A self-limiting unity exists to bind Muslims together, preventing Muslim communities from being able to openly criticize, question Quran and Islamic belief system and the causes of its failure in the modern world. This is because right in childhood their individuality and critical thinking ability, in fact their Self, has already been surrendered to the Ummah.
lies...lies...lies... >Iqbal did same critique as ghazzali, ibn al haythm, kant and david hume said but this doesnot mean that they were against it but they criticize metaphysics that it is unable to prove something objectively "reason is an ought to be the slave of passion" just like what science did...the greeks also failed because they focused more on metaphysics rather than science... >ghazzali wrote in his book what that its communal obligation and Farz e kafayah to learn natural philosophy/ science or any subject that can help community to grow... he further said its biggest crime against religion to oppse them in his last last books after becomming sufi.... >the deviation from mutazilah school and critique of greeks led to formation of scientific method by ashariah such as ibn al haythm and al biruni which later inspired rene descartes and other european scientits. >according to quantum mechanics universe is undetermined and cuase / effect are not fundamental and we cant predict next moment with certainity and the reality is falling in certain trajectory due to observer effect....casuality is only a belief based on our past experience like what david hume says "Science is the faith that the future will behave like the past" >Israel is backed by usa thats why its doing this other wise it even fears from iran... >karl marx which influenced your intellectual ammar ali jan viewed interest as a form of profit derived from the exploitation of labor. and even soviet banned interests.... but you feel aversion towards moududi.... >ottoman banned printing only for arabic texts at that time turkish was written in arabic letters. printing in latin was permited. they did it to protect jobs and buisness of calligraphers....just like now people like joe biden are demanding to ban AI as it wil take jobs which may not have substitute..... >just like religious concepts philosophical are also unbale to resolve..... prominent neuro scientist andrew huberman says alcohol is dangerous for mental health it may cause deaths...in westren countries DMT and psychedelics which did not caused any death or severe harms are banned.... thats why we call them pseudo intellectuals....
@@msf559beta g Playstation ka flag lagane se kuch ji ukhad paoge. Aaj Muslims evolution ko ni mante jismpe maximum biological science based hai. Aur laha tum batein kr rahe ho criticism ki jab kitne sare muslim countries mein apostasy laws hain
untill Muslim world don't realise that education science and technology and liberalism is needed throughout the Muslim world.their no slight chance of improvement and betterment.
Greatest contribution of Mohd Ali Jinnah is segregrating the trash and gold.. Thank you Jinnah.. U foresight was unbeatable.. U deserve Bharat Ratna..Request Indian Govt to consider the request.❤❤
My two favorite intellectuals - Prof Hobhoy and the young (relatively) Shah. Didn’t ancient Bharat have mathematics, algebra, astronomy, and surgery many many years before the Muslim world, and much of this knowledge was carried to the Muslim world by the Arab traders?
I have been following Hoodbhoy since 15 years now, he is considered to be a freethinker or something like a leftiberal in Pakistan. Now can you imagine any Indian leftist academician or even a simple liberal one talking about pan Hinduism or greater Indosohere( called innocently akhand bharat by Indian rightists) or calling a particular "Hindu age" as Golden period. By portraying himself as a "liberal" he has never avoided taking foward soft Islamism. This my friends is the prime difference between India and Pakistan and yes we are different people !
Totally different. They are afro-middle east people. Norhing to do with us genetically, culturally or anything. Yes, they have taken big chunks of our culture and language(s), but we have nothing in common. We need a super hard boarder between the countries.
That is a problem for Hindus then, and it is because the average Hindu suffers from an inferiority complex. The Westerners openly celebrate their golden periods; whether it is the renaissance, the scientific revolution or the industrial revolution. Similarly Muslims celebrate their period of advancement when they had great minds and were excelling in science. Why doesn't the Hindu celebrate their own achievements? That's a YOU problem. And yes agree, we are different.
Indians don't talk about their golden age because they suffer from an inferiority complex. The Westerners openly boast about their renaissance, scientific revolution and industrial revolution; similarly Muslims boast about their golden era of achievements. If you don't boast about yours, that's a YOU problem.
The Chinese proudly boast about their golden age and scientific achievements. The Westerners proudly boast about their scientific and industrial revolutions. If Muslims are doing it there is nothing wrong. Question is, why are your people suffering from a complex that they don't boast about their own achievements?
Yes we have nothing in common. It may seem good in Coke Studio comment section but in hard practical world, Subcontinent's muslims are different in most spheres from Hindus. 47 ki leadership ka total population exchange na karna was a grave mistake for Hindus.
Mr Syed Muzammil, what I found in Pakistan is everyone knows what are the ills plaguing Pakistan, but nobody has got concrete solutions. Every talk show agrees that something is wrong but everyone is scared to name. Too much of religion in every sphere of life will take you to blackhole. Just being proud on what happened 400 years ago will not take you anywhere in contemporary period.
Everyone also knows what needs to be done in terms of solution. The challenge is the duplicity aspect. Even a solution needs to be packaged as something else.
None of the achievements Mr. Hoodbhoy is talking about was done by a Sub Continent Muslim. They were mostly Arab and few Central Asian or Persian. 10:48 Muzzamil CORRECTLY interjects Hoodbhoy.
@@hotfun07 I completely agree and said so. It is not even the so-called Muslim World, more Arab/Persian World. It is said that one falls on the glories of the past to escape from the miseries of the present.
It was the golden age for Arabian Muslims, not all Muslims. Backward Pakistani Muslims gloating over the past achievements of Arabian Muslims is as absurd as Ethiopian Christians gloating over the scientic developments of Christian Europeans.
Yes, but unfortunately Modi is again bringing cancer to India in the orange Color.........tanatani from cow belt jahil Hindi state with communal ideology of one nation theory aka hindutva
Most of the akistanis including iqbal, jinnah and even Hoodbhoy etc were converted hardly few genration back. Will Hoodbhoy like to present his well researched views on the contributions of his Hindu forefathers?
U have not yet concluded that the ancestors of Brahmans and chamaars are same despite both of these groups being hindus, how can u conclude that the ancestors of Hindus and Muslims are also same ?
Its amazing they talk about the Golden age of Arabs whereas their forefathers were part of a Golden age that happened centuries before that in their own land. Inki baat hi shuru hoti hey 632 CE sey!! Unfortunately this is their cause of failure!!
It is because the modern descendants of those Hindus suffer from an inferiority complex and do not celebrate their own achievements. Tell me something? If Hindus were openly proud about their scientific achievements and would confidently tell the world what their civilization has given it, don't you think they would get credit for it? Of course they would, but the average Hindu still suffers from an inferiority complex and as such does not tell the world everything they have contributed in history. Hence in the West, they know about Sun -Tzu or Machiavelli but no one knows about Chanakya. In the West they know about, Ibn Rushd, Ibn Sina, Ghazali, Confucius, Tao; but no one knows about Sushruta. If you're own people don't proudly present their history, don't expect others to care either.
Because you don't promote your golden age, your own people don't know about it. The educated Indian knows about Machiavelli and Sun-Tzu but does not know about Chanakya. Because you suffer from an inferiority complex; The Chinese, Westerners and Muslims don't suffer from this complex hence they promote and celebrate their past achievements.
Hoodbhoy transitioning from physicist to teaching to half cracked historian to soft islamist to hardcore islamist ,,,,,,,,,,,,,god knows before he start wearing waist
Great conversation... I like the way how bravely this conversation has been taken without the fear of dogmatic Pakistani majority.. happy that Pakistan is producing thinkable youths to understand the truth for its future.
lies...lies...lies... >Iqbal did same critique as ghazzali, ibn al haythm, kant and david hume said but this doesnot mean that they were against it but they criticize metaphysics that it is unable to prove something objectively "reason is an ought to be the slave of passion" just like what science did...the greeks also failed because they focused more on metaphysics rather than science... >ghazzali wrote in his book what that its communal obligation and Farz e kafayah to learn natural philosophy/ science or any subject that can help community to grow... he further said its biggest crime against religion to oppse them in his last last books after becomming sufi.... >the deviation from mutazilah school and critique of greeks led to formation of scientific method by ashariah such as ibn al haythm and al biruni which later inspired rene descartes and other european scientits. >according to quantum mechanics universe is undetermined and cuase / effect are not fundamental and we cant predict next moment with certainity and the reality is falling in certain trajectory due to observer effect....casuality is only a belief based on our past experience like what david hume says "Science is the faith that the future will behave like the past" >Israel is backed by usa thats why its doing this other wise it even fears from iran... >karl marx which influenced your intellectual ammar ali jan viewed interest as a form of profit derived from the exploitation of labor. and even soviet banned interests.... but you feel aversion towards moududi.... >ottoman banned printing only for arabic texts at that time turkish was written in arabic letters. printing in latin was permited. they did it to protect jobs and buisness of calligraphers....just like now people like joe biden are demanding to ban AI as it wil take jobs which may not have substitute..... >just like religious concepts philosophical are also unbale to resolve..... prominent neuro scientist andrew huberman says alcohol is dangerous for mental health it may cause deaths...in westren countries DMT and psychedelics which did not caused any death or severe harms are banned.... thats why we call them pseudo intellectuals....
Oh bhai if you’re listening from 9:00 min to 20 min There was literally THE LIGHT OF KNOWLEDGE WAS THERE BEFORE ISLAM. 800 bc Islamic nation accepted Greeks Romans knowledge and science grow tremendously until MULLAH’S GULLA invented 😂😂
@@atrauli @user-un2ve5eg7o The six Darshanas, also known as the six schools of Indian philosophy, are: 1) Samkhya: Founded by Kapila Muni, Samkhya is a rationalist school of philosophy that denies the existence of God and believes in the dual existence of Purusha (consciousness) and Prakriti (matter) 2)Yoga: Patanjali’s Yoga Sutras form the basis of this school. It emphasizes meditation and moral virtues as means to liberation12. 3) Nyaya: Founded by Gautama Rishi, Nyaya is the school of logic and epistemology. It believes in a systematic investigation of the nature of things through logic 4) Vaisheshika: Founded by Kanada Rishi, Vaisheshika is a naturalist school of atomism and believes in a detailed enumeration of the universe’s physical realities 5) Mimamsa: Jaimini’s Mimamsa Sutras form the basis of this school. It emphasizes the ritualistic aspects of the Vedas and the power of the mantras 6 ) Vedanta: Based on the Brahma Sutras of Badarayana or Vyasa, Vedanta is the school of Upanishadic philosophy. It explores the concepts of Brahman (ultimate reality) and Atman (individual soul) These six schools of thought offer unique perspectives and paths towards the ultimate reality, each with its own philosophical underpinnings As for the great philosophies of ancient India, they include both orthodox (astika) systems, namely, the Nyaya, Vaisheshika, Samkhya, Yoga, Purva-Mimamsa (or Mimamsa), and Vedanta schools of philosophy, and unorthodox (nastika) systems, such as Buddhism and Jainism3. These philosophies have been concerned with various philosophical problems, significant among which are the nature of the world (cosmology), the nature of reality (metaphysics), logic, the nature of knowledge (epistemology), ethics, and the philosophy of religion --->Ancient India was home to several schools of thought that did not believe in the existence of God. Here are some of them: 1) Charvaka (Lokayata): This school of Indian materialism is considered one of the atheistic schools in the Hindu tradition. It rejected the authority of the Vedas and the notion of an afterlife, advocating for a hedonistic life 2) Samkhya: While it is an orthodox (Astika) school of Hindu philosophy, Samkhya denies the existence of God or any other exterior influence. However, unlike other atheist schools of thought, it did not deny the existence of all things transcendent 3) Purva Mimamsa: This school, while accepting the authority of the Vedas, typically rejects a personal god, creator god, or a god with attributes 4 ) Ajñana: This was a skeptical school of ancient Indian philosophy. The Ajñana were the skeptics of their time and questioned the reliability of all sources of knowledge 5) Buddhism and Jainism: While these are not typically classified as atheistic schools, they do not advocate for the worship of gods and instead focus on personal spiritual development 6) Nagarjuna, who lived around the 2nd century CE, is widely considered one of the most important Buddhist philosophers. He is traditionally regarded as the founder of the Madhyamaka (“Middle Way”) school, an important tradition of Mahayana Buddhist philosophy Here are some key teachings of Nagarjuna: Doctrine of Emptiness (Shunyata): Nagarjuna is best known for his doctrine of emptiness (shunyata), which he developed in his most famous work, the Mulamadhyamakakarika (“Fundamental Verses on the Middle Way”). This doctrine asserts that all phenomena are empty of “self-nature” or “essence”, meaning they have no independent reality apart from the causes and conditions from which they arise Two Truths Doctrine: Nagarjuna proposed the Two Truths Doctrine, which differentiates between conventional truth (the reality we experience in everyday life) and ultimate truth (the ultimate reality as understood by enlightened minds). Dependent Origination: Nagarjuna emphasized the concept of dependent origination, which states that all phenomena arise in dependence upon other phenomena Madhyamaka Philosophy: Nagarjuna’s Madhyamaka philosophy rejects all philosophical views and propositions, arguing that accepting any of them as ultimately true leads to suffering Mahayana Buddhism: Nagarjuna was a proponent of the Mahayana school, which emphasizes the idea of the bodhisattva, or one who seeks to become a Buddha. He defended the Mahayana sutras as the authentic word of the Buddha. Nagarjuna’s teachings have had a profound influence on the development of Buddhist thought, not only in India but also in East Asia and Tibet
0:00 Introduction 1:03 Golden Age: Myth or Reality? 10:47 Pan-Islamism? 21:16 Why is Ghazali still relevant? 27:50 How to reconcile the differences between faith and science? 30:22 ??? 32:28 How to teach science in Pakistan? 36:40 How should our education system be designed? 39:51 How to bring Education to the forefront? 43:38 Are we not Adaptable? 47:41 Is there an Islamic economic system? 51:00 How to be accountable ? 53:55 How to revive Golden age? Scientific Imperialism? 57:17 is there God at the bottom of the glass????! 57:54 Does politics and economics lead philosophy in a culture? 1:02:00 Rise of AI - Effects in Pakistan
Leave science it has never been cup of tea in the Muslim world. Become Hafiz. Read koran with translation. That's enough. The whole world is reading koran.
@@nikhildeshmukh6221I am a proud andhbhakt because cow gave us milk cheese butter curd and work in farming but why pig is papa for Muslims why pig is holy animal in Islam why Muslims don't eat and kill pig😊
@@nikhildeshmukh6221if one glass is half full we can say it both ways half empty or half full similarly if Pakistan for Muslims than India not for Muslims 😊
WHAT TO DO ISLAMIC GOLDEN AGE WITH PAKISTANI ? WHO just converted from hindus ? your golden age is maurya empire , gupta empire , aryabhata , vaharamir and others great ancient mind not islamic - you just converted by fear of sowrd . thats it - ex muslim agnostic .
Ashamed by the comments of my fellow Indians, most of whom have not even understood the context and reason for this discussion. But, contrary to most of the comments, I have really enjoyed the whole discussion/session. Pakistan needs more of such people to improve and develop in the future and such discussions should become a common norm among the normal Pakistani citizens, irrespective of their social or economical class/status they belong to in the country. And I know that it will take time and a lot of effort but things will change for better soon. Lots of love to the panel and the people present there asking such wonderful questions.❤ Hope to see more of such people to come out of Pakistan in the near future as it is the need of this hour.
ISLAMIC people have never INVENTED ANYTHING during whatever age you take. They only did COPY from Bharat, Copy from ROME, and Greece. Can you name one invention of ISLAMIC countries during the golden age?
@@maheshA1316 Just like Indian philosophers do? When ever someone quote Plato or Socrates's ideology on a state, Indians always outrages- stating that this was written in our purana or chanakya had mentioned it? I mean Indian history had great philosophers and scientists but yeah, it's about the perception
Algebra was developed by the ancient Indians🇮🇳 not by the muslims (Arabs), Al Khwarizmi just copied Indian system of Mathematics and introduced that to the Europeans...
31:00 this student mentioned about ex president Dr. Pranav Mukerji of India. He was a lifelong congressman, but Modi of BJP after becoming PM, awarded him with “Bharat-Ratn” the highest civilian of India. Pakstan needs THIS thought process of giving oppositions their due. Tabhi progress hoga 😊
Well said. As a Pakistani ( with parents that were driven out of India for being Muslim ) - I must say that Pakistan’s politicians and leadership are narcissistic fools and like every backwards management company they are busy kicking rather than uplifting each other. I’m not sure if the future of Muslims would have been brighter if they had allowed to stay back. The issue is partly too much religious interference and partly a tribal backwards part of the British empire. Two bad combinations. Even now they are busy jailing and defaming their own leaders. Never seen such a society anywhere. It has to implode before a new thought or culture can emerge. Muslims everywhere are backwards. Except for architecture and calligraphy not much else going for it. The idea of a single United ummah is ingrained in all Muslims. They have just not figured out how to harness the unity for better good of the world. Much of Muslim world has been incessantly bombed for last 70 years as well by western powers. Atleast 7 countries bombed and uprooted. A mess.
More then science, Islam need to allow critical thinking, rest every thing will follow automatically, including science, Politics, morality or character.
Professor saab, you mention KSA and UAE. Both these States suffer from inner contradictions. While MBS and MBZ are pulling their counties towards modernity, both these gentlemen preside over ruling establishments that are anything but modern.
People in the subcontinent who converted to save their lives trace their cultural lineage to Arabs?! Does that even begin to make sense?! This would be like the Christians in India talking about the Golden Age of the Tudors in England as their own golden period!!
Another thing, what gets me is that Sir Hoodbhoy (Hoodbhai) is Physics Professor - I have never seen him talk about Physics! Nobody in Pakistan asks him about Physics!
Sir time has come to introspect by Muslim community. In present world one is talking of atrocities by western world. But what muslim community has done in the past is being not discussed. Be it india or other parts of world islam has spread on the strength of Swoard and forcible conversion of non muslim and destruction of their relegious places. Fatah is the essence of Islamic philosphy. Hogia Sofia chruch in Turkey has been converted into Mosque, attack on Somnath temple, Ayodhya and Mathura.
yep FORCEFULL conversion and the first muslims and muslim mosque of the sub-continent is in kerala cheraman juma mosque was built by its ruler in prophet's (PBUH) own lifetime and you know what percent of muslims are there after 1500 hundred years of presence of ISLAM only 26 percent. this is simply BJP and islamophobic propaganda.
Syed Muzammil being a man of academic precision corrected the lady, not on the rhetoric but technicality of Kant’s. This is what is required to further discourse.
It is impossible for “Islam” as a whole to have a reformation, because this would entail all the various sects and subsects to agree on what that reformation should be, if any, which they will never do. There is no single central source of authority in Islam who could effect such a change.
Yes religion is impossible to reform ,look at Hinduism especially in cow belt jahil Hindi states, still they discriminate Dalits as fourth class citizen of country....root is their book which bramhins can't reform.
only reform of quran then Islam reform - main problem is in quran who allowed sax slavery and teach hate for kafirs thats it - islam reform not possible - leave Islam in only way like me .
lies...lies...lies... >Iqbal did same critique as ghazzali, ibn al haythm, kant and david hume said but this doesnot mean that they were against it but they criticize metaphysics that it is unable to prove something objectively "reason is an ought to be the slave of passion" just like what science did...the greeks also failed because they focused more on metaphysics rather than science... >ghazzali wrote in his book what that its communal obligation and Farz e kafayah to learn natural philosophy/ science or any subject that can help community to grow... he further said its biggest crime against religion to oppse them in his last last books after becomming sufi.... >the deviation from mutazilah school and critique of greeks led to formation of scientific method by ashariah such as ibn al haythm and al biruni which later inspired rene descartes and other european scientits. >according to quantum mechanics universe is undetermined and cuase / effect are not fundamental and we cant predict next moment with certainity and the reality is falling in certain trajectory due to observer effect....casuality is only a belief based on our past experience like what david hume says "Science is the faith that the future will behave like the past" >Israel is backed by usa thats why its doing this other wise it even fears from iran... >karl marx which influenced your intellectual ammar ali jan viewed interest as a form of profit derived from the exploitation of labor. and even soviet banned interests.... but you feel aversion towards moududi.... >ottoman banned printing only for arabic texts at that time turkish was written in arabic letters. printing in latin was permited. they did it to protect jobs and buisness of calligraphers....just like now people like joe biden are demanding to ban AI as it wil take jobs which may not have substitute..... >just like religious concepts philosophical are also unbale to resolve..... prominent neuro scientist andrew huberman says alcohol is dangerous for mental health it may cause deaths...in westren countries DMT and psychedelics which did not caused any death or severe harms are banned.... thats why we call them pseudo intellectuals....
Surah Al-Kahf (18:23-24): وَلَا تَقُولَنَّ لِشَيْءٍ إِنِّي فَاعِلٌ ذَٰلِكَ غَدًا "I shall not say to you I will do it tomorrow." إِلَّا أَن يَشَاءَ اللَّهُ ۚ وَاذْكُر رَّبَّكَ إِذَا نَسِيتَ وَقُلْ عَسَىٰ أَن يَهْدِيَنِ رَبِّي لِأَقْرَبَ مِنْ هَٰذَا رَشَدًا "Except if Allah wills. And remember your Lord when you forget and say, 'Perhaps my Lord will guide me to what is nearer than this to right conduct.'" Urdu Translation: "کہنے والا نہ کہوں گا کہ میں کل اس کام کو کر دوں گا، مگر جب تک خدا نے چاہا۔ اور اس کا یاد کرو، جب تم بھول جاؤ اور کہو کہ شاید میرا رب مجھے اس سے زیادہ بہتر راہ دکھا دے۔"
Education - at every level - in this country is driven by economics. Institutions exist not to produce knowledge but to increase profits. I say this as one who has been teaching in the recent past.
Bhai tumlog railway lines par to potty karte firte ho, toilets hai nahi, literacy rate abhi bhi 3rd world country waala hai, communal violence ke incidents aate rehte hai. Kis baat ka proud hai? Abhi bhi developing economy ho, unlike ISRO jisne exceptionally kaam kiya hai
People in the Sanatan tradition "convert" or change their mode of worship all the time. In the same family, one member might be an Arya Samaji, another a Vaishnav, still another a Shaivite. It is no big deal even if someone becomes an atheist. But none of these "converts" pretend that their cultural ancestry is now different. Muslims are unique in this respect. After conversion, they pretend that they are somehow descended from or have a connection with Arab learning of the 7th Century.
He has become typical Pakistani liberal. Who always talk abt India b4 talking abt anything abt pakistan. Often talks more abt Indian Muslims and rarely abt Hindus in pakistan . He lives in pakistan has He done anything for pakistani Hindus . NO 😂😂 I like this muzammil guy who atleast focus on pakistan and doesn't talk abt India abt which he doesn't know much
@@GuzzarAwan Exactly . typical Pakistani liberal . And there in lies the problem with muslims of the subcontinent . They are not inward looking . They keep finding what issues Hindus and others are having . They know it is impossible to reform the society . So find fault with other communities, and mix it up and feed your community . No clear vision , no stated goals for the community . Prof .Hoodbhoy talks about Ram and questioned his origin which is fine , but he cannot do the same to Allah/Rasool and that is exactly what is ailing this community all over the world and will continue to ail with no end in sight .
Regardless of whether Indians appreciate it or not, the Muslim Golden Age will always be recognized as a significant era, and their contributions to science and technology will continue to be celebrated globally. Their invaluable service to humanity is an undeniable fact.
Hi bro UP se ho ya Bihar se ....aise andhbhakt wahi se paye jate he ... Cow belt jahil Hindi states with their communal ideology of one nation theory aka hindutva
Algebra was invented by Greeks, Babylonians, Indians, and Chinese. Al-Khwarizmi who was the father of algebra actually modified and translated the works of Greeks, Babylonians and Indians, and he was not an Arab, he was a Khwarizmian from Greater Persia.
Algebra was developed by the ancient Indians🇮🇳 not by the muslims (Arabs), Al Khwarizmi just copied Indian system of Mathematics and introduced that to the Europeans...
Sridhar Acharya first discovered Algebra in Bharat at 600 BC . Sridhar Acharya first calculate value of x in binomial equation. But Sridhar Acharya was a Hindu monk. He also first separated algebra from arithmetic and geometry.
@@maheshA1316 Nothing, Mostly these Intellectuals are anti religion because they are rich elites who want to keep in power by any means. After BJP success they lost their partners in India so they are furious and want to use common Muslims as bait again.
Yes there should have been three nation theory.......one for secular India , second for green cancer and third for orange cancer of UP bihari cow belt jahil Hindi states
Enjoyed this session and learnt more about your country Pakistan. You both are my favourite Pakistanis and I was delighted to see both of you on the same stage. I would like to tell Dr. Hoodboy that his thoughts about India going Pakistan way due to religious intolerance etc are not correct. It is true that in the last couple of decades religion here is becoming more prominent. But it cannot go into our blood. It will always remain on the surface. They can win the elections by using religion but for us religion and science is like oil and water. Not like Pakistan where you have made it like milk and water. You might have seen the pictures of ISRO scientists, majority of them were female. While working in space centre they come with Tilak on their foreheads and before any important operations do Pooja. And this worship is done for all the faiths including Muslim. Sir, I can tell you with very high confidence that India can never go Pakistan way, never. I hope some day I would be able to drive into Lahore or Islamabad or you be my guest in Bombay ( I still call it Bombay) and we could talk to each other face-to-face. Love from India!
Algebra was the findings of Indian sage Bhaskaracharya not that of Egyptians.It is time world recognises the original finders of any concept not the plagerised version
it takes one google search to find out Muhammad ibn Musa Al-Khwarizmi is the founder of Algebra but you’re once again proving education is illegal in india and you only use the internet to watch lusty tseries video.
Algebra was developed by the ancient Indians🇮🇳 not by the muslims (Arabs), Al Khwarizmi just copied Indian system of Mathematics and introduced that to the Europeans...
Algebra was developed by the ancient Indians🇮🇳 not by the muslims (Arabs), Al Khwarizmi just copied Indian system of Mathematics and introduced that to the Europeans...
جب تک رسول موجود تھے تب تک اسلام ایک مشفق اور مہربان مذہب تھا ، کیونکہ دین کا وارث موجود تھا ، پھر جب وارث دین چلا گیا تو دین پہ وارثین کی جگہ قابضین آگئے اور اس وقت سے لے کر آج تک دین کی جو شکل ہے وہ سب کے سامنے ہے ، اور ایسا تمام اسلامی ممالک کی صورتحال ہے ، اسی طرح دیگر مزاہب کے ساتھ بھی ماضی میں ہوچکا ہے ،، لیکن اب غیر مسلم انسانیت کے پلیٹ فارم پہ کام کررہے ہیں ، آپ کی گفتگو اس لئے دل جو لگتی ہے کہ اس میں عقلی و منطقی دلائل ہوتے ہیں ، پروردگار آپ کو صحت و سلامتی عطا فرمائے آمین
Muzammil ko nahi, tum tanatani log Pakistani liberals ke muh se Pakistan ki burai sunane aate ho....apne. Cow belt jahil Hindi states ko sudhar lo......waha pe liberals ko gaali aur Pakistan ke liberals ko sunana he....apne yaha Yogi bhogi chahiye with their communal ideology of hindutva hateful
Muzzamil, there is more wisdom in the two questions @ 41.10 and 44.25 than in the entire discourse by Hoodbhoy. If many in Pakistan will understand these questions, I’m not talking of the answers to those, your job will be better served. Guys like Hoodbhoy represent the exact nature of progress in Pakistan. They just move a few steps and then standstill. They don’t proceed further themselves like your country, instead they block anyone from proceeding!
West India? Shows how deep sh*t History lessons are in India. There was no country called India before British rule. The subcontinent was divided into many kingdoms, often fighting with each other. You will find nothing in common between a Kasmiri/KPK with Tamilian or Bengali. They dont even speak mutually intelligable languages. All the dreams of Hindus of uniting India under one language one culture one religion will fall flat and if pushed, will lead to breakdown. LOL!!! fakers!!!
only reform of quran then Islam reform - main problem is in quran who allowed sax slavery and teach hate for kafirs thats it - islam reform not possible - leave Islam in only way like me .
@@HarinderSahota-r7n hate for kafir - quran says non muslim are wrost creature just becasue they not follow islam , sax slavery ban , muhammad sunnat - that make people lust full . lots refrom needed .
A self-limiting unity exists to bind Muslims together, preventing Muslim communities from being able to openly criticize, question Quran and Islamic belief system and the causes of its failure in the modern world. This is because right in childhood their individuality and critical thinking ability, in fact their Self, has already been surrendered to the Ummah.
lies...lies...lies...
>Iqbal did same critique as ghazzali, ibn al haythm, kant and david hume said but this doesnot mean that they were against it but they criticize metaphysics that it is unable to prove something objectively "reason is an ought to be the slave of passion" just like what science did...the greeks also failed because they focused more on metaphysics rather than science...
>ghazzali wrote in his book what that its communal obligation and Farz e kafayah to learn natural philosophy/ science or any subject that can help community to grow... he further said its biggest crime against religion to oppse them in his last last books after becomming sufi....
>the deviation from mutazilah school and critique of greeks led to formation of scientific method by ashariah such as ibn al haythm and al biruni which later inspired rene descartes and other european scientits.
>according to quantum mechanics universe is undetermined and cuase / effect are not fundamental and we cant predict next moment with certainity and the reality is falling in certain trajectory due to observer effect....casuality is only a belief based on our past experience like what david hume says "Science is the faith that the future will behave like the past"
>Israel is backed by usa thats why its doing this other wise it even fears from iran...
>karl marx which influenced your intellectual ammar ali jan viewed interest as a form of profit derived from the exploitation of labor. and even soviet banned interests.... but you feel aversion towards moududi....
>ottoman banned printing only for arabic texts at that time turkish was written in arabic letters. printing in latin was permited. they did it to protect jobs and buisness of calligraphers....just like now people like joe biden are demanding to ban AI as it wil take jobs which may not have substitute.....
>just like religious concepts philosophical are also unbale to resolve.....
prominent neuro scientist andrew huberman says alcohol is dangerous for mental health it may cause deaths...in westren countries DMT and psychedelics which did not caused any death or severe harms are banned....
thats why we call them pseudo intellectuals....
Copy paste propaganda@@msf559
A virus made by man middle in the desert
@@msf559beta g Playstation ka flag lagane se kuch ji ukhad paoge. Aaj Muslims evolution ko ni mante jismpe maximum biological science based hai. Aur laha tum batein kr rahe ho criticism ki jab kitne sare muslim countries mein apostasy laws hain
untill Muslim world don't realise that education science and technology and liberalism is needed throughout the Muslim world.their no slight chance of improvement and betterment.
Greatest contribution of Mohd Ali Jinnah is segregrating the trash and gold.. Thank you Jinnah.. U foresight was unbeatable.. U deserve Bharat Ratna..Request Indian Govt to consider the request.❤❤
My two favorite intellectuals - Prof Hobhoy and the young (relatively) Shah. Didn’t ancient Bharat have mathematics, algebra, astronomy, and surgery many many years before the Muslim world, and much of this knowledge was carried to the Muslim world by the Arab traders?
Perfect 👍
Problem is Pakistani always deny their ancient Hindu past, ancient tradition, culture, History. They speak as if they are Arabic or Persian 😁😁
Hindutva and Hindus love science
these chuts will know about greek science but not that which is all around them
Perfect..❤
I have been following Hoodbhoy since 15 years now, he is considered to be a freethinker or something like a leftiberal in Pakistan. Now can you imagine any Indian leftist academician or even a simple liberal one talking about pan Hinduism or greater Indosohere( called innocently akhand bharat by Indian rightists) or calling a particular "Hindu age" as Golden period. By portraying himself as a "liberal" he has never avoided taking foward soft Islamism.
This my friends is the prime difference between India and Pakistan and yes we are different people !
Totally different. They are afro-middle east people. Norhing to do with us genetically, culturally or anything. Yes, they have taken big chunks of our culture and language(s), but we have nothing in common. We need a super hard boarder between the countries.
That is a problem for Hindus then, and it is because the average Hindu suffers from an inferiority complex.
The Westerners openly celebrate their golden periods; whether it is the renaissance, the scientific revolution or the industrial revolution. Similarly Muslims celebrate their period of advancement when they had great minds and were excelling in science.
Why doesn't the Hindu celebrate their own achievements? That's a YOU problem. And yes agree, we are different.
Indians don't talk about their golden age because they suffer from an inferiority complex. The Westerners openly boast about their renaissance, scientific revolution and industrial revolution; similarly Muslims boast about their golden era of achievements.
If you don't boast about yours, that's a YOU problem.
The Chinese proudly boast about their golden age and scientific achievements. The Westerners proudly boast about their scientific and industrial revolutions. If Muslims are doing it there is nothing wrong. Question is, why are your people suffering from a complex that they don't boast about their own achievements?
Yes we have nothing in common. It may seem good in Coke Studio comment section but in hard practical world, Subcontinent's muslims are different in most spheres from Hindus. 47 ki leadership ka total population exchange na karna was a grave mistake for Hindus.
There are no disruptions in the pro Muslim rants from Pakistan.. old gin in a different package ..Muzammil ji aap bhi🥱
He is also Muslim..that is simple...
Exactly
Mr Syed Muzammil, what I found in Pakistan is everyone knows what are the ills plaguing Pakistan, but nobody has got concrete solutions. Every talk show agrees that something is wrong but everyone is scared to name. Too much of religion in every sphere of life will take you to blackhole. Just being proud on what happened 400 years ago will not take you anywhere in contemporary period.
Everyone also knows what needs to be done in terms of solution. The challenge is the duplicity aspect. Even a solution needs to be packaged as something else.
solution is leaving Islam and become normal which is not possible so its hopeless situation
None of the achievements Mr. Hoodbhoy is talking about was done by a Sub Continent Muslim.
They were mostly Arab and few Central Asian or Persian.
10:48 Muzzamil CORRECTLY interjects Hoodbhoy.
@@hotfun07 I completely agree and said so. It is not even the so-called Muslim World, more Arab/Persian World. It is said that one falls on the glories of the past to escape from the miseries of the present.
What you can expect from people who are scared of Polio Vaccine
syed qustioned about word "hum" as arab and pervez smartly moved away from question 😀😀😀
Nationalism is sum of religious identity and cultural identity
It was the golden age for Arabian Muslims, not all Muslims. Backward Pakistani Muslims gloating over the past achievements of Arabian Muslims is as absurd as Ethiopian Christians gloating over the scientic developments of Christian Europeans.
Pervez interview lene aaya hai ya dene aaya hai wo samajh nahi aa raha.. muzamil ko bolne kaha Diya usne
Judging people and finding faults it's the only thing which we do sad
This is identity crisis on which sir hoodbhoy had delivered a lecture
Million thanks to Jinnah who saved india from most of green snakes and green cancer. He deserves Bharat Ratna award 🎉
total poplu. xchange karna tha ..... hhindus and mmosslim cannot live together.
Yes, but unfortunately Modi is again bringing cancer to India in the orange Color.........tanatani from cow belt jahil Hindi state with communal ideology of one nation theory aka hindutva
Muslims cannot live with others,they will always try to dominate others
Please petition Modi. He has a knack of selection for various awards.
99% Pakistani wants Pakistan a Islamic nation but all Pakistani wants India a secular nation hypocrisy lvl 100%😂
Most of the akistanis including iqbal, jinnah and even Hoodbhoy etc were converted hardly few genration back. Will Hoodbhoy like to present his well researched views on the contributions of his Hindu forefathers?
Decease in paxtan and lam is deep...they won't accept hidu contribution...
99% Pakistani wants Pakistan a Islamic nation but all Pakistani wants India a secular nation hypocrisy lvl 100%😂....
a good question
U have not yet concluded that the ancestors of Brahmans and chamaars are same despite both of these groups being hindus, how can u conclude that the ancestors of Hindus and Muslims are also same ?
What a beautiful explanation by Dr Parvez
Thank you very much .
thank you jinnah
Great personalities syed muzammil shah and pervaiz sahab God bless them.
Mr perveze is a great mulla&maulavi
🤣
99% Pakistani wants Pakistan a Islamic nation but all Pakistani wants India a secular nation hypocrisy lvl 100%😂
Like this duo sir syed Muzzammil and Sir Dr pervaiz Hoodbhoy, kuch sochna ka moqa milta ha in Ki bato sa
This is amazing that these Muslims really believe in Umma.
Its amazing they talk about the Golden age of Arabs whereas their forefathers were part of a Golden age that happened centuries before that in their own land. Inki baat hi shuru hoti hey 632 CE sey!! Unfortunately this is their cause of failure!!
Or fortunately!
Tribes ne kon si scientific discoveries kar li?
Before Islam, Whole are Arabia was divided into small tribes .
So there was light before islam brought its religious darkness 😢😢😢
It is because the modern descendants of those Hindus suffer from an inferiority complex and do not celebrate their own achievements. Tell me something? If Hindus were openly proud about their scientific achievements and would confidently tell the world what their civilization has given it, don't you think they would get credit for it?
Of course they would, but the average Hindu still suffers from an inferiority complex and as such does not tell the world everything they have contributed in history.
Hence in the West, they know about Sun -Tzu or Machiavelli but no one knows about Chanakya. In the West they know about, Ibn Rushd, Ibn Sina, Ghazali, Confucius, Tao; but no one knows about Sushruta. If you're own people don't proudly present their history, don't expect others to care either.
Because you don't promote your golden age, your own people don't know about it. The educated Indian knows about Machiavelli and Sun-Tzu but does not know about Chanakya. Because you suffer from an inferiority complex; The Chinese, Westerners and Muslims don't suffer from this complex hence they promote and celebrate their past achievements.
Sir 90% of all Pakistani problem can be solved through Internet, Hoodboy has very myopic vision
Hoodbhoy transitioning from physicist to teaching to half cracked historian to soft islamist to hardcore islamist ,,,,,,,,,,,,,god knows before he start wearing waist
99% Pakistani wants Pakistan a Islamic nation but all Pakistani wants India a secular nation hypocrisy lvl 100%😂
Perfect understanding of Mulla Hoodboy😂
@@priyankashokeen8517😂😂😂 itna sach nahi bolna tha 😂😂😂😂
Hindus and hindutva always love science but jaahil hoodboy thinks Islam is similar to Hinduism 🤣
religious parties won 0 seats in parliament. So no I think. Its a pakistani tradition to give religious touch to everything@@priyankashokeen8517
Great conversation... I like the way how bravely this conversation has been taken without the fear of dogmatic Pakistani majority.. happy that Pakistan is producing thinkable youths to understand the truth for its future.
Brilliant question from Syed "Who are the "we"?
Thanks to Mujammil and Dr Hoodbhoy 🙏🙏🙏God bless you both 🙏🙏🙏🙏
All so called Scholars from Pak deliberately avoids mentioning Bharat, our History, our contribution towards Mathematics, Astronomy 🙄
Bhai Jaan Pyari hai😂😂😂😂
aap inse satya narayan ki katha sun na chahte hai kya
You contributed in science by eating gobar and cowurine 😂😂
Wow mathematics Astronomy..haha very funny you contributed ...😂😂😂
Wo inki aukat se bahr hai thts why not mentioned...Islam is failure..all these inventions or ideas are credited to Hindus
Marvellous programme, Thank you so much.
Jinnah ko tahe dil se salaam for seperating bharat from zombies
,
😂
then why are you still watching us? you miss us that much?
@@jetbllackwingskyoki tum hamara khun ho 😂 kapde bdlne se body nhi bdlti bachche 🤣
Hindus ko samajhna chahiye ye baat
Ye kitne jaahil hai
Ki 2024 mein science ko sikhe iski bahas kar rhe hai
Sorry for this muslims😅
@@Factman09Sahi keh Raha h hum dono ek dusre se Pyar krte mene Teri ama ke sth tjhe paida kia h is hum dono ek khoon h😂😂
The first in the audience's questions were exactly what is our level of ignorance. Shocking and arrogant.
lies...lies...lies...
>Iqbal did same critique as ghazzali, ibn al haythm, kant and david hume said but this doesnot mean that they were against it but they criticize metaphysics that it is unable to prove something objectively "reason is an ought to be the slave of passion" just like what science did...the greeks also failed because they focused more on metaphysics rather than science...
>ghazzali wrote in his book what that its communal obligation and Farz e kafayah to learn natural philosophy/ science or any subject that can help community to grow... he further said its biggest crime against religion to oppse them in his last last books after becomming sufi....
>the deviation from mutazilah school and critique of greeks led to formation of scientific method by ashariah such as ibn al haythm and al biruni which later inspired rene descartes and other european scientits.
>according to quantum mechanics universe is undetermined and cuase / effect are not fundamental and we cant predict next moment with certainity and the reality is falling in certain trajectory due to observer effect....casuality is only a belief based on our past experience like what david hume says "Science is the faith that the future will behave like the past"
>Israel is backed by usa thats why its doing this other wise it even fears from iran...
>karl marx which influenced your intellectual ammar ali jan viewed interest as a form of profit derived from the exploitation of labor. and even soviet banned interests.... but you feel aversion towards moududi....
>ottoman banned printing only for arabic texts at that time turkish was written in arabic letters. printing in latin was permited. they did it to protect jobs and buisness of calligraphers....just like now people like joe biden are demanding to ban AI as it wil take jobs which may not have substitute.....
>just like religious concepts philosophical are also unbale to resolve.....
prominent neuro scientist andrew huberman says alcohol is dangerous for mental health it may cause deaths...in westren countries DMT and psychedelics which did not caused any death or severe harms are banned....
thats why we call them pseudo intellectuals....
Oh bhai if you’re listening from 9:00 min to 20 min
There was literally THE LIGHT OF KNOWLEDGE WAS THERE BEFORE ISLAM. 800 bc Islamic nation accepted Greeks Romans knowledge and science grow tremendously until MULLAH’S GULLA invented 😂😂
According to these gentlemen Light of knowledge was there before Islam till it was flicked by mullahs 1100 ad 😅😅
These guys are telling the truth, and only the truth will set you free 😢
Thank you Muzammil for slapping HUM on a scientific intellectual mouth🎉🎉 great👍, a Muslim only not scientist.
What a great man between us. We’re lucky to have
Thank you Dr Parvez sb
Best wishes from USA 🇺🇸
Advaita Vedanta, Madhyamika Buddhism is a perfect Rational Philosophy for 21st century.
Hello, would you give me a gist of what these philosophies mean?
@@atrauligo do your own research.
@@atrauli @user-un2ve5eg7o The six Darshanas, also known as the six schools of Indian philosophy, are:
1) Samkhya: Founded by Kapila Muni, Samkhya is a rationalist school of philosophy that denies the existence of God and believes in the dual existence of Purusha (consciousness) and Prakriti (matter)
2)Yoga: Patanjali’s Yoga Sutras form the basis of this school. It emphasizes meditation and moral virtues as means to liberation12.
3) Nyaya: Founded by Gautama Rishi, Nyaya is the school of logic and epistemology. It believes in a systematic investigation of the nature of things through logic
4) Vaisheshika: Founded by Kanada Rishi, Vaisheshika is a naturalist school of atomism and believes in a detailed enumeration of the universe’s physical realities
5) Mimamsa: Jaimini’s Mimamsa Sutras form the basis of this school. It emphasizes the ritualistic aspects of the Vedas and the power of the mantras
6 ) Vedanta: Based on the Brahma Sutras of Badarayana or Vyasa, Vedanta is the school of Upanishadic philosophy. It explores the concepts of Brahman (ultimate reality) and Atman (individual soul)
These six schools of thought offer unique perspectives and paths towards the ultimate reality, each with its own philosophical underpinnings
As for the great philosophies of ancient India, they include both orthodox (astika) systems, namely, the Nyaya, Vaisheshika, Samkhya, Yoga, Purva-Mimamsa (or Mimamsa), and Vedanta schools of philosophy, and unorthodox (nastika) systems, such as Buddhism and Jainism3. These philosophies have been concerned with various philosophical problems, significant among which are the nature of the world (cosmology), the nature of reality (metaphysics), logic, the nature of knowledge (epistemology), ethics, and the philosophy of religion
--->Ancient India was home to several schools of thought that did not believe in the existence of God. Here are some of them:
1) Charvaka (Lokayata): This school of Indian materialism is considered one of the atheistic schools in the Hindu tradition. It rejected the authority of the Vedas and the notion of an afterlife, advocating for a hedonistic life
2) Samkhya: While it is an orthodox (Astika) school of Hindu philosophy, Samkhya denies the existence of God or any other exterior influence. However, unlike other atheist schools of thought, it did not deny the existence of all things transcendent
3) Purva Mimamsa: This school, while accepting the authority of the Vedas, typically rejects a personal god, creator god, or a god with attributes
4 ) Ajñana: This was a skeptical school of ancient Indian philosophy. The Ajñana were the skeptics of their time and questioned the reliability of all sources of knowledge
5) Buddhism and Jainism: While these are not typically classified as atheistic schools, they do not advocate for the worship of gods and instead focus on personal spiritual development
6) Nagarjuna, who lived around the 2nd century CE, is widely considered one of the most important Buddhist philosophers. He is traditionally regarded as the founder of the Madhyamaka (“Middle Way”) school, an important tradition of Mahayana Buddhist philosophy
Here are some key teachings of Nagarjuna:
Doctrine of Emptiness (Shunyata): Nagarjuna is best known for his doctrine of emptiness (shunyata), which he developed in his most famous work, the Mulamadhyamakakarika (“Fundamental Verses on the Middle Way”). This doctrine asserts that all phenomena are empty of “self-nature” or “essence”, meaning they have no independent reality apart from the causes and conditions from which they arise
Two Truths Doctrine: Nagarjuna proposed the Two Truths Doctrine, which differentiates between conventional truth (the reality we experience in everyday life) and ultimate truth (the ultimate reality as understood by enlightened minds).
Dependent Origination: Nagarjuna emphasized the concept of dependent origination, which states that all phenomena arise in dependence upon other phenomena
Madhyamaka Philosophy: Nagarjuna’s Madhyamaka philosophy rejects all philosophical views and propositions, arguing that accepting any of them as ultimately true leads to suffering
Mahayana Buddhism: Nagarjuna was a proponent of the Mahayana school, which emphasizes the idea of the bodhisattva, or one who seeks to become a Buddha. He defended the Mahayana sutras as the authentic word of the Buddha.
Nagarjuna’s teachings have had a profound influence on the development of Buddhist thought, not only in India but also in East Asia and Tibet
Advaita Vedanta is completely science
mind blogging philosophy!
0:00 Introduction
1:03 Golden Age: Myth or Reality?
10:47 Pan-Islamism?
21:16 Why is Ghazali still relevant?
27:50 How to reconcile the differences between faith and science?
30:22 ???
32:28 How to teach science in Pakistan?
36:40 How should our education system be designed?
39:51 How to bring Education to the forefront?
43:38 Are we not Adaptable?
47:41 Is there an Islamic economic system?
51:00 How to be accountable ?
53:55 How to revive Golden age? Scientific Imperialism?
57:17 is there God at the bottom of the glass????!
57:54 Does politics and economics lead philosophy in a culture?
1:02:00 Rise of AI - Effects in Pakistan
Leave science it has never been cup of tea in the Muslim world. Become Hafiz. Read koran with translation. That's enough. The whole world is reading koran.
Hi andhbhakt from cow belt
@@nikhildeshmukh6221😂😂😂😂😂😂😂chuslim Tum Kya science parogi Tum Quran paro or camel urin piyo
@@nikhildeshmukh622199% Pakistani wants Pakistan a Islamic nation but all Pakistani wants India a secular nation hypocrisy lvl 100%😂
@@nikhildeshmukh6221I am a proud andhbhakt because cow gave us milk cheese butter curd and work in farming but why pig is papa for Muslims why pig is holy animal in Islam why Muslims don't eat and kill pig😊
@@nikhildeshmukh6221if one glass is half full we can say it both ways half empty or half full similarly if Pakistan for Muslims than India not for Muslims 😊
WHAT TO DO ISLAMIC GOLDEN AGE WITH PAKISTANI ? WHO just converted from hindus ? your golden age is maurya empire , gupta empire , aryabhata , vaharamir and others great ancient mind not islamic - you just converted by fear of sowrd . thats it - ex muslim agnostic .
Correct sir
Hindu's converted to Islam due to fear of sword and the biggest reason was zazia,because zazia collectors used to spit on the hand or mouth of Hindus
U r very narrow minded. Plz go through books of Murtaza Mutahhary
@ErHajiHussain 😂😂😂😂
@@ErHajiHussainJo Khud Converted Hai Wo Hi Sabse Bade Musalman Ban Rahe Hai Jahil Ganwar Madarsa Chaap Converted 😂😂😂
Golden days 😂😂by looting gold ,historic robbers,this was your economic model 😂😂😂😂
It is simple man ...ilam never accepts science and changes...
Jizya and maal e ghanimat economy!!🤣
4:08 Yes Jurm kiya h Palestine par abey Jihadiyo jo tum jagah jagah par fat te ho uska kya
unlike india who is robbing from it’s own states. stealing from the poor and giving it to rhe rich.
Exactly
Ashamed by the comments of my fellow Indians, most of whom have not even understood the context and reason for this discussion.
But, contrary to most of the comments, I have really enjoyed the whole discussion/session. Pakistan needs more of such people to improve and develop in the future and such discussions should become a common norm among the normal Pakistani citizens, irrespective of their social or economical class/status they belong to in the country.
And I know that it will take time and a lot of effort but things will change for better soon.
Lots of love to the panel and the people present there asking such wonderful questions.❤
Hope to see more of such people to come out of Pakistan in the near future as it is the need of this hour.
😂😂😂 ashamed by this comment
Hinduism has a Goddess of Learning, Knowledge & Arts... "Ma Saraswati"
Fir bhi jehalat hai cow ka mutr pite hain 😂😂😂
she’s not real
And pagans have goddes of sex.such is fiction
@@jetbllackwingsallah is the most fake one
Hindus have God of everything 🤣🤣🤣
प्रवेज़ जी आप जैसे लोग बहुत ही कम होते हैं मुज्जमिल भाई जैसा दरसानिक लाजवाब पाकिस्तान तो बदनसीब है जो आप जैसो का कदर नहीं करते
ISLAMIC people have never INVENTED ANYTHING during whatever age you take. They only did COPY from Bharat, Copy from ROME, and Greece. Can you name one invention of ISLAMIC countries during the golden age?
If you ask more they will tell...it's all taken from the book and it already existed The book world copied it
You are living in your own paradise
@@maheshA1316 Just like Indian philosophers do?
When ever someone quote Plato or Socrates's ideology on a state, Indians always outrages- stating that this was written in our purana or chanakya had mentioned it?
I mean Indian history had great philosophers and scientists but yeah, it's about the perception
Invention of gadgets is application of science. Did they come up with original ideas? that's debatable.
Bharat invented this💩
👏👏👏💐💐ऐसे प्रोग्राम हमैशा होते रहने चाहिये !!👏👏🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳💐💐
Algebra was developed by the ancient Indians🇮🇳 not by the muslims (Arabs), Al Khwarizmi just copied Indian system of Mathematics and introduced that to the Europeans...
Sayed Muzammil sahib tuhanu dili salam 🎉from Punjab India 🇮🇳
31:00 this student mentioned about ex president Dr. Pranav Mukerji of India. He was a lifelong congressman, but Modi of BJP after becoming PM, awarded him with “Bharat-Ratn” the highest civilian of India. Pakstan needs THIS thought process of giving oppositions their due. Tabhi progress hoga 😊
Well said. As a Pakistani ( with parents that were driven out of India for being Muslim ) - I must say that Pakistan’s politicians and leadership are narcissistic fools and like every backwards management company they are busy kicking rather than uplifting each other. I’m not sure if the future of Muslims would have been brighter if they had allowed to stay back. The issue is partly too much religious interference and partly a tribal backwards part of the British empire. Two bad combinations. Even now they are busy jailing and defaming their own leaders. Never seen such a society anywhere. It has to implode before a new thought or culture can emerge. Muslims everywhere are backwards. Except for architecture and calligraphy not much else going for it. The idea of a single United ummah is ingrained in all Muslims. They have just not figured out how to harness the unity for better good of the world. Much of Muslim world has been incessantly bombed for last 70 years as well by western powers. Atleast 7 countries bombed and uprooted. A mess.
Love you doctor Saab! Like your way of talking...
Light of knowledge was there before the book until it was flicked off by mullahs in Islam after 1200 ad 😢😢😢😢
Islam in brain 🧠 goes out . Because there is no space left for question ❓. Thinking abilities 🤔 becomes....
More then science, Islam need to allow critical thinking, rest every thing will follow automatically, including science, Politics, morality or character.
Two my favourite persons on the stage. Legends... 🇮🇳
Professor saab, you mention KSA and UAE. Both these States suffer from inner contradictions. While MBS and MBZ are pulling their counties towards modernity, both these gentlemen preside over ruling establishments that are anything but modern.
A very informative discourse
People in the subcontinent who converted to save their lives trace their cultural lineage to Arabs?! Does that even begin to make sense?! This would be like the Christians in India talking about the Golden Age of the Tudors in England as their own golden period!!
Exactly. Within the first 5 minutes, Syed destroyed the whole argument.
Exactly. If it wasn't so tragic, it would be hilarious 😂
Another thing, what gets me is that Sir Hoodbhoy (Hoodbhai) is Physics Professor - I have never seen him talk about Physics! Nobody in Pakistan asks him about Physics!
Muzammil sir you are a 💎 for pakistani people. They must respect and take benefit of your value and light 🤝🙏🇮🇳
Sir time has come to introspect by Muslim community. In present world one is talking of atrocities by western world. But what muslim community has done in the past is being not discussed. Be it india or other parts of world islam has spread on the strength of Swoard and forcible conversion of non muslim and destruction of their relegious places. Fatah is the essence of Islamic philosphy. Hogia Sofia chruch in Turkey has been converted into Mosque, attack on Somnath temple, Ayodhya and Mathura.
yep FORCEFULL conversion and the first muslims and muslim mosque of the sub-continent is in kerala cheraman juma mosque was built by its ruler in prophet's (PBUH) own lifetime and you know what percent of muslims are there after 1500 hundred years of presence of ISLAM only 26 percent. this is simply BJP and islamophobic propaganda.
Syed Muzammil being a man of academic precision corrected the lady, not on the rhetoric but technicality of Kant’s. This is what is required to further discourse.
It is impossible for “Islam” as a whole to have a reformation, because this would entail all the various sects and subsects to agree on what that reformation should be, if any, which they will never do. There is no single central source of authority in Islam who could effect such a change.
Yes religion is impossible to reform ,look at Hinduism especially in cow belt jahil Hindi states, still they discriminate Dalits as fourth class citizen of country....root is their book which bramhins can't reform.
only reform of quran then Islam reform - main problem is in quran who allowed sax slavery and teach hate for kafirs thats it - islam reform not possible - leave Islam in only way like me .
lies...lies...lies...
>Iqbal did same critique as ghazzali, ibn al haythm, kant and david hume said but this doesnot mean that they were against it but they criticize metaphysics that it is unable to prove something objectively "reason is an ought to be the slave of passion" just like what science did...the greeks also failed because they focused more on metaphysics rather than science...
>ghazzali wrote in his book what that its communal obligation and Farz e kafayah to learn natural philosophy/ science or any subject that can help community to grow... he further said its biggest crime against religion to oppse them in his last last books after becomming sufi....
>the deviation from mutazilah school and critique of greeks led to formation of scientific method by ashariah such as ibn al haythm and al biruni which later inspired rene descartes and other european scientits.
>according to quantum mechanics universe is undetermined and cuase / effect are not fundamental and we cant predict next moment with certainity and the reality is falling in certain trajectory due to observer effect....casuality is only a belief based on our past experience like what david hume says "Science is the faith that the future will behave like the past"
>Israel is backed by usa thats why its doing this other wise it even fears from iran...
>karl marx which influenced your intellectual ammar ali jan viewed interest as a form of profit derived from the exploitation of labor. and even soviet banned interests.... but you feel aversion towards moududi....
>ottoman banned printing only for arabic texts at that time turkish was written in arabic letters. printing in latin was permited. they did it to protect jobs and buisness of calligraphers....just like now people like joe biden are demanding to ban AI as it wil take jobs which may not have substitute.....
>just like religious concepts philosophical are also unbale to resolve.....
prominent neuro scientist andrew huberman says alcohol is dangerous for mental health it may cause deaths...in westren countries DMT and psychedelics which did not caused any death or severe harms are banned....
thats why we call them pseudo intellectuals....
Unless you produce more graduates from Pakistani IIT 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@nikhildeshmukh6221where r u from??
Surah Al-Kahf (18:23-24):
وَلَا تَقُولَنَّ لِشَيْءٍ إِنِّي فَاعِلٌ ذَٰلِكَ غَدًا
"I shall not say to you I will do it tomorrow."
إِلَّا أَن يَشَاءَ اللَّهُ ۚ وَاذْكُر رَّبَّكَ إِذَا نَسِيتَ وَقُلْ عَسَىٰ أَن يَهْدِيَنِ رَبِّي لِأَقْرَبَ مِنْ هَٰذَا رَشَدًا
"Except if Allah wills. And remember your Lord when you forget and say, 'Perhaps my Lord will guide me to what is nearer than this to right conduct.'"
Urdu Translation:
"کہنے والا نہ کہوں گا کہ میں کل اس کام کو کر دوں گا،
مگر جب تک خدا نے چاہا۔ اور اس کا یاد کرو، جب تم بھول جاؤ اور کہو کہ شاید میرا رب مجھے اس سے زیادہ بہتر راہ دکھا دے۔"
Science and Islam don’t go together !! 😂
Education - at every level - in this country is driven by economics. Institutions exist not to produce knowledge but to increase profits. I say this as one who has been teaching in the recent past.
Science, Medicine, Mathematics existed in Bharat centuries ago before Islam came into existence
So what happened then....how did bharat miss the bus?
Bhai tumlog railway lines par to potty karte firte ho, toilets hai nahi, literacy rate abhi bhi 3rd world country waala hai, communal violence ke incidents aate rehte hai.
Kis baat ka proud hai? Abhi bhi developing economy ho, unlike ISRO jisne exceptionally kaam kiya hai
@@atrauli Victim cards, just how Islamists used to play
People in the Sanatan tradition "convert" or change their mode of worship all the time. In the same family, one member might be an Arya Samaji, another a Vaishnav, still another a Shaivite. It is no big deal even if someone becomes an atheist. But none of these "converts" pretend that their cultural ancestry is now different. Muslims are unique in this respect. After conversion, they pretend that they are somehow descended from or have a connection with Arab learning of the 7th Century.
My two favorite people together, I can listen to them for hours
*_Pervez Hoodbhouy Ko Samjh Agya Ki Ab Vo Buddhe Hogye. Ab Jannat Ki Taiyari Suru.😂Soft Molvi Banna Suru.😂Hndu Nafrat Se Jannat Milegi😂._*
He has become typical Pakistani liberal. Who always talk abt India b4 talking abt anything abt pakistan. Often talks more abt Indian Muslims and rarely abt Hindus in pakistan .
He lives in pakistan has He done anything for pakistani Hindus . NO 😂😂 I like this muzammil guy who atleast focus on pakistan and doesn't talk abt India abt which he doesn't know much
@@GuzzarAwan Exactly . typical Pakistani liberal . And there in lies the problem with muslims of the subcontinent . They are not inward looking . They keep finding what issues Hindus and others are having . They know it is impossible to reform the society . So find fault with other communities, and mix it up and feed your community . No clear vision , no stated goals for the community .
Prof .Hoodbhoy talks about Ram and questioned his origin which is fine , but he cannot do the same to Allah/Rasool and that is exactly what is ailing this community all over the world and will continue to ail with no end in sight .
Hi andhbhkt from cow belt jahil Hindi state, apne state ko sudhar lo kachara he ek no ka....Pakistan aur uslims ke alava kuch aur bat Karo
Mr Hoodbhouy is Hindu/India hater.
Perfect 👍
Regardless of whether Indians appreciate it or not, the Muslim Golden Age will always be recognized as a significant era, and their contributions to science and technology will continue to be celebrated globally. Their invaluable service to humanity is an undeniable fact.
Jis golden period ki tum bat kr rhe ho us period me tumare ancestors ki jbr dasti topiya kt rhi thi😂😂
koi golden period nahi tha yeh sab jizya period tha.
that golden period was when musalmaan converted to murtads and munafiqs. And then again they went into musalmaan mode... 😅
Hi bro UP se ho ya Bihar se
....aise andhbhakt wahi se paye jate he ... Cow belt jahil Hindi states with their communal ideology of one nation theory aka hindutva
Kaun si topi? 😅
@@nikhildeshmukh6221 Fake ID of Kafir, Mohammad was also Fake, Hypocrite 😁😁
Great discussion 👍
Algebra was invented by Greeks, Babylonians, Indians, and Chinese. Al-Khwarizmi who was the father of algebra actually modified and translated the works of Greeks, Babylonians and Indians, and he was not an Arab, he was a Khwarizmian from Greater Persia.
It tells how much brainwashed you are by modi and your textbooks
True brother 😊
True but they never accepted.
Algebra was developed by the ancient Indians🇮🇳 not by the muslims (Arabs), Al Khwarizmi just copied Indian system of Mathematics and introduced that to the Europeans...
Sridhar Acharya first discovered Algebra in Bharat at 600 BC . Sridhar Acharya first calculate value of x in binomial equation. But Sridhar Acharya was a Hindu monk. He also first separated algebra from arithmetic and geometry.
Pervaz hoodboy is just a bookworm , he is just a frog in d pond. 😂😂😂
Wonderful interaction ❤
Muzammil turned Pro Islamic because of Modi Jee.
What Modi did to him...
@@maheshA1316 Nothing, Mostly these Intellectuals are anti religion because they are rich elites who want to keep in power by any means. After BJP success they lost their partners in India so they are furious and want to use common Muslims as bait again.
Pakistaniyon ke liye toh Modi ji hi sab kar rahe hain😂😂😂
Ha ha ha.
Modiji sabka tight karke rakhe hain
A very fascinating intellectual and progressive discussion. 😊
Md jinnah was superhero to divide green from india ..
Yes there should have been three nation theory.......one for secular India , second for green cancer and third for orange cancer of UP bihari cow belt jahil Hindi states
The two most important men in Pakistan right now.
Just like any other channel, Indians watch this channel more than Pakistanis.
Why so?
Keep your friends close. Keep your enemies closer.
We love comedies 😂
Because we love entertainment ❤😂
well one reason could be they enjoy great internet plans which don't burn a hole in the pocket.
So nice of you sir
Love you❤
As an Hindu I am feeling proud 🙏
99% Pakistani wants Pakistan a Islamic nation but all Pakistani wants India a secular nation hypocrisy lvl 100%😂
proud of who? 😂😂😂 your stone gods?
@@jetbllackwings Hindu worship rivers trees and nature without them humans are nothing
@@jetbllackwings Hindus and India oldest living civilization Greek, Romans, Mayan and Sumerian died and lost but we will going strong
@@jetbllackwingskaba is also stone
Love and respect from south Punjab Bahawalnagar
Sir please tell Dr pervez to seek urgently medical check up he is getting blockages thank you
Great video, thank you very much , note to self(nts) watched all in it 1:04:05
Enjoyed this session and learnt more about your country Pakistan.
You both are my favourite Pakistanis and I was delighted to see both of you on the same stage.
I would like to tell Dr. Hoodboy that his thoughts about India going Pakistan way due to religious intolerance etc are not correct. It is true that in the last couple of decades religion here is becoming more prominent. But it cannot go into our blood. It will always remain on the surface. They can win the elections by using religion but for us religion and science is like oil and water. Not like Pakistan where you have made it like milk and water.
You might have seen the pictures of ISRO scientists, majority of them were female. While working in space centre they come with Tilak on their foreheads and before any important operations do Pooja. And this worship is done for all the faiths including Muslim.
Sir, I can tell you with very high confidence that India can never go Pakistan way, never.
I hope some day I would be able to drive into Lahore or Islamabad or you be my guest in Bombay ( I still call it Bombay) and we could talk to each other face-to-face.
Love from India!
Dialogues are necessary to educate the youth and aware. Well-done
Modi is trying hard to reform the Islamic radical mindset.
Quality discussion. Thanks.
19:49 so destruction started from here😢😢😢😢😢
Algebra was the findings of Indian sage Bhaskaracharya not that of Egyptians.It is time world recognises the original finders of any concept not the plagerised version
it takes one google search to find out Muhammad ibn Musa Al-Khwarizmi is the founder of Algebra but you’re once again proving education is illegal in india and you only use the internet to watch lusty tseries video.
Algebra was developed by the ancient Indians🇮🇳 not by the muslims (Arabs), Al Khwarizmi just copied Indian system of Mathematics and introduced that to the Europeans...
Mara bukhar utar giya mood acha hogiy doc ko sun ka
57:22 Hilarious part of the session 😂.In case my Bhartiya friends missed it. Do watch. From an Indian❤
Well left 😂
There was always golden age of various denomination at different times. God Bless
There was no Islamic Golden age or Islamic science... everything was from Hindu Bharat.... everything
Oh....you spoiled their party!
Algebra was developed by the ancient Indians🇮🇳 not by the muslims (Arabs), Al Khwarizmi just copied Indian system of Mathematics and introduced that to the Europeans...
جب تک رسول موجود تھے تب تک اسلام ایک مشفق اور مہربان مذہب تھا ، کیونکہ دین کا وارث موجود تھا ، پھر جب وارث دین چلا گیا تو دین پہ وارثین کی جگہ قابضین آگئے اور اس وقت سے لے کر آج تک دین کی جو شکل ہے وہ سب کے سامنے ہے ،
اور ایسا تمام اسلامی ممالک کی صورتحال ہے ،
اسی طرح دیگر مزاہب کے ساتھ بھی ماضی میں ہوچکا ہے ،،
لیکن اب غیر مسلم انسانیت کے پلیٹ فارم پہ کام کررہے ہیں ،
آپ کی گفتگو اس لئے دل جو لگتی ہے کہ اس میں عقلی و منطقی دلائل ہوتے ہیں ،
پروردگار آپ کو صحت و سلامتی عطا فرمائے آمین
Muzammil ko sun ne aaya tha, vapis jaa rha hun
Bro wapas kyon jaa rahe ho😅
@@manishkumaryadav3315 bol koi aur raha hai
@@pranavkanwar7052 Bhai hamein lagta hai ki wo topic hi yahi tha conversation ka haan biased zaroor laga aur objectivity kam lagi
Muzammil ko nahi, tum tanatani log Pakistani liberals ke muh se Pakistan ki burai sunane aate ho....apne. Cow belt jahil Hindi states ko sudhar lo......waha pe liberals ko gaali aur Pakistan ke liberals ko sunana he....apne yaha Yogi bhogi chahiye with their communal ideology of hindutva hateful
Bade besabri ho yaar
Muzzamil, there is more wisdom in the two questions @ 41.10 and 44.25 than in the entire discourse by Hoodbhoy. If many in Pakistan will understand these questions, I’m not talking of the answers to those, your job will be better served. Guys like Hoodbhoy represent the exact nature of progress in Pakistan. They just move a few steps and then standstill. They don’t proceed further themselves like your country, instead they block anyone from proceeding!
Is he a genius physicist who has given thought provoking talks on string theory or he is just the best that Pakistan can do?
dr Hoodbhoy has disclosed his mindset in the opening remarks.
talking about golden age of islam rather than pakistan/west india or india that itself shows how deep is identity crysis is
West India?
Shows how deep sh*t History lessons are in India.
There was no country called India before British rule.
The subcontinent was divided into many kingdoms, often fighting with each other.
You will find nothing in common between a Kasmiri/KPK with Tamilian or Bengali. They dont even speak mutually intelligable languages.
All the dreams of Hindus of uniting India under one language one culture one religion will fall flat and if pushed, will lead to breakdown.
LOL!!! fakers!!!
Our two gems of this Subcontinent. My two ustads ❤
There was no Muslim golden age ...it was persian golden age 🇮🇳 🇮🇳 🇮🇳 🇮🇳
That is the actual problem. Why he said we can't change what in the book.
We definitely should...
only reform of quran then Islam reform - main problem is in quran who allowed sax slavery and teach hate for kafirs thats it - islam reform not possible - leave Islam in only way like me .
😂😂😂😂😂what is there to reform buddy????
@@HarinderSahota-r7n hate for kafir - quran says non muslim are wrost creature just becasue they not follow islam , sax slavery ban , muhammad sunnat - that make people lust full . lots refrom needed .
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What a lovely first question by someone from the audience!
Thehzeeb in Islam? What a joke😂😂😂😂
Tehzeeb in Hinduism 😂😂😂😂😂😂 what a joke 🤣🤣😂🤣🤣 ooo
Har Kita billa or soor tumara khuda ho Sakta hy 😂😅😂😂😂😂😂😂
साइंस तो सत्य की खोज है , व सत्य अनंत है ।💐💐🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
Great talk
First of all if there was no basic education then how a Muslim can become a scientific thinkers in ur so called golden age?