The ones in my 84 are bent and my hatch is pushed back a bit. I need to order a set myself, just have more pressing issues I'm resolving first.
They are very misunderstood cars and unfortunately they often wind up with people that have zero patience subpar mechanical common sense. It's extremely rare that you find these cars with the electrical system that wasn't molested. I had to pass on soo many 3rd gens that I had to settle on one with a blown engine because it was less of a headache to deal with than backyard bubba's Mickey mouse electrical hack job. All three third gens that I have owned, the most time I've spent on any of them was fixing the electrical hack jobs on these poor cars.
This video made me give up on searching for Firebird to buy. I'm so f**kin' sad right now. I seen and read other reviews, and I'll turn my head to post 2012 Challenger instead.
@@garfunkelsgarage2509 I had two 30+ years old BMW's (e30 and e34). They were great machines. But time needed to fix things on them was just over the top. It wouldn't be a problem if I were single and living with parents. Also I need a vehicle that I can be sure of its reliability when I'd want to drive 1000miles on a trip and go back home. Firebird was always my dream car. Its sleek shapes, V8 roar and built kinda sportwise always catched my heart. Yet brain tells me it will be a beatiful pain in the ass rather than sheer driving pleasure as BMW's were if they were running.
@@TransAmDrifter tbh I’d rather drive one of those BMWs 1000 miles over a thirdgen. I love the looks of a thirdgen but after about 15m I’m ready for something more comfortable.
Entertaining video. loved the Hyundai comparison bit. :D Glad to see you went for the stick-shift, even with the sewing machine motor. Disgusting to have a 305 sbc in a Pontiac. Detroit went down hill after 1970, with the loss of compression, then in 75, with the advent of the catalytic converter, and finally in 82, when GM forced Pontiac to degrade themselves with that motor. Shameful.
@@joequillun7790 it is a wc. Maybe at some point the original engine will go and I’ll put a more powerful engine in. I’d like to keep the TPI solely bc of looks and maybe procharge it. Then back it with a LT1 T56.
@@joequillun7790 tunnel rams are awesome! I just like the original looks of older cars. From wheels to radios. I just preserve the time capsule that they are.
@@CPMest81 they most definitely did not. And actually I was incorrect. It was the '86 model year that all TPI equipped 'birds got the 140mph speedometer. The federal 55mph speed limit was rescinded at the end of 1985; so it's possible some '86 models were still built with the 85mph speedo. But TPI models all rolled off the line with the 140mph speedo - especially if it was the L98. That said, since Formula and base trans am models could be had with a carbureted/tBi fuel injection V8, those cars rolled out of the factory with the 120mph speedo.
@@erikcorredor255 you're correct about the l98 perhaps coming factory with 140 but lb9 still came with a 120mph, or like I said, for what ever reason hundreds maybe even thousands of people switched them from 140 to 120.
Interesting conversation. I definitely don’t have a 140 speedo sitting in my eBay cart bc I’m a sucker for originality…. Guess I’ll need to find out if the 120 is original or not.
I owned a few of these when they were newer in the 90's and loved them, recently i got the itch and picked up an 89 IROC that is pretty solid but needs a bit of love. What I've concluded after getting back into one after a 20 some odd year absence is that the material and overall build quality on these cars is appallingly bad! And I don't make that statement lightly, I've owned numerous GM cars over the years and still daily drive a 2009 G8 GT which Is an amazing machine. The rattles and clanks and body flex on these cars is just unacceptable, combine that with the extra stiffly sprung IROC or GTA and the ride quality is a terrible experience on anything but a glassy smooth highway. The second Gen cars were just a way more solid ride (although not perfect either) GM in the 80's-90's was just trash and it makes total sense to me now why they went bankrupt, they cheeped out and lost all their loyal customers and then just couldn't win them back even when they improved their quality in the 2000's. I mean even my wife's 2005 Grand Am is a massive improvement in interior materials and build quality and ride compared to the third Gen's.
Nothing but agreement from me. They’re uncomfortable, they rattle, built cheap… but they look cool as hell and they’re fun to drive. I would never want to daily my Firebird but you bet your butt I love taking her around the block and watching the kids smile, wave, give a thumbs up. Sure you can get a better built car but these things are iconic and a piece of history.
Oh and yes they do come out with a 5-speed manual 88-89 Trans Am GTA and the 87 Trans Am also come with a 350 as well so that there was just a lie that you just told
The thumbnail has one of my 5 must own cars and my real dream vehicle the A-10 Warthog. Awesome
They’ll be gone soon… F35 is replacing them on base
So i bought my 1986 v6 firebird off my neighbor, and the heater core was leaking onto the carpet. Very first issue I addressed. It took a lot of cursing, praying, and gymnastics, but I did manage to replace it by myself and it's holding up 2 years later without a problem. The biggest pain was connecting the coolant lines through the firewall, but every job has its quirks.
Glad you fixed it instead of by passing it. It’s always worth it to do it the right way.
12:15 They introduced this closing mechanism because apparently people used to slam the trunk with the big integrated back window and the window would shatter sometimes.
I have owned 6 second gen cars over 30 yrs ago. This guy knows his stuff.
Appreciate it!
The power hatch pull down was added in 86 because people kept slamming the hatch too hard and breaking the very expensive rear glass
Everyone apparently knew that but me 😂
Sourced the electric hatch pull down off an '86 GTA, but it's not a bolt on to my '83 TA.
The build quality was all over the place from my experience back in the day. From car to car and depending on what plant it was built at. My sister had a loaded blue 87 Z-28 with the TPI305 700r4. Which was a bucket of bolts compared to the 89 Formula 350 I had a few years later. The Camaro was made in Van Nuys CA, my Firebird was built in Canada.
If I remember correctly....Nice car btw, I wish I still had my Formula✌
It’s funny bc I use to hear old timers even talk about what day of the week their engines were built. You definitely didn’t want a Friday afternoon haha.
@@garfunkelsgarage2509 Or a hung over Monday morning!
@@chrisyeahbuuwassrileegowyn9279 😂 true
Pontiac owners seem to agree their F body was built better than a Camaro they've experienced.
In 1989 to my knowledge Van Nuys was the only plant making Firebirds and Camaros. I worked there at the time so I probably had a hand in building and possibly even drove your car in the final process test. I had a soft spot for the Firebird Formula over even the Trans Ams except the anniversary Trans Am and that car was a beast! The only other plant that produced “F” cars ( Camaro and Firebird ) was Norwood Ohio and and production ended Aug 26, 1987. Production ended at Van Nuys Aug 7 1992. The 4th generation production was moved to Sainte-Therese Quebec.
Had an 86 firebird 5 spd for my 1st car, red with silver at bottom. Loved that car.
I had the ‘87 six cylinder Firebird coupe (in that red color) for 12 years from new. I loved the car, so much fun to drive!! The only downsides were frequent replacement of alternators, lots of brake work, and a leaking T-roof. In Canada yearly rustproofing (Krown) was a requirement for a Firebird.
When it comes to dash cracks if you don't want to replace you can get a cover that will hide cracks or even protect a new replaced pad and it has cut outs for defrost vents.
Yup that’ll work too.
Great video! one thing more to check for is the steering wheel tilt, bolts can back out and cause slop in the wheel, it’s usually a matter of just re tightening the 4 bolts.
Good tidbit!
Nice car btw, I’ve got a rust free 87 GTA factory 5Speed 😀
@@87-GTA I love the gtas!!! Always wish my car was instead of a formula
Steering wheel tilt happened with my 92 gta
@@garfunkelsgarage2509 Your Formula was/is probably lighter and cost significantly less than the average GTA. Luxury options (like power seats) increase weight.
🫶🏾✊️✊🏿✊🏻✊🏽✊🏾🇺🇸🫡 4:17. Decal location... awesome.
I had an ‘89 Iroc brand new. Another thing to check are cracked A pillars. I tweaked both of mine from drag racing it and basically just driving it hard.
I think I heard something similar about C3 vetts if you take the top off and drive them or jack them they get out of wack.
I had to replace the heater core in my 92 Camaro after I bought it in 1997. It was an absolute beast of a job. By the time I got it all put back together I had a whole cup of bolts and screws left over lol. It was a great car though. I had it for 15 years and almost cried when I sold it. It was my first car.
Figured you didn't have a smart phone when you did this job originally back in the day, but now its a good idea to take pictures with your phone as you take it apart so you can reference what goes where when putting it back together :)
I own a 1987 Iroc-Z 5.7L TPI car w/T-Tops I purchased from the original owner when I was 21. I still own it to this day 25 years later, it's still all original and stock. There is A LOT of incorrect information out there on 3rd generation cars.
I’ve heard 5.7 ttops aren’t very common.
@@garfunkelsgarage2509 as the years went on I found this out myself, people would tell me or say that it was not factory but it’s on the build sheet and original window sticker.
@@capricetony yup I’ve heard this topic highly debated. Cool car!
I have a 84 z28 bought it bran new 39 years ago I did a restoration on it took me 5 years new body parts from a junk yard in California because That OEM stuff my body man told me to send it back redid the whole car Frame connector s 383 stroker rebuild 5 speed transmission re did the interior it took 5yrs I been enjoying it since Iwill never let it go
We just got an 89 formula for my son’s first car. He gets non stop compliments
You should go with a 5.3L LS V8 which is only slightly bigger than the 305 but puts out 150 more horsepower.
Can’t do that to such an original car…. I have other cars for going fast though.
I had an 81 Celica that had long doors with frameless windows like that, and the biggest problem with the door hinges sagging was that it would eventually cause the window to hit the side of the car before the door closed. It wouldn't damage the window, but the window mounting carriage would break if the window was repeatedly hit like that. It would cause the window to rock back and forth in the door when it was rolled all the way up, and you couldn't adjust it to be rigid because it was the angle adjuster that would break.
These third gens do the same. Those 81 celicas are sweet. I had a 93 gt vert 5 speed i wish I still owned.
I bought a 91 firebird and this helped me a lot. I knew just what to look for, my car is a 5 speed manual with a 350 under the hood. The dude said it was on it's second engine so I lucked out.
GM added the automatic pull down on the rear hatch out of the Cadillac due to the weight of the rear glass breaking from people slamming the rear hatch.
That’s pretty cool, I wonder if they were the first to do that.
I was able to use a variety of universals and extensions as a young lad to get heater core swapped. Using a right angle drive made quick work of heater hoses at firewall. Basically I was able to only partial pull dash back. Removing the dash pad helps, but it's doable. I didn't have to remove the dashboard. I merely pulled it back enough. BTW, THe Firehawk had a ZF 6 Speed manual, and was a 350. A rare combo is the mating of a 350 with T-Tops. They did happen, at least in some Camaro's I've seen.
I currently have a 350 t-top, so cool learning about the history of these Camaros
Removing the pass. speaker will allow access to fasteners without dash removal.
@@ianmurphey great tip! Ill try that. ty
The rear hatch lock was changed to electric assist to eliminate shattered glass. My 84 Firebird does not have that.
That adds up, weird solution but I guess it works. Thanks for the comment!
@@garfunkelsgarage2509 LOL. I liked your analogy better.
@@joequillun7790 😂 thanks
That speedo was definitely swapped. Your car has the LB9 MK6 MM5 and GM3 and J65 codes. Which was the 230 hp 3.45 gears with the 9 bolt rear disc setup which was the best 5 speed engine combo you could ever get on a third gen. That combo would of came with the 140 Speedo. The standard LB9 M39 5 speed with the 3.08 rear gears and 10 bolt drums would of came with the 120 Speedo.
That makes a lot of sense. Why would the bird have all those options but the base speedo?
Not sure if you saw the over conversation about the car but I mention that the carfax said this bird had 180k miles while the broken speedo in it now ways 120k.
I need to go buy a 140 and make things right. Thanks for the informative comment!
@@garfunkelsgarage2509 the car shows well for the miles then. Never would of figured it would of showed near 200k miles in its present state. The odometer quit on my 140 speedo in my 89 formula too, but its Ls1 swapped now so idc about the miles its not an original car anymore. The 86-92 firebird gauge clusters were manufactured by denso back in the day and they had prone failures on plastic odo gears. The camaros didn't really have that issue since they were manufactured by a different company. The previous owner probably wanted a functional odometer and put the 120 gauge in maybe. The reason GM made the pull down hatch back then because GM was dealing with to many warrenty claims of people slamming the hatch and glass exploding and it was said when the windows are up and l doors closed for some reason the hatches didnt want to close for some reason and people would try slamming the hatch. Thats why GM mandated all the f bodies 86-92 for the pull down setup.
That’s an interesting tidbit about the Camaro/Firebird odometer manufacturing differences.
Also I bet you’re correct about those hatch glasses exploding.
That’s pretty cool you have an LS swapped thirdgen. You have a blue Firebird right? I think I saw you post it on the thirdgen fb group yesterday.
@@garfunkelsgarage2509 yes the blue formula is mine. I was able to get some good news for a little vacation time from work so i can get to the GM Nationals all the way from Florida. Ive owned about 6 of these cars in a span of almost 20 years now, my parents bought a few of them new so they were always in my life growing up. Im always on the look out for a nice original third gen too, or nice ones with tasteful mods done them.
Well feel free to message me if if you want to stop by on your way to nationals. I’m right off 75. I think @fireballmullet might stop by too.
I’m wanting to let the bird go soon. I’ve got a bad back and need something more comfortable. I just need it to go to a good home and it sounds like you appreciate them.
My black 1983 Trans Am is sort of a basket case, but I still love it and will fix it all up eventually on the elusive "some day".
Best color for sure!
Had love hate thing with the Tops, loved driving with them
off on nice days or nights
But hated when they leaked when washing car or driving in
the rain . Watch out for water leaking down windshield pillars and collecting in front
footwell ,common on T top
cars.
Couldn’t agree more. Wish I just had a powered hard too.
I had a 89 firebird that had the t-top leak issues, what a pain that was.
Great vid..couple things to add! The driversside strut tower loves to start to rust where the cap meets the welds. Also, the floor board stabalizer braces. They arent available to purchase so you need to find donors if you plan on replacing floor pans since the bottoms eat away on these cars. If youre really looking for a mint car, look in the trunk under the passanger side carpet for a cut in the top of thee wheel welll. Fuel pumps are replaced there often. Replacing the fuel pump takes dropping the exhaust, suspension..ect..then the tank. Often..people will cut a trap door in the trunk to access the pump. These cars are super fun because of the torque..altho not fast. But they are awesome cars...just rust buckets. 91 gta 5.0 tpi
Move to the south! Our food isn’t as good but our cars last 😎
They started the pull down because people where slamming and breaking the glass.
Im always a little cautious about closing my hatch with A 83.
I sold this car recently and one of the buyers who looked at the car slammed the hell out of the hatch… it’s one of those jaw dropping angry moments.
I could be mistaken, but another easy way to find out any codes your computer could be flashing is by putting key into ignition, turning it to accessory, back to off, back to accessory, then back to off, then back to accessory and leave it there. It will then do flashes to tell you the codes it has for check engine. This is the case for most GM cars of that generation.
Yup you have to insert a paperclip in the obd1 port then do that.
what are some mods to do that are good for f bodies recently got me a project car
I’m a bit of a purest. I don’t want to modify a car if it’s lasted this long in original condition.
They’re only original once.
March under drive pulleys, for sure... Skip the chip, drill out the airbag, and run some black dryer vent hose for better air flow, carefully remove the screen from the MAF... You will notice the difference!... My 89 5.0 TPI WS6 formula 5 speed was a screamer for it's day...
84 had the quadrajet, with electronic mix adjustment... I still have the one I bought in 1986.
That’s an incredible amount of time to own a car. Just must love that thing.
@@garfunkelsgarage2509 Well, it has one of the most perfect side profiles, I've always thought. But I also still have my first car, a 67 Mustang.
@@MatHelm you’ve got an awesome garage
My 89 formula 305 5 speed with a mint dash, is completely rust free except it's front rockers, the pinch welds on each side directly up front have a hole that stretches into the floorboard and some rot on the t top rails. Which sucks because everything else is rust free. The cars been the most reliable car I've ever owned. Has taken every form of abuse from being a daily and still keeps going.
I’m always happy I live in the south. Both thirdgens I’ve owned have been rust free.
Hope you can repair yours fully one day so the next generation can abuse it too 😎
Nice video with good info, the heater core is a pain but is easier on the Birds because you can remove that plastic trim panel above the hush panel to gain access to that infamous last bolt for the heater box. Also not a bad idea to pull the passenger seat but if your limber you can still get it done in place.
Good info I didn’t know that.
I did the heater core on my 85 IROC but luckily my Pontiac is still good.
Did the heater core on my 87 firebird formula had to practically pull dashboard out
to gain access .not a fun job.
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@@vincentfisher4748 I’ve heard it’s not fun
I bought a rust free gen 3 so i thought until i checked the fire wall , wiper assembly bulk head to find it rusting from the inside . suggest you remove covers and check that as well.
That’s definitely not a place I would think to check. I wonder if yours had a mouse nest or something living in there collecting moisture from mouse pee. Or just leaves and stuff in there.
I looked at mine when I got it and I think I vacuumed out all the leaves.
I have an 84 transamp original owner.42803 miles 305 I output 6 speed at 5 speed this week.Yeah, I just got needs a little too healthy and I got a 97 formula.That's the monster car
That’s awesome! Being an original owner that long is rare!
What you ssid for the hatch overhang may be valid for some. I've noticed that most times that's not the case. A good majority of the time it's due to the hatch hinge being bent out of shape. Open the hinge and look at the hinge and see if the metal is bowed out in the center. The metal isn't extremely strong and alot of people have swapped them out for the billet ones because of it.
I’ve heard both scenarios. I should ask the new owner if he fixed it.
i had a quote fo $406.23 to replace the heater core in my 86 iroc,not near the $1000 and the whole dash doesnt really have to come out,i replaced the heater core myself and save that money and nothing broke....
Glad you were offered a good deal and nothing broke.
Great vid... I had an 83 Z for three years, thinking lately about getting another.
The prices are back down to normal finally.
There is a firehawk with 350 6 speed if I remember correctly.
You’re probably right, I can’t remember the what trans the fire hawks could be ordered with.
The electric rear hatch motorized lock thing was put there so you don't slam the hatch down and break the rear glass.
Seems like everyone in the comments knew that but me haha
@@garfunkelsgarage2509 I mean I didn't know why, until my uncle told me. I just thought they put it there as a gimmick to make it "futuristic" I didn't know that was the real purpose of the thing
The saturation on this video hahah. Consider clear coating that plastic panel between taillights
I’m looking for one right now! Thanks for the video!
Hope you find a great one!
They added the hatch pull down motor because you had a big risk busting the rear window when slamming the hatch
That makes sense.
There is an easier way to replace the heater core in these third gens taking the dash out. It can be accessed from the interior as well as the engine bay without taking out the entire dash and save a lot of time.
Good to know, I’m sure mine is due any day now.
Is it possible to make a 3rd gen camaro look like a 3rd gen trans am or the opposite?
I think you can swap the front clips but the rest would be different.
I will support you in the future, keep it up
Thanks so much Annie!
heyas, can you tell me where you got the graphic of the IROC by year at the 4:15 mark? I have an 86 with the 2 tone paint that I have never seen before. the way you pan only show the tail end. There is some confusion of the IROC's of that year. I have the fog lamps, the tic tac toe lights but its white with gray ground effects.
It’s been awhile, I think my editor just did a good search of iroc decals by year
Had 86 formula ❤ IT…
I have a 89 GTA and was wondering if I can use some other different trunk latch mine didn’t come with one and parts near me are hard to come by
That’s a beautiful car,it looks perfect
These cars were definitely lacking HP, but was some of the best looking cars around. I have an 87 GTA 5.7 that's getting an LS T-56 swap, and a 9" Moser. When done I'm going to gap pretty much whatever I want to on the street! A lot of people are doing this now days and it's money well spent. When mine is done I'm putting a personalized license plate on it that's going to say, 392 LOL!! I've owned mine for 25 years, have the wonder bar and a lot more UMI goodies on it. Also have Koni shocks and struts, replaced the factory rear spoiler with a fiberglass one from Hawks Motor Sports.
Wow 25 years! That’s quite impressive.
Sounds like you’ll have a perfect setup in that car for power and delivery. The big question is, have you made it comfortable to ride in? I know those konis are a big improvement but how about the seats?
@@garfunkelsgarage2509 Yeah, suspension is definitely ready. I have a set of seats out of an 05 GTO I'm going to put in it. A friend of mine put a set in his GTA, they're really comfortable! I also have a Cosmos Metallic Purple GTO, it's very comfortable but doesn't handle as good as the GTA.
@@chucklucas5326 I’ve never seen gto seats in a thirdgen. I wonder if those are more comfortable than 5th gen camaro seats.
Yes - the sleek styling of the 3rd gens deserves much more power and a manual trans to match! I bought my TA new 32 years ago. I also installed a wonder bar, Koni Sports and the fiberglass spoiler (oh yeah, a Vortech SC also).
a lot of these problems are valid for the c4 corvettes as well
GM said the corvette must be faster than the Firebird and camaro. But it’s aloud to be just as broken I guess 🙃
thanks for the video! was unaware of the steering box situation. im looking at one right now. its been sitting in a garage for 15 years and in that time never started up. flat tires, old fuel in the tank. its a 5.0 formula with a t-5. it rear ended a car a few years before off the road and had a new radiator support welded in. the front drivers pillar has rust, underneath the t tops has rust. dents and dings. underneath is mint, no rust. i didnt check the steering box so that scares me, but can it be welded?? the radiator is half full, and the oil on the dip is clean. it's basically a total nightmare- and thats part of it's charm for me. im kind of a gambling man and the odds aren't great but the way this car found me I feel like its a sign. im the kind of guy that tends to give everyone and everything a chance. im gonna fix it up like im dr frankenstein!! had one 20 years ago, crashed it like an idiot and am looking for a little redemption ;-) my family thinks im crazy for wanting it but sometimes people can't see the vision im seeing and how much passion I have to save it. i can do everything down to top end engine work and i can mig weld. wish me luck!!
Well you already know you could find a better one to work on. As long as you understand in your head it’s not an investment and it’s just for fun then it sounds like the right car.
As far as welding up the steering box area I’m not entirely sure how well it holds up.
If you’ve got the time an energy for that old bird then have fun she’ll be a big part of your life.
Cool video
Where can I buy a mint 1984 Recaro Trans Am or a 1984 15th Anniversary?
Mint is what makes that question tough. These cars were not taken care of….
To solve the problem in your trunk some people drill new holes for the nuts and move it a little higher. after ttat they put silicone or epoxy. i hope this helps.
I’m too scared I’ll break the spoiler. One day I’ll take it to a body shop and have it done.
Thanks for the guide advice video I love third gens specially the Firebird btw what’s the song name? 0:14
I’ll have to ask my editor when he’s back in the states
Midnight Danger - The Last Day 🙂
@@balazsnagyeri31 thanks :DD
I had an 88 tpi 5 spd Formula. These cars are fast. Bone stock with a k&n air intake. Mine ran 14.3 @94 with 110k on it. 30 yrs ago
It’s crazy how fast they actually are. I had this bird and an 06 mustang GT that was cammed and had some other cool mods and the bird always felt faster.
@@garfunkelsgarage2509 yeah birds are my favorite. I had alot of 77-81 birds but 3rd gens i had 2 irocs and 4 or 5 birds and a 91 z28 convertible and a 91 rs convertible same color at the same time.
She's beautiful! Long live the third gen F bodies , Pontiac Firebirds and Chevy Camaros! One of the best videos ever on these cars. Subbed. Lord have mercy, baby's got her t tops off 😍🇺🇸
Ty Buck!!! Hopefully plenty more to come!
One thing that could have been mention is a possible the loose tilt steering wheel and how to tighten those bolts. 🤣
Wasn’t tracking that’s an issue. Just tighten the steering wheel nut?
@@garfunkelsgarage2509 There is 3 bolts on the tilt mechanism that need retighten. The steering wheel and turn signal mechanism need to be removed. 2 bolts are fairly easy to get to. The last one is harder to get to and the column would have to be taken apart further. Locktite the 2 bolts that I could get to and is fine. It's probably more of a GM thing rather than a 3rd Gen specific.
Well thanks for sharing that info I had no idea about that
@@MAJorgy70 Yes, it was a GM issue back then. I have tightened over 100 steering columns now. I too just tightened the 2 you could actually get to, and they were fine afterwards.
The last heater core I replaced in a Third Gen took literally 45 minutes to replace and I didn't break anything. You do not have to take the entire dash out.
BS
HELLO! Tomorrow I will take a look to a 87 Yellow Formula 5.0 Automatic
Did you get it?
Exactly the one I had!!! It got totaled!! Been looking for one for years! Is it for sale?
Everything is for sale. I’m in south GA
You can replace the heater cores in about an hour without taking a single bolt out of the dash if you just drill a small access hole behind the map compartment glove box thing. I did it on my 92 firebird. Unless you're really anal about keeping it all original I think it's totally worth it, you'd never even know there was a hole there with the map compartment in place.
Keep that tip in my back pocket, thanks!
Is tht a disco 2 I see in the background?
Good eye 🦅
You're wrong about the weight of the hatch sliding the deck lid back. Thats unfortunately a widespread incorrect diagnosis of that very common problem. It's actually your hatch hinges that bend. Take a look next time you pop your hatch. You'll notice they have a bend in them. They should be flat. Lol. Hawks sell reproduction ones made of billet aluminum that correct the issue and your don't have to adjust your decklid. But you do need to know what your doing replacing the hinges or your shatter the glass.
I hope you’re right, I’ve been debating buying those hinges for a couple years. I posted what my hinges look like on the thirdgen fb group awhile back and most people said it was the decklid
Yeah, I've gotten into it with people on those fb groups about this issue. It erks me. I feel like the people who are in denial about it being the hinges are just too cheap to buy a set so they adjust the deck lid instead. And it may realign your decklid but it's not actually correcting the issue. And you might do all that work adjusting your decklid and it still doesn't move back far enough. Everyone whos had this issue and has replaced the hinges has corrected the decklid issue. If you adjust your decklid, then decide to get the hinges after, you'll have to adjust your decklid again. I actually have a folder in my phone from screen shots I've taken from the fb groups with people arguing about this subject. I have tons of pictures of people showing their before and after shots on the third gen hinges. They do bend. The ones in my 84 are bent and my hatch is pushed back a bit. I need to order a set myself, just have more pressing issues I'm resolving first.
@@onthegoresto7742 you’ve convinced me to buy the hinges haha
I might be wrong but you’re not supposed to drive or do bad burnouts in the middle of the air park.
WG/CC said we could. True story haha
@@garfunkelsgarage2509 I don’t believe it.
@@PaulsonOutdoorsWG historian and SFS too
@@garfunkelsgarage2509 still calling BS
They are very misunderstood cars and unfortunately they often wind up with people that have zero patience subpar mechanical common sense. It's extremely rare that you find these cars with the electrical system that wasn't molested. I had to pass on soo many 3rd gens that I had to settle on one with a blown engine because it was less of a headache to deal with than backyard bubba's Mickey mouse electrical hack job. All three third gens that I have owned, the most time I've spent on any of them was fixing the electrical hack jobs on these poor cars.
It’s crazy just how many have been hacked apart and had a carb thrown on them or the gauges ripped out for aftermarket stuff.
What year is your vehicle sir.
1989 😎
You have a very nice, very RARE Formula. Those TPI 5sp cars are hard to find.
They sure are!
This video made me give up on searching for Firebird to buy. I'm so f**kin' sad right now. I seen and read other reviews, and I'll turn my head to post 2012 Challenger instead.
Why did this video make you want to give up on your search?
@@garfunkelsgarage2509 I had two 30+ years old BMW's (e30 and e34). They were great machines. But time needed to fix things on them was just over the top. It wouldn't be a problem if I were single and living with parents. Also I need a vehicle that I can be sure of its reliability when I'd want to drive 1000miles on a trip and go back home. Firebird was always my dream car. Its sleek shapes, V8 roar and built kinda sportwise always catched my heart. Yet brain tells me it will be a beatiful pain in the ass rather than sheer driving pleasure as BMW's were if they were running.
@@TransAmDrifter tbh I’d rather drive one of those BMWs 1000 miles over a thirdgen. I love the looks of a thirdgen but after about 15m I’m ready for something more comfortable.
@@garfunkelsgarage2509 that's why I'll go for a 5.7 Challenger.
@@TransAmDrifter well at least they’re plentiful
Nice car. I have a 91 Formula w/ 5.7 and ttop. Very hard to find with both. Front nose was much more evil looking. Funny edit.
Cool car and thanks!
Entertaining video. loved the Hyundai comparison bit. :D
Glad to see you went for the stick-shift, even with the sewing machine motor. Disgusting to have a 305 sbc in a Pontiac. Detroit went down hill after 1970, with the loss of compression, then in 75, with the advent of the catalytic converter, and finally in 82, when GM forced Pontiac to degrade themselves with that motor. Shameful.
The 305 is still a fun motor when I floor it…. Really wish she had an extra 100 HP at least
@@garfunkelsgarage2509 Sure, I guess 200 HP total would help it out. T5s can't handle much more than that anyway. Is yours a WC T5?
@@joequillun7790 it is a wc.
Maybe at some point the original engine will go and I’ll put a more powerful engine in. I’d like to keep the TPI solely bc of looks and maybe procharge it. Then back it with a LT1 T56.
@@garfunkelsgarage2509 Altho I'm no chevy fan, I do like the looks of the TPI. Reminds me of the tunnel rams of the past.
@@joequillun7790 tunnel rams are awesome!
I just like the original looks of older cars. From wheels to radios. I just preserve the time capsule that they are.
Bold claim with tpi being better than a carb. I can fix my Firebird with a screwdriver. Can’t do that with the fuel injection
Did I say that? Or did I say better than Tbi?
@@garfunkelsgarage2509 i don’t remember, I’m not gonna rewatch to find out either 😂😂
The doors, i thought i was going crazy with mine and just forgot how to close doors or something
Haha no they just weigh a ton 😂
After 17 years
i still got my 1988 iroc rag top
Hell yea, keep it forever!
Name the song music the intro please!
I’ll have to ask my editor when he gets back to the states.
hah DexCool, i've been there before...
It’s great bc you can’t tell if that rust or just orange coolant lol
Great review, mines SOLID. 👍👍
Thanks! What’s the details on your thirdgen?
Great video
Thank you!
Beautiful car, nice vid!
Thank you Will!!!
my bro gave it to me and I like it, I'll subscribe to your channel
Thank you!
Must watch, my a rrse. Owned my original IROC since 1985. Silver. Generic info at Best.
Thanks for the comment!
120 mph speedometer? TPI engine cars rolled off the line with 140 mph speedos. Except maybe 87 models.
Good eye! A PO definitely swapped it. Carfax showed more than the odometer confirming it was swapped.
They most definitely came stock with 120mph speedometers at least up until 1988.
Edited, meant 88 typed 89 by accident.
@@CPMest81 they most definitely did not. And actually I was incorrect. It was the '86 model year that all TPI equipped 'birds got the 140mph speedometer. The federal 55mph speed limit was rescinded at the end of 1985; so it's possible some '86 models were still built with the 85mph speedo. But TPI models all rolled off the line with the 140mph speedo - especially if it was the L98. That said, since Formula and base trans am models could be had with a carbureted/tBi fuel injection V8, those cars rolled out of the factory with the 120mph speedo.
@@erikcorredor255 you're correct about the l98 perhaps coming factory with 140 but lb9 still came with a 120mph, or like I said, for what ever reason hundreds maybe even thousands of people switched them from 140 to 120.
Interesting conversation. I definitely don’t have a 140 speedo sitting in my eBay cart bc I’m a sucker for originality….
Guess I’ll need to find out if the 120 is original or not.
I had this exact car❤
Very nice, I miss my 85 T/A but as I matured I realized GM is junk..🤣🤣Joking of course a little Mustang humor…
Love the body off an 85 TA. you’re not wrong about the Mustang upgrade though.
I’m abt to buy a 85 trans am 😢
@@stryver8157 if it’s TPI be careful. A lot of one year only options and not a lot of easy to find info.
Carb cars are the gold standard when you start talking about cams.
For sure, the efi tbi/tpi ecus are not fun to mess with.
Nice ride!
Thank you!
91 fireball 6spd
Firehawk?
You still have it? Ill give you 684.55
Seriously, looks nice. Im going to buy one tomorrow for 500 bucks. So you know its gonna be quality.
Hope youre enjoying it!
@@garfunkelsgarage2509 Yup. Bought it...its way better than I thought. 350 and a manual, but the 350 swap was done at a dealership.
Best I can do is tree fiddy
All I got in it is 305 😎
I owned a few of these when they were newer in the 90's and loved them, recently i got the itch and picked up an 89 IROC that is pretty solid but needs a bit of love. What I've concluded after getting back into one after a 20 some odd year absence is that the material and overall build quality on these cars is appallingly bad! And I don't make that statement lightly, I've owned numerous GM cars over the years and still daily drive a 2009 G8 GT which Is an amazing machine. The rattles and clanks and body flex on these cars is just unacceptable, combine that with the extra stiffly sprung IROC or GTA and the ride quality is a terrible experience on anything but a glassy smooth highway. The second Gen cars were just a way more solid ride (although not perfect either) GM in the 80's-90's was just trash and it makes total sense to me now why they went bankrupt, they cheeped out and lost all their loyal customers and then just couldn't win them back even when they improved their quality in the 2000's. I mean even my wife's 2005 Grand Am is a massive improvement in interior materials and build quality and ride compared to the third Gen's.
Nothing but agreement from me. They’re uncomfortable, they rattle, built cheap… but they look cool as hell and they’re fun to drive.
I would never want to daily my Firebird but you bet your butt I love taking her around the block and watching the kids smile, wave, give a thumbs up.
Sure you can get a better built car but these things are iconic and a piece of history.
7:55 😅
🕵️👍🛠️ I have this car in 2005 , sold. This is my mistake.
I actually sold mine recently too….
@@garfunkelsgarage2509 🙈
Very nice car
Thank you! The new owner thinks so as well…
Hatch safety was so people don’t slam it and break the hatch it also never works
Oh yea that’s right. I think that feature started with Cadillac to prevent just that.
@@garfunkelsgarage2509 which is now a pain because 90% of them are broken 😂
@@Michael-Ferdinand 90% of cars that had that feature are probably gone too
29k
Haha well of course I’d let it go for that.
FBODY, THE BEST.. MINE IS 1999…
did you say "third en f body"
Possibly, I have stage four mumbles
I'd buy that for a dollar
Sold it a while ago. Got a couple more than 1 dollar.
Oh and yes they do come out with a 5-speed manual 88-89 Trans Am GTA and the 87 Trans Am also come with a 350 as well so that there was just a lie that you just told
Nope, there was never a 5 speed 350 combo for sale to the public. If you’re so confident one existed post your proof 😎
There was NEVER EVER a 3rd gen F body 5 speed with a 5.7 liter engine.
The Borg Warner T5 was not rated to handle the extra torque of the 350.
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Wdym unibody more like subframe 🤨 and aren’t 3rd gen price’s going up ? 🤔 so pretty soon only the ugly catfish Camaros will be affordable 🥲?
The 4th gens are already pretty expensive. I’m always keeping my eye out for a vert with an LS