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- Cooler Master NR200P ITX case amzn.to/3BsfQdL
Part list ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/sNys2V
- Intel Core i9-10850K amzn.to/3eI0vfl
- Scythe Mugen 5 CPU cooler amzn.to/3hQY3oJ
- Gigabyte Z490I AORUS ULTRA ITX amzn.to/3hV1P0z
- Crucial Ballistix 64 GB 3600mhz CL16 amzn.to/3BCM71U
- Western Digital SN750 1 TB NVME amzn.to/3kE1Lnz
- NVIDIA RTX 3070 8 GB Founders Edition amzn.to/3BvdwCy
- Cooler Master NR200P ITX case amzn.to/3BsfQdL
- Corsair SF 750 W 80+ Platinum SFX PSU amzn.to/3x6fCpr
- Case fans: Noctua F12, A12, A9 amzn.to/3izOxFJ amzn.to/3Bw4u8K
This may be the optimal way to show off the inside of your Cooler Master NR200P's build with the tempered glass and still cool a high-end CPU like the Intel i9 10850k. You will probably not be able to overclock but at least you can run the system without any power limits and never thermal throttle all while maintaining whisper quiet operation.
Update 8/24/2021: I spoke to Scythe about the fan noise and they sent a replacement and it fixed the issue! Awesome customer service, I must add!
#nr200 #nr200build #sff #itxbuild
0:00 Intro to the problem
0:33 Problem with liquid AIO solutions
1:42 Problem with air cooling
3:34 Should I settle?
3:55 Why Hyper 212 EVO V2 was a DISASTER
7:15 Scythe Mugen 5 to the rescue!
9:05 Top exhaust fan compatibility
10:26 Mugen 5 is not perfect, here's why...
12:14 Mugen 5 upgrades
12:42 Quick note about Noctua A12 120mm fan
13:10 Case fans for NR200
15:07 The results for CPU air coolers
17:29 Bottom case fans worth it for GPU cooling?
18:58 Conclusions TLDW
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Update 8/24/2021: I spoke to Scythe about the fan noise and they sent a replacement and it fixed the issue! Awesome customer service, I must add!
So would you recommend keeping the fan as part of the cooler configuration? Or is the RPM speed still an issue? Great video, btw!
how gpu temp in long session gaming?
Check out the nr200 inverted mod if you decide to go liquid cooled
@@MoshiCola check out nr200p max instead.
@@mrdjent8856 *not available* also more expensive than drilling 2 holes in an nr200 + 240 aio
I did this exact build last year and still running it. Dropped my delid 8700k about 12 degrees.
Tip: pull the top metal mesh off the top of the case and have exposed top fans, you wont need bottom intake fans at all. Lower the psu with standoffs on the psu mounts. The scythe cooler is the best but the stock fan is terrible and must be replaced. Also remove the rear pcie covers for better 92mm air flow. Im using it with a ROG 2070 super and strangely it ran cooler with the glass panel on. The NR200P is an amazing case.
You could use the CPU cooler as a rear exhaust to minimize dust with no issues if you 1. have two bottom fans as intake, 2. have two fans at the top as exhaust, and 3. (optional) setup your GPU so it exhausts more heat through the rear blower (it's what I did with my 3080 FE card).
That would be a negative pressure scenario, which would not be optimal at all for dust build up
@@rivie2xwell, this case has filters on all sides except for the back, which is exhausting in this case, so I really don't get what you're saying here
CPU Cooler as an exhaust would mean, hot air coming out of the Power supply exhaust gets sucked in the cooler. Not ideal
Love that you went all the way to just test different coolers. Good job. Helped a lot of us.
Thank you!
I believe there are a few options from thermalright with 154mm air cooler. Ta120 ex comes to mind, they have even smaller 130ish mm height cooler. I think it could be worth your time checking those out
ITX builds are great! I'm looking at doing another one soon!
I was in the same dilema one year ago. Finally found that, Be quiet pure rock 2 (black) fit perfectly with tempered glass and mesh panel.
why not test the cooler tower without putting paste? and if it fits then apply paste?
Fair comment. I suppose I wanted to test the thermal performance as well. But that's a good idea if you're only concerned for height clearance.
Nice! I'm looking for air cooling options for this case, trying to make it my next build. And I agree with you about AIO's-- I used to have one, it was louder than air cooling because it has a pump constantly cycling, and eventually the pump failed and my CPU completely lost all cooling. In my experience air cooling has just been quieter, far cheaper, just as effective, and even if the fans failed there's at least still a heatsink for passive cooling.
Agreed! Ty for the nice comments
I was able to use the Cryorig H7 Plus with my i9-10900K in this case (same motherboard too). Excellent performance and super easy to install. Manages temps with the tempered glass on there along with a 3090. Love this case.
That was my choice but not available in Canada. Nice. Can you overclock?
Nice video and explanation. I appreciate video like this helping everyone out.
I built my NR200 a few months ago and went with an inexpensive 240mm ID cooling AIO. I was about to send it back in place of the a good air cooler since it can't really (by default) be top mounted. And I've pretty much watched all of the videos on air cooling the NR200 and was about to go that route. But since I don't use the glass panel I figured I'd keep the ID Cooling AIO and give that a run. I didn't want to spend a lot for the Noctua A12X25s so I went with the Noctua NF-P12 Redux as AIO radiator intakes and top exhaust fans. I also put two 15mm Scythe Kaze Flex 120mm as bottom intakes. Barely fit below the beastly 3070 Ti FTW3. I kept the 92mm rear exhaust that came with the case. In the end I have 7 fans and a whisper quiet setup. Very happy with the case and end result.
Sorry, I made it about me. =P
Nice setup! Must be quiet.
This video and your post are exactly what I was looking for! I love the SFF but hate the fan noise, so it's been a battle. Anyway, I currently have an EK Basic 240 and replaced those fans and top exhaust in the NR200 with 2000rmp F12 PPC's. Just added a 3060 Ti the other day and it was getting hot in the bottom of the case. After reading your post, I went ahead and ordered a pair of A12x15's for the bottom and will install them soon. I am curious how your thermals are under load. Have you noticed any throttling on either the CPU or GPU?
Thanks to both of you for the awesome info! =)
@@wessmithchandler Hi Wes. To this point I've been doing a lot of gaming since I configured this case and I never even here the fans ramp up regardless of what I'm playing. Granted I'm not typically playing AAA heavy hitters on ultra/4K. I've run Unigine Heaven benchmark a few times and my top CPU/GPU (5600x/3070 Ti) temps are at around 64/73. During this test the fans never hit full RPMs and you can barely hear them from 5 feet away. I haven't noticed any CPU or GPU throttling to this point. The only change I may make at some point is to go from the cheapy AIO to a top performer. But right now there's no need.
How hot is your GPU getting? From all of the videos I've watched (many!) on this case, the bottom intake fans will improve (a few degrees maybe) your GPU temps but will have no effect on the CPU.
Your video helped me a lot with my first build, thank you. I took the scythe mugen 5 and switched its fan with an Arctic white fan and it looks and works so well with my TG panel
Niiiice
I bought the u12a for my NR200 with the metal panel. It fits perfectly and with rear exhaust configuration it keeps my 5900x around 70 degrees under prime95 load. Yes, the Noctua is expensive but this cooler will last me easily another two CPU generations.
Awesome
My U9S by Noctua has been chugging along for 7-8 years. I upsized from an Ncase M1 to this NR200 case so since I have more room, I'm going to replace it with a larger cooler or just go with an AIO.
Thank you for doing the heavy work of finding a cpu tower cooler that fits in this case!
No problem!
The Be Quiet! Pure Rock also fits nicely (not event touching) with the glass panel if you remove the top cover. You can even fit 2x 120mm fans :)
If only I knew...
Just the basic pure rock?
As it happens I've used a similar arrangement for my last two full ATX builds (currently a Fractal Define R5), i.e. with the CPU cooler 'backwards' and the rear fan as intake, with a central top fan for exhaust. I made up a filter for the rear fan consisting of a frame cut from 2mm ABS sheet which attaches via strips of 3M magnetic tape so it can be removed and installed in seconds by feel for cleaning. Effectively, it's a completely independent cooling loop for the CPU, and the central top fan is ideally positioned to exhaust heat from both CPU and GPU. There are also two front and one centre/bottom intake fans (Arctic P14 CO ball-bearing, spinning between 550-900 RPM). Hence it's net very 'positive pressure' with all intakes filtered. BTW, I also had problems with a Scythe fan - the rear intake was originally one of their unusual 14cm counter-clockwise spinning, 7-blade Kaze's (which I wanted because the plan was to 'stack' it in line with the one on a Noctua NH-U14S cooler, I eventually went with NH-D15S dual tower), and like the one in this video it was very noisy above about 900 RPM (unbearable anywhere near its 1750 RPM limit). I replaced it with an Arctic P14 RGB (has the annular ring on the impeller which stops the drone from blade resonance the standard one makes at certain RPM). It's _easily_ the quietest 14cm fan at given RPM/pressure I've tried, including that on the Noctua NH-D15S and Be Quiet Silent Wings, both of which are two or three times the price. ETA the CPU is a i9-9900KF @ 4.9Ghz/1.295V (no AVX offset), in Cinebench R23 it pulls c. 150w, with the rear intake fan at c.1500 RPM and Noctua CPU at c.1200 cores are c 80°C (+/- 2°C) on a warm spring day in the UK. The CPU is going to be de-lidded and direct-die'd soon (using a shim around the die and with the arched Noctua plat lapped flat).
damn that sounds intense
thank you for sharing this! I\ll use this as a guide if I want to downsize my main rig!
Great video. I'm glad to see more content about the NR200!
if I remember correctly, in one of his videos, the guy from Machines and More channel replaced the Kaze Flex fan by a Noctua NF-A12 in the Mugen 5 and the difference in temps was less than 1º C in a overclocked R7 3700X. Maybe there is a significant difference in a hotter cpu like yours.
I also have a NR200 paired with a Mugen 5 cooling a 3700X. After some tests, I decided to go with: mesh panel (to bring cool air from outside and help the GPU to breathe) + cooler exausting air to the back + one fan on top right as exaust. No fans beneath the GPU. Temps are good and I can barely hear any noise from my PC, even when gaming.
I did confound the results by using a rear fan 92mm which added more cooling!
just what i needed thanks so much!!. very clear and great video to see the different options of cooler's
Thermalright Burst Assassin (BA) is 155mm exactly. Good quality, price and contact surface. As for rear intake itself, Silverstone fan filters can be found online. Can screw them to pretty much any 120mm fan in all the custom builds.
If you bend the mounting plate for the motherboard and use slightly smaller standoffs you can fit the u12a in the case
Extremely useful!
I`ve reached 78 degrees celsius with my 5600X while playing GoW, using push and pull right to left, so airflow was intake from inside the case to outside the case.
When i changed the orientation, from intake left to exhaust right, with a exhaust fan on top...MAAAAN, IT REACHES 69 DEGREES NOW
Only complain is that i get more dust now. Will have to create some sort of dust filter to put at the back of the case.
Anyway, amazing tip and explanation. Really worth to check it out ;)
Thanks for confirming that it's the more optimal orientation when gaming. I see Soo many tech TH-camrs do it the traditional right to left way (dave2d)
yep! i have a noctua NHU12S Chromax Black + Noctua fan NF-F12 Swapable for push and pull, and i really didn`t get why my temps were so freaking high...man, this changes the entire game. 10-12 degrees less in a mini ITX build is absurd! Tks a lot for the tip :)
I was doing research exactly on this topic, your video is so rich with information, I was about to go with the fuma 2 but now I’ll go Mugen 5 :), thank you
I'think fuma 2 will fit!
Thank you for this video, the cooler fits perfectly in my NR200!
Nice what cpu
@@JSyntax Ryzen 5600X
I just moved my build into the regular nr200
Thermaltake Phantom Spirit 120 SE and a regularly mounted GPU
two noctua fans on the bottom for intake
couldn't be more pleased with thermals
Extremely informative. thanks a ton for this video,. I'm in the mood of building a powerful itx build and Want to see the potential of nr200. This video answered all of my doubts.
Thank you for your kind words, let us know how it goes
I know this video is a bit old, but Noctua recently released the D12L, a 120mm dual-tower with a height of 145mm, a whole 10mm less than what you're allowed. And by their own rating system, its thermal performance sits square between the U12A and U12S.
Secufirm is awesome. A close runner up though is the Be Quiet mounting system (which has no name I guess?). It's also very easy. They also make smaller blacked out coolers such as the Dark Rock Slim and it's as silent as can be.
I just got the same Aorus Z590I mobo, but the cooler I currently have is a Shadow Rock LP. So went trough all of the same thoughts you listed and then some - RAM clearance, same huge mobo heatsink, on top, the USB3 header cable doesn't fit under the only position the Shadow Rock LP fits and of course can't return used items where I live. Because I currently use a non K i5-11600 (that has a lower TDP), I went with a Pure Rock 2 Slim. I used it before, and I know it works great and will definitely fit in my current setup.
Same setup, but I'm running an i5 for gaming. I'm very impressed with the Mugen; I never heard of Scythe before buying this cooler. I will have to try reversing the fan to pull from the rear, I'm running ~70c under load and would like to lower temps.
I have no issues with the stock fan, it's very quiet, but I also don't run at 100%.
Good choice! let me know if reversing the fan helps. I know it's counterintuitive but if you think about the airflow, it may be better?
This is a really helpful video. I'm doing my first build, starting from ZERO knowledge, and got the ASUS ROG Strix B660I, and I'm so worried about clearances. I'm going to go with your setup, but instead of the Mogen 5, I'll try the Thermalright Silver Soul 135. A little smaller, but much better heat sink density. The company seems to be very well respected in Europe. Also the cooler came in white, black, and gray. I'll be using Arctic fans. Hope it works! I've got the i7-12700K.
Hey I really appreciate your kind words. I'm going to research this superior option
I think may need a lga1700 kit cos the bracket doesnt fit the b660i...
For those wondering: I have my NR200 set up with the glass panel. I have the same motherboard with an unaltered Scythe Fuma 2, and everything fits fine. Enough clearance for I/O shield and RAM. It's even easier with the mesh panel.
Well done!
Tip, JSyntax: Use rubber gloves when working with unpainted aluminum products. The oil on your skin will case a chemical reaction on the metal.
Mugen is pronounced "MOO" (like the sound of a cow) "gen" (hard g, not soft g like generation) due to it being Japanese in origin. Scythe is European and the c can be considered to be silent: syth (not Sith, of course!).
11:34 2,000 RPM. You accidentally said 200. ;)
12:24 The NF A12x24 is famous, not infamous, and it is neither the most expensive, considering that there are several fans that nor the most premier, except perhaps for the amazing SS02 bearings. The most expensive fans in my inventory include the SilverStone Air Penetrator 184i-Pro SST-AP184i-PRO, and a Delta fan. There are fans that even more expensive at over $100/fan, too.
I've also been looking for a cooler lol, thanks.
Cant believe this is the only VERY informative video on youtube.
Thank you that means a lot
@@JSyntax Hi, I have a question. I have the same components as you except the GPU (im going for the Asus 3070 ti ROG strip idk what you think about this one, lmk), I would like to know if buying a large GPU with 3 fans will affect the airflow significantly for the bottom two fans.
Finally got my build after watching tons of videos - and yours definitely helps ! Leaving the build here so you can have another idea to test your CPU and GPU
CPU: Intel Core i5 11400F
Motherboard: Asus Z590i ROG STRIX
RAM: Patriot Viper Steel 3200MHz 32GB (16x2)
GPU: RTX 3080 EVGA FTW3 Ultra 10GB
PSU: Cooler Master SFX 850W Plus Gold
SSD: Samsung 970 EVO Plus 500GB
HDD: Barcuda Seagate 2TB 5400 RPM
Cooler: Noctua NH-D12L (intake)
Fans:
- Top: Cooler Master Sickle Flow 120mm x2 (Exhaust)
- Rear: Noctua NF-A9 Chromax Black Swap 92mm x1 (Intake)
- Side: Arctic P14 PWM PST 140mm x1 (exhaust)
ngl thats a decent dissbalance between cpu and gpu. would have went with a 10700k. pairing those cards with 6 core cpus isnt the best idea especially if you have many open programms and multiple monitors.
@@gackhuhn4868 yeah just upgraded the card and will get the CPU up to 11700F (many things to spend aside from computer) :D thanks for the advice
finaly someone that prefers air cooling, ive been telling all my friends that aio cooling is not where its at, you could get a air cooler and use the extra 80$ for a entire better tier of nvme or gpu
yes! I too don't really like AIO coz of the same reason and moreover, I may go beyond 5yrs or more with the same PC (like the one I'm actually using 9+yrs)...but watching so many AIO builds do make it tempting...
this is why I don't like doing small builds I wish I would have waited for the max version , I am going to try with 2 of these cases and cut one down to size just for the radiator and put on top
I’m using the bequiet aio in my nr200p build. This aio is interesting as the pump is at the radiator side which allows bottom placement for the radiator but I mount it at the side bracket. Not using the tg panel and my cpu is running cool at 68-70 degree with Ryzen 5600x at load and cpu temp at 72-74 degrees. I do swap out all the fans with noctua a12x15 fans n I did not mount any fans at the bottom cause my 3080:is too big .
Haven't completed my own build yet, still waiting on some parts (GPU, sigh) but I opted to use the budget friendly Vetroo V5 to cool my 5600X (at 65W this CPU does not require the highest cooling). Despite that I expect the V5 to perform pretty well once I change it's one mediocre fan and slap on two Arctic P12's on it which will definitely fit in a push/pull configuration, drawing in air from the rear.
I will definitely try an exhaust configuration too though. If thermals allow it prefer to keep that as an exhaust to avoid dust built-up inside the case. Tinkering a DIY rear dust filter is the other option.
Lastly I have not yet checked if the Gigabyte B550I + Vetroo V5 combo allows for two 25mm top fans. It' gonna be close.
Great video though, the NR200P is the most flexible ITX case outthere, I wish CM listened to the community and released a v2 that takes our complaints into account (Top AIO, 2mm more cooler clearance, ...) and NO don't start about the MAX.
Agreed they haven't made a v2. I guess it's about keeping their machine assembly line profits! They need volume to make the case affordable
damn, this is a really damn helpful video, as clear as it gets. thank you
Awesome
Im just gonna use the vented side panel, not particularly interested in viewing the inside since cable management is so cluttered. But do you.
Pure rock 2 does fit, i have one with 2x arctic p12 argb fans in my NR200P.
Good video. In terms of airflow for my RTX 3070 Vision (Horizontally, fans at the bottom), do you still recommend the airflow you suggested with intake from the back. Currently I have a stock AMD Cooler, I will replace with a Mugen 5 that I have. I have a 92mm NF-A9 fan and two slim Notcua 4 pin fans at the botton for intake. I have 2 top Cooler Master White sickle flow fans to exhaust.
In that case, it's a harder to decide. We'd need some empirical data to determine what is optimal
Can you try both scenarios?
Great Video, thanks a lot
great video thanks bud.
Great review, super helpful and you're content is great. I can't help it though as I'm screaming at my screen - I'm not sure if someone has already said something as the video is a year old, but RPM is already plural so you don't need to worry about saying RPMs, it's like someone adding an S at the end of Pokémon, like my mum because she doesn't know what she's talking about. Also, the C in Scythe is silent. Beyond that, your video was so helpful with my NR200 build!
Love your comment! Ty
This is really great man thank you - extra (but important) things to think about before having a crack at building in the NR200p :-)
You can do it man
@@JSyntax I seriously didn't know this about the cooler height man so thanks a lot1 The Hyper 212 RGB was actually one of the choices saved in my basket haha
@@JSyntax I wonder if the stock cooler is 'enough' for the 12400 I'm going to use it with along with the two standard fans up top, and an extra at the rear 🤔 There's certainly no clearance issues with that :-)
@@LukesGamePage While the bundled intel cooler is enough, I would personally recommend anyone with an extra $30 to get an aftermarket air cooler. Even for an i5, the difference in temps would be day and night.
I have the same case and to be honest, the case works best with a Tower cooler even though I have a 120 AIO from ID-Cooling the pipe is too big and I kinda have to force it in thus making the pipe push down into the graphic card which makes it slightly bend. So yeah to anyone considering having a small AIO, I recommend you not to.
Great video man. Exactly what I was looking for. Questions: How about using the heatsink with horizontal orientation and pulling air from bottom and exhausting in the back? I mean, I am considering a lower TDP cpu. Does Schyte support mounting it this way and would the ram clear ? And does this case support 14mm bottom fans? Thanks!
I don't think I can do that! Thank you mc
Great video, but I was wondering about the case fan configuration. Would removing the top exhaust fans make a noticeable difference, because according to my dad they don't do anything since the air could just go out the mesh panels.
It's adding more air flow, so it's going to push out hot air faster
Very informative. Gonna be doing this for my first build. Wondering how did you connect the 92mm fan? Did you use a splitter connected with the front noctua fan or did you use a fan hub?
I had so many y splitters and fan headers so it was easy to hook them all!
More space between heat fins is actually good thing as it allows for more air flow, cools better.
Thanks! But why are noctua coolers so dense? There must be some trade off. I'm guessing air flow vs thermal capacity?
Love the video JSyntax, full of info & enjoyed it,
I had the NR200P white back on Release in 2020 & now going back to it again,
The Max version of the case I hate due to only vertical GPU Mounting in the Max version & also only in grey colour & price,
I am going to install corsair 15mm thickness fans white 'AF120 Slim'
Sounds like a fun project!
Hi, I have a question. I have the same components as you except the GPU (im going for the Asus 3070 ti ROG strip idk what you think about this one, lmk), I would like to know if buying a large GPU with 3 fans will affect the airflow significantly for the bottom two fans.
Nice video! Will migrate to itx coming from matx do you think Cooler Master MA612 Stealth ARGB fit? What do you think?
It looks good!
Thanks for this vid. It helped me decide that the mugen is the best cooler for this build. I don't want a cooler that supposedly fits. I want one that definetely fits. I do have one question though. HAve you tried removing that plastic cover of the mainboard in order to maybe fit the second cpu fan? Maybe if it's removable it will give some clearance but idk if this would be enough
No, but putting a 92mm was not a bad compromise?
@@JSyntax But you said "no compromises!" ;o)
Thanks for the vid. I purchased the NR200p and I was able to get my hands on a 3070 so this is really close to my future build. I went with a Noctua NH-U9S for the clearance. Hopefully it cools the Ryzen 7 5800X well enough!
Nice choice!
Be curious to know how you're getting on. 5800x is tricky to cool. I wouldn't expect a U9S to be able to cope.
@@egocd It gets along great. I have two 120mm fans at the bottom acting as an intake and two 120mm fans at the top as an exhaust. Even with the tempered glass side panel on, I'm getting around 50°C on idle and just above 60° under load.
@@peterbieniek7758 On a 5800x? That doesn't sound right at all :D
@@egocd Yeah that statement is pure BS, I recently bought a 5800x paired it with a Noctua U12 Chroma Black with 2x Arctic Bionic 120mm fans and on Cinebench it hits 82C and Gaming on a 240Hz Monitor - Battlefield V 170+ FPS it hovers from 75-79C depends on the map.
nice video.
Im having a similar problem with the same case same graphics card rtx 3070 asus tuf.
The CPU gets to 76-77C while playing Dead Space Remake at maximum settings where the cpu usage gets to 55-60% at about 120 fps.
Have the evo 212 and i think im not getting enough fresh air. Opening the side panel makes the CPU temperature go to 66-67C in about 3 minutes ( the time it needs for the new air to cool the aluminium fins).
im thinking either switching the fans to take the air from the back like you did. put some fans in the bottom. or, buy the thermalright peerless assassin 120. I think its 155mm so it should also fit.
I never use cinebench as a measure to read temps because its not a real scenario. I alwaya preffer to run an intensive game during 20 minutes or so, so the temps starts rising until it gets stable at 76-77 in my case.
Cooler master actually state that you are meant to set the cooler to intake from the rear and bottom and exhaust the top so you were right 👍🏻
Thanks for this video, very helpful! But would just like to ask. How much space do you still have between your GPU (the founder's edition) and the bottom case fans? Because from where I am (Philippines), it's very hard to get a hand of Founder's edition GPUs, so I'm left with no choice but get typical 2.5-2.7 Slot GPUs. Would just like to check if it would still fit even with the bottom case fans installed. Thanks!
It'll fit but id go with slim fans! Thank you for your kind words
@@JSyntax Thanks for the reply! Another question, if you don't mind. If I have a larger GPU (say, 2.7 - 3 Slot width) and using 2-120 slim fans at the bottom case, with the clearance is little compared to your build (2 slot GPU vs my 2.7-3 Slot GPU), would it still yield the same results in terms of GPU cooling?
Great video! Do you think the Mugen 5 will fit on a Asrock B550 Phantom gaming ITX/ax motherboard without blocking memory?
Likely
I just wanted to thank you for this really helpful video! I was having trouble finding a compatible air cooler for this case and you definitely helped me out! 😄
Love how you put the Hyper 212 EVO in it as well, cause I was also considering it
Your welcome!
In my case it's a C14S vented side intake 2x140mm push-pull down on the motherboard, won't work on glass sidepanel of course, but I'm okay with that. I might put the case on its motherboard side (reusing the feet to raise it a bit) so GPU can intake more air and CPU/GPU won't sag the socket/PCIe slot. Will probably need a heatsink for backside NVMe SSD cooling.
I have a 5800x and a two fan rtx370. My fan configuration is two regular bottom intake.
Small scythe back exhaust.
Top fan closer to cpu exhaust and the other intake. This way I have cold air in the cpu. And two fans taking it out. Never hit more than 90C
Very nice!
Thanks for the informative video, I really enjoyed it thoroughly as I am planning to get this rig if there is enough gap between the panel and my 157mm cpu cooler in height.
Could you tell if there was about a 5 mm+ gap between your cooler and the metal/glass panel? Thanks again.
Hard to measure!
@@JSyntax I heard it barely fits up to 158 mm with the mesh panel, again thanks for the response.
- I use a piece of thin cloth to see if there's enough gap and it seems to do the job.
I got my hands an a mugen black 5s. I have choice to either add an extra 120mm fan on the block, or go for a 90mm on the back of the case or both? What do you suggest?
Both!
Great video! .... but why not buy NH-D15S or NH-D14S directly?!
overall good bad or ugly this is the best true love to build computer video I have seen
You da besr
2:51 is very relatable 🙃
can we configure it as left side desk position? like putting the feet on the top and the top cover to the bottom?
Scythe air coolers are definitely beautifully engineered, well performing, reliable merchandise. They are the poor man's Noctua with 95% of the performance, F&F, and quality of Noctua's coolers. Highly recommended, especially Fuma2, Mugen, Big Shurikens.
agreeed
Thoughts on same build with a 3900x and a evga 3060ti (2slot)?
Thank you very much, great video. I'm sticking w/ the mesh, haven't decided which Noctua I want. I don't know if I can go to 158mm. Do you? :) And I was able to buy a RTX 3080 Ti FE at Bust Buy Thursday. Thank you again.
You might with thr mesh cover,
17:40 you said that the FE was performing better than the 3 slot aorus 3070, so getting a slimmer GPU and having 2 good bottom fans gives better thermals than having a chonky 3 (or 3.x) slot card?
I'm torn between getting a slim 4070 Ti (theres one by inno3d that is 2 slots / 41mm thick) with two bottom fans (hoping that 25mms would fit, would even get T30s if they fit and have enough clearance) or getting a thicc 3.x slot card that would likely not even fit 15mm fans.
agree with the intake at the rear case. i was using wraith prism with my 5600x and i tried both ways but with intake on the rear i got 5-6deg cooler temp load when gaming
You must have a 3000 series right
@@JSyntax yes i have a rtx 3080 galax, im not able to fit even a slim fan as intake underneath due to the size of the GPU so i am dependant on the 3 gpu fans. also im using an aorus b550ipro ax so my cpu socket height would not allow me to fit my QL120 or even a kaze flex on top of the heatsink. i can only use a slim fan for that but im not planning to add that in for now as my current temps are fine with 1 exhaust on the top. so i have 3 fans running now, QL120 for the to right, intake on the heatsink using the QL120 as well for aesthetics and one arctic p9 sandwiched as intake btwn the case and mugen 5 and the vrm dont allow for 120 fans
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@jsyntax planning a similar build. Thanks for the video. I figured I would intake top, exhaust bottom and was undecided on the rear/cooler fan. Was going to base it on the final cooler choice. Do you think a stock Ryzen would have any issues with that configuration with the glass panel?
Yeah I think it should be good
Hey, remember that hot air goes up and cold air goes down, so your planned airflow should be very inefficient. You should try with bottom intake and top exhaust, it's way more effective. Just an advice, I hope this helps you ;-)
Don't do that, you will choke your GPU.
Did you ever try the fan right above the cpu tower as an intake as well?
so intake in the bottom and exhaust out the top? and intake from back (push pull in) ?? thanks
Can you fit Push/Pull for Mugen 5 if you use thinn 15mm fan at the back?
I have a kinda unrelated question: Can the NR200 without a gpu installed fit 3.5" HDDs at the bottom? I'm trying to do an office pc for my family, and ideally I want 1 SSD and 2 HDDs to fit. Cooling should be enough with the 2 top mounted fans, it's just an i3.
is this exact cooling setup also available with the nr200 with the mesh panel? sry, new to pcmasterrace
Tip for you - you mentioned needing special screws if you go with slim fans up top. As it turns out, the gray plastic spacers from a Noctua SecuFirm 2 kit that you use on AMD AM4 are 10mm tall. For me, using Noctua slims that I already had on-hand, with the 10mm spacers, I was golden. Naturally, you've got to have spare spacers on-hand to pull this off, but you can do it without special screws.
Wow! Ty for the tip
@@JSyntax Cheers. It was a total MacGyver moment. I was in the middle of a case transplant and BADLY didn’t want to roll back.
Is there anything you’d do differently almost a year later? Or do you feel this is still the best performing/cooled/noise free build? Looking to do a similar build but with the Gigabyte x570 Aorus Pro motherboard (lower in height that the one used in video slightly, so should be good). Was going to go with NR200P Max but your liquid cooling comments helped me get away from that AIO build.
I absolutely love my setup. I've been gaming and mining 24/7 and it's cool and quiet. I've tweaked all the fans to my liking. The only thing I'd do differently is use the new mugen 5 2nd edition that is of black color. Best pc I ever built!
@@JSyntax This is really good to hear! I actually ordered most of my parts today and tried looking for Mugen 5 Black edition but it seems like it’s not available in the U.S as I can’t find it on Amazon or other places (correct me if I’m wrong). I’m basically going to have a nearly identical set up to yours(but with black A12’s, A9, and NR200P case) and will hopefully find a 3070 ti soon. Thanks for your video as it helped with a lot of difficult choices!
How does this build do during idle or light usage?
I'm trying to decide between this setup and the nr200 max with the water cooler, with the big disadvantage of the water cooler for me being the pump noise during idle. But if this setup is louder than the pump noise during idle, I would just go with water cooling.
Thank you! Great video!
It's very quiet. The quietest pc I owned
Is it better to use thick fans at the bottom... or slim? Slim leave a bigger gap between the fans and the gpu.
Tbh I do with thick if you Can
Hi! Do you reckon this'll fit with a arous b550 and ROG 3070? Should I also get fans for the top and bottom and will they fit if so? Cheers!
id get as many fans as possible!
Hey man, you're probably not going to see this but if you do it would be greatly appreciated. Do I'm building my first ever pc and I know how everything works and what not from taking apart older computers and watching tons and tons of videos and I wanted to get this case and I was going to use a ryzen 5 5600x with a rtx3060 and I wanted to know if I need a crazy cooler or not and if so what do you recommend, I won't be running any crazy 4k games or anything too over the top. Thx In advance!
If I may ask, why didn't you use a slim fan (like noctua a12) rather than the noctua 92mm fan? Great video btw, I'm also planning for an nr200p build! but deciding whether to use scythe fuma 2 or mugen 5.
i dont think it'd fit with the tall io shield/vrm heat sinks :( -- im not 100% sure a12 slim would fit there. TY btw! What CPU are you cooling? I personally would be curious to do a mugen 5 vs fuma 2
Ahh I see, now im leaning on fuma 2.
I'm going to use 5900x for my build. Thanks for the reply!
Hey Jsyntax, I have a question that I hope you can help with. I am building in the NR200 and I am curious if the stock AMD 5600x heatsink will suffice. All of the other builds I have seen use a special heatsink but I can't really afford that. Would the CPU get too hot even if I have 5 fans?
Yes it's good enough
You mentioned that the top panel can’t fit other fans than cooler masters. I haven’t found anything online on what I’d need to potentially fit other fans on the top panel. Can you tell me and others what one would need exactly?
Amazing video, I'm glad I ran into your channel Jsyntax!
Likely going to do a VERY similar build to this!
Do you have results of both CPU/GPU temps while gaming @ max settings in 1440p?
@JSyntax I have the same case in black (using mesh panels). I'm using the Noctua NF-U12A with 2x NF-A12x25 fans that came with it and extra 1x NH-A9x14 at the back of it for extra exhaust, its possible. I think it was possible because the asus x570-i i/o shield is smaller, I presume, than other itx mobos.
I love I love to see a photo of that that seems like a lot of fans on the rear because your main CPU Cooler already has two fans
will the scythe shuriken 2 and 4 artic p12 pwn pst rgb fans have any problems with a 5600x and a rtx 3060 ti?
Amazing video,m super informative. I do have a couple of questions if you don't mind answering them?
1. In your case you have two fans blowing air directly into your GPU. Did this help with thermals? I heard, on Reddit and other forums, that it can hurt thermals of the GPU to have some fans blow directly into them like you have there.
2. Do you know of any other PC cases, ATX specifically, that allow for fan installations at the bottom? Phantex's Elite does but their whole case is insanely huge it comes with its own wheel-barrow like box. Lian Li has a few but I'm not much of a fan of temperate glass side panels.
Yes I believe 2 gpu fans does help. But if you have a thicc card you'll need slim fans
Thank you for this vid because I’m building a sff pc build and this vid helps me with what cpu cooler I should choose but my budget and gpu and UGHHHH everything is falling apart ;-; new egg 🥚 why you do this to me… and this is my first time to build a pc too
Goddamn it, I wanted to post a video similar to this but F it. This was by far better than mine.
And now you helped me and a ton of people.
This is exactly what I've been looking for!
I'd like to see your video. Please link when it's ready
@@JSyntax I can't compete with your quality of video lol.
But I will try to get a capable camera and start an even smaller build in the future, once I can find half sized gpus.
There are plenty of Etsy custom panels to buy which give room to use the noctua U12A.
A little late to comment on this, but theres a decent air cooler called Vetroo V5 thats 140mm ish in height and can cool my ryzen 9 5900x beautifully and fits the glass panel with about 1cm of clearance