Parts That Don't Fit And Our Efforts To Smoke Out The Rats Of The Classic Car Industry
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ต.ค. 2024
- The disaster of a 1960 Ford Pickup we featured the other day is only the latest of dozens like it we have encountered like it, where an unsuspecting customer is taken to the cleaners by classic car dealerships and unscrupulous body shops. Now we think it's time to take action and really do something about this epidemic of thievery that ultimately hurts us all.
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I feel so bad for the lady with the 1960 ford pickup truck. I wish she could take that shop to court and get her money back so she can get it fixed right.
I honestly think everyone should help her out and get her truck fixed right somehow
Yeah the biggest shame about it is that it was her dream too. Like if it was just a truck she had just to sell it it’s still bad but not as bad. When it’s someone dream and now they have to abandon it thats heartbreaking
By my limited knowledge on the law. That entire ford case was fraud. Ticks me off that it fits the definition but cheap sketchy resto work shops aren't fraud.
I bet that shop would just claim Bankruptcy and open under a new name next month if they took any litigation, These guys know the rules too..
My lawyer begs to differ. It didn’t take him long to get the body shop that tried to rip me off on my old project back in line. The body shop owner is used to dealing with pissed customers and their threats. But when a little soft spoken jewish guy walks in speaking legalize, it tends to put the shop owner on his heels when the lawyer starts spitting numbers and statutes. I just wanted the shop owner to fulfill the contract. I didn’t want to get over on him. I learned a lot about both sides of the business. It’s much easier to just do your homework, find a good reputable shop, and make sure everyone is on the same page in writing.
Went down that road with my Dad's classic car after he passed. It sat basically unused for a few years, and once the great reset began in 20' I convinced Mom to let me fix it up and sell it (52' Ford crestline Victoria). Beautiful paint, chrome up the wazoo, crager wheels, high quality upholstered interior, but ran like crap, and was scary to drive - loose steering and meh brakes. I figured no big deal, wheel bearings, tie rods, brake rebuild - done. Boy was I naive. Whoever restored it (probably mid 80's - cassette stereo, and late 80's mustang power steering pump) converted it to 12v, dropped a 289 in it, C4 auto, Edelbrock 4b/intake, front disc, A/C, headers, aluminum rad, etc. But they cobbled the steering linkage and hydrologic lines/cylinder from a scrap pile 60's and early 70's Ford and Lincoln parts, all leaking and worn out. Both kingpins were original stock, and roasted. Front hubs were built by a trailer manufacturer no longer in business. Ignition was used duraspark ll components, but no ballast resistor, and they kept the original 6v cloth ignition wiring, just buried it under layers of electrical tape. I had to be Sherlock Holmes just to figure out the origin of the some of the worn out parts, and modify a bunch of them just to put it back together. Took me 3 months of work and headaches, but when it finally rolled out of the shop it ran great, and handled like a different car. It was fun to drive! I only wish Dad could have been there for that liftoff. It would have put a smile on his face.
This weekend is the 2yr anniversary of it's sale. A guy drove from 3 states away Thanksgiving weekend to purchase it. Hope he's enjoying it, took a lot of blood sweat and tears to bring it back to life.
Actual mechanical condition plays second fiddle most times to paint and chrome, way too may times.
@@Peter-V_00 is that a penton in your pic?
Totally agree. Dad was unhappy about the way it ran, thought it was a carburetor issue and made all sorts of adjustments, but couldn't dial it in.
I've no doubt now it was the ignition and wiring. I learned no ballast resistor with duraspark ignition fry's coils and solenoids, plus the 70 year old 6v ignition wire was bleeding voltage everywhere. I made long leads and ohm tested everything. Had to replace all of it. TBH it was a pretty, shiny fire hazard on wheels.
Uncle Tony and Uncle Kathy have a wonderful Thanksgiving
I've dealt with the steering box issue on a few vehicles.... the most memorable was my 1990 GMC K1500. I went through two Rockauto boxes - while they did fit, both had essentially as much slop as the original. I ended up putting in a Red Head box and all was well. Later on, I was able to determine that a Rock Auto/Parts store box "rebuild" is just a seal replacement... never solving the slop that essentially all original boxes have.
I'm a big fan of the redhead boxes. I run one on my 87 gmc on 1 tons and 37s, it handles like a new truck
I skipped over all the headache and got a FirmFeel box for my Volare. Great upgrade over original and zero problems for the last 15 years.
Lol the rock auto ad at the beginning of the vid was hilarious,that place is a joke
@@MrTheHillfolk The problem with the box is likely the LARES sticker on the side. This seems to be the rebuilder that a lot of power steering parts the Rock uses. I didn't see any casting marks on the box but based on the cost I suspect it is a "new reproduction replacement part" so I am not surprised it doesn't fit. No telling what country that was made in. While I am not that familiar with the internals of the LARES steering boxes, I am with some of their control valves, and they are either poor quality rebuilds or Argentine or Chinese repros.
I don't order from the blanket all car sites unless I have to.
Steer and Gear are GREAT! Rebuilt my 73 Dodge van steering box. Zero play!
I knew as soon as I saw them laying side by side on the floor that those steering boxes weren't the same. I've bought many parts from Rock Auto because they had them in stock where my regular suppliers were backordered for several weeks or, indefinitely. However, any time I order parts online, they're always name brand parts. I get the manufacturers part # off of the website (it's always there somewhere), then, I search the part manufacturers site to get the real applications for said part. It's not always quick doing so but, it's always faster than getting the wrong part and having to return it.
Car parts quality and fitment have been problematic for decades, the Covid bullshit sent it over the top.
I think this is a great idea. Too many people getting ripped off, or are paying concours pricing for hack work.
So, people drop money on a car w/o an inspection and then bring it to the channel to showcase why that was a bad idea?
@@arthurfoyt6727 It isn't a bad idea, hence why I posted "I think this is a great idea". Am I mising something in your reply? I know people can get the car inspected but honestly I feel it is best to call the shop out on this work.
@@itneverwasme It's a "bad idea" since ANY job should be inspected BEFORE doropping big money. Afterwards IS TOO LATE! Calling a shop out afterwards does not help anyone and a shop can just post an "under new management" sign or change it's name!
Only bad thing that happened to my mom was in 1986 she bought a brand new 1986 Carice classic brogham. Took it to Jiffy lube where they over filled it with oil so bad that the belt came off. Everything was coated with motor oil. She wouldnt sue them. But over the years I had to change all the seals in that 350 chevy engine.
I died laughing when just after you got done saying not to mess with rockauto it cut to one of their commercials.
Rock Auto is a drop shipping company that has contracts with various 3rd party parts warehouses who are authorized to use the Rock Auto packaging and order fulfillment system
I firmly believe that we do not need another government bureaucracy to ruin our hobby by creating a bible of worthless regulations. . What we do need is for these people to have their shady practices to be publically exposed. Good job on exposing Possum Holler as the first entry.
well, who's going to do the exposing? if someone publically exposed you, wouldn't you want some recourse? In this video UTG talked about the pickup truck spilling gas, but UTG has a video where his 66 Charger is clearly dumping fuel at the beginning at a gas station. Should he be "exposed" by anyone who has a grudge?
@@albertgaspar627 you forget that UTG repeatedly stated that the corners builders cut for their own projects are risk assessments that are made between themselves and their own conscience. He followed this up by clearly stating that those same corners must never be made with/to paying customer because they have not been part of that decision making process. Go back over the videos and you will see that his personal integrity has not been impeded because he sets clear boundaries between his own personal projects and those for which he has ever been contracted for.
Agreed in the history of the world a government has never fixed anything they've only broken and inslaved and ruined industry
@@albertgaspar627 if you frequented the forums, the old internet was quite good at this. But the forums are dead now it would appear .
@@engineerinhickorystripehat i'm not sure which forums you mean, but i know that when i buy a product online i don't bother with the "consumer reviews". not just the fakery going on, but five people can experience the same thing and have 8 different conclusions.
'long time ago, UTG had a video on a 360 LA block he had purchased--it was so chock full of gasket sealer from a tube, he couldn't use the block. to him, that was a failed repair of a waterpump leak. but to the seller of the block, it was a great repair--it lasted as long as he needed it to, and he unloaded it on the next guy. so who's opinion was correct?
It's nice to see a young guy cleaning up his space and methodically and calmly working through the job...
I'm a young-ish automotive painter. Every older painter and body guy gives me such shit for keeping my space clean and organized! Meanwhile, they waste time coming to ask me for a hammer bc they can't find theirs in the pile of tools on their cart!
WAY TO GO UNCLE TONY, YOUR MAKING A POSITIVE IMPACT FOR CHANGE, WE LOVE YOU!!! ps/ almost forgot Happy Holidays!!!
Sadly the old mopars are bringing big money nowadays. So the bottom feeder flippers are all over that. It is an epidemic! Love your channel as a mopar guy Tony! Hope you and Uncle Cathy have a great thanksgiving!
There is a reason I build my own rather than buy them at some exorbitant price from some classic car 'dealer' because I have seen enough of those places with junk and shady clones at real deal prices to know better.
Pretty much all the bottom feeder flippers are on the mainstream loved cars. One reason I love my Toronado. Not many people know / care about Toronados. While they are such a cool car along with the Eldorado. 60s FWD big block American power!
Which is WHY you never pay "big money" without having a full inspection by a 3rd party mechanic that you trust. If "I" was going to drop $60, 70,100K or higher then you better believe I would have it inspected first!
@@crazycoffee tell us about the Toro!
As a life long Oldsmobile guy Ive always wanted one but the timing has never been right to give a Toronado a good home
Quality control has gotten bad here lately. I got some injectors that leaked out the sides and an IACV for my truck that the plug was misshapen. Intermediate shafts for CV shafts that splines wouldn't mesh together. Just the general fit and finish is wrong on stuff so often now. It's frustrating.
Your honesty is much appreciated.
Boss bought a cheap van. We knew it had been in an accident. Boss got clipped by an automatic gate. The entire side from the driver’s door to the tail light fell off. It was an impressive Bondo job by a man we later found out did that type of work regularly.
Names or what happened to the guy those types need to be exposed
I use Rock Auto a LOT and have spent a lot of money with them. Yes, I have occasionally received parts that don't fit or are otherwise incorrect for my needs but Rock Auto has gone out of their way to make it right. They have even called me on the phone to make sure I was satisfied. Good company to do business with.
ive received one faulty alternator from them but it was 100% free for me to get a replacement, the replacement however was slightly damaged (probably was dropped) but fixable. this is the only issue i ever had and its likely the supplier's fault not theirs. their returns policy is really amazing and the selection of good brands at 1/3 the local part store's price is why i keep going back. cant replace them
Same!
And if you really know about what you need or do some resaech about brands and part numbers before ordering you absolutely can't go wrong.
Only problem I experienced lately more than ever is that FedEx crushes the shipping boxes and parts get damaged or even lost. But the RA customer service is absolutely amazing!
I just bought an Enginetech re-ring kit from Rock Auto. Those parts come from reputable manufacturers. Check the brand name first.
I was telling my son how long David has been around and pulled out a book on tuning Escorts published in 1970. The dude is the poster child for the phrase has forgotten more than most people know, though he probably hasn't forgotten...
The problem I ran into working on my car was after 50+ years the original drivetrain was gone and I had to figure out what car the parts were really from in order to get replacements. I had to return a few parts also, mostly my fault though.
That is another skill set they don't tell you about , detective work and historical research , lol .
Hard enough just finding working parts that fit for recent production vehicles .
These skills come with time and as one ages.
After working on all kinds of things you will have seen so many parts that your mind will start to compartmentalize
(dang fancy word, where did that come from..) groups of items and the elements that make some parts different and others the same. Someday people will be working on and restoring the cars built just in the last 10-15 years and will be identifying a barrel full of various computers and remember part numbers like the hard core mopar guys are now. At the scrapyard in 20 years "look johnny I found a 10344987265 !!!
It's a real hellcat ecm!"
"No way dude, what a holy grail part!"
"Yeah for sure. Do you remember when these cars were new? I remember my neighbor had a........"
and so it continues😎
Gotta be careful. Flim flammers tend to get bent out of shape when they're called out
Poor lady , she’s a lost car enthusiast now. Utg I’m in support of your idea mentioned in the last few minutes of this video
7:18 The box is not $200. It’s $400 plus the $195 core charge. So you initially pay $595, but get the $195 back once the core is received.
I remember when you could buy a rebuilt steering gearbox from the Dodge dealership parts counter for $140 that was better than the factory unit the car came with.
I remember working on a fleet of mid 80s dodge pickups around 1990ish. Steering wheel play was measured in how many turns of the steering wheel before the wheels actually moved. The guys in that fleet didn't need a gym back then as they drove these trucks daily sawing the steering wheel back and forth. Their arms looked like grapefruits.
My 1997 F-350 has a bit of play going center down the road. I need a redhead box for it. It also needs a high steer conversion.
I don't buy anything from rock auto. They kept sending me the wrong fuel pumps. I confronted them about it and their excuse was that manufacturers use different brands. That still does explain why airtex pumps were put in Carter boxes.
there's nothing like a known good box
Are we still talking about steering parts?
@@captainjohnh9405 don't pussy around..
Steer and gear does a good job! We've had good luck with their steering sectors.
Agree. I shipped them my original steering box and power steering pump. They rebuilt both and stiffened up the box just a bit. It wasn't cheap to do but I wanted to keep as much original parts on my dad's car that it was born with. I highly recommend them.
Really glad to hear that! Looking forward to getting the new box in
Right as you were saying don't bother with the Rock Auto steering box the video was interrupted by an ad from Rock Auto. All the parts your car will never need
That's why I'm doing the frame off restoration on my 68 chevelle ss myself. It's taking me longer but, at least it'll be done right. 5 years into it now.👍
When shopping for a "custom classic" at the very least bring a magnet and a flashlight.
Uncle Tony, best of luck on this endeavor, I wish you and Kiwi great success, but I hope it's short lived in that these thieves and potential killers get the message, along with those Rocksuckers that what they're doing is not okay. Happy Thanksgiving to you and Uncle Kathy and all the usual suspects!
I have to agree with you, Tony. I am a mechanical inspector, and I have seen stretch limos clobbered together with welds underneath on the frame. Lack of pride and craftsmanship like the old days.
I saw this very same thing way back in the days of custom vans. A beautiful, show worthy Ford van. It was more bondo than sheet metal. Some poor soul bought it off the used car lot at the dealership where I worked.
I'm all for calling out shysters and criminals, and people who sell rebadged cars as the real deal (GTO badges on a Tempest, etc), but I have an odd feeling that once you start doing so, lawyers will bet involved. I tried this years ago when I bought a "performance carb" for my mild Buick 455, which turned out to be a POS. Once I posted about it a shit-storm ensued. I also got burned by an engine builder. A buddy reposted my rant and soon he got a letter from a lawyer threatening him with legal action if he didn't remove his re-post. I hope this "outing" of dirtbags here is allowed to run without threat of legal action. Great channel, UTG!
Always buy with a credit card that that has buyer protection. I've had good luck with Discover or even Visa when I've had a problem. I've always come out ahead when they got involved. You're their card holder, they work for you, not the other way around. With that said, some companies will "R&R" an original box, so that is an option too. The two big rebuilders in the Northeast are A-1 Cardone in Philadelphia and ARC Remanufacturing in Astoria (Queens), NY. I think you went the right way with a specialty rebuilder like that.
I think you're doing a great service by "forensically" looking at these "restoration" jobs. Like you said, if you can prove the lineage, these guys should be called out.
I’m getting back into the hobby, though a bit unexpectedly. Appreciate all the knowledge I either forgot or never learned. Happy Thanksgiving.
Good you exposing this kind of taking advantage of this kind of thing. Once the word gets around naive customers will be more likely to know enough to not accept this kind of work.
What I can't do at RA is... my research - I gotta do that elsewhere to weed out variants not suitable for my application/start with a good part number. As long as I stick to that, I've been happy..
I installed a Borgeson steering box on my late B body from Bergman Autocraft
Great kit from Bergman no cutting or welding and it fits right in (steering box and coupling/sleeve)
A little bit of money ( I'm in the Great White North ) it's worth it!!!
No sloppiness or wandering the steering is tight
Now my car drives like a new car....almost ;)
I knew where the steering box story was headed immediately. The ONLY option, as far as I’m concerned, is a FirmFeel rebuild. Expensive, but totally worth every penny. Now I’m sure someone will mention the Borgeson conversion box… and I hear enough good about it to think it might be fine. But I haven’t tried it and the crew at FirmFeel is such a dang good bunch of people, they will keep getting my recommendation.
I have replaced several mopar gear boxes, all bought from major auto part stores. All these stock rebuild boxes felt firmer/tighter than original, so I don’t see what the extra benefit from a (more expensive)’firm feel’ box would be.
I did the borgelson on my 68 Dart GT project. I needed a new box and was hopeful for useable clearance since I put a low deck big block in it. I'm pleased with it even though it's a pretty expensive route. (I'm a bit of a tightwad) The ratio difference and feel is pretty keen.
@@MrZdvy parts store “rebuilds” are just re-sealing and adjusting the backlash out (maybe), plus new reaction springs. The FirmFeel rebuild has all that plus has a lot of new internal wear parts, which I believe they make themselves (they also fabricate their own suspension parts). And all the parts are top quality. I have a parts store box in one car, and while it at least works and doesn’t leak puddles on the floor, it doesn’t come anywhere close to the Firm Feel box in terms of precision, consistency, on-center feel, and backlash. It’s worth every penny if you’re going to actually drive the car much.
Way to keep them honest Tony.
Great idea, brother! That's the only way this problem will get fixed. Call 'em all out!
We should start a similar thing for car manufacturers pumping out absolute crap, built with low-bidder garbage for stratospheric prices the past 20+ years. It's got REAL bad in the past 16 model years. '07-up are just terrible. Not to mention the way they engineer things. If I was a kid working on this crap, I'd quit before I ever got started!! Never realized how good we had things in the 70's & 80's, even with how bad certain models were. Never knew how bad things could actually get!
I agree with what you are saying on the shops but let not forget that people have a budget and when a good shop call and tells them what extras needs to be fixed ,they start to cut those corners. Telling them to go ahead and Finnish the project and then they talking shit after words when someone see's it and act dumb that they had no clue what the shop did. I've seen it in a buddy's shop and in the construction field.
I once went to the auto parts store for a rebuilt power steering box for a 1977 Dodge W150 Power Wagon. They gave me the steering box for a 1977 Dodge A100 Van. It bolted right in but the front wheels turned left when I turned the steering wheel right.
Lol. That would be aggravating but it would be hard not too laugh at.
That is funny, and I once had a friend who had a 78 Ramcharger deal with the same thing! Lol
I always have had problems with oil leaks when using chrome oil pans. Looks good, just don’t seal.
Scuff the seal lip with 80 grit and use thin beads of silicone
That's always been my experience with Chrome pans and covers also. Like the other guy commented, I've scuffed them up with sand paper or whatever before and it seemed to do the trick.
Yes sometimes bad parts end up eating a good part of the budget and with money being tight it’s got to stop
I would blame the basic lack of "good mechanical skills/knowledge" for the proliferation of these mechanical abortions.
I try to be careful with what I order from Rock, for just that reason. I've only ever gotten one incorrect part from them, but was still able to use it. It was a Cherry Bomb muffler which was an eighth or quarter inch larger than the description. It was in their universal parts section. I had adapters on hand. Rock SHOULD offer a service where they photograph the part for you before they ship, to avoid wastes like the transaction in this video. I'll bet another customer hogged out that mounting hole before they returned it to Rock...
"Slide that Torqueflite under the car???" I HIGHLY recommend a piece of cardboard under it!
The worst thing about the shit-work here, is that it's so buried. But it's still fixable. If I was in the position, I'd fix it for her for real cheap.
That Satellite surely got you some good views...
I only order from Jegs or Speedway now, I've always found their house brand stuff to work well and be good value, if not it's cheerfully refunded. I don't think I would order from Rock from what I've heard about them..
I use Lares rebuilt products. Always had top quality and no problems. They are in Minnesota.
Usually I have the original rebuild, rarely do I replace a major part. Just did a 67 stingray with a 427, the engine block had two rods hanging out the side of the block, instead of replacing we had the block repaired,a rather large undertaking for our welder, but he recasted the missing pieces and hand cast welded them into place.I wanted to keep the matching numbers.
This is hilarious,when a commercial comes in it's rock auto,it's like they are sponsoring your video,funny
I had a Jeep CJ7 back in the mid-'90s and ordered a replacement manual steering box from the Navy Exchange auto parts store on base. I wound up receiving a power steering box. I was a little dismayed at first, but quickly decided I would go ahead and convert my Jeep to power steering. It took a couple weeks scrounging local wrecking yards (we didn't have the internet we have today back then) to find a pump and the proper brackets, and I bought new hoses. Installation was pretty easy and well worth my time and the extra money for the conversion.
KILLER idea TONY. Gett'er done. Should be a great Project.
I used to do state inspections, and lots of people would bring me their old stuff because we worked on alot of older cars, but I can't tell you how many I would jack up and find big safety issues on nice painted rides. Even from Barrett Jackson, or any other name brand auction houses. One in particular was a silver 70 Chevy short bed. Perfect paint, low, looked super slick. But had spray paint over the old worn out control arm bushings and ball joints with 3/8 of an inch up and down play, rusty separating trailing arms with oblong holes for u bolts so the rear end felt like it was moving around under the truck just moving it across the parking lot, and cut springs to lower it, rag joint was new tho(because you can see it from under the hood....) It's not just old cars though, even cheap used car market you have to watch out.
Lares and Cardone stuff is just junk , reman or new . We went thru 4 brand new steering boxes on a Chevy K20 finally bought a borgenson new one.
I also want to add that having the structural stuff done up correctly, like new steering box, discs up front, gusseted A frame etc. You will get much more pleasure out of the car. You'll crave the driving experience rather than just having something pretty to sit and look at.
I spend 75% of my time in the shop on the phone or computer dealing with bad parts or wrong parts it gets really frustrating. I love working on people’s vehicles but I really hate trying to wade through the sea of garbage to try to get a hold of basic standard parts that shouldn’t be a problem to get but they are now. Thanks china
We can't blame China all the time. They build what the engineer tells them. They're given blueprints and they start manufacturing. Americans want fast and cheap, and this is what China provides.
LOVE all the activity at Team UTG. Wonderful cooperation and mentoring going on. Way to go, Tony!
I'm a mechanic up in Ontario and I was dealing with the customer that had bought a 76 Corvette they look beautiful but was so unsafe typical beautiful paint job I was asked to testify in court against the dealership that sold the car and the judges response to the case was fire beware and awarded the case to the seller that couldn't believe it Tony good luck with you endeavor I understand what you're talking about but the legal system has to step up
Lol.. I had to skip an ad from... you guessed it... Rock Auto.. to see this vid!
Thanks for all you do, Tony!
Always Red, because it is known as resell red. Easy to sell. However that shop should be closed due to releasing a unsafe vehicle period. It is called liability, all business have liability in some way. That owner should speak to an attorney about that lack of safe product. Good luck and thank you for being brave enough to name the shop Tony.
I got that exact same box as a replacement for my Dodge B350 van. I was also puzzled as to what the box was, but it was the only reasonably priced one I could find. I also had fitment issues, I had to grind the steering mount for it to clear the new box. It seems to have been working nicely the last few months though
Hi,
Did the rest of the linkage work without adjustment? Same arm? Same steering column joint?
Thank you
@@stuckinmygarage6220 I was very concerned that the linkages wouldn't work, but overall it was alright. Only thing is that my steering wheel is slightly turned when I'm going straight. It's very cold out so I didn't look too much into it. Did you encounter one of these boxes in the wild?
@@Liam8488 Hi,
The steering wheel is easily adjusted, but means you will need to pull off the coupler end and put it back on the steering box when u have straightened out the wheel. You can get someone to hold it straight.
It looks nice straight, when going down the highway, true. But, I like putting my arm out on the window channel, and my left hand rests in such a spot that having one of the spokes up from 9:30 and set to 10:30 is more comfortable.
I commented earlier that when ordering from RockAuto, I sent back twice the funny new replacements. The third one came as expected.
We sent pics of our original and what they were sending.
That was 2018-2019.
It ran a Rock Auto advert right after you said don’t bother with it. That’s a funny coincidence there
Good old Resale Red. Done in hopes buyers will be so dazzled by the color they won’t see the garbage.
The shop that did that Ford (Possum Hollow Garage) if you go to their website they say that the turn around to get your truck done by them is likely 2 years plus. They have about a 1 year wait. And then about a year or more once work starts. So you could be out 70-100k, 2-3 years, and your dreams by taking your truck there. So that's cool.
Just the name of that place is a red flag for me.. may as well call it Dodgy Work Done Here.
I recoment to keep the old steering box and get a good rebuild kit (edelmann) + replace the bearings. If the box has a needle bearing take a Koyo bearing and the bushing in the cover replace by a bronce bushing with 0,04mm gap. Check the balls at the wormgear, with good adjustment you will be very happy. I rebuild boxes for some friends and myselve, its the best option. Today there are not many shops which know how to do it coreect.
Sounds like you know the business!
@@timothykeith1367 correct
I love how right when you said save your money don't buy from rockauto an ad from them popped up lmao
Working in a large car museum where there was 100 point restored cars, low mile original cars. Then there were car that were deemed "whip cream on dog poop" due to the covered rust, Bondo, incomplete or no work done. Poor brakes, leaky radiator, bare wiring, poor shocks . Rust in and on the frame.. Yet these cars were sold to the owner of the museum as a good running complete car. Nice paint, tires, hubcaps, upholstery, headliner, doors, floor carpet, mats...but nothing else done ....!
Yeah, Lares Corp, got 2 boxes from them. One was wrong the other was assembled wrong so I ended up rebuilding the OEM box. They made me pay shipping both ways even with it being their fault.
Shops like that should have their names put out on the video, so that they go out of business!
Good luck with Rockauto. If you're honest and click the box that says you attempted to install their defective part, they will automatically deny your return. I'm shocked they only managed to extort a small amount of money out of you after you managed to actually get some customer service out of them.
I won't go as far as to say I don't do business with them, but I don't take any chances on them after getting burned a couple of times. If it's something that's almost impossible to screw up and dirt cheap, then I'll try them. If not, I pay more (or often times less), elsewhere.
A friend of mi e bought a set of aftermarket pistons to do a stock LS rebuild. Opened the box, started getting them out to assemble. Started putting rings on but did not put in the motor. He then realized a couple pistons in that 3 of them had pieces broken out on 1 side on the top edge of them. Rock Auto would not take them back because he took them out of the package! Thats the only way you could see the damage. The way theyre packaged you would never see that damage until you take them out. They refused to take them back.
I wish people would realize that that place is a joke.
I had a piece of crap Nissan that I wanted to order some junk parts for, just so it would last a few more months. The bargain basement stuff was shipped from like 5 places and the shipping was nuts.
It was just as much if not more than a total for the middle road stuff shipped from one spot.
Cute how those stocking games work and the cheap stuff ends up costing as much as mid grade.
Needless to say I ended up going to the local box store and saved a few bucks on reevaluating the parts I could live without.
Might be ok for looking up parts on domestic stuff ,but anything foreign I've dealt with has been a pita.
@@MrTheHillfolk If you have the patience for their shell game (and the rules change as you play... so pay attention), you can get junk parts for cheap prices. I think I spent $30 total for cap/rotor/wires/plugs for my 258 a few months ago just by playing with adding the cheapest options to my cart and getting it narrowed down to one warehouse. For stuff like that, they're hard to beat.
I will not be buying any item over $100 from them again. I had basically the same experience as Curt up the page. Their opinion is that as soon as you open the box, you own it and it's _your_ fault.
Rock Auto sells rebuilt boxes too. I just bought one for my 1972 Duster 340.
Uncle Tony thank you for this video this is obviously the best video I’ve ever seen by you, I had my old 91.5 dodge worked on by a shop over on the other side of Cockerton PA that guy he did so much stuff to my truck charging system was not working battery was ruined didn’t hook ground wires up for the transmission so I had no speedo measurement no overdrive took my old cylinder head laid it in the back of my truck which this had had been rebuilt but I had to Hamilton Cham stage two had to upgrade he takes my old cylinder head and less in the back of the bed of my truck gets all rusty and speak in a rusty didn’t even Harley pink my brand new head I’ve supply paint and stuff like that I mean the list goes on I could tell you sold the coolant line going back to the heat exchanger on the side of my Cummins motor broken broke the transmission line coming up to it all right I’m gonna Scott he just has a jag off his shop is near Atlantic PA anyways thank you again Tony for having this video
That red paint job thing is called “Resale Red” and should be a red flag.
Happy thanksgiving, Tony.
Safe travels 🐾
Great idea, Tony. Out those robbers. The truck video was good to watch, but hard to watch. I felt bad for that lady. But be careful. In TN, there is a law that you can't disparage people for bad work - because you can hurt their business. I wish I was making this up. I knew a guy who bought an expensive home that was built over an underground creek. He shot footage and had ABC's 2020 show lined up to do a spot. His lawyer advised against it. He was my computer customer. I knew him well. A savvy guy. Not a fool. TN is a little too anti-consumer.
Tony is a class act. Probably will never get rich unfortunately.
Charlatans or con artists, criminals no matter how you cut it. That's what they are.
I like Josh... I do kinda feel sorry for him. Working on old cars always did come with the fix this bit, you'll need to do these bits too risk. On top of that there's the, I've got it apart, may as well do this other bit... Next thing you know you've rebuilt most of the car (I've did a couple of wee jobs, that turned into heads off... exhaust off, may as well take the engine out type things.
I was always thankful that in old Vauxhall cars (I'm in Scotland) from the 80s at least, to change a clutch, all you had to do was drive the front up a ramp, take off about 6 bolts, drop a plate, push in the pressure plate, clutch plate pulls out, bearing and pressure plate comes out, reverse the process to get the new bits in, stick the cover back on and you're good to go, 30 minute job. Also, almost any engine could be put in any of their cars, same mounts in the same locations (GM products)... Just, you know... Don't tell the insurance company... 😆
Anyhoo...
Josh seems to have the right attitude for working on the old cars. If it needs doing, do it and he's asking the questions as he's going. I don't want to seem condescending but that's how I determine, early on, if an apprentice is going to be any good and worth my effort to train them and I think it applies when someone's picking your brain in something like this too... No such thing as a stupid question as it reduces the chances of stupid mistakes.
It's a shame Graveyard Cars is a thing already as I think it would make a good name for your new name n shame segment... Although these people seem determined to put people in their graves as opposed rescue Mopars from ending up on the scrapheap.
I had a similar situation with my steering box in my 75 Laguna. Apparently, between 75 and 77, GM changed the spline count on the input shaft. The 75 box is a unicorn. I couldn't find one. I wound up swapping the box, the intermediate shaft, and the steering column. The box out of a 76 GP, the column out of an 81 Cutlass. I'd like to find a column out of anything that didn't have a column shifter.
Just a few months ago I decided to put that exact same box in my car, and ran into the exact same problems. The holes are out just enough that it refuses to fit. I'm stubborn though, and I ground on it with the burr bit until it did line up, only to find that I also had to grind off the truck mounting pad from the Magnum engine block. Took me about 6 hours of trial and error but it works like a charm now. It also steers much quicker and I was able to remove a few dents from my headers because the fat part of the new box was a little shorter than the stock one and left more room for header tubes.
Was a square body Chevy in my city that was "restored" for 25k not sure what I liked more, the front driveline missing straps and bolts, and beating up the header with holes, OR the 6" wood screws holding a fire extinguisher behind the seat, through the cab into the bed sticking out. The list went on. Last time I saw it was down to 8k or so. Haha
Lares are one of the cheaper brands, had issues with them too but Rockauto offer multiple brands. We replaced with a better brand from Rockauto's list and that one was good, offered a core recharge too.
I replaced my dizzy cap with a new one. Within 6 months the centre electrode was completely wiped out. I salvaged a 'new' electrode from a junk yard .. seems to be lasting well (after its already had a 30 year life)
The gas tank hackery turns a thief into a murderer.
Good job Tony. One American at a time, using our rights as taxpayers, can move mountains. We are the majority. Thanks.
Josh, unless you know the part number before you go there. Do not buy from rock auto. I bought a headliner from them for a 77 Chevy, I selected for a truck with factory headliner, by mistake. Got it in, realized my mistake, shipped it back and paid a restocking fee and return shipping. Which I didn't view as a big deal, my mistake ya know? Then I ordered one for without a factory headliner. It was the EXACT same one, absolutely no difference between it and the one I shipped back. So I called them, thinking this has to be a mistake. No, it wasn't. And they were extremely rude about it. Basically I went the long way around to pay more for the same part, plus return shipping, plus a restocking fee. I'll still buy from there, but only if I know the exact part number of what I need before I order it, never use them as a guide as to what is the correct part.
Kiwi said the work on the truck was 60-70 grand. I’d bet money that it wasn’t nearly that much, and that is why they cut so many corners. Good shops charge a lot of money for the labor to do it right. Shoddy shops do it for half price and people get what they paid for… it pays to get referrals and get several quotes and estimates. If one shop is much cheaper than the others….stay away from them!
I've had good experiences and bad experiences from different parts stores, most of them will try to make it right, but the ones that won't, I don't deal with them anymore, built my 57 Chevy in 2009, trying to put modern amenities on these older cars create problems but when it turns out well, there's satisfaction from that again uncle Tony good infro.
UTG “to catch a predator”!
its so cool your teaching the younger gen!
I'm glad to have grown up in the day of leaded gas and the carburetor ✌️
Thank you for the information ! You can make a difference!
God Bless you 🙏 ❤️
Currently re-watching The Sopranos (as everybody should do from time to time) and hearing Tony say "agita" gave me a kick!
Looks like the borgeson steering box, it takes some fab work to put in but its suppose to be smaller and lighter upgrade. All the info is on the online
Its a Lares. They are just horrible Quality
Yah, I agree....just like the food business has a health inspector....The Auto restoration business needs a similar control....especially when you consider all the hoops that the new car manufacturer has to go through to bring a model to fruition/production. The reality of it is, if I see these disparities THEN how much of this shadey work is really going on? One of the main things that made me take control of my car repairs and have a more understanding goes back to my early 20's, when I took my '80 Z28 to a well known tune up establishment and asked them for a tune up which included new spark plugs. After I got home and was looking under the hood I was able to see that the two most rear plugs on both banks were still rusty looking. I had this sinking feeling and was absolutely appauled at the thought that they ripped me off. Long story short, the manager said , "yes, those are hard plugs to get to besides the mechanic is having personal problems etc etc....." He appologized and made things right BUT from then on, I understood Caveat Emptor. Thanks UT
I have a small engine shop in Florida, the shop next to me is auto upholstery. He had a beautiful 65 or 66 Mustang convertible. The car completely redone. The quarter panels and wheel houses replaced. Here's bad part,, the inner wheel houses are for a hard top. They hacked holes in them for the convertible top assembly to go down all the way. That shop should be put in jail.
I love this idea of calling out bad shops, but I would also like to see equal coverage of the good ones out there. I'd like to know who I can buy from or have build for me, should I ever decide I need to do that. Both of those services are equally important and valuable to consumers and equally good for the industry as a whole.
V8 Speed and Resto Shop in Red Bud, IL is among the best and most transparent shops out there. Straight up as honest as the day is long.
I applaud your efforts to root out the bad actors in the industry and wish you well in your endeavors. This kind of crap needs to be erased from existence... The red Ford F100 has a wealth of examples of what not to do and what to look for... I don't know the ins and outs of Tennessee law, but that gas tank suspension issue needs to be run by the criminal negligence statutes to see if anything will stick... There is no way that was "acceptable". I can't even imagine a shop, that does shoddy work by design, letting that out on the street.
GREAT idea, Tony! I feel awful for the lady with that pickup....
I would be one of those people at greatest risk because I believe cars are made to be driven and I would drive it. Some of those disasters make my old beaters look pretty safe. Never be scared to call them out. That kind of business practice should never be allowed in any field. Nothing short of liars and thieves. I'd always be scared of the liability of call someone out on such nonsense. Glad you got what it takes.
i as well feel really bad for the lady who got the shoddy work done on her 1960 f100. i own a 1960 ford that i have done all the work on. but it is just a beat up work truck so i dont feel bad if there is little body filler.but i was amazed at what a terrible mess that truck was underneath! and the fuel issue could have been avoided with a fuel filler hose and a few hose clamps but i guess the tank would have to be lower for that. the fuel line coupler from the fuel pump to carb was really a nice touch also.love your channel keep up the good work
I bought a similar close ratio steering box for my G-Body and it was perfect. Maybe you just need to return it and ask for a replacement. Could be a fluke. If it happens twice, well.... that just sucks.
Uncle Tony: Those people at the "Holler" should be in JAIL!