Vegas DOESN'T WANT the A's. They want an expansion team ... NOT A PROBLEMATIC re-located team. Too many OTHER CITIES want the A's. They should take note.
The A's moving to Vegas has turned out to be an absolute mess. This should be a lesson to any owner on what not to do when moving a team to another city.
And the crazy thing is, they were $80 million apart from a deal in Oakland in 2023 and then Fisher pulled out because the stadium wasn’t gonna be ready until 2028 and now he’s over $300 million short with a stadium that still not gonna be ready until 2028. What a joke.
Given that this claim was put out by Mayor Sheng Thao, who just had her home raided by federal law enforcement, I think it appropriate to regard said claim with a certain level of... skepticism.
@@FlorioDerio-yy1yp And is John Fisher’s reputation any better? I might agree with you if he’d quickly done the deal with Vegas and had all his sh*t together but this entire move has been a fiasco from the start so I’d say his credibility is far lower than hers. And since when did anyone trust the federal government? Up until a few days ago we had a convicted felon and a dementia ridden old man running for our highest federal office but of course that’s a whole different story.
The city of Oakland is just as much to blame as Fisher. Both sides are incompetent. The city was always slow-walking the process, there were lawsuits against every A's proposal, and the current mayor thought that insulting A's ownership would someone convince the A's to stay.
Baseball is a billion dollar industry. If they want a franchise in Vegas, Sacramento, wherever - they should finance it, not taxpayers. If not, just shut the team down...
The city of Oakland has become dysfunctional and dystopian and I don't blame the A's for moving, just like the Warriors and Raiders did. San Jose makes a lot of sense, although Sacramento would be fine, too. It is pretty sleazy of the Giants not to allow the A's to move to San Jose, given the A's gave up territorial rights to San Jose years ago to keep the Giants from moving to Florida. I guess no good deed goes unpunished.
I'm not against taxpayers dollars going into an arena. I read so many of peoples comments like yours saying taxpaying dollars shouldn't be going into building new arenas. Teams employ people and they generate a lot of money for their cities. You ever heard the saying 'it takes money to make money"? Cities and governments already waste your tax dollars on everything else so what difference does it make going into a project like this one.
The A's will be in Sacramento for 10 years before they go back to Oakland. Then 20 years after that, they'll move to Vegas. So, expect the Vegas stadium to be ready by 2054.
In 10 yrs the Oakland Colosseum will be torn down. Where would the A's play in Oakland? Oakland is dead as a MLB city. Business is fleeing Oakland the flatlands are dying . The Mayor's office is amess. It's a City with very little direction, like rudderless ship.
@@VidaBlue317 I'm in Vancouver and there are serious rumblings the Diamondbacks are relocating here after this season. They too are having issues in Arizona with their stadium situation.
The A’s will staying in Sacramento permanently. Vivek Ranadive and Arctos Sports will purchase majority interest in the Athletics. A future stadium will be built in the Sacramento Railyards ( one of largest urban infill projects in the US). The infrastructure is already there for a stadium, and the Railyards was already slated to have a stadium there with easy access to multiple nodes of transportation.
Unfortunately, it will only mean that Sacramento has yet another minor league MLB team. Anyone that builds these clowns a stadium should be questioned. New ownership is the single only chance to save the A's. As long as Fisher is involved(with any sports team), they will fail. Who buys a sports team and doesn't care if they win? Fisher, that's who.
@@sirswerdna Agreed Fisher is a problem, but that doesn’t absolve Alameda County and the City of Oakland, as to my the A’s are leaving. The City of Oakland is totally mismanaged, incompetent, and corrupt. If they can’t even keep In and Out, they don’t deserve a major league team.
It was NEVER Oakland... Cheap Fisher couldn't fund Oakland either. Manfred's con to get Fisher funding with "Smoke and Mirrors". Manfred is worst thing to happen to Baseball.
Candidly, the Athletics have had attendance issues in Oakland going back to the 1970s. During Year Three of their Threepeat, they ranked in the bottom third of the League in terms of attendance. But whenever this fact is mentioned, all I hear is, "Why do you hate the Bay Area so much?!" 🙄
@@FlorioDerio-yy1yp BS!!! There is a direct parallel with attendance and when John Fisher took over the team...he NEVER paid homegrown talent, always traded away the best A's talent. You can't expect fans to pay their hard working dollars for an inferior product that the owner signed off on! A's routinely drew multi-million fans per season during the Haas era and during the Billy Bean, Giambi, Tejada, Mulder, Hudson, Zito years....the difference was the A's were in it to win it with competitive ownership! Lew Wolffe & John Fisher were hot garbage owners who only got the team with an under-bid because Wolffe and Selig were fraternity brothers in college. Total f#cking joke!!!
@@FlorioDerio-yy1yp I LIVED thru all that... they drew 1mil in 1971, 72 barely, 73,74. No. There was discourse how Charlie O treated Players, Fans. When Hass Ownership group owned Team, (1980~1997), They treated Fans right. Yes 2 dollar Tues, etc. helped. But they promoted Team Exceptionally well. Charlie O turned my...!!! But Hass' Ownership showcased the potential Oakland MLB market. Fisher needs Hass MBA rescinded as to how he has handled A's and Oakland. So very Un HASS like...
It should be made illegal for any public funding of some god damn stadium or arena with PUBLIC MONEY, until adequate LOW COST HOUSING is constructed throughout the country. Here we have homelessness crisis of gigantic portions yet still building stadiums for BILLIONAIRES.
Ah excuse me. Teams employ people both full time and part time jobs. And they generate a lot of revenue for their cities in parking $$$, tourists coming in to stay at hotels, people dining out in restaurants, etc.
Let's get real here. The MLB should have forced Fisher to sell the team since this whole thing has become a nightmare. He doesn't have the money, and moving the team to Sacramento spells disaster for obvious reasons. The people who keep shouting that he should pay for the stadium don't understand that cities or even states will bend backward to get a major sporting franchise and Las Vegas has become an attractive spot for said leagues. Oakland lost all four of their sports franchises, and by the looks of it, the mayor who has seen these loses will face some criminal charges for illegal activities.
Public tax dollars for these billionaire's businesses is wrong. That's why I'm glad the A's are leaving California. The state of CA and Oakland were going to spend almost $1 Billion of taxpayer money for infrastructure alone to keep them here.
Ah excuse me. You and all the others commenting about public taxpaying dollars. Teams employ people both full time and part time. Ever heard the saying it takes money to make money? Okay now your A's left and now Oakland has no teams. Cities and governments already waste your taxpaying dollars on everything else. US government has sent $115 billion to the Ukraine!!! SMH!
@@anthonys3631 First of all, I'm not an A's fan. Second, it's not the government or taxpayer's responsibility to subsidize businesses so they can pay employees. Lastly, I, like most Americans, are against giving other countries resources for war.
@@anthonys3631 Tax money for a new stadium that will last 25 years. And even that wouldn't be so bad if ticket prices were affordable for working class people.
The reality is the people in Vegas don’t want the aces, and whoever decided to put that stadium right there had no idea how bad of a spot that is it’s one of the main roads to the airport I’ve been stuck on that road for 2 hours before and now they want to put a ballpark there. their best bet would to be about 15 miles away from the strip and buuld like a campus so locals actually support it
You live in Vegas and you think the locals are a consideration for ANYTHING? I lived in Summerlin and they don't even care about the locals there. The A's are not there for Las Vegans 😂 They will exist solely for the tourists and sports gamblers.
Don't be shocked if SLC comes into play. They already have the land for an MLB stadium set aside, and the state has 900 million ready to give an MLB owner to build a park. They are moving very quickly in the background, similar to how they did with the NHL.
@777macdude yes they can. The population is set to double in the SLC area over the next 20-30 years. Utah has had the fastest growing economy in the US for the last 2+ years. They could easily support an MLB and NFL franchise.
@777macdude because they are poor cities filled with people who don't have disposable incomes. Also, a winter sport like the NHL not working in low income cities that never see winter? Tickle me shocked! Shocked, I say!
I live in Seattle and I can tell you this much. I don’t want an NBA team here because NBA attracts the wrong people. We are good with what we have the Seahawks Mariners sounders and the Kraken we don’t need an NBA team Sacramento can keep their kings and Oklahoma City can keep the thunder, they were better off there anyway
The best thing that ever happened to the sonics was that they moved to Oklahoma City and became the thunder there now of much better team than they ever was as the sonics and Seattle is not a basketball city
Go to Sacramento and/or Reno for a few years and build a new open air ballpark in Oakland. There is no need for a dome or retractable roof there so it will be cheaper anyway. At least in cost of the actual stadium.
It’s $380 million that’s already been approved. $300 million in borrowed money. They will sell the naming rights for $500 million. In reality, John Fisher will have to come up with very little money. He’s worth $2 billion and each of his two brothers are worth $2 billion. There is plenty of money to get this stadium done.
I am back in Southern California now but I lived in the Sacramento area for about four years in the 1980s. I’ve never actually been to Cellular at health Park but I hear it is really nice. For a minor-league stadium. It sounds great. But if you are going to have major league baseball in Sacramento without an indoor stadium, or at least a retractable roof and air-conditioning, it frankly isn’t to work. I think Sacramento would be a great place to have the Athletics move to. But, link in the same mindset of the Diamondbacks in Phoenix. You have got to have an indoor Stadium with the air-conditioning.
That $86 million number was put out by a mayor who's currently being investigated by the Feds for all manner of shenanigans. I wouldn't put too much stock into that.
We Las Vegas locals are not going to go to the Strip to see a mediocre baseball team. We hate going to the Strip now and go only when dragged there by friends out of town. There will not be enough summertime tourists to Las Vegas, especially Sunday through Thursday, to fill a baseball stadium given the almost-certain indifference of the local population. If this manages to happen, it will be the biggest baseball disaster since the MLB-owned Expos could draw only a handful people per game in the final couple of years of Montreal major league baseball.
Agreed! I mean, what local worth his salt wants to go down there?! P.S. Pay no attention to the sparkling attendance numbers of the Vegas Golden Knights.
The problem is that the owners tanked the team and created the narrative that there’s no support for the Athletics. It’s bs. If the A’s had new owners we could get a better team and a new stadium. The new stadium should be in Jack London Square. Support would comeback under new ownership.
Don't get sucked up into this. Vital Vegas is the guy driving a lot of this and he's does not know jack. Steve Hill says MLB has already certified Fisher will cover it if he does not get investors coming in. Which probably happens anyway. One year in is not too long in the process. People are just clinging onto anything they can. The thing that could have been an issue but probably not is already out of the way. Ref will not be on ballot.
Indeed. That "report" from Clutch Points that D.G. cited is just a copy-and-paste job from Vital Vegas, who's been getting paid by Boyd Gaming to talk sh!t about this whole matter for awhile now. Heck, it wouldn't surprise me if VV was also getting money, either directly or indirectly, from the S.I.O. crew.
We the people the actually live and work in Las Vegas never wanted the As in Las Vegas. We were never asked the greedy politicians just did it. Hear me loud and clear. We don’t want the Oakland As in Las Vegas. Putting a baseball stadium on the corner of Las Vegas Blvd and Tropicana is dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. That location is not big enough for a baseball stadium. The congestion and traffic will be astronomical
@@FlorioDerio-yy1yp I’m born and raised in Las Vegas and I’m 52 years old. I drive past Tropicana and Las Vegas Blvd every day. I’ve been working in the Las Vegas gaming industry for 40 years. I started in the spring of 1984. I also attended and graduated from UNLV. That corner of Las Vegas Blvd and Tropicana is the dumbest idea for a baseball stadium. If you’ve ever walked around that location you would know there apartments buildings , condos and other Hotels like right on top of the Tropicana Hotel and Casino used to be . How the hell are you going to fit a MLB stadium in that location. Plus it’s a huge Catholic Church directly across the street on Reno . The stadium is not going to work..
The A's should be folded and MLB bring 3 expansion teams in Las Vegas, San Antonio, and Nashville (they should be called "Tennessee" so Memphis ppl can like them too)
I can see Vivek Ranadive is doing the cabbage patch right about now; his opportunity to obtain an MLB team for a much smaller price. Ryan Smith & Utah are definitely going to have plans be made for them to have the A’s since he likely can convince the city & MLB that they’ll have a stadium ready by 2028 at the latest. MLB by then would HAVE to force John Fisher to sell since he is getting in the way of MLB’s real future plans.
The City of Oakland a bit of a crime-ridden mess. But then so are several American cities with MLB teams. Best thing for them, now they will be in Sacramento for a couple of years, is to tear down the Oakland Coliseum and build a new one on same site. Continuity, retain your fan base and since the infrastructure is already there, a new park would cost substantially less than on a new site particularly in California with all its environmentalist red tape, etc. Of course, for this to happen, the team would have to be sold and soon.
There is a baseball-specific artificial turf that is designed to be as cool as grass in hot weather. It uses an organic cork and coconut husk blend that requires much less water than grass, and has been installed at the Texas Rangers’ new stadium. I’m guessing it will go in at the A’s temporary ballpark.
Feel for the A's. Oakland weather is absolutely perfect. The coastal winds feel so good. Sacramento is an oven. Las Vegas is an oven. I couldn't take sitting out there for a game.
Evenings in Sacramento are usually quite nice with the Delta Breeze. But La Niña years like we’re currently experiencing bring brutal Summers. Still Sacramento isn’t building an air conditioned stadium for any baseball team. We don’t have an air conditioned stadium for the USL or Triple A. We deal with it with a cold drink and a hat. As far as Oakland getting the A’s back? Extremely unlikely. It just hasn’t proven itself as a viable host to the NFL, NBA or MLB. A lot of Oaklands fan base came from outside the Eat Bay.
It's guaranteed to work. All that MLB is giving them, land donated and destroying the casino, it is going to work. Without fail. Like you said, they have time.
It shouldn't be so hard for Blackrock to loan money to Fisher. The tribe is supposed to support itself, not get offended because guy moves his team further away from Blackrock island out on the West coast.
That’s crazy to think of but then again not everything used to be so focused on the bells and whistles like it is now. Even Gillette Stadium that was built in 2000 (opened in 2002) had cost $325 million which in today’s world in 2024 that’s quite a bargain.
Maybe your algorithm prevents longer posts, but will just say this article is totally different from what you are reading. Difference is this article by stadium professionals: "A’s Vegas ballpark funding plans set out" article written by Coliseum, a Global Sports Venue Alliance.
D.G. isn't interested in reporting honestly on this situation. Instead, he's interested in keeping the terminally online S.I.O. crowd engaged; and he knows that hopium sells to that audience. If he wanted to report honestly on this matter, he could crib from the reporting of Mick Akers at the LVRJ. You and I both know that by 2030, the Athletics will be playing on the corner of Tropicana Avenue and Las Vegas Boulevard, and practically everyone -- including D.G. -- will have moved on and be acting like no one ever questioned such an outcome. 🙄
@@FlorioDerio-yy1yp Agree on all points. Akers reports the facts without the spin of the Bay Area media, and they hate him for it. But this article says the same: "A’s Vegas ballpark funding plans set out" article written by Coliseum, a Global Sports Venue Alliance. They are a professional organization and cannot be accused of any bias.
Not much of an update. Have you reached out to Mick Akers or Zennie Abraham? There will be a Tax Increment Financing district. It's essentially the same plan as Allegiant.
I'm wondering what Arte Moreno is going to do with the Angels. He complains about the lack of a fan base but a lot of the local baseball fans don't care because he doesn't seem to want to develop the team into a contender. One deal he had with the City of Anaheim fell through when the FBI got involved and it ended up with Anaheim's mayor convicted of political bribery & corruption.
They've been looking for an investor for two months now and no one has expressed interest. Sandy Dean owner John Fisher's business partner says the A's are "in good shape" but the A's have not come forth with their share of the construction costs at $500 million. The whole deal could collapse. On the face of it the Sacramento idea could fall apart as well with the turf and minor league facility. They need to finish up at the Oakland Coliseum. They really belong in Oakland to tell the truth. What a waste.
The more this goes on the more I think the A's are going to end up in Sacramento and Vegas is going to get an expansion team. As a matter of fact what Sacramento did bothers me way more than Vegas. Vegas was just trying to get a team, Sacramento stepped in and saved John Fisher when Oakland had their last bit of leverage and offered him a minor league park rent free. Considering that they almost lost the Kings a decade ago and were saved at the 11th hour they should've known what Oakland was going through trying desperately to save their team but I guess money wins over morality again. Sacramento really did Oakland dirty. Even some of the Sacramento media said so.
It’s possible if the Vegas deal is dragged out and nothing gets done in the next year MLB could force a sale. They don’t want to deal with a situation similar to Arizona Coyotes in the NHL playing in a place not suited for them.
Listening to the S.I.O. crowd kvetch about team relocations is pretty rich. I seem to recall that the A's played in two cities prior to Oakland. Moreover, the team was total roadkill in K.C., but the attendance was pretty good regardless. By contrast, in Oakland, the team has had attendance issues going back to the '70s.
Reality - The document says "Fisher Family" (worth about $8B) not "John Fisher" (who, by the way, just got $500M richer thanks to a good quarter at GAP). Getting a minority owner is just a "nice to have". The only missing piece is they'd prefer a $300M loan instead of using an extra $300M of family equity. This is a non-story they are still on target to start construction in April (but that isn't a sexy headline)
The A's are never moving to Las Vegas. Can't believe so many people actually believe that an ownership group that couldn't make it in Oakland and won't spend money to have a solid team is ever going to actually move to Vegas in a new stadium. WAKE UP!
@@FlorioDerio-yy1yp OK well tell them or one of these greedy casino companies if they want to build another casino resort they have to finance the stadium.
MLB will take over running the Athletics before all is said and done until they find another owner that will end up keeping the franchise in Oakland at the Howard Terminal site. The mayors in Vegas have said that they prefer an expansion franchise and not the A’s. While the mayor of Oakland is open to the A’s staying in Oakland as long as the team is under new ownership.
The Las Vegas Mayor told them to stay in Oakland!🤣🤣🤣
good thing the stadium will be in unicorporated clark county then huh?
Agreed.
1. I’m originally from Las Vegas.
2. Las Vegas is NOT a baseball town.
@@kevintheomanharris stick to watching the Padres, bro
@@9mmtrilla No.
Vegas DOESN'T WANT the A's. They want an expansion team ... NOT A PROBLEMATIC re-located team. Too many OTHER CITIES want the A's. They should take note.
Coyotes were forced to sell. Same thing should be done with the A’s
The A's moving to Vegas has turned out to be an absolute mess. This should be a lesson to any owner on what not to do when moving a team to another city.
It's only a mess for A's fans like me. Long-term this is good for Major League Baseball
its the Coyotes all over again they don't have the money to get the Shovels in the ground and the team may end up in Utah too lol
Agreed.
1. I’m originally from Las Vegas.
2. Las Vegas is NOT a baseball town.
@@nellosnook4454ridiculous,plenty of people said that hockey wouldn’t make it in the desert
Plenty of MLB teams have attendance issues
I'm shocked. Shocked! Well, not that shocked.
The economics are not there to spend this amount of money.
Vegas has a tax on hotels. Tourists are gonna pay for it.🎉
Agreed.
1. I’m originally from Las Vegas.
2. Las Vegas is NOT a baseball town.
@@SpaceCityProjectzthe city needs the tax money they aren't going to prop up a failing franchise
And the crazy thing is, they were $80 million apart from a deal in Oakland in 2023 and then Fisher pulled out because the stadium wasn’t gonna be ready until 2028 and now he’s over $300 million short with a stadium that still not gonna be ready until 2028. What a joke.
Given that this claim was put out by Mayor Sheng Thao, who just had her home raided by federal law enforcement, I think it appropriate to regard said claim with a certain level of... skepticism.
@@FlorioDerio-yy1yp And is John Fisher’s reputation any better? I might agree with you if he’d quickly done the deal with Vegas and had all his sh*t together but this entire move has been a fiasco from the start so I’d say his credibility is far lower than hers. And since when did anyone trust the federal government? Up until a few days ago we had a convicted felon and a dementia ridden old man running for our highest federal office but of course that’s a whole different story.
Got the facts wrong. Fisher and Oakland were NEVER close to a deal.
The city of Oakland is just as much to blame as Fisher. Both sides are incompetent. The city was always slow-walking the process, there were lawsuits against every A's proposal, and the current mayor thought that insulting A's ownership would someone convince the A's to stay.
Baseball is a billion dollar industry. If they want a franchise in Vegas, Sacramento, wherever - they should finance it, not taxpayers. If not, just shut the team down...
Close to $12B a year in revenue
That’s not how it works. City builds a stadium to attract a baseball team whether expansion or existing team. It’s always been that way.
@@Bk6346 And that has to change... but it won't!
It takes money to make money. Teams put people to work, etc.
We will pass here in Sacramento. We’re not building any MLB team a new stadium to say nothing of a domed ballpark.
They'll never see LV. If they don't stay in Sacto, they'll move to SLC.
Agreed.
1. I’m originally from Las Vegas.
2. Las Vegas is NOT a baseball town.
SLC will be spending boat loads for the Olympics. Probably not enough for a baseball stadium too!
San Jose would have definitely been the best move 10+ years ago. Fuck the giants
San Jose has surpassed oakland in almost every way . No disrespect intended.
San Jose deserves there own mlb team
The city of Oakland has become dysfunctional and dystopian and I don't blame the A's for moving, just like the Warriors and Raiders did. San Jose makes a lot of sense, although Sacramento would be fine, too. It is pretty sleazy of the Giants not to allow the A's to move to San Jose, given the A's gave up territorial rights to San Jose years ago to keep the Giants from moving to Florida. I guess no good deed goes unpunished.
@@frv1995 san jose has surpassed san francisco
I can’t believe there isn’t any kind of an uproar in San Jose about the Giants fucking the city out of having the A’s move there.
@@doylelonigan9295 because they see what the 49ers did to Santa Clara.
None of that money should be coming from public funding/taxpayers.
Yup.... The A;s and MLB want Vegas more than Vegas wants them.
@@malcorubfacts! Vegas locals do not want the A’s, they want an expansion
I'm not against taxpayers dollars going into an arena. I read so many of peoples comments like yours saying taxpaying dollars shouldn't be going into building new arenas. Teams employ people and they generate a lot of money for their cities. You ever heard the saying 'it takes money to make money"? Cities and governments already waste your tax dollars on everything else so what difference does it make going into a project like this one.
Kinda of agree with this f1 did that with the pit building
Exactly
Fisher is completely incompetent. They’ll probably never leave Sacramento until he sells the team.
I hear that the Sacramento Kings owner may be willing to buy the team and build a downtown ballpark.
sell the team fisher
The A's will be in Sacramento for 10 years before they go back to Oakland. Then 20 years after that, they'll move to Vegas. So, expect the Vegas stadium to be ready by 2054.
They’re never going back to Oakland
In 20-30 years, both Portland and Vancouver BC will be viable options - if they're not already.
@@SirManflyAs long as John Fisher is the owner I totally agree.
In 10 yrs the Oakland Colosseum will be torn down. Where would the A's play in Oakland? Oakland is dead as a MLB city. Business is fleeing Oakland the flatlands are dying . The Mayor's office is amess. It's a City with very little direction, like rudderless ship.
@@VidaBlue317 I'm in Vancouver and there are serious rumblings the Diamondbacks are relocating here after this season. They too are having issues in Arizona with their stadium situation.
And the scam continues...
The A’s will staying in Sacramento permanently. Vivek Ranadive and Arctos Sports will purchase majority interest in the Athletics. A future stadium will be built in the Sacramento Railyards ( one of largest urban infill projects in the US).
The infrastructure is already there for a stadium, and the Railyards was already slated to have a stadium there with easy access to multiple nodes of transportation.
Unfortunately, it will only mean that Sacramento has yet another minor league MLB team. Anyone that builds these clowns a stadium should be questioned. New ownership is the single only chance to save the A's. As long as Fisher is involved(with any sports team), they will fail. Who buys a sports team and doesn't care if they win? Fisher, that's who.
@@sirswerdna Fisher wouldn’t own the sports team, Vivek Ranadive would own majority interest.
@@ivandragomiloff2356 Well if that happens, hopefully they will invest in the team. Less Fisher is better for sports.
@@sirswerdna Agreed Fisher is a problem, but that doesn’t absolve Alameda County and the City of Oakland, as to my the A’s are leaving. The City of Oakland is totally mismanaged, incompetent, and corrupt. If they can’t even keep In and Out, they don’t deserve a major league team.
Hopefully!! We can take that money and expand sutter health
I don't think the deal will go through.
All stadium projects should be done how the intuit dome was smoothly and privately you see how fast it was built
ideally yes but there aren’t any other Steve Balmers walking around looking to build privately. financed stadiums / arenas.
It was NEVER Oakland... Cheap Fisher couldn't fund Oakland either. Manfred's con to get Fisher funding with "Smoke and Mirrors". Manfred is worst thing to happen to Baseball.
I never thought there could be a worse MLB commissioner after Bud Selig....but, here we are....Manfred is horrible...
Candidly, the Athletics have had attendance issues in Oakland going back to the 1970s. During Year Three of their Threepeat, they ranked in the bottom third of the League in terms of attendance. But whenever this fact is mentioned, all I hear is, "Why do you hate the Bay Area so much?!" 🙄
@@FlorioDerio-yy1yp BS!!! There is a direct parallel with attendance and when John Fisher took over the team...he NEVER paid homegrown talent, always traded away the best A's talent. You can't expect fans to pay their hard working dollars for an inferior product that the owner signed off on! A's routinely drew multi-million fans per season during the Haas era and during the Billy Bean, Giambi, Tejada, Mulder, Hudson, Zito years....the difference was the A's were in it to win it with competitive ownership! Lew Wolffe & John Fisher were hot garbage owners who only got the team with an under-bid because Wolffe and Selig were fraternity brothers in college. Total f#cking joke!!!
@@FlorioDerio-yy1yp I LIVED thru all that... they drew 1mil in 1971, 72 barely, 73,74. No. There was discourse how Charlie O treated Players, Fans. When Hass Ownership group owned Team, (1980~1997), They treated Fans right. Yes 2 dollar Tues, etc. helped. But they promoted Team Exceptionally well. Charlie O turned my...!!! But Hass' Ownership showcased the potential Oakland MLB market. Fisher needs Hass MBA rescinded as to how he has handled A's and Oakland. So very Un HASS like...
Manfried is a God!
It should be made illegal for any public funding of some god damn stadium or arena with PUBLIC MONEY, until adequate LOW COST HOUSING is constructed throughout the country. Here we have homelessness crisis of gigantic portions yet still building stadiums for BILLIONAIRES.
Especially with these Jewish owners like Fisher
Ah excuse me. Teams employ people both full time and part time jobs. And they generate a lot of revenue for their cities in parking $$$, tourists coming in to stay at hotels, people dining out in restaurants, etc.
It only depends on resident’s will of there.
I have a feeling the A's are going to stay in Sacramento...
Let's get real here. The MLB should have forced Fisher to sell the team since this whole thing has become a nightmare. He doesn't have the money, and moving the team to Sacramento spells disaster for obvious reasons.
The people who keep shouting that he should pay for the stadium don't understand that cities or even states will bend backward to get a major sporting franchise and Las Vegas has become an attractive spot for said leagues. Oakland lost all four of their sports franchises, and by the looks of it, the mayor who has seen these loses will face some criminal charges for illegal activities.
MLB will not allow a team to sell for a loss. It's bad for the league
Public tax dollars for these billionaire's businesses is wrong.
That's why I'm glad the A's are leaving California.
The state of CA and Oakland were going to spend almost $1 Billion of taxpayer money for infrastructure alone to keep them here.
Ah excuse me. You and all the others commenting about public taxpaying dollars. Teams employ people both full time and part time. Ever heard the saying it takes money to make money? Okay now your A's left and now Oakland has no teams. Cities and governments already waste your taxpaying dollars on everything else. US government has sent $115 billion to the Ukraine!!! SMH!
@@anthonys3631 First of all, I'm not an A's fan.
Second, it's not the government or taxpayer's responsibility to subsidize businesses so they can pay employees.
Lastly, I, like most Americans, are against giving other countries resources for war.
For a new stadium that will only last 25 years. Be different if it lasted at least 50 years or so.
@@anthonys3631 Tax money for a new stadium that will last 25 years. And even that wouldn't be so bad if ticket prices were affordable for working class people.
I’d rather pay to keep the A’s here than to pay for homeless to be here🤷♂️
The reality is the people in Vegas don’t want the aces, and whoever decided to put that stadium right there had no idea how bad of a spot that is it’s one of the main roads to the airport I’ve been stuck on that road for 2 hours before and now they want to put a ballpark there. their best bet would to be about 15 miles away from the strip and buuld like a campus so locals actually support it
You live in Vegas and you think the locals are a consideration for ANYTHING? I lived in Summerlin and they don't even care about the locals there. The A's are not there for Las Vegans 😂 They will exist solely for the tourists and sports gamblers.
Utah’s ready to go.
Good I hope they move to Utah and stay the hell out of Vegas.
Don't be shocked if SLC comes into play. They already have the land for an MLB stadium set aside, and the state has 900 million ready to give an MLB owner to build a park. They are moving very quickly in the background, similar to how they did with the NHL.
SLC can't support 3 pro leagues. NBA AND NHL is enough for that city.
@777macdude yes they can. The population is set to double in the SLC area over the next 20-30 years. Utah has had the fastest growing economy in the US for the last 2+ years. They could easily support an MLB and NFL franchise.
@@tommyjames2448 Phoenix, Atlanta, Houston couldn't support 3 major sports leagues with more population than SLC so how will they???🤔
@777macdude because they are poor cities filled with people who don't have disposable incomes. Also, a winter sport like the NHL not working in low income cities that never see winter? Tickle me shocked! Shocked, I say!
@tommyjames2448 still ain't happening though. Phoenix ain't poor, SLC is just "suckers" to owners who don't wanna pay full price new stadiums
From Philadelphia, Kansas City, and Oakland. Since the death of Benjamin Shibe, the A's have had a long history of economic troubles.
The owners need to be forced to sell. This is ridiculous.
We told you! Those of is in the Bay knew and everyone told us we were crazy. They’re not moving Las Vegas!
Why the Seattle Sonics are not back in the NBA is criminal.
I live in Seattle and I can tell you this much. I don’t want an NBA team here because NBA attracts the wrong people. We are good with what we have the Seahawks Mariners sounders and the Kraken we don’t need an NBA team Sacramento can keep their kings and Oklahoma City can keep the thunder, they were better off there anyway
The best thing that ever happened to the sonics was that they moved to Oklahoma City and became the thunder there now of much better team than they ever was as the sonics and Seattle is not a basketball city
107 here today in Sacramento
Don’t worry; climate change will make it waaaaayyyy cooler soon!!! Plus they can start the games at 10:05 PM. 😉
Go to Sacramento and/or Reno for a few years and build a new open air ballpark in Oakland. There is no need for a dome or retractable roof there so it will be cheaper anyway. At least in cost of the actual stadium.
It’s $380 million that’s already been approved. $300 million in borrowed money. They will sell the naming rights for $500 million. In reality, John Fisher will have to come up with very little money. He’s worth $2 billion and each of his two brothers are worth $2 billion. There is plenty of money to get this stadium done.
I am back in Southern California now but I lived in the Sacramento area for about four years in the 1980s. I’ve never actually been to Cellular at health Park but I hear it is really nice. For a minor-league stadium. It sounds great. But if you are going to have major league baseball in Sacramento without an indoor stadium, or at least a retractable roof and air-conditioning, it frankly isn’t to work. I think Sacramento would be a great place to have the Athletics move to. But, link in the same mindset of the Diamondbacks in Phoenix. You have got to have an indoor Stadium with the air-conditioning.
And to think.... All Fisher had to pay was $86 Million, and construction could've been going on as we speak at Howard Terminal by now.
It's almost as if money is totally irrelevant, and they just want out of that horrible city.
@@saulspeaks2557 no, it's more like, a leverage move blew up in his face, that's why he's scrambling for everything in Vegas.
That $86 million number was put out by a mayor who's currently being investigated by the Feds for all manner of shenanigans. I wouldn't put too much stock into that.
@@FlorioDerio-yy1yp the fuck that has to do with the stadium negotiations?
We Las Vegas locals are not going to go to the Strip to see a mediocre baseball team. We hate going to the Strip now and go only when dragged there by friends out of town. There will not be enough summertime tourists to Las Vegas, especially Sunday through Thursday, to fill a baseball stadium given the almost-certain indifference of the local population. If this manages to happen, it will be the biggest baseball disaster since the MLB-owned Expos could draw only a handful people per game in the final couple of years of Montreal major league baseball.
Agreed! I mean, what local worth his salt wants to go down there?!
P.S. Pay no attention to the sparkling attendance numbers of the Vegas Golden Knights.
The problem is that the owners tanked the team and created the narrative that there’s no support for the Athletics. It’s bs. If the A’s had new owners we could get a better team and a new stadium. The new stadium should be in Jack London Square. Support would comeback under new ownership.
Should have gone with Howard terminal or relocated to SLC 🤷🏽♂️
Long live the Aviators!
DG, it's "Sutter" and not "Shutter." It's significant because the discovery of gold at Sutter's Mill started the gold rush in California in 1849.
Sutter after "Sutter Health Park" as in Sutter Health Care which is big in the area.
Shutter’s Mill. Alternate facts ?
sacramento is a good market for them. just build a dome there. the first option should be the Oakland metro area however.
5:11 that’s ok for the Sacramento stadium to only fit 10K cuz the A’s only have that many fans show up when the Yankees play
Don't get sucked up into this. Vital Vegas is the guy driving a lot of this and he's does not know jack. Steve Hill says MLB has already certified Fisher will cover it if he does not get investors coming in. Which probably happens anyway. One year in is not too long in the process. People are just clinging onto anything they can. The thing that could have been an issue but probably not is already out of the way. Ref will not be on ballot.
Indeed. That "report" from Clutch Points that D.G. cited is just a copy-and-paste job from Vital Vegas, who's been getting paid by Boyd Gaming to talk sh!t about this whole matter for awhile now. Heck, it wouldn't surprise me if VV was also getting money, either directly or indirectly, from the S.I.O. crew.
Never own a team if you're not going to money into your players and stadium.
No turmoil,no shocking update
Oh, c'mon now! How is D.G. supposed to feed the algorithm and the credulous S.I.O. crowd without putting out videos like this? 😆
News alert-Oakland, CA has the best weather in the U.S.
And among the worst rates of violent crime per capita. Cool story, bro.
Really cause I thought there was a lot of smoke from all the crack in the drive-by shootings that occurred there
We the people the actually live and work in Las Vegas never wanted the As in Las Vegas. We were never asked the greedy politicians just did it. Hear me loud and clear. We don’t want the Oakland As in Las Vegas. Putting a baseball stadium on the corner of Las Vegas Blvd and Tropicana is dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. That location is not big enough for a baseball stadium. The congestion and traffic will be astronomical
"We..." You got a mouse in your pocket? 😄
@@FlorioDerio-yy1yp I’m born and raised in Las Vegas and I’m 52 years old. I drive past Tropicana and Las Vegas Blvd every day. I’ve been working in the Las Vegas gaming industry for 40 years. I started in the spring of 1984. I also attended and graduated from UNLV. That corner of Las Vegas Blvd and Tropicana is the dumbest idea for a baseball stadium. If you’ve ever walked around that location you would know there apartments buildings , condos and other Hotels like right on top of the Tropicana Hotel and Casino used to be . How the hell are you going to fit a MLB stadium in that location. Plus it’s a huge Catholic Church directly across the street on Reno . The stadium is not going to work..
The A's should be folded and MLB bring 3 expansion teams in Las Vegas, San Antonio, and Nashville (they should be called "Tennessee" so Memphis ppl can like them too)
I'll take "Sh!t That Will Never Happen" for 500, Alex.
@@FlorioDerio-yy1yp unfortunately, ur right. But it's nice tovoice my opinion now so I can tell ppl I was right later.
You know what ballpark is in a great location and the most MLB ready stadium available? Charlotte.
They should return home to Philadelphia. The city can handle two teams
That would be two teams Philly fans can boo.
That would be cool but would never happen.
What a disaster. Sell the team. Have them play in los Angeles. Get them to salt lake City. Seriously.
I can see Vivek Ranadive is doing the cabbage patch right about now; his opportunity to obtain an MLB team for a much smaller price. Ryan Smith & Utah are definitely going to have plans be made for them to have the A’s since he likely can convince the city & MLB that they’ll have a stadium ready by 2028 at the latest.
MLB by then would HAVE to force John Fisher to sell since he is getting in the way of MLB’s real future plans.
Vivek cant afford the A's without selling the Kings first.
@@TheEarthGerm Indeed. These SacTown goofs who think that Ranadive is gonna buy out Fisher and keep the A's in NorCal are adorable.
Oakland Homeless Problem is Insane...
The City of Oakland a bit of a crime-ridden mess. But then so are several American cities with MLB teams. Best thing for them, now they will be in Sacramento for a couple of years, is to tear down the Oakland Coliseum and build a new one on same site. Continuity, retain your fan base and since the infrastructure is already there, a new park would cost substantially less than on a new site particularly in California with all its environmentalist red tape, etc. Of course, for this to happen, the team would have to be sold and soon.
There is a baseball-specific artificial turf that is designed to be as cool as grass in hot weather. It uses an organic cork and coconut husk blend that requires much less water than grass, and has been installed at the Texas Rangers’ new stadium. I’m guessing it will go in at the A’s temporary ballpark.
Don't tell D.G. He's too busy telling everyone that the A's are gonna be playing on Astroturf or some such in Sacramento. 🙄
The Salt Lake City A's.....I guess today's billionaires really aren't.
Do you think MGM and Wynn are blocking this?
Every big league wants a team in Las Vegas. MLB will find a way to make this happen.
Feel for the A's. Oakland weather is absolutely perfect. The coastal winds feel so good. Sacramento is an oven. Las Vegas is an oven. I couldn't take sitting out there for a game.
Just build a dome stadium in Sacramento railyards.
Problem with Oakland it's a crime infested burning dumpster of a city.
Evenings in Sacramento are usually quite nice with the Delta Breeze. But La Niña years like we’re currently experiencing bring brutal Summers. Still Sacramento isn’t building an air conditioned stadium for any baseball team. We don’t have an air conditioned stadium for the USL or Triple A. We deal with it with a cold drink and a hat.
As far as Oakland getting the A’s back? Extremely unlikely. It just hasn’t proven itself as a viable host to the NFL, NBA or MLB. A lot of Oaklands fan base came from outside the Eat Bay.
It's guaranteed to work. All that MLB is giving them, land donated and destroying the casino, it is going to work. Without fail. Like you said, they have time.
Ginger’s first mistake was believing that John Fisher could pull this off flawlessly
I live in Vegas, and I'm an A's fan. But, their front office SUCKS. They would F up a picnic!!!
Good, if the owner wants to move to Vegas that badly, he should pay for the stadium himself.
They have no money because they were banking on the public paying for it. Lawmakers there don't want to pay for it.
I think John Fisher gonna have to get an extra owner to get the money and build the stadium
Vegas doesn't care about baseball like that. Give them their NBA team and call it a day.
It shouldn't be so hard for Blackrock to loan money to Fisher. The tribe is supposed to support itself, not get offended because guy moves his team further away from Blackrock island out on the West coast.
The Patriots built Foxboro Stadium for only $7 million.
That’s crazy to think of but then again not everything used to be so focused on the bells and whistles like it is now. Even Gillette Stadium that was built in 2000 (opened in 2002) had cost $325 million which in today’s world in 2024 that’s quite a bargain.
And back in the day, you could buy a loaf a bread for a nickel. So what?
Maybe your algorithm prevents longer posts, but will just say this article is totally different from what you are reading. Difference is this article by stadium professionals: "A’s Vegas ballpark funding plans set out" article written by Coliseum, a Global Sports Venue Alliance.
D.G. isn't interested in reporting honestly on this situation. Instead, he's interested in keeping the terminally online S.I.O. crowd engaged; and he knows that hopium sells to that audience. If he wanted to report honestly on this matter, he could crib from the reporting of Mick Akers at the LVRJ.
You and I both know that by 2030, the Athletics will be playing on the corner of Tropicana Avenue and Las Vegas Boulevard, and practically everyone -- including D.G. -- will have moved on and be acting like no one ever questioned such an outcome. 🙄
@@FlorioDerio-yy1yp Agree on all points. Akers reports the facts without the spin of the Bay Area media, and they hate him for it. But this article says the same: "A’s Vegas ballpark funding plans set out" article written by Coliseum, a Global Sports Venue Alliance. They are a professional organization and cannot be accused of any bias.
I would never lend to a garbage owner like Fischer that actively pissed off the fan base.
Send em to nashville
Unless there's a change in ownership, no thanks.
nope
Not surprised at all. In fact, it's pretty much what I expected.
They don't have the land for anything in addition to the ballpark. In fact, they don't really have enough land.
Banks are not going to loan money without project blueprints which has not been created yet..
Not much of an update. Have you reached out to Mick Akers or Zennie Abraham? There will be a Tax Increment Financing district. It's essentially the same plan as Allegiant.
I'm wondering what Arte Moreno is going to do with the Angels. He complains about the lack of a fan base but a lot of the local baseball fans don't care because he doesn't seem to want to develop the team into a contender. One deal he had with the City of Anaheim fell through when the FBI got involved and it ended up with Anaheim's mayor convicted of political bribery & corruption.
They've been looking for an investor for two months now and no one has expressed interest. Sandy Dean owner John Fisher's business partner says the A's are "in good shape" but the A's have not come forth with their share of the construction costs at $500 million. The whole deal could collapse. On the face of it the Sacramento idea could fall apart as well with the turf and minor league facility. They need to finish up at the Oakland Coliseum. They really belong in Oakland to tell the truth. What a waste.
No.
The more this goes on the more I think the A's are going to end up in Sacramento and Vegas is going to get an expansion team. As a matter of fact what Sacramento did bothers me way more than Vegas. Vegas was just trying to get a team, Sacramento stepped in and saved John Fisher when Oakland had their last bit of leverage and offered him a minor league park rent free. Considering that they almost lost the Kings a decade ago and were saved at the 11th hour they should've known what Oakland was going through trying desperately to save their team but I guess money wins over morality again. Sacramento really did Oakland dirty. Even some of the Sacramento media said so.
It’s possible if the Vegas deal is dragged out and nothing gets done in the next year MLB could force a sale. They don’t want to deal with a situation similar to Arizona Coyotes in the NHL playing in a place not suited for them.
Listening to the S.I.O. crowd kvetch about team relocations is pretty rich. I seem to recall that the A's played in two cities prior to Oakland. Moreover, the team was total roadkill in K.C., but the attendance was pretty good regardless. By contrast, in Oakland, the team has had attendance issues going back to the '70s.
This is a ploy for more casino money. Guaranteed.
Mark Davis did the same thing before their move and got around a hundred million more out of it
Reality -
The document says "Fisher Family" (worth about $8B) not "John Fisher" (who, by the way, just got $500M richer thanks to a good quarter at GAP). Getting a minority owner is just a "nice to have". The only missing piece is they'd prefer a $300M loan instead of using an extra $300M of family equity. This is a non-story they are still on target to start construction in April (but that isn't a sexy headline)
Gotta keep the terminally online S.I.O. crowd engaged. Hopium does that. I'll at least give D.G. credit for knowing his YooToob bizness.
House always wins
They should stay in Oakland and not spend public money for Fisher.
I think vegas would be great for mlb, just not the As
Too hot in Vegas to be playing baseball...did they not learn from the Diamondbacks??
if they are indoors however who cares?
It’s too hot in Phoenix, but the Diamondbacks have done well with their indoor/retractable roof stadium
Dbacks have a retractable roof stadium in downtown phx. They're doing ok. But outside, even the denizens of hell would beg for water
I'll believe if the A's move to Las Vegas is in trouble when I hear it from the mouth of Rob Manfred
Yo! What’s up with the title of your video?
The A's are never moving to Las Vegas. Can't believe so many people actually believe that an ownership group that couldn't make it in Oakland and won't spend money to have a solid team is ever going to actually move to Vegas in a new stadium. WAKE UP!
Why don't they just build a casino along with the stadium? The casino will pay for the stadium.
Oh, Bally's is gonna build a new resort there alright. 👍
@@FlorioDerio-yy1yp OK well tell them or one of these greedy casino companies if they want to build another casino resort they have to finance the stadium.
Fisher should the A's, new owner should put them in Utah since Vegas don't want them & build a 40,000 seat stadium.
“Shutter Health Park.” Nice Freudian slip.
Well, Goodness, Here!
oh this is great. gives me hope of being qualified to make executive decisions myself. 🤣
Fix title
I was at the meeting- this article and video are 180 degrees off reality.
What do you expect? It's D.G. Unless Wikipedia is there to spell everything out for him, he has to resort to pot-stirring b.s. 😆
Nobody wants mlb baseball in vegas. Please move to another desperate city.
They're going to Utah.
nope
Would actually be great, but that will never happen, hopefully Utah gets a team through expansion
MLB will take over running the Athletics before all is said and done until they find another owner that will end up keeping the franchise in Oakland at the Howard Terminal site. The mayors in Vegas have said that they prefer an expansion franchise and not the A’s. While the mayor of Oakland is open to the A’s staying in Oakland as long as the team is under new ownership.
It's good to have dreams. Even incredibly wild ones, I guess.
They're going to Utah
But are they?
Baseball in Vegas in the Summer sounds like death.
Congratulations to LV. You have given corporate welfare to the worst owners in baseball.
Tough news for the A's. Fortunately, the Tampa Bay Rays have the funding for a new stadium.