THERMAREST VS NEMO - Which Sleep Pad Should You Buy? Is R Value Important?
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CORRECTION- Some Thermarest pads DO come with pump sacks. I’m only (super)human people! I do make mistakes too! 🤷🏻♂️😂🙌
Dan, are you a side sleeper? I’ve heard good things about the tensor for side sleepers. What kind of sleeper are you?
My Thermarest has the pump sack and doesn’t need your breath to use it. I have read that the moisture from your breath can get trapped in the pad and over time can create mold and other nasty things.
Hi Dan
How tall are you? I'm tossing up between the Nemo Tensor Regular/Wide and Long/Wide, I am 6ft
Thanks for your videos Dan, very helpful and entertaining👍
@@nicksmith3037 ...Hi Nick! I may be able to help you as I'm 5"11, and I have 2 of the same Nemo Tensor in Regular and Reg/Wide. I think you'd be happy with the Reg/wide if you toss & turn a lot when you sleep. I love the 3' thickness of this pad and the 25" width cause I move around a lot when I sleep...I was warm also. I made the mistake of purchasing the Regular 20" width, and when I would toss and turn, I would have to make sure I was on the pad. With the Reg/Wide 25" I NEVER had that problem, I had enough width to keep me on the pad no matter how much I moved around. I actually have a 3rd Original Nemo Tensor in Reg/Wide 25", but I didn't like the air valve, and it didn't include the air sack. I thought I'd try and go lighter, and that's why I purchased the newer Reg 20" wide Tensor, but just didn't like the skinnier width, so I had the buy the reg/wide25" LOL! Now I know in the future if I ever have to buy another pad, I sleep better with a 25" width pad. Hope this helps!🇺🇸
@@cjsoutdoors4412 hey thanks so much so nice infi amd advice there, I appreciate that, I ended up purchasing the Long Wide and am very happy with the size, it fit me great and also very impressed with the comfort, warmth, packablity and quality of this pad!
Thanks for taking the time to include the Celsius temps!
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@@chriswaters9267 commie like common sense ;)
@@chriswaters9267 Comrade
The term comrade is used to mean 'mate', 'colleague', or 'ally', and derives from the Spanish and Portuguese, term camarada, literally meaning 'chamber mate', from Latin camera, meaning 'chamber' or 'room'.
Thanks eh!
Why are you literally the outdoorsy dad version of Jim from the office
YES! I have to admit that's kind of what kept me watching the first video. Even sent it to my wife 'cus she's an Office nut
I can answer that, because the"force is strong with him" that's why.
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He needs a camp Dwight in his videos now
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I love my x-therm in large dead comfy and thick. Never had pads in the Army back in the 80's so back then a piece of foam then was a revelation to keeping warm. I'm always feared about punctures though. X-therm does come with a pump bag but I use the mini electric one myself as I just leave it while setting up. Love the videos and keep up the good work, all the best from North Yorkshire UK.
Thx for showing the Backcountry website and talking about the gear and gearhead helpers/ sales people. This is one reason I like your videos. This one was especially helpful on most type of sleep pads. You are the best.
Thanks for flashing up real measurements up on the screen. Definitely appreciate it.
These videos are so great, Dan. As a new solo hiker, I cannot thank you enough!
I’ve don’t Scouting for 10 years in the Uk, my summer camping gear is awesome, but I’ve barely had any experience with winter camping. So I really enjoy these videos because they help me learn how to but that extra bit warmer during the cold nights. Love your channel !
I also have the nemo Tensor and I love it. The most comfortable sleeping pad I've owned. I originally purchased the regular 25" wide rectangular version of this series pad. Then they updated the pad and made it better, like the current version in your video. So I bought the current updated version in the regular 20"mummy. I found out two things after that. I like the rectangular 25 " wide version better. I like being able to move around a lot and stretch when I'm sleeping and the 25" wide version allows me to do that and on a 3" thick pad!
Based on Dan's and Devin's (Backcountry Exposure) recommendation of the Nemo Tensor line, I picked up a Nemo Tensor Field about a year ago, and i love it. It's made out of tougher (& slightly heavier) material. But I am OK with that, because I'm usually tough on my gear. It is an older model so I got a helluva a good deal from REI.
Pro tip: These things have uses beyond just camping. For instance, if you need to stay with your kid at the children's hospital, the inflatable is great if all you have is the floor. The closed cell pad (I recommend the Nemo version), is also great if you happen to have a fold-out couch in the room. The foam evens out all the weird dips and crevices in those couches and makes a huge difference. Seriously, my wife even remembers to pack it along for overnight stays.
Another use is staying at the in-laws if they don't have a comfortable bed. Maybe send one of these with your kid if they're having a sleep-over. Bring the closed-cell pad along for a picnic, or fire works, or any other time you're sitting on the ground. A sit-pad (off topic, I know) is great to stand on or sit on if you're going to a really cold football game. So many uses!!!
Thank you so much! I purchased two items based on your review the Kelty sleeping bag and the Nemo sleeping pad. Love them both! Thank you so much for all you do!
I just switched from Thermarest NeoAir to Nemo Tensor Insulated based on some of your other videos. Already I like it a lot more! Comfort, ease of inflation, size, noise - it’s a win for me! I understand the appeal of both but for me the Nemo is definitely more comfortable and quieter and I’ll happily carry the extra ounces! Now I’ve just got to offload my xlite somewhere...
Whatever pad one uses if you dig a little depression under where your hips hit the ground your comfort goes way up. Called a hip hole strangely enough.
I have both of the pads pictured in your thumbnail (Uberlite & Tensor) and pick which one to use based on the hike I'm doing. I agree, Nemo Tensor is best-all-around so if I could only have one that would be it.
I'd been brand loyal to Thermarest for about 25-years, but now that I have the Tensor I see lots of advantages. I prefer the valve style and appreciate the pump sack was free. Less crinkle sound and I prefer the feel of the material.
I have the long/wide of each. I use the Uberlite for longer hikes in warmer weather or when my son comes because he likes the Tensor better too. If it is cooler, the distance is reasonable, or I'm hiking with slower folks, I bring the Tensor - it is usually worth the extra ounces.
I love my Nemo Tensor Wide pad! I just used mine for the first time this weekend and slept great! The extra weight of a wide pad is totally worth it.
I think we bought our pads around the same time 🤙, and I too am in love with the wide long. I am 6’4” 220 and have used it now for a dozen nights and will not go back for a side sleeper. Even used my pump sack as a billow for a wet fire with some electrical tape nozzle contraption.
Go wide if you’re broad shouldered, larger or just enjoy more room.
I took my current sleep pad backpacking this weekend and I absolutely need to replace it. R value under a 2 and too narrow for this side sleeper. Thanks to the information you shared in this video I should make a better decision. Enjoy your channel!
Dan, I'm glad I found your YT channel. I am new to the hiking/backpacking community and have watched a ton of videos on gear. I recently went out and camped over night using my old military sleeping bad and a cheap air mattress I purchased (trying to save money). Well I found out real quick that air mattress did not do good at all because I am a side sleeper. My back and hips were killing me plus I didn't get much sleep because I was cold. So, after watching your video/videos I believe the Nemo Tensor Reg/Wide, Rectangle shape is what will be best for me. Thanks
Ended up with the Nemo Tensor based on your reviews (your link made it super easy!). I needed the extra warmth cause I'm in the High Uintas. Great advise as always. Thanks!
Stumbled on this channel by total accident but man was I blown away. K producing great stuff, Dan! Your videos are exactly what I need as a weekend backpacker.
I just love your natural, friendly explanation style.
Just bought the Nemo Tensor last week. Stoked to see your review on it!
THANK YOU for putting the Celcius and gram conversions, on the video! It makes life soooo much easier for us internationals!
we have done 3 trips with the Nemo alpine mountaineering pad and we love it. very good product.
Thanks! I have a pro lite that is ok, but not great as a side sleeper, I’m passing it on to the kids and upgrading. I think you convinced me to go with the Tensor.
Have the same Reg/wide tensor and I agree! It rules them all ... great review!
Got to love that pump sack
Thanks Dan this is on my radar. I really need a wide pad currently I have the Xlite. Take Care
I’ve been running the regular size tensor insulated for a couple years now and really love it. I’m 6’2 210lbs so it’s definitely on the small side but it’s fine. Did ten days with it dipping down to -17c some nights. Works awesome.
Dude! This video came at the PERFECT time for me! Thanks Dan!
Sir. I am a novice, looking to begin camping and hiking and biking around the country ! I have just returned from a trip around the North rim, and I realized I need to educate myself, so thank you!! I am not a kid, so I'm going to get a cot sir ,pads and bags worked, but colder ground....yeah. be safe bud
Great review information, thanks. I like the way your hit the highlights and keep the pace up. Very efficient and informative and useful to the individual user. Thanks!
Light back packing gear translates well into motorcycle camping equally well and I think I will use your idea of doubling up my pad setup. I have the acordian style silver/yellow Thermarest now and will add either the wide Nemo or Nero. Maybe the Alpine model, depends on the deals at Amazon. I would have possibly purchased here but then saw the connection with those law suit happy backcountry group. After the crap they pulled on small business competitors of outdoor sport businesses and others that had the same name -first- got away with it!
I will never buy anything nor spend a penny to support a company that hired lawyers to send cease and desist letters (and sue) other companies using a generic name ( most of them had that generic name in their company profile/ads/tax forms/business licenses) before this backcountry even became a company. The secret deals made between the leadership of the company and the individual owners to carry their products and sell thru this company was an even bigger slap in the face. The guy should have been fired and/or resigned in shame. Great channel, I will subscribe and enjoy your great presentations on gear - but I will not use that company.
Great sleep pad review Dan. I have a Therm-a-rest NeoAir All season Large. Got it for great rest 60% off. Starting to hear up.
Damn I have been deciding between these two pads for so long!!!! Great video as always! Thanks Dan
I just started using the Nemo couple months ago definitely agree most comfortable for wait for three season. One note I would add on the Uber if you’re camping out mid summer in the southeast when it’s super hot the Uber light acts almost like a cooling pad on hot summer nights. I wouldn’t use it much below 50° though. Great video by the way
The regular wide Nemo Tensor is the best piece of camping equipment I ever bought. The pump sack is an additional win especially after a 20 mile hike!
Thanks Dan-I was already thinking about picking up a Tensor, but now you’ve convinced me to finally pull the trigger on a new pad this weekend. I’ve got an older Nemo that I’ve used for the last 4 years, but it is a bit heavy compared to the new Tensor model. I’ve owned multiple Nemo items over the years, and they are all very high quality.
You’re gonna love it! Best pad I’ve ever used!
Love my Neo Air Xtherm. I fold it rather than roll it, and put it up towards my back. Put the inflation bag in with the pad folded up. Really minimizes the space requirement.
Bought Tensor couple months ago. Very happy with it. Would recommend.
I recently bought a Thermarest XTherm and I'm really enjoying it. So far I've been experimenting in my hammock and tent during the summer so I've been using a lightweight quilt with it. Haven't gone into the colder temps with it yet.
I struggled with comfort until I bought the nemo tensor wide based on your recommendation in a previous video. I love it and am glad you still think it’s the top. Thanks man!
Awesome to hear!!!
Yay! Someone else who discusses using foam over an air pad if using double layers, I find it much more comfortable to put the foam on top of the air pad.
I have the Nemo Tensor Long n Wide and really like it for the reasons you stated. I made a pillow slip out of stretch knit fabric that fits over the top end of my mat like a condom. I stuff it up with my clothes to make a more realistic pillow feel. I don't like wobble effect with blow up pillows. Clothes are warm for me in the morning and right at hand.
I opted for the Trangoworld Confort Air from Trekinn. Also at 26 inches wide and a good 3.5 inches thick it is superbly comfortable. And has a built in pump so preventing the moisture and fungus built up when inflating by mouth. At half the price of the equivalent Thermarest but a little heavier at 770gm.
Nice touch with the metric units. Thanks a lot!
I have a thermarest cordura, from 2003. It's still going strong. It's 25" by 80", has about a 4 R value and weighs 1lb 1oz. It has a feature where if more warmth is needed the pad can be flipped to the reflective side, if not, the other side. Almost 20 years later and the pads are heavier, more expensive. Not much reason to upgrade.
Vielen Dank für das machen und zeigen von diesem Video. ❤
Und vielen Dank für die Kommentare. Sie sind sehr hilfreich. Ich werde mir die Nemo kaufen.
I finally made the switch from my Klymit Static V to the Therm-A-Rest NeoAir XLite and I'll most likely never look back. The Klymit pads are great for the price, but the insulation is a concern (I'll admit its my own fault as I didnt even know what R-Value was when I bought them :D). I started winter camping and froze my butt off, so I picked up the Xlite and its awesome. I got one of the newer models with a 4.6 R Value and the pump sack included which is pretty nice, it definitely slow to inflate with it but nice to not have to worry about blowing the pad up after hiking 10 miles. I can definitely say they do make some noise as everyone has pointed out but I don't seem to mind it personally.
Just picked up Nemo Tensor Insulated Seep Pad. Hope it's as good as you say it is. I had a Q-Core one before and it ended up leaking on a seam and wasn't repairable. Thanks for all the work your doing on videos lately Dan.
Thanks for the guidance and reviews!
I settled on the NEMO Tensor wide regular too. i kept rolling off the narrower pads and couldn't stand the noise every time I moved. One thing I do differently, though, is I don't sleep with the NEMO full of air. Once I settle in for sleep, I gradually let some air out until it fits the form of my hips and shoulders. Very comfortable.
The Nemo Alpine is really nice. The other day it was 30 degrees out and I laid my pad on cold concrete and laid on it. It felt like I had a heating pad under me.
I just spent 4 nights in Yosemite and Inyo sleeping on a NEMO Tensor with an R value of 3.5. My sleeping bag was rated down to 16 degrees for the low end of the comfort range. Temps got below freezing each night. I was never cold. The Tensor did get a small hole and slowly lost all air. That said, I like the idea of a closed cell pad as it does not require inflating. With the right sleeping bag/quilt and the right clothes (I only wore underwear and a thin shirt) a sleeping pad should be for comfort and not R value, IMHO. Just some thoughts.....
I just used the regular wide tensor for the first time this week- that pump sack is the bomb! And the pad is very comfortable! Have the uberlite and it is not as comfortable and a lot louder
Taking the Z rest for an extra layer this weekend. Gonna be coooold
For me, I laid on the tensor. It is the most comfortable because it's the flattest on top. The others feel like you're on a pool raft. I didnt need the extra width. I also put a space blanket beneath for extra puncture protection.
Keep it coming man!! Love your videos!!
Thanks for the info - Don't really like air pads but the thermarest may be the one for me - camping in July at night goes down to 5 degree above zero in northern ontario and I can use it in the fall too.
Thanks for a great video😉 I have Exped downmat tt 9 on my wintertrip. The safest inflatable in my opinion. It has six separate tubes, for punk you can replace the broken tube.
I'm using the Klymit Static V because it only takes about 12 breaths to blow up. It's 18oz but im willing to Cary the extra weight over the 20 plus breaths it takes to blow up other pads.
Uninsulated AXL with a 1/8” CCF layer underneath is my current system. The foam does double duty as an extra layer of insulation, as well as a protector from pokey stuff. I sleep warm so I’ve not had issues, and the combo weighs 11oz.
I've been rocking Therm-a-Rest NeoAir Sleeping Pad that is so old it isn't even sold any longer. It has a 2.5 R-Value and weighs 13oz. If I expect to be out in really cold weather, I also bring the Therm-a-Rest Zlite pad to put underneath it. I would prefer a slightly wider pad, but my Therm-a-Rest NeoAir Sleeping Pad has been getting it done, so I'll just keep on keeping on with it.
I like my Nemo Switchback. It’s awesome for a closed cell.
Always enjoy your reviews
Took a Nemo Tensor on my 2019 AT thru hike and loved it all the way. I did have to replace it toward the end but, airpads are known to not make it. Plus it took me 7 months. If I was as quick as most, it would have made it.
Thanks for sharing this review. I am new to this and have seen more of the inflatable versions. Thanks for sharing the R value. The larger blue one is more my style. I just subscribed and followed you on IG.
Thanks Dan. I know this vid is a little old, but I just found it and picked up an xtherm for $160 at backcountry. Heck of a steal imo.
Love your videos Dan! Thank you.
I've been looking at the Xtherm! really hoping to pick one up for next winter... and maybe my thru-hike! Great vid Dan! Love the new set up!
Bcf....try the klymit insulated static v luxe SL. The one I use is 27 in wide and 78" long. Also has a 6.5 r value.
I really love it 😍. I have a non insulated klymit pad and very happy with it too but it's strictly summer 😀
Traky boy I have the Klymit static v insulated but not the luxe SL. How much does it weight? I didn’t know they had a pad with that high of an R-value!
Just bought the Tensor. Super nice pad!!
I have the same Nemo Tensor also and love it. I actually don't even use my pump sack and just blow right into the pad.
Love it that you also do mention grams and Celsius. That is highly appreciated as I am always struggeling with ounces and fahrenheit as we do not use these measurements here. Many greetings from the Netherlands.
The US uses Fahrenheit the few other countries are so small you can’t even find them on a map. Look at tents, everything starts with a flynet and then you at the outertent, try that when it rains in one of the northern states or anywhere outside the US you will not sleep well.
Thank you very much. Excellent video. I was just watching Matti Haapoja video on drones and he said to check out your video. Great information. Thank you for a great video.
I have a
Venture. Even though it’s on the lower price, it is very comfortable. It is non insulated I might add.
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Yes and Amen! I started with a self-inflating military pad, then bought a cheap self inflating one with a built in pillow and then finally wised up and got a Klymit Static V, but as a side sleeper with arthritis, I needed something thicker and wider. The Tensor Regular Wide has been the sweet spot.
I love my Uberlite. I do use it all the way til (4-5 celsius). Great pad for the weight ratio
Thank you for posting! I just returned from a few nights in the Smoky Mountains and discovered that I need a more comfortable sleeping pad. Sub and Like added!
I was actually in the same boat as well.. I backpack the BC Rockies and the ground is hard, or lumpy(or both) and I tried everything including using two pads, with foam tarps and thicker blankets, the only thing that came close was sleeping on two logs and that's hard to find already set up. The solution to my answer was a foldable cot.. My FE Active folding cot was less than $85.00, weighs 4lbs(or small two bottles of water), reduces my pack load by 8lbs and can see a massive change vs sleeping on the hard cold ground.. There are others cots that weigh half that weight, but triple the price and not as large.. Hopefully, some of this can help you..
I use the sea to summit ether light xt and it's super comfortable!
I also like how rectangular the pad is. I really like the Nemo.
Hey love your channel, can you make a video about shoes. What kind you use and recommend.
Make more videos, you are great!
CJ from Sweden
such an honest review, new subscriber here
Hey Dan, great job on all your vids. Very informative. I'm looking for a 25inch wide pad. I'm 5'11", occasional side sleeper and I can't stand it when my arms fall off the side. I'm looking at the Nemo Tensor regular wide, and the Sea to Summit Ether light XT, and the Thermarest Neoair x light regular wide. Thoughts? Have you checked out the Etherlight Xt? looks pretty sweet. Thanks so much for your help!
after i researched pads i didnt buy either of these i bought an exped instead. im so glad i did i love mine.
My sleep system is thermarest neo air xlite with Sierra designs Backcountry bed. Best ever! So happy and sleep like a baby out in the Sierra.
Thanks for the reviews and the website
Great video !
Honestly gave thumbs up for the metric annotations alone :D
Awesome! Thanks Dan!
Good info on sleep pads.
Hey, thanks for the video! Just curious: any reason Sea to Summit didn't make it to the list?
Great video dan keep it up.
Super review , greetings from Ireland 🇮🇪
Great, very useful video. Thank you.
Excellent video...love Backcountry great company. Thermarest my go to.
Nicely explained...... Especially r value concept
I like klymit design because it holds you in place. Those flat rectangle ones i always roll off
The point of the pump sack is to prevent mold in the sleeping pad, which results from the moisture from your breath.
I got a Nemo Cosmo 1.5 years ago and wow! Incredibly impressed with how durable, comfy, and easy it was to inflate. Worth the money if you don't care for being ultralight. The foot pump is the best thing I've done for my gear list. Happy camping!
I have one too! Love the foot pump (just use my hands). Best sleeping pad I've ever had, though a bit noisy. It weighs 2.5 lbs. so I've been thinking of getting something under 2 lbs. I just got my tent to 3 lbs. and my sleeping bag to 1 lb. 11 oz. I would go for this Nemo Tensor insulated, but I don't know if I can justify dropping $200 when I have such a great pad. It has lasted me around 5 seasons!
@@adaumus Wow that's awesome to hear the cosmo has lasted you so long! It really is a great pad and I hear you lol. If you're able to sell it and get a bit of $$ for it, that could probably make the new pad a bit more attractive! But hard to sell something you love so much too lol
SleepyWolvy good idea!!
thanks for including metric!
omg did you really just subtitle-translate fahrenheit to a system that actually has means something to viewers from any country in the world except 1? subscribed!!
Yep. Sure did. All for you buddy!! 😂👍🏼