I like what Andre said about healing and unanswered prayer and the excuses why. My very devoted Christian mom and I had the discussion about healing disease. That conversation was the last straw to leaving my faith. I have stage 4 breast cancer. I was angry because I prayed fervently and in faith along with the hundreds of Christian friends of my family but my cancer spread. My mom told me I just need to have more faith for my healing. I said Really? It made me very upset. I asked her what about her kidney cancer, my favorite Aunt's 2 brain tumors, my best friend who also has a very aggressive cancer and her mom's pancreatic cancer. All women of great faith. She said well she just needed to work on her faith. That was so hurtful and my eyes were completely opened. I let go of the last shred of belief I had. Interestingly the anger I was holding onto for God not being there for me just left me when I finally left the faith. I feel like I have more peace and love. I really needed that in order to continue with my health journey. I also agree with starting to study the bible more and made me realize how messed up the faith and beliefs I had that I just can't anymore. Thank you for this interview. I feel so supported by your videos. I wish you the best and great success going forward.
Do you read the Bible everyday and have turned from sin? If so, he will talk to you? He yearns to have a relationship with anyone that wants to follow him and his word. It might not be super apparent at first, but the more your in his word and truly believe, it then he will start showing you signs in your life.
@@maxmiller6685the next time he talks to u …tell him to help the children in the hospitals dying of all sorts of diseases.. Feed the starving children around the world dying of starvation…Stop allowing the most wicked people from gaining all the riches, power and fame ..Tell him to Stop the wealthiest 1% from contaminating our air, food and water…that’s just for a start 🧐
I finally figured out his non-existence prevents him from communicating. All I did as a believer, was take some natural, human event or inner urge and call that "God communicating."
@@Sheila-sv1ue Ask Santa to make himself real to you . Ask him everyday. Afterwards then move onto the tooth fairy. Ask that tooth fairy every day to show herself to you. Then ask the Easter Bunny... Every day ask !!
"God, if you're not trying, I guess we're breaking up." Wow, that is a beautifully human statement. So happy that it didn't blow up his relationship. It usually does.
@@Sheila-sv1ue Where does God ever try ? Only in books and fictional stories. Billions of people are praying daily for basic things and yet; Starving people are still starving. Children are still being raped by pedophiles. Children are still being abused by abusive parents family and others. Politicians and preachers are still conniving the masses into supporting their fraudulent narratives. Poor people are still being exploited by rich people.
33:33. "the one thing that was supposed to be bringing me the most joy in life was just tearing me apart." This was the psychotic angst of desperately seeking the "presence" of god/holy spirit. The "relationship" was abusive at its very core. smh. Great conversation as always 🥰
It's just crazy how we lose our identity... it's like we don't know how to function in the real world and have no clue who or what we are as a human being and it's scary! We are like babies learning how to talk and walk when we deconstruct...I can totally identify. Great interview! Thanks Andre & Tim! We were all born Atheists.
My name is Vanessa, and for several years now, I’ve not followed any more dogmas…after learning Gematria, and now learning to read Greek, I clearly see religion as a prison for the mind. Thanks for for sharing your stories…both of you.
Andre, thank you for sharing your story. I wasn’t looking or expecting to ever say I know bible god is not my creator. I was praising and worshipping my papa god and felt my relationship with god, Jesus and the Holy Spirit was at its best, I was sealed and happy! And maybe it was timing, because surely I couldn’t been this dumb all my life. 55 years. I’m 62 now and feel like I’m just getting to know the real me. I wish you the best! What I’ve learned is to question everything,and explore. Don’t be lazy. Don’t be dedicated to being ignorant.
@@totonow6955 I like listening to different experiences from a wide range of people. It helps in understanding the human experience from this particular perspective(deconstruction).
Kudos to you for having that level of open-mindedness @@a.psquickview2071. I'm the same way as a non-believer. I like hearing the views of the other side. It helps me understand them more. Keep listening.
@@a.psquickview2071i respect that- as a non-theist i love listening to different types of christians talk about their theology or miraculous conversion stories. I like the ones where they stop being addicts and shit like that. People come to different conclusions and opinions… that doesnt mean we cant enjoy and explore the full range of human experiences. Thats what we’re supposed to do is hear one another and love each other. Anyhow like i said- full respect to you have a great day
Aron Ra pointed out that although god is credited for creating things that men couldn't make, he can't make anything people could make. Every time he needs a box or a boat or a temple, people have to do it for him because he's unable to make anything that requires a creator.
And every time God needs to "speak" or "communicate", he has to have some human write or speak or have some inner intuition and claim it is from God. Wonder what that could mean???
Letting go of Jehovah and Jesus was very difficult. It was like losing a father and brother. They were the only ones that truly loved me and now they're gone. Being alone is better than living a lie.
Same here. I have said many times, that admitting that Christianity and the Bible were not true was the most courageous thing I've ever done. I had 40 years, many friends, advanced degrees invested in Christianity. I went kicking and screaming- but the truth became unavoidable. I am amazed now that I don't consider God's will or pray, how irrelevant it all is in real life. My life is better than ever and I realize now, there was no actual God ever involved with it at all. God/Jesus/Holy Spirit is an idea.
@@dmichael100 Wow! I’m 49 now and it feels like my life was on hold. I knew God had a plan for me and I was waiting or wasting away like the Israelites in the desert. I was waiting for that Kingdom Spouse that never came. I was waiting to find out my purpose for being here and all I got was, give me your money; this is a stick up. I remember being invited to a church and upon entry being told I would receive a prophesy. This was in the early 2000s. I still have the audio recording. The women said God had a plan for me and that I would know the plan in 10 years. Nothing happened. I was so lost that I ended up seeking a word from God. I paid profits of God for messages from him. Profits I found right here on TH-cam. That money would’ve better been spent paying for a Tarot reading. Who sells prophecies?
@@SofieLove The one thing I know for sure: there is no 'meant to be'- no intentional, supernatural deity, force, person has any control over what happens in our daily lives. We must face reality in all its unpredictability as it is.
Wow what a great video. When you said it took you three years to put your life together, I was encouraged that I will eventually be able to break out of the mental prison completely. Thank you so much for this video Tim and for sharing your story Andre.
I can relate to not having anyone to talk with about not believing in a god. Believers love bringing up god until you start to ask questions that make them think. Things in the Bible that make no sense or sound horrible and make that god look evil perverted.
I would LOVE, LOVE for Tim and Andre to get teaching jobs in Bible studies in Oklahoma public schools. You two would be PERFECT for the job. You both know exactly what to say to get past the interview and you both know the reality of the Bible and where it came from.
I was a part of a church who went around saying that God was saying this and God was saying that all the time. It was exhausting. I had a part-time job at the church office that I was struggling with because of physical limitations. The office administrator and the pastor didn't have the courage to ask me to leave because of that. Instead, the office administrator tried to trap me with my own words. She asked me what I felt God's vision was for me and for my area of responsibility. I replied honestly that I had absolutely no idea. She was flummoxed. She had nowhere to go with that statement. I knew her well enough to know that if I had given her and answer about my vision for the future, she would have found a way to use it against me and retrench me. That was a little win for me.
I wonder if telling her that God said you're in the best place you'll ever be and that you were deserving of a high raise if that would have gone over so well.
I wonder what their excuse was for being deceptive and trying to trap you into a reason to get rid of you. You could have said, “God told me you are going to hell because you are being dishonest with your question.” Many Christians love their little white lies and other little sins.
I felt very similar in church. I was all sold out for Jesus, wanted to live fully for him. I knew a few others who did too, however, by and large, when I looked around the church, I saw others who were the same thing: they just want to watch football, etc. They weren't hypocrites, just complacent. It didn't line up with what was preached from the pulpit.
I like that comment where you said if I my brain would have reacted differently I would have stayed in mythology. It relates to me because when I was an evangelical the reasons that would turn anyone away from the Bible, I overlooked. That’s until my faith cracked by hearing an atheist put the problem of evil up.
Not a single prayer ever got answered. Yes, I prayed for the job, and I got the job, but I now believe I would have gotten the job in any case. Every prayer was a 50/50 chance of working. Either I got it or not, no divine intervention. If I got it, it was apparently God's will, if I didn't, it was apparently not his will. But when it comes to anything significant, where I can say "It MUST have been God", that just never happened.
@LogicalKip Despite the lottery odds, which is 1:millions chance, it still comes down to I either win or I don't. So for me personally, it is still only 50/50, because there are only 2 outcomes. As for praying for the lotto, that just proves even more that prayer doesn't work, because imagine God answering my prayer and letting me win, against all odds. Not happening.
@LogicalKip The odds are 1 in millions, but the personal chance for me is either I win or I lose. With the odds being 1 in millions, personally, I will most probably always lose. But although I always lose, I still just have two options, win or lose. I am not saying the odds does not count, it does, very specifically against me. With millions of people buying a lotto ticket, there are millions of people that can win or lose, but they only ever have two options each, they either win, or they lose. But I do not have millions of personal chances, just two, win or I lose.
@LogicalKip No, that is not what I am saying. Millions of people buy lottery tickets. But only one can win, so the odds are one to millions. But, for me personally, I only have 2 outcomes, I either win or lose. With the odds stacked against me, I will probably lose, but there is only one other outcome for me, and that is win. So, 2 outcomes, win or lose. So 50/50, but based on the odds, less likely to happen. So, if I pray, there are just 2 outcomes because the odds should not be a problem for God. He either lets me win, or he doesn't.
This was really an awesome interview. Congratulations to Andre for finally finding his way out and having the courage to tell his story. I'm a fellow musician, composer, filmmaker, and overall artist. Sorry, Tim. 😁😁🤓 But I REALLY do love your videos, sir! Keep up the good work.
1:19:24 i know the exact organization he is talking about. It's so wild! How many charities there are to do good in the world only because they believe they want to bring people to Christ but they wouldn't do it or support it if it had nothing to do with Christ if it was just because of being nice
1:02 - Andre definitely got that right!! If prayer doesn’t work, they say it’s God’s will. If prayer works, they say it’s “proof” of God’s existence. Either way, God wins. Everyone is God’s apologist. God gets away with more evil than Trump thanks to the apologists.
Exactly! If a woman is sexually assaulted religious people say God gives free will, but if a woman survives a terrible accident they say God had his angels watching over you. Such a contradiction. Does God intervene in our lives or not. They always pull that nonsense.
Because of the negative connotation with atheism I shy away from labels. How do you move past that. I just want to be me without a label, is that possible.
You only have to spend a few minutes on utube to see hundreds of self proclaimed prophets and praying christians who like to film themselves ..with God told me /he said to me/ i heard his voice say ./..etc. ! ...To know people do hear voices ..we know its not a creator of the universe of course The disconnect from rational reality is evident and its simply wishful thinking the same as positive thinking and repeating to yourself a helpful thought ...nothing more .
To be fair Look at the world around us... It's going to be the end of humanity within a few years Famine ww3 planned-demics Ex christian here. I do agree but it literally is the end times of the world. After watching the so called medical intervention of past 3 years, there's no doubt
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I like what Andre said about healing and unanswered prayer and the excuses why. My very devoted Christian mom and I had the discussion about healing disease. That conversation was the last straw to leaving my faith. I have stage 4 breast cancer. I was angry because I prayed fervently and in faith along with the hundreds of Christian friends of my family but my cancer spread. My mom told me I just need to have more faith for my healing. I said Really? It made me very upset. I asked her what about her kidney cancer, my favorite Aunt's 2 brain tumors, my best friend who also has a very aggressive cancer and her mom's pancreatic cancer. All women of great faith. She said well she just needed to work on her faith. That was so hurtful and my eyes were completely opened. I let go of the last shred of belief I had. Interestingly the anger I was holding onto for God not being there for me just left me when I finally left the faith. I feel like I have more peace and love. I really needed that in order to continue with my health journey.
I also agree with starting to study the bible more and made me realize how messed up the faith and beliefs I had that I just can't anymore. Thank you for this interview. I feel so supported by your videos. I wish you the best and great success going forward.
I tried so hard to get close to God but he never reciprocated. Why does a loving god ghost those who crave him?
Maybe you didn't understand how He communicated with you.
@@Sheila-sv1ue he seems very good at keeping secrets, at least from me.
Do you read the Bible everyday and have turned from sin? If so, he will talk to you? He yearns to have a relationship with anyone that wants to follow him and his word. It might not be super apparent at first, but the more your in his word and truly believe, it then he will start showing you signs in your life.
Well, when your imaginary friend is silent…
@@maxmiller6685the next time he talks to u …tell him to help the children in the hospitals dying of all sorts of diseases.. Feed the starving children around the world dying of starvation…Stop allowing the most wicked people from gaining all the riches, power and fame ..Tell him to Stop the wealthiest 1% from contaminating our air, food and water…that’s just for a start 🧐
Love the quote, "No person could convince me god was real. I got to a point where I needed god to convince me god was real."
I finally figured out his non-existence prevents him from communicating. All I did as a believer, was take some natural, human event or inner urge and call that "God communicating."
Ask God to make himself real to you. Ask Him everyday.
@@Sheila-sv1ue served him for 40 years. He can show up any time he'd like.
@@Sheila-sv1ue
Ask Santa to make himself real to you . Ask him everyday.
Afterwards then move onto the tooth fairy. Ask that tooth fairy every day to show herself to you.
Then ask the Easter Bunny...
Every day ask !!
@Sheila-sv1ue be careful. Sometimes delusions or even schizophrenia can hide as "God"
I relate so hard to being born into the bubble and then finding yourself in the cold on the outside of the bubble.
Thank you, Andre! 😊
One of my favorite interviews so far, I could listen to him talk for hours. We need more voices from the black community
"God, if you're not trying, I guess we're breaking up." Wow, that is a beautifully human statement. So happy that it didn't blow up his relationship. It usually does.
How was God not trying?
@@Sheila-sv1ue
Where does God ever try ?
Only in books and fictional stories.
Billions of people are praying daily for basic things and yet;
Starving people are still starving.
Children are still being raped by pedophiles. Children are still being abused by abusive parents family and others.
Politicians and preachers are still conniving the masses into supporting their fraudulent narratives.
Poor people are still being exploited by rich people.
@@Sheila-sv1ue Why are you asking? Can't you feel Freeman's answer in your heart? You must not be truly listening.
33:33. "the one thing that was supposed to be bringing me the most joy in life was just tearing me apart." This was the psychotic angst of desperately seeking the "presence" of god/holy spirit. The "relationship" was abusive at its very core. smh. Great conversation as always 🥰
Tim, thank you. I know you’re dealing with something very hard , so for you to still bring content to help others . I appreciate it❤.
It's just crazy how we lose our identity... it's like we don't know how to function in the real world and have no clue who or what we are as a human being and it's scary! We are like babies learning how to talk and walk when we deconstruct...I can totally identify. Great interview!
Thanks Andre & Tim!
We were all born Atheists.
My name is Vanessa, and for several years now, I’ve not followed any more dogmas…after learning Gematria, and now learning to read Greek, I clearly see religion as a prison for the mind. Thanks for for sharing your stories…both of you.
A prison for the mind, indeed!
Imagine if parents stopped indoctrinating children?
Andre, thank you for sharing your story. I wasn’t looking or expecting to ever say I know bible god is not my creator. I was praising and worshipping my papa god and felt my relationship with god, Jesus and the Holy Spirit was at its best, I was sealed and happy! And maybe it was timing, because surely I couldn’t been this dumb all my life. 55 years. I’m 62 now and feel like I’m just getting to know the real me. I wish you the best! What I’ve learned is to question everything,and explore. Don’t be lazy. Don’t be dedicated to being ignorant.
I am a theist, but I really like listening to these interviews. Thanks.
Why?
@@totonow6955 I like listening to different experiences from a wide range of people. It helps in understanding the human experience from this particular perspective(deconstruction).
@@a.psquickview2071I m spiritual not religious n I also enjoy this show .tim is a great host .
Kudos to you for having that level of open-mindedness @@a.psquickview2071. I'm the same way as a non-believer. I like hearing the views of the other side. It helps me understand them more. Keep listening.
@@a.psquickview2071i respect that- as a non-theist i love listening to different types of christians talk about their theology or miraculous conversion stories. I like the ones where they stop being addicts and shit like that. People come to different conclusions and opinions… that doesnt mean we cant enjoy and explore the full range of human experiences. Thats what we’re supposed to do is hear one another and love each other. Anyhow like i said- full respect to you have a great day
So much of Andre's experience with Christianity doesn't just strike a chord with me, it strikes up the whole damn orchestra.
Aron Ra pointed out that although god is credited for creating things that men couldn't make, he can't make anything people could make. Every time he needs a box or a boat or a temple, people have to do it for him because he's unable to make anything that requires a creator.
That is good. Sheeeeesh
And every time God needs to "speak" or "communicate", he has to have some human write or speak or have some inner intuition and claim it is from God. Wonder what that could mean???
Can humans create a human out of nothing?
@@dmichael100you haven't read everyone's experience.
Jesus appeared to a witch out of thin air
36 seconds & I’m still not the first comment! That’s how you know you’re going places in the TH-cam world!
What an absolute darling person!
Letting go of Jehovah and Jesus was very difficult. It was like losing a father and brother. They were the only ones that truly loved me and now they're gone. Being alone is better than living a lie.
Same here. I have said many times, that admitting that Christianity and the Bible were not true was the most courageous thing I've ever done. I had 40 years, many friends, advanced degrees invested in Christianity. I went kicking and screaming- but the truth became unavoidable.
I am amazed now that I don't consider God's will or pray, how irrelevant it all is in real life. My life is better than ever and I realize now, there was no actual God ever involved with it at all. God/Jesus/Holy Spirit is an idea.
@@dmichael100 Wow! I’m 49 now and it feels like my life was on hold. I knew God had a plan for me and I was waiting or wasting away like the Israelites in the desert. I was waiting for that Kingdom Spouse that never came. I was waiting to find out my purpose for being here and all I got was, give me your money; this is a stick up. I remember being invited to a church and upon entry being told I would receive a prophesy. This was in the early 2000s. I still have the audio recording. The women said God had a plan for me and that I would know the plan in 10 years. Nothing happened. I was so lost that I ended up seeking a word from God. I paid profits of God for messages from him. Profits I found right here on TH-cam. That money would’ve better been spent paying for a Tarot reading. Who sells prophecies?
Congrats on Ur freedom ♥️
@@SofieLove The one thing I know for sure: there is no 'meant to be'- no intentional, supernatural deity, force, person has any control over what happens in our daily lives.
We must face reality in all its unpredictability as it is.
@@dmichael100 I’m working on it. Thanks❤️
Wow what a great video. When you said it took you three years to put your life together, I was encouraged that I will eventually be able to break out of the mental prison completely. Thank you so much for this video Tim and for sharing your story Andre.
You knocked another home run!!!! ❤
I can relate to not having anyone to talk with about not believing in a god.
Believers love bringing up god until you start to ask questions that make them think. Things in the Bible that make no sense or sound horrible and make that god look evil perverted.
I would LOVE, LOVE for Tim and Andre to get teaching jobs in Bible studies in Oklahoma public schools. You two would be PERFECT for the job. You both know exactly what to say to get past the interview and you both know the reality of the Bible and where it came from.
I can relate
Great interview! Could relate to so much - thank you both xx
I was a part of a church who went around saying that God was saying this and God was saying that all the time.
It was exhausting.
I had a part-time job at the church office that I was struggling with because of physical limitations.
The office administrator and the pastor didn't have the courage to ask me to leave because of that.
Instead, the office administrator tried to trap me with my own words.
She asked me what I felt God's vision was for me and for my area of responsibility.
I replied honestly that I had absolutely no idea.
She was flummoxed.
She had nowhere to go with that statement.
I knew her well enough to know that if I had given her and answer about my vision for the future, she would have found a way to use it against me and retrench me.
That was a little win for me.
I wonder if telling her that God said you're in the best place you'll ever be and that you were deserving of a high raise if that would have gone over so well.
@@FoursWithin Great response!
I wonder what their excuse was for being deceptive and trying to trap you into a reason to get rid of you. You could have said, “God told me you are going to hell because you are being dishonest with your question.”
Many Christians love their little white lies and other little sins.
I love Gospel music especially the vocals. My favorite is the 60s gospel sound. Looking forward to hearing your godless gospel sound. 🎶🎶
Saying Atheism is a religion, is like saying abstinence is a sexual position. Justin Porter ex jw
great discussion... thx guys
I felt very similar in church. I was all sold out for Jesus, wanted to live fully for him. I knew a few others who did too, however, by and large, when I looked around the church, I saw others who were the same thing: they just want to watch football, etc. They weren't hypocrites, just complacent. It didn't line up with what was preached from the pulpit.
Another great story! Thanks Tim!
Awesome!
I like that comment where you said if I my brain would have reacted differently I would have stayed in mythology. It relates to me because when I was an evangelical the reasons that would turn anyone away from the Bible, I overlooked. That’s until my faith cracked by hearing an atheist put the problem of evil up.
Not a single prayer ever got answered. Yes, I prayed for the job, and I got the job, but I now believe I would have gotten the job in any case. Every prayer was a 50/50 chance of working. Either I got it or not, no divine intervention. If I got it, it was apparently God's will, if I didn't, it was apparently not his will. But when it comes to anything significant, where I can say "It MUST have been God", that just never happened.
Pray for winning the lottery then, 50/50 chances sounds a lot better than regular chances
@LogicalKip Despite the lottery odds, which is 1:millions chance, it still comes down to I either win or I don't. So for me personally, it is still only 50/50, because there are only 2 outcomes. As for praying for the lotto, that just proves even more that prayer doesn't work, because imagine God answering my prayer and letting me win, against all odds. Not happening.
@@pinky9440 It sounds like you're saying winning the lottery is both 1:millions AND 50/50 ? Correct me if I didn't understand you.
@LogicalKip The odds are 1 in millions, but the personal chance for me is either I win or I lose. With the odds being 1 in millions, personally, I will most probably always lose. But although I always lose, I still just have two options, win or lose. I am not saying the odds does not count, it does, very specifically against me. With millions of people buying a lotto ticket, there are millions of people that can win or lose, but they only ever have two options each, they either win, or they lose. But I do not have millions of personal chances, just two, win or I lose.
@LogicalKip No, that is not what I am saying. Millions of people buy lottery tickets. But only one can win, so the odds are one to millions. But, for me personally, I only have 2 outcomes, I either win or lose. With the odds stacked against me, I will probably lose, but there is only one other outcome for me, and that is win. So, 2 outcomes, win or lose. So 50/50, but based on the odds, less likely to happen.
So, if I pray, there are just 2 outcomes because the odds should not be a problem for God. He either lets me win, or he doesn't.
This was really an awesome interview. Congratulations to Andre for finally finding his way out and having the courage to tell his story.
I'm a fellow musician, composer, filmmaker, and overall artist. Sorry, Tim. 😁😁🤓 But I REALLY do love your videos, sir! Keep up the good work.
1:19:24 i know the exact organization he is talking about. It's so wild! How many charities there are to do good in the world only because they believe they want to bring people to Christ but they wouldn't do it or support it if it had nothing to do with Christ if it was just because of being nice
1:02 - Andre definitely got that right!! If prayer doesn’t work, they say it’s God’s will. If prayer works, they say it’s “proof” of God’s existence. Either way, God wins. Everyone is God’s apologist. God gets away with more evil than Trump thanks to the apologists.
Exactly! If a woman is sexually assaulted religious people say God gives free will, but if a woman survives a terrible accident they say God had his angels watching over you. Such a contradiction. Does God intervene in our lives or not. They always pull that nonsense.
Because of the negative connotation with atheism I shy away from labels. How do you move past that. I just want to be me without a label, is that possible.
You only have to spend a few minutes on utube to see hundreds of self proclaimed prophets and praying christians who like to film themselves ..with God told me /he said to me/ i heard his voice say ./..etc. ! ...To know people do hear voices ..we know its not a creator of the universe of course
The disconnect from rational reality is evident and its simply wishful thinking the same as positive thinking and repeating to yourself a helpful thought ...nothing more .
♥️♥️♥️👍👍👍💪💪💪
1:44:30
The end times = the end of theological dominion for Christianity.
To be fair
Look at the world around us...
It's going to be the end of humanity within a few years
Famine ww3 planned-demics
Ex christian here. I do agree but it literally is the end times of the world. After watching the so called medical intervention of past 3 years, there's no doubt
No matter how much we look for God he is only a chip fairy tail cartoon idea invented for people that dreams for a better life somewhere nowhere