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We Were Soldiers Deleted Scene - Soldier Stories (2002) - Mel Gibson War Movie HD
The story of the first major battle of the American phase of the Vietnam War and the soldiers on both sides that fought it. - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
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"Beautiful day, ain't it, Sergeant Major?"
"What're you, a fuckin' weatherman now?"
"Good morning sarge"
"How do you know what kind of god damn day it is"
Keep talkin', Lieutenant. We'll find you.
Im non combatant sir... (aint no such thing today)
***** no "charley call that son of a bitch off!" And "fix bayonets"
Cameron Morris better get yourself and m16. 'by the time I need an m16 there will be plenty of them lying on the ground"
When I was with the 82nd I met two MOH holders. One got it from his service in Nam the other in WWII with Merrill's Marauder's. Both did not speak about it. When we were required to be in class "A"s the one who received it in WWII had served for almost 30 years. He had a chest full of ribbons having served in combat in several wars. Unlike most from our company who were clerks, he was former infantry. Clerks seldom get medals. I will never forget the faces and comments by new guys especially young officers, who saw his multi colored awards and realized that he had the MOH. He was a thick barreled chested man with a very quiet nature who stayed to himself. Only God knew what he had endured.
At least it sound like he were home among fellow brothers.
What was his last name
@@timf2279 explain what you mean
Nice story! Joined in 93. Met a few MOH guys. A Navajo code talker and 3 Vietnam guys. They were all humble except one of the Vietnam guys. He would tell everyone he wanted to earn one and was banned from giving speeches over his behavior.
I was at Bragg in SF in the late 80s. I’m from Alabama, and had the pleasure of meeting two MOH holders both from Alabama; Ola Mize and Bob Howard. Both colonels who took a liking to me because I was from their home. Col Mize won his in Korea, Col Howard in Vietnam. Incredible men, it’s an honor to know them.
The movie is right about one thing. Sgt Major Plumley saw a shitload of action. I don't know if he was the grizzled bastard we saw in the movie, but any man who saw that much combat in WW2, Korea and Vietnam is worth some respect.
For sure
amen!
He was every bit the badass shown in the movie if not more so, he is a legend to us Cav Scouts , I met an old 1st SGT who had served with Plumley when the 1st Sgt was a buck private. Plumley was hard as stone but fair and good to his troopers and never asked a soldier under his command to do anything he couldn't or wouldn't do himself.
why did they have a iron cross?
@Hammerschlägen M 1:10
that was one of the most accurate Vietnam war movies, most people don't realize that MOH recipients to be saluted by all members of the military regardless of Rank. Well done
It is the most realistic war movie. The noise alone and screaming.
@@TJ_CrayonBeltFeeder Saving Private Ryan, The Thin Red Line, Windtalkers, Hacksaw Ridge, Fury
@@gonefishin02 SPR was #1, the others were kinda not. Windtalkers? Ouch... Hacksaw Ridge wasn't bad, Fury? Meh. You didn't mention Blackhawk Down, probably the most accurate representation of recent modern warfare done by anyone.
They really did do a perfect job of representing the earlier portions of the Vietnam American conflict. Later years are better represented by, as 80's cheesy as they are, Hamburger Hill and Platoon. IMO
@PilatusTurbo...The cheesy, Academy award winner for best film and best director, Platoon? LOL!
Not that winning an award should qualify a film as good, an Academy award winning one could probably be better described, don't you think?
It was Lt Gen Hal Moore during a speech at the USMA at west point that gave the greatest piece of advice to young 2nd lieutenants...when an NCO speaks shut your mouth up and listen and you'll learn a hell of a lot. Hal Moore was a lieutenant colonel during Ia Drang and still did the same thing when his sergeant major spoke..he shut up. Lol.
Good officers will listen to their Senior SNCOs
Nothing beats experience,untried wisdom is seldom correct
That’s pretty much the advice all senior officers give new LT’s … grab on to your platoon sergeant’s coattails and hang on for dear life.
It makes an argument for not giving out Lt bars to anyone until they serve as enlisted first.
@@randybaumery5090 Best comment on the subject except for one thing.
We all need those ate up LT stories to keep morale up and the good times flowing.
A sgt major or rsm should not be feared by his men but respected. The ones I served under were tuff old mess tins but would take time getting to know the troops. One day my rsm asked how my new daughter was doing, how my wife was and addressed them by name. Huge difference between fear and respect.
Amen to this.
I don't think you got the joke here. I never thought of McDoon to be literally scared of Plumley. But rather, McDoon is more "afraid" in the sense of disappointing Plumley. It just goes to show the level of respect a 2 time MoH awardee has for the Sergeant Major. That despite having those honors, McDoon still wouldn't want to be chewed out by Sergeant Major Plumley.
When you fear someone you begin to harbor hatred for them.
Hey look, we don't care who you respect or fear in the British army. This is the US army we're talking about. Regimental Sergeant Major? Is the British army even big enough to field a whole regiment these days.
@@smokingcrab2290 I disagree. I had equal amounts of fear and admiration for a few Drill Sgt's in Infantry Basic.
The best part is after the big battle when Plumley finds that same kid still alive and says "Now that's a good morning".
Omg that was powerful. I watched this movie before every trip to the desert and it gets me every time.
I’ll have to go back and watch it again!
Sgt. Savage earned Plumleys respect and more from that. Very powerful!!
The exact quote was, "That's a nice day, Sergeant Savage."
@@MrGruffteddybear You are correct.
What I do know is those that have received the medal of honour need to be saluted by any and everyone they meet in the military no matter the rank.
It's not required but it is an encouraged practice, even when not in uniform.
@@awolpete10 No, it's REQUIRED from anyone of any rank in uniform, unless the other person was also awarded an MoH and is higher in rank. If a PFC has an MoH, a General without one is supposed to salute the awardee PFC
@@Willysmb44 that would be so badass for a PVT or PFC Medal of Honor recipient coming across a General Medal of Honor recipient
100% not true.
MOH recipients are saluted out of respect, not requirement.
@@steverichardson7417 the salute goes to the medal, not the man
My father surprised me one day in 2002, was in middle school. Said get in the truck, took me to see We Were Soldiers. He never talked much and for sure never explained himself and never said anything on the ride like normal so it was naturally a surprise when we rolled up on the theater and bought two tickets to We Were Soldiers. Maybe saw 3 or 4 movies in total in a theater in my whole childhood this one bein one of them. Good memory of mine with him, ended up joining the army years later to have fun at Ft Benning Armored cavalry 19k
I had a First Sargent at Moody AFB my first station. He had 32 years in service and I personally watch him shame a second lieutenant one day. He told the lieutenant that he didn't have a brain in his head and that he needed to get one before he ever approached the Sargent again. I saw Major's got out of his way because they knew he had clout. After all he served in WW 2, Korea .
THAT should have been in the movie!
It wasn't because no soldier has won two MOH since 1918.
sonrouge I don't know, I don't think that thinking should have entered into it. I don't know if you have ever served before but lying and bullshit between your brothers is a known and accepted language. You cant call one of your boys out on stuff like this or how much pussy he has got in his life. Even when you know it's a lie, the best response is to come up with a bigger lie to tell. You can't even really call it lying because everyone knows the code....It's more less referred to as bullshit and it's not lying unless it harms another person or is something important or integrity based.
I'm sorry, My teachers always said a lie was a lie regardless of why you did it, if it is not true, it is a lie.
Stephen Coleman I am not a gringo so I do not know if ever existed a Srg Mcdoon or
somebody ever get awarded 2 medal of honours... but I can tell you
that this scene sit like a carrier anchor... the whole purpose is to tell you that Sg Plumley is a bad a$$... but you discover that in the movie because of the way he conduct himself not because somebody is telling you " hey he is a bad a$$" and the proof of that is that in the release was showed in my country I didnt see that scene and everybody knew who Sergeant Plumley was
Dennis Mullins Psstttt Dennis. Star Was is a lie.
So is Santa.
This scene really should have been in the movie.
Hal Moore and Basil Plumley are 2 of the realest, most badass men to have ever fought for this country.
I dont know about that. But you cant compare men of today to the men of wwll era. During the world wars America produced hard core gladiators. Today men cry because the Sergent Major yelled at them to loudly. Not even in the same league any more
It's a great scene but it never happened there's only been a couple of people that earned the Medal of Honor twice and he wasn't one of them.
Don’t forget Bruce Crandall and Ed Freeman- both received the Medal of Honor in that battle.
Except it never happened. No one named Mcdoon has ever been awarded a MOH. And the last time two MOHs were awarded to the same person was in 1918.
My dad served under Hal Moore ...both In Korean War and when my Dad was stationed in Ft Benning Ga...He was with the 11th Air Assault...My Dad was a SFC and trained men in Air Assault Training...My Dad was a Decorated Veteran of World War II, Korean War and Early stages of Vietnam...I remembered riding around Ft Benning when I was 4-5 years old sitting on my Dads lap pretenting to drive a Army Jeep..My Dad's gone now...but when I watch "We Were Soliders" I think of my father, who sacrificed to "Defend Democray around the World"
I am a veteran,I served in the us army and I am very familiar with fort benning. God bless your father.
Sorry to say but he wasnt defending democracy around the world.
@@Levottomat01 Well I feel sorry for you, You take your Freedom and Liberty for granted...I'm sure you feel right at home with a Dictatorship telling you how to live.
Plumly actually existed.
He was with a anti tank gun crew in the 82nd airbourne during all combat jumps in WW2. 4 of them.
Served in Korea.
Served in Vietnam.
This guys... Is more rare then the medal of honor.
Check out Lloyd "Jose" Favor Taylor, Scouts and Raiders in WWII, moved to UDT during Korea and an OG member of Seal Team 2 during Vietnam. 2 silver stars and 5ish purple hearts if I remember right.
he was living in Columbus GA while I was at Fort Benning
@@barryarron7 oooo benning, ouchy
not quite. you may need to refer back to Sergeant Major Plumley's DD 214. Basil Plumley did NOT serve in Korea during the war between 1950-1953. Sergeant Major Plumley served in Korea in the early 1970s AFTER vietnam. Captain Hal Moore did serve in Korea with the 7th Infantry Division and led a company of Rangers in the early 1950s
Kind of like the Air Force Robin Olds, started in WW2 with piston planes and guns and ended with Mach 2 jets and missles!
The deleted church scene was the biggest loss. It had actual participants in it such as the real Colonel Moore, his wife and kids and several of the wives and children of the men that didn't make it back from there including the wife and daughter of the lieutenant he had the talk with in the chapel. Those two were really powerful if you knew who they were when you saw them. The wife held it together pretty good but the daughter was on the edge.
and the scene where Moore is debriefed by Westmoreland. These little bastards are home!
I had a SSG in the early 90s that worked in our Corps HQ. He was very soft spoken, kind and people underestimated him because he was pretty old. A lifer. One day we had to show up in our uniforms for inspection and he showed up in his. He had 2 purple hearts and I want to say a bronze star from Vietnam. I was so blown away. You would NEVER have guessed it. He could have been a librarian.
Friend was on base at San Diego about 20 years ago and they were throwing a tribute/ceremony for corpsmen and their service. One old guy gets up looking like he headbutted a woodchipper and won. All he does is raise his beer and says, "to corpsmen!" then sits back down. I said, "oh that's cool", my friend said, "He had a purple heart ribbon with three gold stars". I just went, "Oh, God damn."
Many confuse kindness for weakness. For some, its the worst mistake they will ever make. For a very unlucky few, its also the last.
Sounds like my Squad leader my last 12 months.. 1 Marine Corp Tour and 2 Army ones .. 4 PH... or as he called them Enemy Marksmanship awards.. in 87 when I got out he was a Career E-6 . He might have made E-07 before retiring but he hated the politics and teh Post Vietnam pre-Desert Storm Army had a LOT of politics
Here in Brazil, I served in the 20th Armored Infantry Battalion in 2012. There was a 1st Sergeant, who we all thought wasn't that good. Until one day, there was a ceremony, where we had to put on our graduation uniform with medals, decorations and everything else. He had a Campaign Cross, a Blood Cross, Brazilian Blood Medal, Sergeant Max Wolf Filho Medal and the Peacemaker Medal. The Man was a legend and we didn't know it. My respect for him has tripled and every year it increases more and more.
When I was in the air cav as a platoon sgt, my 1sgt was at the IA Drang battle from this movie. He was with the 5th bn, the movie focuses only the 7th bn Ltc Moore unit but several battalions were in the fight for the valley. In reality the 5th bn was caught in a devastating ambush after the battle when they marching out of the AO, read the the book "we were soldiers and young ". My point, my 1sgt was a total badass and a great leader, I've would've jump on a grenade for him, without a second thought!!! God bless all whom served!!
1st and 2nd Battalion from 3rd Brigade (with 1st being Ltc Moore, and 2nd taking the most losses during a later ambush).
5th Battalion, from any Brigade, wasn't there.
Very good movie and accurate depiction of the Old School Army during the Vietnam War. Sam Elliott did an outstanding job of portraying a Sergeant Major. All of the Sergeant Majors I had the honor of serving with were mean and crusty just like Plumbley.
Not mine
Always be aware of the old guy in the profession where men die young
@Klemheist in reality, Plumley carried an M14 into the Ia Drang
@Klemheist or like Desmond doss and carry no weapons into battle,definitely a different breed of men back then
No matter how many times I watch this I always enjoy it.
CSM Plummley was a model Soldier and a warrior. Sam Elliot portrayed him to a T from what I heard
May he rest in peace
Sam Elliot was at CSM Plumley's funeral at Fort Benning. The video of it is on YT.
They said the real Plumly was even worse, as in twice as badass as Elliot's portrayal. Still one of my favorite roles of his.
Sam Elliot is one of the best badasses in history.
He was born to play a Cowboy or a dude riding a Harley.
He acted in films as some of them. Not the same thing.
lee marvin
@@KlingonGamerYT now he was the actual badass in real life that he was on screen. Ive always heard Errol Flynn was actually toned down as an actor. Now days, Keanu Reeves would be the closest. You watch him do a tactical course and you realize he really might be John Wick or Neo, and that Keanu Reeves is the actual role he plays in his downtime.
And without his moustache.
I grew up in on base housing like the ones in the movie and I can tell you they looked very, very realistic. Somebody did their research on this movie.
Not much research needed. The housing area was in Fort Benning. Super easy to replicate on base housing realistically when you just use on base housing.
@@allenz7688 Main Post near the field I played Youth Football on two years before when this movie historically started. The only scenes before they went Nam that I believe were not accurate were the ones with the Sergeant greeting the Sergeant Major ( in the movie they where near the Infantry School Hq not Sand Hill ) and when they got on the Buses ( that was in front of the Airborne School Building and they would have boarded at Sand Hill where the 1st Cav's barracks were at) Of course I can forgive these errors as the old WWII barracks at Sand Hill were long a memory when this was filmed. One other that I am not certain of was the scene where the RTO picked up the signal from Nam, I don't believe they trained in one of the post picnic areas
Doesnt matter what you're officer rank is, never disrespect your NCO's
How do you know what kind of God Dammed day it is ? ??:?
Andrew Jackson o Elizabeth Montgomery bewitch
I report you
Now this. Is a good day.
You a weatherman now?
My favorite part
That scene WAS in the movie, when it came out in the movie theater in Europe. I remember seeing it. They must have deleted it after it was released.
Must've been deleted in US due to nudity then.
Couldn’t the theatrical cut was on the DVD and Blu ray
@@RobertK1993 That explains why I saw this scene. I first saw it on rental, and I definitely remember this scene.
I saw this movie in the (US) theater when it came out and it didn't have this scene in it for sure... wonder why... :v
"That Sargent Savage is a good day." And Savage was awarded a DSC.
I know it was hard for him to delete those scenes but I believe it would have been worth watching a longer movie
IIRC, while a great story, there were historical issues with it. Something along the lines of at the time he would have been able to earn the awards it wasnt possible to be awarded those medals twice. Thats pretty much why it was cut.
My grandfather was THE textbook Plumley. SGM, WWII, Korea, Vietnam. Tall, grey haired, super deep bass voice, maximum effect achieved with minimal words used.
My uncle Tairl was at LZ X-ray with those men he served from 62-71 my uncle did three tours in vietnam and wouldn't tell me a thing about it until I came home from the military myself. I don't know how he made it out alive he's 6'8 and a gentle giant both him and my other uncle Tex were accidentally sent at the same time they were told one had to go home they both said they weren't going to leave there unit and signed a waiver saying that the army tried to send them home but they declined.
I know this is 9 years after the fact but for those that might not know, having a medal of Honor is one of the few cases where a soldier will get saluted by a superior officer first. Usually it's the other way around. In theory if a Private was awarded the MOH, they could get saluted by a General.
It is not in any regulations to do so but it is done by the superior officer as a show of respect for the MoH recipient for his service
One salutes for respect of a superior rank. The other salutes out of respect for a superior soldier.
I retired after 32 years of service with two stars on my shoulders and I would NEVER hesitate to show proper respect for a CMH winner. It would NOT have mattered if I had four stars and god help the man I EVER saw fail to give proper respect to such a soldier.
CSM Plumley is one of the few men who ever revived a CIB with three stars. WW2, Korea, and Vietnam. There are more medals of honor than there are triple starred CIBs. Oh, and he also had five mustard stains on his jump wings.
Why was this not in the movie, this scene is absolute gold
Because it was completely fictitious.
Its also unnecessary. The ending scene tells you all you need to know about Plumley
I'm guessing the scene was deleted because the director, Randall Wallace, wanted to stay as true to the facts as possible, and the Sergeant depicted in the scene is fictional. Nobody named McDoon was ever awarded two Medals of Honor.
character was based off this Soldier.....Robert Lewis Howard (July 11, 1939 - December 23, 2009) was a highly-decorated United States Army Special Forces officer and Medal of Honor recipient of the Vietnam War.
He was wounded 14 times over 54 months of combat, was awarded the Medal of Honor, eight Purple Hearts, a Distinguished Service Cross,[a] a Silver Star, and four Bronze Stars.
He was nominated for the Medal of Honor three separate times over a 13-month period but received lesser medals for the first two nominations, which were for actions performed in Cambodia where the U.S. was fighting covertly. He received the Medal of Honor for his actions on November 16, 1967 in North Vietnam, his third nomination.[2]
He retired from the US Army after 36 years of service as a full colonel, and the most highly decorated service member on active duty.[3]
He died as a result of pancreatic cancer, and was buried at Arlington National Cemetery on February 22, 2010.
At the time of his death he was the most decorated living Medal of Honor recipient
Seeing that Randall basically didn't properly show the second half of the actual battle and even changed facts in the movie about it, I'd say no. I believe ether having a man's ass or the fact that it is a comedic scene and not a serious one is most likely why it didn't stay.
You can only be awarded the medal of honor ONCE.
Lyle Christensen nope there are multiple Americans who have been awarded it twice
multiple...? name one.
Glad this scene made it to TH-cam and not the final cut!
Still funny though...
Good morning SGT. MAJ.
How do you know what kinda gawt dayum day it is?
Beautiful morning SGT. Maj.
Who er you? a fucking weather man now
I would've also liked it if Savage said "It's going to be a beautiful day SGT. MAJ", and where Plumley responds saying "When did God turn you into a fucking fortune teller?"
@@ajcampbell451 Ha ha best part of the movie,that was hillarious
I love the eye brow raise at 1:54 like " you kidding me bro?"
Told this story from the movie to a friend from the 101 st who was actually in Vietnam. His reaction , and I quote 'Sargent just outranked the Lieutenant' Don't think my friend had ever seen the movie. He tended not to talk about Vietnam with me at all, although I was very interested in hearing any stories he could give. I know why now, the vets from the war just want to forget about what they went threw. He never got mad at me when I brought it up but , sorta just said I don't talk about it, and left it at that.
One thing I've learned in the military is that ignorance and stupidity comes in all ranks not just the lower ones
One thing I learned in the Army is that ignorance is more common among butterbar LTs than among PFCs.
Love this so much there are no words.
I think Sam Eliott and his wife attended Plumley’s funeral when he passed away and were handed a wrapped flag in real life.
Shows you the kind of man Plumley was.
@theplourde Yes, you are correct. Sergeant Major Basil Plumley was laid to rest at the Fort Benning Cemetery near Columbus, Georgia. Sam Elliott and his wife were in attendance along with Plumley's Daughter and several members of his Family. Unfortunately his wife Deurice passed away 5 months before him.
When Joseph Galloway hit the dirt in the Ia Drang. Plumley had said to his "Son you had best get up if you're going to take any pictures." bullets flying all around him and he's just standing there. Galloway gets up, snaps a picture and Plumley yelled at him to get out of the way before moving him with his arm and firing three rounds from his .45 into a NVA Soldier. I just finished Colonel Moore's book We were soldiers once... and young in which Galloway, I think he co-wrote the book, had said what Plumley had done and how he saved his life. A man Plumley did not want there yet still treated him like one of his own.
@@vorschlaghammer9888 yes, read the book several years ago and actually met Lieutenant General Hal Moore while serving at Fort Lewis, Washington and asked him to sign my copy. still got it on my book shelf and every once in a while I will open it up and read several passages.
@@vorschlaghammer9888
So Americans idolise murderers. 🙄
@@burntbacon7995 Those boys were sent to a war the US should never have entered. They fought and died an enemy that did not take prisoners early into the war. It was kill or die, you tell me what would you have done?
I had a Corporeal in my unit who'd just come back from Vietnam. Only ribbons he wore was like his national defense ribbon and maybe a couple of others. Some of the other guys said he had a bunch of decorations but he didn't like to wear the ribbons for them.
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This is such a great movie. I never get tired of watching it. 😀
Fantastic, I wish it made the cut. Great movie about an extraordinary man and his men.
If you rock the Medal of Honor, the President salutes you, not the other way around.
...and if you rock two of them, god and the devil do so, too.
@@MrPeperoni79 what if you have 3?
@@Jupiter.141if you had 3 you pretty much get to sit at the right hands of God because you surely have earned it
I like those kakki uniforms a lot better than what we had. I hated the berets. I kind of wished we just had the garrison cap, with the patch, like in WW2
Same here. I also like those green uniforms they wore for World War II.
Funny that the Army recently reverted back to WW2 style Dress Uniforms. They look awesome too.
The scene was deleted because it was bogus: The last dual medal of Honor recipient died in 1957 at the age of 59. No one has received 2 Medals of Honor since World War one. (Feb 1919)
So, this scene simply would not work.
Truly appreciate the Historical accuracy OldCavLT...but this was a Hollywierd production and would have been a colorful backstory to SgtMgr Plummley...
Eh, the Rule of Funny could've made it work.
better google that, gunnery Sergeant john gasoline two time winner ww2
basoline
But he was killed in combat in WW2.
I was going through a course at Ft Hunter Liggett when they filmed the Vietnam scenes. They offered some of us after the course was done to stay and get paid as extras. That was a really great experience. I got to meet many of the cast members and got to hang with Sam Elliot on the Army's birthday. It was a hell of a party at the All ranks Club. Great guy, we went to the same HS about a generation apart, lol.
"How do you know what kind of god dam day it is!"
Maybe they should add it back in. The great thing is it reminds me of my dad he was an old army straight leg Soldier. Jumped into Normandy as a paratrooper was wounded came back it was in Patton's tanks went on to fight in Korea retired after 20 some odd years in the military I miss him terribly, before he died he told me that the Army had gone soft told me don't join the Army so I followed orders volunteered for the Corps 🦅SEMPER FI ! DAD.🕊 You trained me well.
Bless your Dad!
If he jumped, I wouldn’t call him a leg...
@@alanhelton Beat me to it! AAtW
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Living near Ft Sill all my life. Reminded me of soldiers I met and friends drafted into the Army. On friend from grade school to high school KIA 90 days after arriving in Vietnam.
I flippen love this the best
I wish it was never deleted!
The few scenes talking about the enlisted sides were deleted, I love the movie but concentrate way too much on the officers side.
Plus, it leaves out a lot of other things that pertained to the battle, and changed the things left in.
When I first saw this scene, I couldn't believe they left it out. Still can't believe it all these years later.
Priceless
This scene is so meaningful describing Sarg Major Plumley. They talk abt Sgt Savage's badass exploits in war and all the medals he got that made the rookie officer salutes him then tells everyone that Sgt Savage is scared shitless to Sgt Major Plumley. Makes u think and wonder a badass Tiger fears what? A bigger and more badass Lion. SALUTE TO THESE 2 LEGENDS.
LOL, if it had been my unit, the story would have had McDoon as also being 7' 9", and ex Corps heavyweight boxing champ.
It's almost an unwritten rule that stories be exaggerated to extremes for effect!
When I saw the Ia Drang Valley as depicted in the film I thought it was shot in Southern California. However, the more I’ve seen actual phots of the Ia Drang, it could have passed for same.
I'm glad they took this scene out
It’s disgusting how our soldiers were treated after Vietnam. They were spit on and cursed at all for following orders and really not having a choice in being there. There was a draft. It was illegal for people to avoid it.
As far as I'm concerned, every single individual who treated those men back in those days deserved to cease to exist.
Except that it didn't happen. Or at least not in any substantial amount. Anti-war protesters were more often than not sympathetic towards draftees returning from the war.
@@Ltbird I came home once in uniform and did not like the looks, from then on, I travelled in civilian clothes. I had a buddy put on my leave orders authorized to travel in civilian clothes.
While Im not saying you're wrong, and I do in fact agree with the sentiment.... Remember this the next time you hear about the enemy 'just following orders'. It might go a long way in preventing the next conflict if we all started seeing each other as humans, not combatants. We are not clean from atrocities either, unfortunately. Its all too easy for the fog of war and the rose tinted hindsight to see very different things......
That being said, if someone tries to kill you, kill em right back.
War is hell. Avoid them.
I came home in 1969. I traveled in uniform. If someone looked sideways at me, I never noticed. Sure as hell, nobody spit on me or said anything derogatory. Must have been intimated by my good conduct medal. I was in the 25 Infantry out of Chu Chi.
They should have re-wrote that with just one Medal of Honor and put it in the film. That would have been great.
Actually the only scene I've ever seen from this movie and it's still one of the greatest scenes from any movie, ever....
That explains that scene so much more.
The scars were the awards and medals. Scars and Mohs were most prized for him
That was a funny scene but during my entire career I never not one time ever saw a boot Lt. ever even attempt to chew out or order around a senior NCO, especially one with combat tours. It just never happened. You have to remember something about the Army chain of command; Most senior officers, BN XO's, BN CO's had combat experience and they survived for the most part because of their NCO's in combat. There was a lot unwritten respect and a lot of almost secretive allowances between senior officers and senior NCO's that no Boot Lt. was going to get in the middle of and it didn't take them long to figure that out. I saw more than one Plt. Sgt or 1st. Sgt put a boot Lt. in his place and when I moved up in the ranks I did it myself a few times. Most officers I had were good smart leaders and I can think of very few who crossed that line.
ive only ever met one LT that tried to buck up multiple times to his senior nco. He was a pretty green guy fresh out of his IBOLC class so it made sense he acted that way.
TheChuck624 I have seen many try it but none succeeded because of what you talk about in your statement, but it didn't stop them from trying to lord their rank over Senior NCO's and even once a CSM it was quite funny the things that the LTC said to that LT.
We had a West Point grad in my last unit. He screamed at our CSM for not saluting him in the motor pool where we had a no pc no salute policy. The CSM saluted, stood at attention and let the LT have his 5 minutes. Later that day when we were released the LTC had the LT on the parade field doing flutter kicks in his ASUs. That LT never said another word to any of the NCOs.
My dad was outprocessing in 1969, had a LT walk about 15 or 20 yards away, then proceeded to chew him out for not saluting. Dad had rows of medals, CIB, gunship wings, 3x purple hearts, etc. LT had like 2 ribbons. First Sgt comes walking up, saw the whole thing happen, and rips into the LT, finishing every curse riddled sentence with "sir". Dad still laughs about it to this day.
Actually had something similar happen when I was in the army.
We had this SSG ( for purpose of this story we'll can him SSG Bills) that didn't really every where all of his awards and badges on his uniform.
So one day he and another SSG each was new to the unit (we'll can this guy SSG Edwards) are talking just a general friendly conversation about land nav, combat techniques and what works best. Well somewhere along the way they disagree on some point about something. SSG Edwards tells SSG Bills how would you know anyway. SSG Edwards tells him he knows better because he went to ranger school.
So the SSG Bills gets up and walks away. About 15 minutes later SSG Bills returns wearing a different BDU top with every badge you could think of. Ranger, special forces, mountaineer, air assault, air borne, Expert Infantry Badge.
SSG Bills just sits down and says "So about your ranger school."
Damn, that recoil!
I heard once that to get a medal of honour one has to be crazy, but to get two of those I just can't imagine how insane one must be
There have been a select few to earn 2 MoHs 🏅. Most were in the civil war era. One US Marine had 2 Combat era MoHs, World War 2. Only 1 woman ever got a Medal of Honor. Civil War service, nurse.
@@DavidLLambertmobile but still it's not something easy to get. One ok but two.
badass scene yet they take it out.
Thats AWESOME!
Rest in peace Sgt. Major.
I'd never seen this until just now. I loved this scene. The whole awards thing is a real thing in the army. It's sad.
That's how bad ass Sgt Plumley was...........
they didn't even need to include this bad ass scene to let the audience know in the movie....LMAO
I watch this scene every time I watch the movie.
I didnt think he could be anymore badass til i saw this
*"My metals are my scars."*
I think you mean...” These scars are my Medals “......
I approve of this creative licensed scene because although not factual the fiction is actually essential to creating mystic around the person who is a living legend. This is first class bullshitting which is tradition.
All War Stories are true....Especially the ones that aren't.
One CMH would have sufficed.
That was a great set up scene.
Love it!!
Best part of that clip is where it shows the officer saluting the Medal of Honor. Someone did their homework for that scene.
Tatonka Smith Except they missed that there wouldn’t have been a double MOH recipient on active duty in the ‘60s. (I took that as the soldier was telling a tall tale.)
@@wyprman I know. Everyone loves to point that same bit of info out. Doesn't change the fact that few outside of the military are going to know about the salute.
And then sarge should get a get a fizzer(s) for a, disobeying a direct order and b, insubordination
@@alan-sk7ky haha. A boot Lt. is going to write up a CoH noncom. Sure.
There were no double awards of the MOH after the WW 1.
This scene should never be cut from the movie
Except the complete lie of the MOHs
That was awesome
When I was in the Corps. I had a SgtMaj named Ackerman. He could put fear into the grim reaper.
Airborne! Lead follow or get out of our way! All I gotta say!
AATW
1/508 here. Hell yes.
I miss the infantry everyday
why did they have a iron cross?
Lots of people have noted this never happened, but it is more about the stories people tell. In the military and everywhere we tell exagerated stories in order to make a point, and those fake stories are often as believed as what really happened. I enjoy the movie since I was teaching miliary personel in Korea when it came out, and once even taught at Camp Gary Owen. Never been in the military but is shows the relationship of a top NCO in relation to commisioned officers. I even had an E-9 in one of my classes, and he did get respect.
The story isn’t suppose to be taken as truth. It’s suppose to be taken as water cooler talk (ie gossip) Amongst peers.
Great scene
"How do you know what god damn day it is" same reply I got from my Sgt.Major in JROTC when I said good morning
LMFAO...this kid said JROTC.
@@richardbossman9875 what's the joke? is being a junior bad?
Richard Bossman What’s wrong with JROTC?
That was hilarious...they should have kept it i the movie.
That scene was in the movie seen it in theater when it came out.
Iv never seen the movie without this scene
McDoon. I read this as "mcDoom"
Aside from the fact that no one has won two MoH since WW1, and that makes the scene not believable, the other fact is that IF anyone actually ran around with two of these , that soldier would be known by name through out the US military and most likely the country.
As if some new lieutenant wouldn’t know he’s commanding the platoon with “two MoH sergeant”.
I’m not American, but I know what this medal means to Americans and and those who serve. As such I found the scene unnecessarily over the top. Had they made it believable and let him have only one MoH it would have been a really good scene and even better, somewhat plausible.
As it is the MoH, as a symbol, is made a prop in a silly dude-bro scene.
That is probably why the deleted the scene. We Were Soldiers was a pretty accurate movie, and the people making it did a good job sticking to history (for once). They probably cut it out once they realized that that scene would be historically inaccurate.
I've had 2nd Lts who made that one look like a seasoned vet. They're a particular kind of stupid when they get the bar, and it was our job as NCO's to finish their education, so they wouldn't get us all killed in the LZ.
My guess is Plumly loaned him his .
I took the scene as showing the time honored tradition of a soldier bullshitting his buddies.
Protip, never underestimate what a 2LT doesn't know.
Say what you want about Gibson - he knows how to make a movie that keeps you glued to the screen! PS. If you want to show how "badass" a particular character is then do not even show him directly or talk about him - make a story about a third guy who is an absolute badass himself, and just tell he was (QUOTE): "scared sh*tless whenever they named the guy you want to present as "THE" toughguy". Nice "movie trick" - from a time back, when movies still had a good script, good plot, awesome actors and perfectly delivered lines to make a point.
That’s a nod to Smedley butler saying this to Dan Daly ( both Marines have 2 MOHs). “Most fighting man I’ve ever see”
Daly was going to get a field commission and said “ why be an officer when I can be remembered as en enlisted marine”
Back in the day soldiers received a piece of the pie of the loot from war now they get medals and called heroes
Medal of Honor winners get quite some benefits financial and other wise ... they don't just get a medal and called a Hero . You need a English man to tell you this ?
Sam Elliot is the SHIT!!!!
Great movie!
Says it all reminds me off somebody