I love listening to David Fitzgerald, his book “Nailed” was one of the reasons that made me look into the evidence they say we had for Jesus. What he shares and the amount of research he’s done is simply amazing. Thanks for this interview Tim!! Video gold
if you liked his book check out 'dragons in genesis podcast' on youtube, all his playlistt specifically his 'enoch' , 'new testament' and 'shift in judaism' playlist which uncovers the origins of the jeebus character....its amazingly revealing
I hope you guys know that there are thousands of people out here that have been helped by your research. Thank you. I now have the final piece that completes the puzzle.
An interesting thought i had recently is that… if you remove the religious context from bible stories (adam and eve, noah, david and goliath, etc) these stories clearly have the texture of fairy tales
Good mention of Zoroastrianism! I'm comparing the name "Abraham" and the name "Ahura Mazda" and I'm realizing that "Abraham" could be derived from "Ahura Mazda"! Ahura Mazda ---> Ahura M. ---> Ahuram ---> Ahvram ---> Avram ---> Avraham ---> Abraham
Abraham literally came from a Pagan household. Of course his own name will reflect this. It doesn’t mean he worships that god. The king of Babylon had his name from a pagan religion, but he tossed away the idols after his experiences with Daniel, and his son was punished for putting them back in.
David Fitzgerald is AWESOME! He has an abundance of knowledge and he explains things in simple terms so that layman like myself can understand! THANK YOU FOR HAVING HIM ON!💯👍🏿💪🏿
I've been watching you from the start and certainly remember David and that first interview. You'll never know how much this has all helped me. Thank you!
I suspect that the reason why many scholars, specifically non-believing academics, don't want to think about, look into, or accept the idea that Jesus, Mohammed, Moses, Buddha, etc, either didn't exist or were nothing like the accepted stories is because it's a bridge too far. It ventures into the potential realm of offense. It's one thing to discount the supernatural aspects of the stories and beliefs, it's something altogether different to say either this person was nothing like what's described or was a complete fiction. Western, non Muslim scholars studying Islam have feared for their life for presenting such an idea that Mohammad was either a mishmash of a couple people or a complete fiction.
Absolutely. Real scholars doing actual secular academics just don't want to deal with the potential backlash and very real threat to their careers, so they stay away from the discussion all together. Or simply say "ok" to whatever "consensus" the "experts" in the field of the particular pseudoscholarship in question put forth, so long as it's something not totally absurd. It's sort of a delusive negotiation between the dominant living religion and a poorly handled humanities toolchain.
Bishop Sebeos wrote in his "History of Heraclius" that the Jews of Edessa induced the pagan Arabs to fight the Byzantines for them by convincing the Arabs they were related using the mythology of Ishmael. This is the true creation of Islam. The creators of Christianity were also Jews. Saul of Tarsus (St. Paul) was a Pharisee who wanted the 70 Nations (the Gentiles) to become Noachides. The converting work of Shimon Kepah (St. Peter) is still celebrated in Judaism by fasting for him on the 9th of Teves. All the Abrahamic religions are confidence tricks.
Jesus literally attacks entire nations for mocking him in the current day with power cuts, floods, and invasions. Which means that Moses has to be right and you are disconnecting a huge period of history and corrupting it with forgeries. Which is expected since you fools managed to make our currency into a forgery, allowing the corrupt to do whatever they want with money they don’t actually have.
if you liked his book check out 'dragons in genesis podcast' on youtube, all his playlistt specifically his 'enoch' , 'new testament' and 'shift in judaism' playlist which uncovers the origins of the jeebus character....its amazingly revealing
Yay! So happy to see this interview on my feed! I have read several of David Fitzgerald's books - they were so well-written and super helpful and concise! The book on the history and development of the church of LDS fascinated me.
I've taught a few Zoroastrians, who were surprised that I had heard of their belief system (which has great respect for dogs), but, a few years ago, in an episode of "The Simpsons", Millhouse mentioned it to Bart, re the god's name being Uhura Mazda, but didn't mention anything else. Re masculine gods, a senior US military psychologist did some research, and discovered that societies with more masculine gods were always more violent societies. Even as a little kid, calling god by the male pronoun just sounded so very wrong.
@@MRJH916 That sounds vaguely familiar. Maybe he didn't know about it, or maybe he was using a time period from somewhen until the preset day. I'm pissed off that I didn't make a note of his name, so I could check the study.
Wow! Great video conversation. Thank for the effort you put forth here and your questions, Tim. Many of us may have some intuitive sense about David's viewpoint, but it is terrific to hear the expanded version with supporting facts. Interesting to consider that human history and philosophy are all evolutionary too, not just the science of organic life. Seems so obvious, but filling in the blanks on how it happened was difficult to figure out. After hearing this video, many questions answered. Thank you!
Dr. Richard Carrier reckons that he could have been invented purely from the parable characters introduced by the Judeo-Greco mystery schools in their 'holy books'. th-cam.com/video/E6Psu5X2X1w/w-d-xo.html
There should be a magnum opus about the “evolution of abrahamic mythology and religion”. I am sure it will be best-seller but also the most criticized book among Abrahamic circles lol cause this is revolutionary i think!
@@MRJH916 ah being selective won't be a good idea. Cause obviously any blind person worth their salt would be able to tell that they are the same, made-up to support their regional temporal agenda. But hey thanks for letting me . I will surely look into it and see. It's always good to learn different perspectives. :)
@@MRJH916 Jay Smith's myopia is amusing. He does seem to have ceased promoting the work of AJ Deus because it highlights the deception of using the mythology of the ancient Hebrews to influence the Gentiles. It says so much.
@@MRJH916 Jay Smith will grab onto anything that he thinks will support his agenda. He knows 99% of his audience are locked into his agenda so it doesn't matter what he presents to them in passing. They will bounce back in line regardless. Some of AJ Deus' work can be sourced from the web.
@@Simon.the.Likeable So the entire episode of Jews being punished and cursed for rejecting Jesus is fake because you are ignoring them and the new figtree (Israel), despite knowing they do exist and they are shoved into Israel. Seriously, your conspiracy theory season was over since Israel came back.
@@justice8718 No one is being "shoved into Israel." That's your conspiracy theory. Discrimination has happened to them because they have always set themselves apart from everyone else. They have always considered themselves separate from the 70 Nations.
It’s refreshing to hear from someone who didn’t fall down the rabbit hole like me; someone for whom it’s all just interesting and kinda fun to look at. Listening today I wished that the canon of scripture had never been formed. Would fundamentalism have gotten off the ground if the Gospel of Peter been kept with its depiction of the Cross of Christ speaking as Jesus carried it having risen again? In light of this the formation of the canon is a more calumnious affair in as much as it sought to abet passing off this religion as based in historical fact.
Jesus wanted it. The numbers in the KJV declare it. He picked those men and you will not ignore them and pretend they’ve never existed. You will not and cannot stop us.
Not all Trump supporters are fundamentalists. Some just want a better country. But good job David as always, plan to read all your books. You’ve always been a favorite.
After reading The Source by Michener it was clear the evolution of religion. The rules change depending on who's in charge, and what the needs are. Loved the show!
I just find that all origin stories and the incredible number of gods,dieties was at its earliest just humans trying to explain their environment and everything they experienced. Trying to explain circumstances may just have given them some feeling of control and decrease in anxiety.
Ran out and got Vol. II of Playing God after hearing him mention it elsewhere. (Already devoured Nailed and Mything in Action months ago.) David was my introduction to mythicism on a call in show with Traci years ago.
13:00 "This is just christians being Christians." True. And Jews being Jews, and Muslims being Muslims, and Buddhist being Buddhist. In essence biased believers being biased believers. Which can be anyone in any circle of community who is not vigilant & willing to pay attention to their personal motivations for accepting any type of beliefs. Keep up the great work gentlemen 💪
*The Enuma Elish would later be the inspiration for the Hebrew scribes who created the text now known as the biblical Book of Genesis.* Prior to the 19th century CE, the Bible was considered the oldest book in the world and its narratives were thought to be completely original. In the mid-19th century CE, however, European museums, as well as academic and religious institutions, sponsored excavations in Mesopotamia to find physical evidence for historical corroboration of the stories in the Bible. ***These excavations found quite the opposite, however, in that, once cuneiform was translated, it was understood that a number of biblical narratives were Mesopotamian in origin.*** *Famous stories such as the Fall of Man and the Great Flood were originally conceived and written down in Sumer,* translated and modified later in Babylon, and reworked by the Assyrians ***before they were used by the Hebrew scribes for the versions which appear in the Bible.*** ***In revising the Mesopotamian creation story for their own ends, the Hebrew scribes tightened the narrative and the focus but retained the concept of the all-powerful deity who brings order from chaos.*** Marduk, in the Enuma Elish, establishes the recognizable order of the world - *just as God does in the Genesis tale* - and human beings are expected to recognize this great gift and honor the deity through service. *"Enuma Elish - The Babylonian Epic of Creation - Full Text - World History Encyclopedia"* *"Sumerian Is the World's Oldest Written Language | ProLingo"* *"Sumerian Civilization: Inventing the Future - World History Encyclopedia"* ("The Sumerians were the people of southern Mesopotamia whose civilization flourished between c. 4100-1750 BCE." "Ancient Israelites and their origins date back to 1800-1200 BCE.") *"The Myth of Adapa - World History Encyclopedia"* Also discussed by Professor Christine Hayes at Yale University in her 1st lecture of the series on the Hebrew Bible from 8:50 to 14:30 minutes, lecture 3 from 28:30 to 41:35 minutes, lecture 4 from 0:00 up to 21:30 minutes and 24:00 up to 35:30 minutes and lecture 7 from 24:20 to 25:10 minutes. From a Biblical scholar: "Many stories in the ancient world have their origins in other stories and were borrowed and modified from other or earlier peoples. *For instance, many of the stories now preserved in the Bible are* ***modified*** *versions of stories that existed in the cultures and traditions of Israel’s* ***older*** *contemporaries.* Stories about the creation of the universe, a cataclysmic universal flood, digging wells as land markers, the naming of important cultic sites, gods giving laws to their people, and even stories about gods decreeing the possession of land to their people were all part of the cultural and literary matrix of the ancient Near East. *Biblical scribes freely* ***adopted and modified*** *these stories as a means to express their own identity, origins, and customs."* *"Stories from the Bible"* by Dr Steven DiMattei, from his website *"Biblical Contradictions"* ------------------------------------------------------------------ In addition, look up the below articles. *"Genesis 1:1-2 --- not a creation ex nihilo"* - Dr Steven DiMattei *"Yahweh was just an ancient Canaanite god. We have been deceived! - Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"* *"Hammurabi - World History Encyclopedia"* (Hammurabi (r. 1792-1750 BCE) was the sixth king of the Amorite First Dynasty of Babylon best known for his famous law code which served as the model for others, *including the Mosaic Law of the Bible.)* *"Debunking the Devil - Michael A. Sherlock (Author)"* *"The Greatest Trick Religion Ever Pulled: Convincing Us That Satan Exists | Atheomedy"* *"Zoroastrianism And Persian Mythology: The Foundation Of Belief"* (Scroll to the last section: Zoroastrianism is the Foundation of Western Belief) *"10 Ways The Bible Was Influenced By Other Religions - Listverse"* *"January | 2014 | Atheomedy"* - Where the Hell Did the Idea of Hell Come From? *"Retired bishop explains the reason why the Church invented "Hell" - Ideapod"* Watch *"The Origins of Salvation, Judgement and Hell"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica (Sensitive theists should only watch from 7:00 to 17:30 minutes as evangelical Christians are lambasted. He's a former theist and has been studying the scholarship and comparative religions for over 15 years) *"Top Ten Reasons Noah’s Flood is Mythology - The Sensuous Curmudgeon"* *"Forget about Noah's Ark; There Was No Worldwide Flood | Bible Interp"* *"The Search for Noah’s Flood - Biblical Archaeology Society"* *"Eridu Genesis - World History Encyclopedia"* *"The Atrahasis Epic: The Great Flood & the Meaning of Suffering - World History Encyclopedia"* Watch *"How Aron Ra Debunks Noah's Flood"* (8 part series debunking Noah's flood using multiple branches of science) *"The Adam and Eve myth - News24"* *"Before Adam and Eve - Psychology Today"* *"Gilgamesh vs. Noah - Wordpress"* *"Old Testament Tales Were Stolen From Other Cultures - Griffin"* *"Parallelism between “The Hymn to Aten” and Psalm 104 - Project Augustine"* *"Studying the Bible"* - by Dr Steven DiMattei (This particular article from a critical Biblical scholar highlights how the authors of the Hebrew Bible used their *fictional* god as a mouthpiece for their own views and ideologies) *"How do we know that the biblical writers were* ***not*** *writing history?"* -- by Dr Steven DiMattei *"Contradictions in the Bible | Identified verse by verse and explained using the most up-to-date scholarly information about the Bible, its texts, and the men who wrote them"* -- by Dr. Steven DiMattei
50:00 i think it's really prudent to mention that people defending religion imply that even if it's fake, it's needed to thwart nihilism and crime, but many crimes and much nihilism are a direct result of the abrahamic religions. Nihilism is pretty much built into christianity, and you can see it surface when they talk about what things would be like if they found out their delusion was not real; about how things have no purpose and people have no value if they arent commanded to think that way by an authority. And how much would suicide bombings and honor killings drop if these barbaric beliefs were finally brought to heel? Not that it would solve everything, but if anyone "believes just because they want to sin", it's the typical moderate abrahamic monotheist, so that lack of excuses would at least slow them down. 1:15:00 this is actually really obvious in Paul and his works. He persecuted christians then one day decided that he wanted to rule over them instead, faking his conversion and then dictating himself over a lot of pre-established scripture. there's even a point where he says that even if an angel were to come down from the heavens to instruct you, you should believe and follow Paul instead. He absolutely wanted political control over christianity at all costs, and the christians basically let him take it. I can only imagine what ridiculous situations led up to the allowance of that whole mess. also, try not to use covid metaphors; it actually really didnt go over so well for the people pushing the vaccines and whatnot. you kinda shot yourself in the foot on that one.
Historians generally agree that Siddhartha Gautama (the Buddha) was an historical figure. I don't know why Fitzgerald keeps calling that into question in various interviews.
Because if Buddha was real, he would have to account for the potential existence of Jesus, his true fear that has far more active and physical evidence, including an entire history book foretelling his coming.
@@justice8718 Certainly that was one of the most absurd comments I've ever read. The Bible, for instance, is hardly a "history book" as it's filled with tales about things that never happened (the Flood, the Exodus story, etc. etc.) and there are numerous Old Testament "foretellings" about the messiah that Jesus didn't fulfill... there are entire TH-cam videos devoted to that subject. And of course one could cite countless figures known to be historical who didn't "account' for Jesus.
@@c.a.t.732 The flood evidence is everywhere. We have the presence of the seas on our mountains and people all over the world telling of a flood so mighty, the only escape was a boat. The same people that have described monsters and giants that are in Genesis 6. Exodus was recorded by angry Egyptians who no longer feared death just by their rage against their ruler and the state of their nation.
@@justice8718 There were literate civilizations on the Earth at the time of the supposed Flood that never mention it, and or course weren't wiped out either. The "presence of seas on our mountains" has to do with plate tectonics and the rising of land that was once on the sea bed as the mountains were formed over millions of years. You really ought to take a science course and learn about geology, biology and other subjects instead of spouting nonsense you picked up from Christian apologists.
There is no evidence Siddhartha Gautama existed. There are just people who believe he existed. Every "detail" about his life is traditional belief, not verifiable. That's how it is with anyone from ancient history. There's usually a lack of records and therefore, there's always a possibility they didn't really exist.
Great interview. I don't think he ever answered you about a possible reason for patriarchy to take over all the religions. He kept going to the origins of monotheism, and I do think those are connected. But hypothetically, it would have been possible to have a monotheistic deity that was female. (I've known even a few pagans who adopted that view for themselves.) Yet it never happened on any scale in human history. I suspect that the chances were lower because the most primal thing one can say about the female sex is that it makes babies. So it's inherently relational. Madonna and child images, the Isis and Osiris images they came from, and pregnant women images -- these all include both genders by their nature. If you're going to divorce a deity from all the rest of the universe and divorce one gender into superiority over the other, it's probably going to be the male gender. Also, of course, it tended to be males who set themselves up in power over others at the top of a hierarchy. Men participate in war and violence more often than women, and very few people who violently seize power are going to tolerate worship of a monotheistic deity of the opposite gender. The person at the top wants to be the representation of the most high deity on earth.
They are Jewish manuscripts from the fifth century BC written by a Jewish community living on an island in the Nile River in Egypt. Take a look at: russellgmirkin.com/ and videos on MythVision: www.youtube.com/@MythVisionPodcast/search?query=elephantine
Is the zodiac really a set of twelve - and only twelve - INDIVIDUAL star clusters or did the ancients just PERCEIVED this division (i.e., they could have just have easily "seen" 11 or 13 or any number you want)? I know that what stars seem as adjacent are only that way as seen from the view point of earth. I am amazed at how they could see say 10 stars and imagine it represents a complex design when often some of the stars appear to be peppered into their imaginary design. More like someone shot buckshot at a drawing and then claim the buckshot by themselves produce an image. Like someone could claim there are only 8 signs, with signs for Snow White, Dopey, Grumpy, and so on.
The number 7 is used throughout Abrahamic religions. It represents the seven planets (wandering stars) visible to the naked eye. (Snow White would be the Sun in that allegory.) The black cube of the tefillin and the Kaaba represent Saturn, the seventh planet.
I have a problem with some of the mythicist ideas/ work and it's the exact same problem I have encountered with every historicist idea / work That being that they are all built upon this bizarrely privileged given, that the NT is presenting an actual historical narrative, albeit a fantastically embellished one. And I not only do not see any case made anywhere, it's never referenced even as to hint that it is something that needs to be established. Books are published and history courses are created and videos are made and there is this amazing lack of even pretending that is a concept that is connected to historians methods, and might be a fundamental thing for scholars to establish for theaudience. I was raised without religion, without any hint of the idea that the Bible contains history in any way. From my view there are glaringly obvious problems being ignored. There is a bonkers level of unexplained 'well obviously this is so well established, that even people new to learning about this know enough to never need that explained'
Literal interperpetration of the bible didn't come to full fruition until the protestant reformation and th enlightenment. Christian docrine and theology is mainly based on allegorical readings of the bible.
What is allegorical about Jesus flooding the entire world because mankind and fallen angels corrupted it and themselves with the mad science we are now returning back to? Seriously. We have so many monster sightings now.
Regarding the idea that christianity is different because its not dependent on works but belief alone. Sure this is what so many in the church claim but it doesn't reflect the reality at all. First of all faith itself isnt just a gift dropped out of the sky that once opened remains with you like a pristine diamond never needing anything but a neck to hang around. Instead it is something which requires personal effort, and that effort has a goal. That alone is work. The bible warns many times to keep the faith to stay strong and focused on God. All requiring effort. The apostles thenselves ask for their faith ro be strenghthened. And all the rhetoric about it coming from the Gods alone is merely deceptive indoctrination motivating Christians to selftalk (pray) their mind into producing more of the required belief. Prayer itself is both a required ritual and a task the rquires effort toward a goal. Again, that is a work. And then theres baptism which Jesus states is a required act for salvation. An example of another ritual that is a "work". Then theres the work of reading and studying the bible. The work of attending church. For some denominations this is more than obce a week, but once a week is more of an act that is both ritual and work. Then theres the workas described in the sermon on the mount of feeding the poor, helping the sick... More work. Also for 1500 years all Christians were required to give confessions. More ritual and more work. Im sure there are more but this shows how in spite of the claims of being only belief is necessary its just another illusury claim. And work is clearly required both from the doctrines themselves and the church community. It is only by works that the church and brethen will accept others truly as christians. No so called believer can get away with saying theyre a believer yet never pray, never read the bible, and never make the slightest effort to do good. They wouldn't even remain at faith in the most basic level. No instead being a Christian requires works,, rituals, and constant energizing of faith.
Dr. Richard Carrier "nails" the coffin shut on whether Jesus existed or not in this single presentation. It's an amazing video - "Christianity without Jesus" - th-cam.com/video/kn7TEoA9ark/w-d-xo.html
I take issue with the idea that Daoism is the same as Buddhism. There may be common ancient cultural roots, but the fundamental philosophies are very different.
Where did those people long before our time come from, actually where and how did anyone get here on earth? I’m not understanding how humans got here, where did we come from?
The science shows were are descended from the ape family. It's postulated that when dinosaurs went extinct 65 million years ago, we were some sort of burrowing mammal.
@BenXavier-v3u from head to toe the way we are made tells me that, some HIGHLY intelligent force has to be behind it. Whatever comes together in the DNA and RNA couldn’t possibly put a human being or animals together, and then make them talk, and use the other senses we have. This whole life thing is confusing to me to be honest about it. However we got here, life is still confusing and very much off balance in all kind of ways. That’s my opinion…..CHAOS at its finest…..
Esoteric Christianity: Hosea 4:6 - "My people perish for lack of Self-Knowing (Gnosis)." Gnosis = Self-knowing = Delphic Oracle = Know Thyself John 8:32 - "And you shall know the Word of Truth (Logos), and the Light (Wisdom and Understanding) of the Truth shall set you free from bondage to the darkness of ignorance and folly." The Word of Truth (Logos) is ever faithful (loyal, true, isomorphic) to Reality/Life (That which is/That I am). Galatians 4:24 - "Which things are an allegory." Matthew 16:6 - "Then Jesus said unto them, take heed and beware the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees." Matthew 16:11 - "How is it that you do not understand that I spake not concerning bread, that you should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees (literalists and legalists). Matthew 16:12 - "Then understood they that he bade them not beware the leaven of bread, but of the 'doctrine' of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees." Esoteric Zoroastrianism: Ahura Mazda = Awareness Spenta/Angra Mainyu = Experience Rainbow Bridge = Conversion Ashiman = Constructive Impulse Ahriman = Destructive Impulse When experience contains awareness there is chaos, bondage, reaction. When awareness contains experience there is order, Sovereignty, response. Ultimately, the most significant choice that we can make at any moment of the day is between unconscious compulsive reaction and conscious creative response. Dream your experience. Experience your dream. The ruling elite created the gods to justify their right to rule. The only true authority is the Authority of Truth. John 18:38 - "What is Truth?" 1 John 1:1 - "The Word of Life." John 10:10 - "Behold I am (Life) is come that you might have (inspired) Life, and have it more abundantly." Proverbs 15:24 - "The Way of (inspired) Life is above to the Wise, that they may depart from hell below." 1 Cor. 4:20 - "The Kingdom of (inspired) Life comes not in word, but in power." Isaiah 30:7 - "Their strength is to sit still." Exodus 14:14 - "The Spirit (of Truth) will fight for you and you shall hold your peace." Isaiah 26:3 - " You (inspired Life) will keep them in perfect peace who's mind is staid on you." Psalms 48:10 - "Be still and know that I am, you are, we are Life at Large eternally actualizing infinite potential, because only Eternity can fully embrace Infinity." All change for the better begins at the still point of silence -simply being aware of being aware (Gnosis). John 14:6 - "I am (is) the Way, the Truth and the Life."
I agree with what is being said. But you never proved your point. Clearly your guest never read the bible. He could have disproved everything by reference the same bible.
Forgot what part of the video it was because I was listening pretty intently and now I gotta go back a lot and listen to it again just to find it....... But you said something about faith being a blessing from God and that if you don't have faith that God didn't bless you with it and that was honestly my biggest problem with the Bible. One of the biggest problems for me was the passage where it talks about pharaoh's heart being hardened by God himself that way he may not enter the Kingdom of God and he can make a point to the jews that God was really for them and no 1 else 😂 And then they want to say God is not a regional God and he cares about everybody which is hilarious because Judaism and Christianity were a fairly local religion for a very long time. It makes you think if this religion was real then how come God somehow wasn't able to talk to the other side of the world at the same time 😂 Archaeologically there are many tribes that have evidence of things being found around the time the global flood was supposed to have biblically happened too which is funny to me.
They don't all think that. I'm not saying any of them are true but a lot of them, even some of the big ones, are more like "This one is ours and we like it. You enjoy yours and leave us alone."
@@albertprestipino3143 Why are you asking me? Ask them. You shouldn't be so quite sure until you learn more about it. You haven't studied 900 religions, you're guessing. You haven't even studied the "Big Three" in any depth or you'd know better.
@@noracola5285 IDK really...just tired of the so called Christians that spread hate and chaos..that also think it should be forced on Americans..they obviously haven't read the constitution.
@noracola5285 I'm interested in your statement that 'some of the big ones, are more like "This one is ours and we like it. You enjoy yours and leave us alone"'. That is the stance of Universalist Unitarian churches (which are small, having under a million members worldwide), but I'm wanting to understand what "big ones" officially promote that stance.
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I love listening to David Fitzgerald, his book “Nailed” was one of the reasons that made me look into the evidence they say we had for Jesus. What he shares and the amount of research he’s done is simply amazing. Thanks for this interview Tim!! Video gold
if you liked his book check out 'dragons in genesis podcast' on youtube, all his playlistt specifically his 'enoch' , 'new testament' and 'shift in judaism' playlist which uncovers the origins of the jeebus character....its amazingly revealing
@@Someone-mf1tz Thanks, I stumbled upon dragons in Genesis about a year ago. He has some excellent content.
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I hope you guys know that there are thousands of people out here that have been helped by your research. Thank you. I now have the final piece that completes the puzzle.
An interesting thought i had recently is that… if you remove the religious context from bible stories (adam and eve, noah, david and goliath, etc) these stories clearly have the texture of fairy tales
Yay! David Fitzgerald is awesome!
Good mention of Zoroastrianism! I'm comparing the name "Abraham" and the name "Ahura Mazda" and I'm realizing that "Abraham" could be derived from "Ahura Mazda"!
Ahura Mazda ---> Ahura M. ---> Ahuram ---> Ahvram ---> Avram ---> Avraham ---> Abraham
Abraham literally came from a Pagan household. Of course his own name will reflect this. It doesn’t mean he worships that god. The king of Babylon had his name from a pagan religion, but he tossed away the idols after his experiences with Daniel, and his son was punished for putting them back in.
@@justice8718 Yes that's true according to the stories but critical scholars have falsified the stories themselves 😁
@@EdwardM-t8p Like who? The dead man who never made a good society?
David Fitzgerald is AWESOME! He has an abundance of knowledge and he explains things in simple terms so that layman like myself can understand! THANK YOU FOR HAVING HIM ON!💯👍🏿💪🏿
I've been watching you from the start and certainly remember David and that first interview. You'll never know how much this has all helped me. Thank you!
I suspect that the reason why many scholars, specifically non-believing academics, don't want to think about, look into, or accept the idea that Jesus, Mohammed, Moses, Buddha, etc, either didn't exist or were nothing like the accepted stories is because it's a bridge too far. It ventures into the potential realm of offense.
It's one thing to discount the supernatural aspects of the stories and beliefs, it's something altogether different to say either this person was nothing like what's described or was a complete fiction.
Western, non Muslim scholars studying Islam have feared for their life for presenting such an idea that Mohammad was either a mishmash of a couple people or a complete fiction.
Absolutely. Real scholars doing actual secular academics just don't want to deal with the potential backlash and very real threat to their careers, so they stay away from the discussion all together. Or simply say "ok" to whatever "consensus" the "experts" in the field of the particular pseudoscholarship in question put forth, so long as it's something not totally absurd.
It's sort of a delusive negotiation between the dominant living religion and a poorly handled humanities toolchain.
Bishop Sebeos wrote in his "History of Heraclius" that the Jews of Edessa induced the pagan Arabs to fight the Byzantines for them by convincing the Arabs they were related using the mythology of Ishmael. This is the true creation of Islam. The creators of Christianity were also Jews. Saul of Tarsus (St. Paul) was a Pharisee who wanted the 70 Nations (the Gentiles) to become Noachides. The converting work of Shimon Kepah (St. Peter) is still celebrated in Judaism by fasting for him on the 9th of Teves. All the Abrahamic religions are confidence tricks.
Jesus literally attacks entire nations for mocking him in the current day with power cuts, floods, and invasions.
Which means that Moses has to be right and you are disconnecting a huge period of history and corrupting it with forgeries. Which is expected since you fools managed to make our currency into a forgery, allowing the corrupt to do whatever they want with money they don’t actually have.
It's much easier and less stressful for any of them to follow the 'comfort money' of the cultural status quo.
@@_S0me__0ne the thing is, they would have to accept Jesus as true and legit because what we found from him.
Loving David Fitzgerald!
I just watched your first interview/episode too.
Finished his book Nailed was fantastic 😅🎉
if you liked his book check out 'dragons in genesis podcast' on youtube, all his playlistt specifically his 'enoch' , 'new testament' and 'shift in judaism' playlist which uncovers the origins of the jeebus character....its amazingly revealing
Two of my favourite people together!
Yay! So happy to see this interview on my feed! I have read several of David Fitzgerald's books - they were so well-written and super helpful and concise! The book on the history and development of the church of LDS fascinated me.
good people can be convinced to partake in misguided and evil causes, when they buy into the religion
I've taught a few Zoroastrians, who were surprised that I had heard of their belief system (which has great respect for dogs), but, a few years ago, in an episode of "The Simpsons", Millhouse mentioned it to Bart, re the god's name being Uhura Mazda, but didn't mention anything else.
Re masculine gods, a senior US military psychologist did some research, and discovered that societies with more masculine gods were always more violent societies.
Even as a little kid, calling god by the male pronoun just sounded so very wrong.
I hate religion. Wasted my youth. I can't get it back.
@@Uncle_Steve71 I'm very sorry to hear that. It's so sad what these man made religions take/ steal from people. It's a disgrace actually.
@@MRJH916 That sounds vaguely familiar. Maybe he didn't know about it, or maybe he was using a time period from somewhen until the preset day.
I'm pissed off that I didn't make a note of his name, so I could check the study.
@@MRJH916 You may be thinking of the legends surrounding the goddess Kali. Her story is so potent it has crossed over into other religions.
Wow! Great video conversation. Thank for the effort you put forth here and your questions, Tim. Many of us may have some intuitive sense about David's viewpoint, but it is terrific to hear the expanded version with supporting facts. Interesting to consider that human history and philosophy are all evolutionary too, not just the science of organic life. Seems so obvious, but filling in the blanks on how it happened was difficult to figure out. After hearing this video, many questions answered. Thank you!
Nailed was one of the first books I read that led to my deconversion. Thank you for writing and speaking the truth!
Awesome Tim and David !!! Please keep up the good work !!
Thank you so much!!
David is always fun to listen to.
I believe Jesus was some random guy who was mythologized or he never existed and was invented to serve a purpose. I’m open to either.
Dr. Richard Carrier reckons that he could have been invented purely from the parable characters introduced by the Judeo-Greco mystery schools in their 'holy books'. th-cam.com/video/E6Psu5X2X1w/w-d-xo.html
You will see him sooner or later, and you will have to answer for him.
A Roman construct
@@justice8718 Your childish fears aren't everyone else's, they are yours.
@@MrAuskiwi101 There’s nothing childish about Jesus. But everything about you is childish.
There should be a magnum opus about the “evolution of abrahamic mythology and religion”. I am sure it will be best-seller but also the most criticized book among Abrahamic circles lol cause this is revolutionary i think!
@@MRJH916 ah being selective won't be a good idea. Cause obviously any blind person worth their salt would be able to tell that they are the same, made-up to support their regional temporal agenda.
But hey thanks for letting me . I will surely look into it and see. It's always good to learn different perspectives. :)
@@MRJH916 Jay Smith's myopia is amusing. He does seem to have ceased promoting the work of AJ Deus because it highlights the deception of using the mythology of the ancient Hebrews to influence the Gentiles. It says so much.
@@MRJH916 Jay Smith will grab onto anything that he thinks will support his agenda. He knows 99% of his audience are locked into his agenda so it doesn't matter what he presents to them in passing. They will bounce back in line regardless. Some of AJ Deus' work can be sourced from the web.
@@Simon.the.Likeable So the entire episode of Jews being punished and cursed for rejecting Jesus is fake because you are ignoring them and the new figtree (Israel), despite knowing they do exist and they are shoved into Israel.
Seriously, your conspiracy theory season was over since Israel came back.
@@justice8718 No one is being "shoved into Israel." That's your conspiracy theory. Discrimination has happened to them because they have always set themselves apart from everyone else. They have always considered themselves separate from the 70 Nations.
Love your commentary David. Keep up the work
It’s refreshing to hear from someone who didn’t fall down the rabbit hole like me; someone for whom it’s all just interesting and kinda fun to look at. Listening today I wished that the canon of scripture had never been formed. Would fundamentalism have gotten off the ground if the Gospel of Peter been kept with its depiction of the Cross of Christ speaking as Jesus carried it having risen again? In light of this the formation of the canon is a more calumnious affair in as much as it sought to abet passing off this religion as based in historical fact.
Jesus wanted it. The numbers in the KJV declare it. He picked those men and you will not ignore them and pretend they’ve never existed.
You will not and cannot stop us.
Not all Trump supporters are fundamentalists. Some just want a better country. But good job David as always, plan to read all your books. You’ve always been a favorite.
After reading The Source by Michener it was clear the evolution of religion. The rules change depending on who's in charge, and what the needs are. Loved the show!
Great interview Tim ❤❤❤👍👍👍
I just find that all origin stories and the incredible number of gods,dieties was at its earliest just humans trying to explain their environment and everything they experienced. Trying to explain circumstances may just have given them some feeling of control and decrease in anxiety.
No. That happened because of Genesis 6 and 11. Nimrod was a literal giant.
Ran out and got Vol. II of Playing God after hearing him mention it elsewhere. (Already devoured Nailed and Mything in Action months ago.) David was my introduction to mythicism on a call in show with Traci years ago.
13:00
"This is just christians being Christians."
True. And Jews being Jews, and Muslims being Muslims, and Buddhist being Buddhist.
In essence biased believers being biased believers.
Which can be anyone in any circle of community who is not vigilant & willing to pay attention to their personal motivations for accepting any type of beliefs.
Keep up the great work gentlemen 💪
Tim sent you a friend request on FB - this is a great video
Thanks so much David and Tim!
*The Enuma Elish would later be the inspiration for the Hebrew scribes who created the text now known as the biblical Book of Genesis.* Prior to the 19th century CE, the Bible was considered the oldest book in the world and its narratives were thought to be completely original. In the mid-19th century CE, however, European museums, as well as academic and religious institutions, sponsored excavations in Mesopotamia to find physical evidence for historical corroboration of the stories in the Bible. ***These excavations found quite the opposite, however, in that, once cuneiform was translated, it was understood that a number of biblical narratives were Mesopotamian in origin.***
*Famous stories such as the Fall of Man and the Great Flood were originally conceived and written down in Sumer,* translated and modified later in Babylon, and reworked by the Assyrians ***before they were used by the Hebrew scribes for the versions which appear in the Bible.***
***In revising the Mesopotamian creation story for their own ends, the Hebrew scribes tightened the narrative and the focus but retained the concept of the all-powerful deity who brings order from chaos.*** Marduk, in the Enuma Elish, establishes the recognizable order of the world - *just as God does in the Genesis tale* - and human beings are expected to recognize this great gift and honor the deity through service.
*"Enuma Elish - The Babylonian Epic of Creation - Full Text - World History Encyclopedia"*
*"Sumerian Is the World's Oldest Written Language | ProLingo"*
*"Sumerian Civilization: Inventing the Future - World History Encyclopedia"*
("The Sumerians were the people of southern Mesopotamia whose civilization flourished between c. 4100-1750 BCE."
"Ancient Israelites and their origins date back to 1800-1200 BCE.")
*"The Myth of Adapa - World History Encyclopedia"*
Also discussed by Professor Christine Hayes at Yale University in her 1st lecture of the series on the Hebrew Bible from 8:50 to 14:30 minutes, lecture 3 from 28:30 to 41:35 minutes, lecture 4 from 0:00 up to 21:30 minutes and 24:00 up to 35:30 minutes and lecture 7 from 24:20 to 25:10 minutes.
From a Biblical scholar:
"Many stories in the ancient world have their origins in other stories and were borrowed and modified from other or earlier peoples. *For instance, many of the stories now preserved in the Bible are* ***modified*** *versions of stories that existed in the cultures and traditions of Israel’s* ***older*** *contemporaries.* Stories about the creation of the universe, a cataclysmic universal flood, digging wells as land markers, the naming of important cultic sites, gods giving laws to their people, and even stories about gods decreeing the possession of land to their people were all part of the cultural and literary matrix of the ancient Near East. *Biblical scribes freely* ***adopted and modified*** *these stories as a means to express their own identity, origins, and customs."*
*"Stories from the Bible"* by Dr Steven DiMattei, from his website *"Biblical Contradictions"*
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In addition, look up the below articles.
*"Genesis 1:1-2 --- not a creation ex nihilo"* - Dr Steven DiMattei
*"Yahweh was just an ancient Canaanite god. We have been deceived! - Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"*
*"Hammurabi - World History Encyclopedia"*
(Hammurabi (r. 1792-1750 BCE) was the sixth king of the Amorite First Dynasty of Babylon best known for his famous law code which served as the model for others, *including the Mosaic Law of the Bible.)*
*"Debunking the Devil - Michael A. Sherlock (Author)"*
*"The Greatest Trick Religion Ever Pulled: Convincing Us That Satan Exists | Atheomedy"*
*"Zoroastrianism And Persian Mythology: The Foundation Of Belief"*
(Scroll to the last section: Zoroastrianism is the Foundation of Western Belief)
*"10 Ways The Bible Was Influenced By Other Religions - Listverse"*
*"January | 2014 | Atheomedy"* - Where the Hell Did the Idea of Hell Come From?
*"Retired bishop explains the reason why the Church invented "Hell" - Ideapod"*
Watch *"The Origins of Salvation, Judgement and Hell"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica
(Sensitive theists should only watch from 7:00 to 17:30 minutes as evangelical Christians are lambasted. He's a former theist and has been studying the scholarship and comparative religions for over 15 years)
*"Top Ten Reasons Noah’s Flood is Mythology - The Sensuous Curmudgeon"*
*"Forget about Noah's Ark; There Was No Worldwide Flood | Bible Interp"*
*"The Search for Noah’s Flood - Biblical Archaeology Society"*
*"Eridu Genesis - World History Encyclopedia"*
*"The Atrahasis Epic: The Great Flood & the Meaning of Suffering - World History Encyclopedia"*
Watch *"How Aron Ra Debunks Noah's Flood"*
(8 part series debunking Noah's flood using multiple branches of science)
*"The Adam and Eve myth - News24"*
*"Before Adam and Eve - Psychology Today"*
*"Gilgamesh vs. Noah - Wordpress"*
*"Old Testament Tales Were Stolen From Other Cultures - Griffin"*
*"Parallelism between “The Hymn to Aten” and Psalm 104 - Project Augustine"*
*"Studying the Bible"* - by Dr Steven DiMattei
(This particular article from a critical Biblical scholar highlights how the authors of the Hebrew Bible used their *fictional* god as a mouthpiece for their own views and ideologies)
*"How do we know that the biblical writers were* ***not*** *writing history?"* -- by Dr Steven DiMattei
*"Contradictions in the Bible | Identified verse by verse and explained using the most up-to-date scholarly information about the Bible, its texts, and the men who wrote them"* -- by Dr. Steven DiMattei
Exact. Monotheisme is about legitimate imperialisme. And yes, such a tremendous amount of power HAD to be masculin.
Can't understand why the little people can understand that monotheism equals absolute power an that's all there is to it.
Freddie Mercury was raised Zoroastrian though he didn’t practice as an adult. He is of Persian descent.
50:00 i think it's really prudent to mention that people defending religion imply that even if it's fake, it's needed to thwart nihilism and crime, but many crimes and much nihilism are a direct result of the abrahamic religions. Nihilism is pretty much built into christianity, and you can see it surface when they talk about what things would be like if they found out their delusion was not real; about how things have no purpose and people have no value if they arent commanded to think that way by an authority. And how much would suicide bombings and honor killings drop if these barbaric beliefs were finally brought to heel? Not that it would solve everything, but if anyone "believes just because they want to sin", it's the typical moderate abrahamic monotheist, so that lack of excuses would at least slow them down.
1:15:00 this is actually really obvious in Paul and his works. He persecuted christians then one day decided that he wanted to rule over them instead, faking his conversion and then dictating himself over a lot of pre-established scripture. there's even a point where he says that even if an angel were to come down from the heavens to instruct you, you should believe and follow Paul instead. He absolutely wanted political control over christianity at all costs, and the christians basically let him take it. I can only imagine what ridiculous situations led up to the allowance of that whole mess.
also, try not to use covid metaphors; it actually really didnt go over so well for the people pushing the vaccines and whatnot. you kinda shot yourself in the foot on that one.
Historians generally agree that Siddhartha Gautama (the Buddha) was an historical figure. I don't know why Fitzgerald keeps calling that into question in various interviews.
Because if Buddha was real, he would have to account for the potential existence of Jesus, his true fear that has far more active and physical evidence, including an entire history book foretelling his coming.
@@justice8718 Certainly that was one of the most absurd comments I've ever read. The Bible, for instance, is hardly a "history book" as it's filled with tales about things that never happened (the Flood, the Exodus story, etc. etc.) and there are numerous Old Testament "foretellings" about the messiah that Jesus didn't fulfill... there are entire TH-cam videos devoted to that subject. And of course one could cite countless figures known to be historical who didn't "account' for Jesus.
@@c.a.t.732 The flood evidence is everywhere. We have the presence of the seas on our mountains and people all over the world telling of a flood so mighty, the only escape was a boat. The same people that have described monsters and giants that are in Genesis 6.
Exodus was recorded by angry Egyptians who no longer feared death just by their rage against their ruler and the state of their nation.
@@justice8718 There were literate civilizations on the Earth at the time of the supposed Flood that never mention it, and or course weren't wiped out either. The "presence of seas on our mountains" has to do with plate tectonics and the rising of land that was once on the sea bed as the mountains were formed over millions of years. You really ought to take a science course and learn about geology, biology and other subjects instead of spouting nonsense you picked up from Christian apologists.
There is no evidence Siddhartha Gautama existed. There are just people who believe he existed. Every "detail" about his life is traditional belief, not verifiable. That's how it is with anyone from ancient history. There's usually a lack of records and therefore, there's always a possibility they didn't really exist.
Great interview.
I don't think he ever answered you about a possible reason for patriarchy to take over all the religions. He kept going to the origins of monotheism, and I do think those are connected. But hypothetically, it would have been possible to have a monotheistic deity that was female. (I've known even a few pagans who adopted that view for themselves.) Yet it never happened on any scale in human history. I suspect that the chances were lower because the most primal thing one can say about the female sex is that it makes babies. So it's inherently relational. Madonna and child images, the Isis and Osiris images they came from, and pregnant women images -- these all include both genders by their nature. If you're going to divorce a deity from all the rest of the universe and divorce one gender into superiority over the other, it's probably going to be the male gender.
Also, of course, it tended to be males who set themselves up in power over others at the top of a hierarchy. Men participate in war and violence more often than women, and very few people who violently seize power are going to tolerate worship of a monotheistic deity of the opposite gender. The person at the top wants to be the representation of the most high deity on earth.
Great interview! I do have a question about an apparent misprint in the transcript. What is “elephantine Papi”?
They are Jewish manuscripts from the fifth century BC written by a Jewish community living on an island in the Nile River in Egypt.
Take a look at: russellgmirkin.com/
and videos on MythVision: www.youtube.com/@MythVisionPodcast/search?query=elephantine
Is the zodiac really a set of twelve - and only twelve - INDIVIDUAL star clusters or did the ancients just PERCEIVED this division (i.e., they could have just have easily "seen" 11 or 13 or any number you want)? I know that what stars seem as adjacent are only that way as seen from the view point of earth.
I am amazed at how they could see say 10 stars and imagine it represents a complex design when often some of the stars appear to be peppered into their imaginary design. More like someone shot buckshot at a drawing and then claim the buckshot by themselves produce an image. Like someone could claim there are only 8 signs, with signs for Snow White, Dopey, Grumpy, and so on.
The number 7 is used throughout Abrahamic religions. It represents the seven planets (wandering stars) visible to the naked eye. (Snow White would be the Sun in that allegory.) The black cube of the tefillin and the Kaaba represent Saturn, the seventh planet.
Fiction based on faith !
A guy with the characteristics ascribed to jesus never existed. It means jesus was a myth, no question about it. Thank you, guys, for all you do.
Awesome
I have a problem with some of the mythicist ideas/ work and it's the exact same problem I have encountered with every historicist idea / work
That being that they are all built upon this bizarrely privileged given, that the NT is presenting an actual historical narrative, albeit a fantastically embellished one.
And I not only do not see any case made anywhere, it's never referenced even as to hint that it is something that needs to be established.
Books are published and history courses are created and videos are made and there is this amazing lack of even pretending that is a concept that is connected to historians methods, and might be a fundamental thing for scholars to establish for theaudience.
I was raised without religion, without any hint of the idea that the Bible contains history in any way.
From my view there are glaringly obvious problems being ignored. There is a bonkers level of unexplained 'well obviously this is so well established, that even people new to learning about this know enough to never need that explained'
Literal interperpetration of the bible didn't come to full fruition until the protestant reformation and th enlightenment. Christian docrine and theology is mainly based on allegorical readings of the bible.
What is allegorical about Jesus flooding the entire world because mankind and fallen angels corrupted it and themselves with the mad science we are now returning back to? Seriously. We have so many monster sightings now.
Regarding the idea that christianity is different because its not dependent on works but belief alone.
Sure this is what so many in the church claim but it doesn't reflect the reality at all.
First of all faith itself isnt just a gift dropped out of the sky that once opened remains with you like a pristine diamond never needing anything but a neck to hang around. Instead it is something which requires personal effort, and that effort has a goal. That alone is work.
The bible warns many times to keep the faith to stay strong and focused on God. All requiring effort. The apostles thenselves ask for their faith ro be strenghthened.
And all the rhetoric about it coming from the Gods alone is merely deceptive indoctrination motivating Christians to selftalk (pray) their mind into producing more of the required belief.
Prayer itself is both a required ritual and a task the rquires effort toward a goal.
Again, that is a work.
And then theres baptism which Jesus states is a required act for salvation. An example of another ritual that is a "work".
Then theres the work of reading and studying the bible. The work of attending church. For some denominations this is more than obce a week, but once a week is more of an act that is both ritual and work.
Then theres the workas described in the sermon on the mount of feeding the poor, helping the sick...
More work.
Also for 1500 years all Christians were required to give confessions. More ritual and more work.
Im sure there are more but this shows how in spite of the claims of being only belief is necessary its just another illusury claim.
And work is clearly required both from the doctrines themselves and the church community.
It is only by works that the church and brethen will accept others truly as christians.
No so called believer can get away with saying theyre a believer yet never pray, never read the bible, and never make the slightest effort to do good. They wouldn't even remain at faith in the most basic level.
No instead being a Christian requires works,, rituals, and constant energizing of faith.
Jejus was a fisherman who ate smelling fishyyy
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Dr. Richard Carrier "nails" the coffin shut on whether Jesus existed or not in this single presentation. It's an amazing video - "Christianity without Jesus" - th-cam.com/video/kn7TEoA9ark/w-d-xo.html
I take issue with the idea that Daoism is the same as Buddhism. There may be common ancient cultural roots, but the fundamental philosophies are very different.
Absolutely.
Buddhism came from India and then adopted into Chinese culture. Daoism originated in China and their teachings are different.
@chongsanchan1133 Yes Daoism and also Confucism are Chinese based and Bhuddism came from India to Tibet and into China and then Japan (zen).
Your wrong about Muhammed. We have corresponding letters between two Monks who mention him by name
Where did those people long before our time come from, actually where and how did anyone get here on earth? I’m not understanding how humans got here, where did we come from?
The science shows were are descended from the ape family. It's postulated that when dinosaurs went extinct 65 million years ago, we were some sort of burrowing mammal.
We are made of the stuff of stars, as Carl Sagan once said. Do a few google searches … panspermia etc etc
@@bernardofitzpatrick5403 I don’t think so.
@BenXavier-v3u from head to toe the way we are made tells me that, some HIGHLY intelligent force has to be behind it. Whatever comes together in the DNA and RNA couldn’t possibly put a human being or animals together, and then make them talk, and use the other senses we have. This whole life thing is confusing to me to be honest about it. However we got here, life is still confusing and very much off balance in all kind of ways. That’s my opinion…..CHAOS at its finest…..
Do you mean how life began on Earth? Abiogenesis. How did living things become human? Evolution.
Esoteric Christianity:
Hosea 4:6 - "My people perish for lack of Self-Knowing (Gnosis)."
Gnosis = Self-knowing = Delphic Oracle = Know Thyself
John 8:32 - "And you shall know the Word of Truth (Logos), and the Light (Wisdom and Understanding) of the Truth shall set you free from bondage to the darkness of ignorance and folly."
The Word of Truth (Logos) is ever faithful (loyal, true, isomorphic) to Reality/Life (That which is/That I am).
Galatians 4:24 - "Which things are an allegory."
Matthew 16:6 - "Then Jesus said unto them, take heed and beware the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees."
Matthew 16:11 - "How is it that you do not understand that I spake not concerning bread, that you should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees (literalists and legalists).
Matthew 16:12 - "Then understood they that he bade them not beware the leaven of bread, but of the 'doctrine' of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees."
Esoteric Zoroastrianism:
Ahura Mazda = Awareness
Spenta/Angra Mainyu = Experience
Rainbow Bridge = Conversion
Ashiman = Constructive Impulse
Ahriman = Destructive Impulse
When experience contains awareness there is chaos, bondage, reaction.
When awareness contains experience there is order, Sovereignty, response.
Ultimately, the most significant choice that we can make at any moment of the day is between unconscious compulsive reaction and conscious creative response.
Dream your experience. Experience your dream.
The ruling elite created the gods to justify their right to rule.
The only true authority is the Authority of Truth.
John 18:38 - "What is Truth?"
1 John 1:1 - "The Word of Life."
John 10:10 - "Behold I am (Life) is come that you might have (inspired) Life, and have it more abundantly."
Proverbs 15:24 - "The Way of (inspired) Life is above to the Wise, that they may depart from hell below."
1 Cor. 4:20 - "The Kingdom of (inspired) Life comes not in word, but in power."
Isaiah 30:7 - "Their strength is to sit still."
Exodus 14:14 - "The Spirit (of Truth) will fight for you and you shall hold your peace."
Isaiah 26:3 - " You (inspired Life) will keep them in perfect peace who's mind is staid on you."
Psalms 48:10 - "Be still and know that I am, you are, we are Life at Large eternally actualizing infinite potential, because only Eternity can fully embrace Infinity."
All change for the better begins at the still point of silence -simply being aware of being aware (Gnosis).
John 14:6 - "I am (is) the Way, the Truth and the Life."
HOW yeah! Early cristians and the ergo de seigle, every body kno about thoses freeks!🤣
I agree with what is being said. But you never proved your point. Clearly your guest never read the bible. He could have disproved everything by reference the same bible.
What could a book of fairytales possibly disprove?
Hahahah. Lol. Great joke 😂
Forgot what part of the video it was because I was listening pretty intently and now I gotta go back a lot and listen to it again just to find it....... But you said something about faith being a blessing from God and that if you don't have faith that God didn't bless you with it and that was honestly my biggest problem with the Bible.
One of the biggest problems for me was the passage where it talks about pharaoh's heart being hardened by God himself that way he may not enter the Kingdom of God and he can make a point to the jews that God was really for them and no 1 else 😂
And then they want to say God is not a regional God and he cares about everybody which is hilarious because Judaism and Christianity were a fairly local religion for a very long time. It makes you think if this religion was real then how come God somehow wasn't able to talk to the other side of the world at the same time 😂
Archaeologically there are many tribes that have evidence of things being found around the time the global flood was supposed to have biblically happened too which is funny to me.
Be sure to watch, on TH-cam, Ancient Astronaut Archive/Creation of Christianity/Full Documentary!!!! This is an excellent expose' of Christianity!!!
Then explain to me why these people then contribute to all the evils that the God talks about for the wicked people in his book?
Think about it..there are over 900 religions on our planet..they all think theirs is the true absolute..one. Now what?
They don't all think that. I'm not saying any of them are true but a lot of them, even some of the big ones, are more like "This one is ours and we like it. You enjoy yours and leave us alone."
@@noracola5285 I'm quite sure they all think who they choose to believe in is the one..or why would they bother.
@@albertprestipino3143 Why are you asking me? Ask them.
You shouldn't be so quite sure until you learn more about it. You haven't studied 900 religions, you're guessing. You haven't even studied the "Big Three" in any depth or you'd know better.
@@noracola5285 IDK really...just tired of the so called Christians that spread hate and chaos..that also think it should be forced on Americans..they obviously haven't read the constitution.
@noracola5285
I'm interested in your statement that 'some of the big ones, are more like "This one is ours and we like it. You enjoy yours and leave us alone"'.
That is the stance of Universalist Unitarian churches (which are small, having under a million members worldwide), but I'm wanting to understand what "big ones" officially promote that stance.