the world is on a recession, if you check what is happening to the industry in general it makes sense. If people didnt buy psrvr2 with Gran turismo , RE and call of the mountain I believe the reason is the price, and also not knowing how amazing it is. I bought mine with guilt because it is expensive but now after trying it I think it was cheap.
For the hardware I'm sure it's reasonably priced, I understand that eye tracking tech is not cheap. But to the average consumer they see it as being a peripheral that's more expensive than the console and their psychological response is that that isn't right. Regardless of the tech inside unfortunately.
1) Sony hasn't mentioned PS Portal sales either, and there hasn't been much marketing. But we know it's been sold out. Lack of publicized stats doesn't imply anything. 2) Its the start of 2024, and there are 60+ games already announced for PSVR2, with Astro rumoured. If we don't see further big announcements in 2024, then we can talk. 3) The media was SCREAMING for PC PSVR1/2 support for the last 8 years, and now it's being seen as a sign of weakness. I think the media is, once again, dumping on PSVR, and dragging others into the doom and gloom. This has been going on for almost a decade. The goalposts keep shifting. What's good for another vendor (eg. Meta) is bad for Sony. Sony has 7 exclusives (5 which are top tier) in its first year and 130+ games, but it strangely "doesn't have games".
1. Portal isn't it's own platform with its own titles. It plays all PS5 games so never has to worry about support. 2. Rumours aren't going to sell headsets. 60 games with most of them being Quest ports that don't take full advantage of the PSVR2/PS5 hardware isn't enough for me. 3. I haven't seen many scream for PCVR support in the media, but I haven't seen many call it a weakness yet either. But maybe they are. I agree that the media in general will just crap on PSVR2 regardless. Year 1 was amazing and they pretended it wasn't.
@@PetrifyingPumpkins 1. That's true, but it suggests that lack of statistic reporting is not a sign of health. 2. I get that. Many users are suggesting that PS5 has also had too little marketing, and have fears for exclusives. This seems to be the way Playstation was being marketed in general. The last few weeks has seen a significant uptick in marketing and announcements for PSVR2. 3. The original PSVRs weakness was seen to be a lack of PC support, and it was heavily discussed at the start of PSVR2 (the claim of "screaming" was a bit too emphatic for PSVR2, but fitting for PSVR1). The media advocated for this, particularly because (at the time) PSVR2 had a high resolution, OLED, and foveated rendering, and the best PCVR had was Index: an aging VR headset. I agree. Year 1 PSVR2 was actually insane if you put it into perspecitve. It's clear that Quest is the darling, and PSVR is the unwanted child. Only PSVR influencers talked much about RE4, it was largely ignored, and was one of 2023's biggest releases. But it's easy to find information about Quest OS updates...
@@SeanLumly Yknow I'm not even convinced the Portal has sold that well. I know it was sold out a lot but do we know how many were produced? The Steam Deck got a lot of praise and was often sold out too but I remember being surprised at how little it has actually sold. Sony like to brag about sales when they're impressive.
@@PetrifyingPumpkins Yeah, being sold out doesn't imply selling well. But you raise a VERY IMPORTANT point that is relevant here: the general "feelings" about something in media or user conversation, doesn't necessarily reflect the reality surrounding it! This is so often the case. Even the PS5 is selling in record numbers, fans loving Spiderman 2, Helldivers, etc, and Sony is at the same time, reporting profitability problems to shareholders. People think the majority of XBox's ABK acquisition revenue was from consoles/pc, but their balance sheet suggests its from mobile devices. We have to wait for impartial information to make reasonable judgements: we shouldn't lean into our intuitions too much...
@@SeanLumly true but I'm not solely relying on Sony's silence. I think when you combine it with those Amazon holiday sales that show Quest 2/3 outselling PSVR2 by a rate of 30:1, it's difficult to believe it's selling well. You also have indie devs shying away from it now with Rec Room devs saying no and the Contractors devs refusing to say yes.
we're like sony's side piece, trying to get some attention while all they care about is their flat wife. we were just a fling. I wonder if they'll ever have the heart to tell us.
@@delgat000I think we're side piece who comes from a wealthy family who stands to inherit a sizable fortune one day so Sony keep us around for now, just in case.
These are all commercially led decisions. We don’t have it because the cost to make it is too high compared to the install bad. It’s a VR industry wide problem….but it’s slowly getting better as the technology is getting cheaper.
I like Killzone, but not a single game in the franchise as sold 3m units (as far as I can see). I'm not sure it'd sell as many headsets as people think.
Sony published that crappy game, and I'm betting FCE asked them for more time to improve it before launch. Sony, through budget approval and milestone payments, likely had a lot to do with it launching in the state it did. They would also be the company to decide whether it'd have a public beta or not (at least if FCE asked). They also killed it after only a few months, even though the game had been improving. Some of the issues were definitely caused by out-of-touch design decisions from FCE, but Sony don't get to wash their hands of many of FWU's failures and its ultimate demise.
for me Im looking for Metro Awakening & Wanderer! I have a suspicion MGS Delta might have VR (based on nothing) 😅 But now that Im post Feb22... Im hoping PlayStation PCVR will allow me to finally do Half life Alyx.. but hopefully still have haptics. I also know you recorded BEFORE the announcements but .. now that we know PlayStation is going PCVR... I think a price cut is out of the question until at least 6 months after they can get that pcvr infrastructure. Thats a market that until quest 2/3 ... had to shell out 1k USD for only the VR headset. Unless it's a very short flash sale. I think the psvr2 price will stay steady
I said myself in the video there are still games I'm looking to. Phasmophobia and Aces especially. But it's the TLOUs and GTAs of this world that move hardware. We need a promise of more heavy hitters.
@@PetrifyingPumpkins I agree. It would have been nice to get Spiderman 2 / god of war vr modes, because then I might have bought those games. Still I guess we will get to play those games modded into VR on PC and possibly using our psvr2 headsets now! Following today's announcement.
Similar thing happened to the PS Vita. Strong support from 1st and 3rd parties in the first year that fell off quickly after that. Vita is still remembered fondly due to the many smaller profile titles in subsequent years. The original PSVR never really had strong AAA support but still went on to have a lode of great smaller experiences. I probably have 100 titles for the original.
Yes, a price cut is desperately needed, as is some sort of statement about their future support for the headset. They don't even need to lay out a roadmap, just make a vague general statement about how many games they have in production with VR support (they've done similar statements about new IP and Live Service games), or how many games they're "partnering with" (paying) other studios to bring to VR. Another thing that'd help massively with the public's perception of Sony's lack of support for PSVR 2 is... ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT HOW THEY'RE SUPPORTING IT! Most people don't know Sony paid Capcom for the two RE VR ports, or that they funded Synapse, and partially funded Switchback, and paid for the final year of Legendary Tales' development, and helped finance a bunch of the other indie games that've come to PSVR 2. To the uninformed consumer (or games journalist), it just looks like Sony made 1 VR game and ported 1 year-old game to VR at the headset's launch, then abandoned the hardware for the rest of the year, with no sign they're ever coming back. That's really not a good look, and it could be dispelled SO EASILY! Sony's utter incompetence in how they're handling this is absolutely mind-boggling. Hopefully there's some big announcements today. It needs them. I'm happy for anyone who's enjoying their PSVR 2. It seems like there are plenty of games to play once you have one. But the current lineup of games isn't drawing in a big enough audience at this price point. Maybe it'd be good enough if the headset cost $450. Only one way to find out! As for Hybrid games, I agree they're a big draw, and make a lot of economic sense. The only issue is when the VR version comes out 9 months after the flat release, a lot of players are already done with the game. If they've never tried VR before, they won't be enticed to buy a headset to re-play a game they've already played to death because they don't understand how VR would enhance the experience. The closer to the initial release, the better. To that end, I think Sony should have asked Capcom to skip RE Village VR and work on getting VR support in RE4 Remake when it launched. It would've moved more headsets that way, instead of getting two VR modes for two games that most players had already put back on the shelf. They could've always gone back to add VR support to Village afterward. Personally I think spinoff games have more potential to draw people into VR, because they're unique to the medium. They can also be made for less money than a comparable quality unique game since they can utilize assets from flat releases in the franchise. They would cost more than hybrids though. Maybe a happy medium would be if companies added some unique VR content to hybrid games, sort of a Hybrid+ model. It wouldn't have to be much, maybe just a level or two, or a few sequences during the main game with gameplay unique to VR. Now I'm really dreaming though. We don't even have enough hybrids and I'm asking for companies to go beyond even that... 🤣
I agree with most of this. I'd nearly argue though that the addition of motion controls to hybrid games like RE4/8 almost feel like additional content, and almost make those games feel like they were built for VR in the first place to a degree.
sony could easily have all ps5 games available in vr at extra cost and the psvr2 will thrive.... yes hybrid is a no Brainer at this point... whe will sony figure that out?
Well it would definitely be an additional cost as it's not as simple as dragging and dropping a VR file into the game somewhere. RE4 took Capcom about 9 months of dev time. But they should be doing more for sure.
I want Contracters for PSVR 2. think it's time me and my fellow geeks pay a visit to the Devs and demand it for PSVR 2 or they going to be swimming with the fishes🤣
Rumor has it Sony is working to ad support for PC on PSVR2? That'd be huge if they do that. Opening up to PC will introduce it to more people and access to a ton more games.
PSVR2 1st birthday is coming. Everbody talking (again) about some huuuuuuge announcements waiting for us for VR2... well i am afraid, it will be simply: nothing. I wonder where they get that enthusiasm from. For sure not because Sony gave them good reason to do so. Well lets keep the fingers crossed. But i think they simply will make a blogpost at best how cool PSVR2 is - and thats it. At best.
For PSVR1's 2 year anniversary they announced Borderlands 2 VR and some other stuff via blogpost. I'm not saying something big is guaranteed to happen today, but there's a chance.
Sony just doesn't have the money to throw at vr like Meta & Apple etc. I'm afraid you'll be better off joining the Quest family as it's so well supported. Looking forward to the Quest 4,5,6,7,8. Maybe Sony will have another go when its more mainstream in 5-7 years.
@@PetrifyingPumpkins Or maybe the Meta Lg pro now announced for the first part of 2015. That's gonna be highend. Google are making one with Samsung as well apparently so it's looking bright. With the latest news about Sony, I'd say the psvr2 is all but dead now sadly:/
Sony have always had the knack of saying nothing about it's VR, you get the feeling it's Sony's dirty little secret LOL Looking in from the PCVR side I'm happy to anounce theres a lot of titles over here in our lush green dew ladend medows (I'm joking) that are headed over to the PSVR2, theres been a shift with the Quest 3 improved performance that brings it closer to PSVR and PCVR and firing off a playstation version is an easy extra revinue stream, recently you've seen that with Pavlov and Breachers, but theres a heap of stuff in the works. You mentioned the price and I think that was it's biggest issue, little jimmy wants VR, little jimmys getting a quest as it's a lot cheaper! VR is still not mainstream, so mainstream software devs just ain't going to work with it, the money isn't there for them. Not sure it will be mainstream but it is getting bigger year on year. Keep moist ya hairy sex god ya ;) (It's Owen from various abusive chat messages by the way LOL)
I think we will start getting a lot of AAA VR hybrid surprise announcements soon. After all, they have demonstrated how fast and easy it is to port these flat AAA adaptations into PSVR2 and because of this, I am not worried about the headset. Sony has a new war and this time it's with Meta.
@@PetrifyingPumpkins Agreed. But that’s true of any VR platform at the moment. For existing owners though, lots to look forward to and opening up the headset to PCVR is pretty big
@@phar2010 well I think quite a few GT7 diehards were at least tempted to get PSVR2. games like AC Nexus/RE4 probably had some fans make the jump to VR too. These are compelling reasons to own a headset and most of them are AAA-level. A steady cadence of titles like these could do wonders.
Had an amazing first year for psvr2 some of the best vr games ever on any headset. Sometimes you have to enjoy the tasty bucket of KFC you have in front of you and not worry about how next months bucket of kfc will taste.
@@PetrifyingPumpkins depends how much you use it, people spend 600 on phones, holidays and TVs but they don't last forever. 189 games in first year is amazing at least 20 bangers. Have you played Arizona sunshine2, vertigo 2, saints and sinners2, ultra wings 2 all great games. There will be more releases this year, so far no vr platform has much announcements for this year. Chin up.
@@PetrifyingPumpkinspeople buy TVs , phones and holidays for more than 600, reality is this stuff doesn't last forever. Try to enjoy it while you can and let go of the 600, you have spent it and we prob would have all wasted the 600 on some some crap anyway at least enjoyed psvr2. Please put some sad hulk music on the video will make it happier😂
I'm not sure I understand what you mean. I don't expect them to be there year 2 necessarily (although why no Spiderman 2 vr mode?). But their next 10 years were leaked and if Sony don't have them working on PSVR2 in those 10 years, then what's the chances they have ND, SSM etc? Insomniac are best positioned to develop for the platform.
@@PetrifyingPumpkins The thing is, you could only buy PSVR2 direct from Sony for a long period of time, and by not including PSVR, is this also skewing the figures?
PS6 will sell crazy well, just like PS5. Sony has not shit on anyone. They just have not announced a ton of first party. I am sure they would want the games to come out, but they are taking a long time.
Today, they have announced the PSVR2 will be getting compatible with PCVR later this year. They also have two new 2-3P (Edit from 4P) co-op games announced with one of them releasing today (The Wizards - Dark Times: Brotherhood) and the other being a popular IP (Zombie Army VR) coming soon. Arizona Sunshine 2 has new free DLC today, plus roadmap of new horde mode maps over next three months that will all be free as well. There is also expectation that PS5 Pro will be releasing later this year, so for higher-fidelity VR, you won't have to us high-end PCVR with your PSVR2 headset. Don't have expectation of games that cost more than $100 million like PS5 gets and enjoy the games that are coming to PSVR2. There are plenty, and they are great fun.
The wizard game is 3 player coop and Zombie Army is 2 player. The DLC for AS2 today is a dog skin. No hybrids, no first party and no price cut. The PC thing is interesting, but won't really benefit current owners, not in the short term at least.
@@PetrifyingPumpkins I just assumed 4P. I read the blog post more carefully and you are correct that Wizards is 3P and Zombie Army is 2P. I have one brother I play these types of games with, so 2P is what is good enough for me. The main benefit of PC thing is that it takes one strength pillar out of the Quest vs PSVR2 FUD pieces.
@@PetrifyingPumpkins Sure, but they would be recommending a heavier system using LCD screen (inferior blacks), no HDR (inferior colors / contrast), no eye-tracking, narrower field of view, no headset haptics, and controllers without any resistive triggers, no capacitive touch on triggers, and vastly inferior haptic feedback. They would be recommending Quest 2 at much greater risk to their own credibility and they will get called out on it more.
@@cusman big outlets have free reign to talk as much misinformed crap as they want about VR in general because the VR user base is dwarfed by the unwashed masses that will blindly agree with them.
The Metro franchise is but will Metro Awakening be? Vertigo Games have been more of a AA studio so far. Maybe they make the leap to AAA with Awakening but I'm not convinced of it just yet.
Psvr2 is killing it, some people so negative towards it. Its like Ghostbusters 2 theres a sludge around the world. We need the Ghostbusters to put on some music and get the statue of liberty walking around blaring music to make people happy again.
@@PetrifyingPumpkinsif you are really worried about the 600 pricetag you should consider always staying a generation behind in gaming. You can pick up a Psvr1 and a heap of games for dirt cheap. You can see the catalogue as a whole too. Leave it to others to role the dice as may come up snake eyes.
The low sales of the hardware feels like it must have doomed this device. Whatever plans sony and biggerdevs had must have changed when reality set in. A million headsets has to be far fewer than even the least optimistic amongst us expected. The people responsible for the money bags at the large studios would not sign off on PSVR2 exclusives, maybe not even hybrid stuff… They’re in it to make money and they go where money can be made. Tbh I’ve written off this whole generation of consoles. PS5 and Xbox have been a huge bummer this gen, and we’re like 2-3 years away from the next consoles… the ps5 has peaked, and that seems CRAZY to me.. the big studios are now making games for the ps6 that comes out in 3 years… They’ve likely worked on ps6 games for a year already… Sony should do the only reasonable thing and make a standalone XR headset to compete with the quest. The more I play standalone, the less sense PCVR and console VR makes. Graphics are cool and all, but all this power really doesn’t translate into bigger games.. just better lighting and textures. Contractors Showdown runs on the quests and is a bigger game than anything that exists out there right now, regardless of platform. I think people just need to accept that VR isn’t gonna look gorgeous and that standalone headsets around 500 bucks is where it’s at. The market sure seems to indicate that. Make the PSPVR Sony… Make it standalone and compatible with the ps5 and ps6. Do eeeet! C’maaahn, doo eeeet!
Zero proof the big studios are making games for PS6. GTA 6 is coming next year for current gen. Sony has many games in development for PS5 and is releasing a Pro version this year. In a generation where Elden Ring and Baldurs Gate 3 came out, we are doing fine.
Sony has nobody to blame but themselves for the low hardware sales. They put out an expensive piece of hardware 2 months after the holidays, with almost no marketing, and it wasn't even available at most retailers or websites in some of the biggest gaming markets. You had to buy it off Sony's obscure website. Then there's the fact that Sony never announced ANY support for it beyond launch, and they still haven't spoken about supporting it, which is INSANE because they actually are. In addition to paying Capcom for the two RE ports, they funded Synapse, co-funded Switchback, and have put funding into a bunch of indie games including Legendary Tales. They just don't talk about it, which gives the impression that they abandoned it right after launch. But to be fair, the money bags at the large studios were never going to sign off on PSVR 2 exclusives or even hybrids. Sony would have to pay them for that content unless/until the install base got to the point where there was an economic case for them to do it without Sony's funding, and that'd take Quest 2 level numbers, which would always be a stretch for a headset that's dependent on external hardware. Sony isn't going to make a standalone headset because they don't want to have to split their first-party developers between two different devices. They're already having enough trouble putting out enough big first-party titles for PS5 to satisfy that audience. Splitting off first-party developers to support a standalone headset makes zero sense for Sony. Not to mention that they couldn't afford to subsidize it the way Meta is their Quest headsets, so they still wouldn't be able to compete on the basis of price/features.
It blows my mind that a corporation known for making movies released a VR headset that can't even play a stereoscopic mp4
Agree.... I want the VR cinema rooms and be able to invite friends to join me.
i know right!
the world is on a recession, if you check what is happening to the industry in general it makes sense. If people didnt buy psrvr2 with Gran turismo , RE and call of the mountain I believe the reason is the price, and also not knowing how amazing it is. I bought mine with guilt because it is expensive but now after trying it I think it was cheap.
For the hardware I'm sure it's reasonably priced, I understand that eye tracking tech is not cheap. But to the average consumer they see it as being a peripheral that's more expensive than the console and their psychological response is that that isn't right. Regardless of the tech inside unfortunately.
1) Sony hasn't mentioned PS Portal sales either, and there hasn't been much marketing. But we know it's been sold out. Lack of publicized stats doesn't imply anything.
2) Its the start of 2024, and there are 60+ games already announced for PSVR2, with Astro rumoured. If we don't see further big announcements in 2024, then we can talk.
3) The media was SCREAMING for PC PSVR1/2 support for the last 8 years, and now it's being seen as a sign of weakness.
I think the media is, once again, dumping on PSVR, and dragging others into the doom and gloom. This has been going on for almost a decade. The goalposts keep shifting. What's good for another vendor (eg. Meta) is bad for Sony. Sony has 7 exclusives (5 which are top tier) in its first year and 130+ games, but it strangely "doesn't have games".
1. Portal isn't it's own platform with its own titles. It plays all PS5 games so never has to worry about support.
2. Rumours aren't going to sell headsets. 60 games with most of them being Quest ports that don't take full advantage of the PSVR2/PS5 hardware isn't enough for me.
3. I haven't seen many scream for PCVR support in the media, but I haven't seen many call it a weakness yet either. But maybe they are.
I agree that the media in general will just crap on PSVR2 regardless. Year 1 was amazing and they pretended it wasn't.
@@PetrifyingPumpkins
1. That's true, but it suggests that lack of statistic reporting is not a sign of health.
2. I get that. Many users are suggesting that PS5 has also had too little marketing, and have fears for exclusives. This seems to be the way Playstation was being marketed in general. The last few weeks has seen a significant uptick in marketing and announcements for PSVR2.
3. The original PSVRs weakness was seen to be a lack of PC support, and it was heavily discussed at the start of PSVR2 (the claim of "screaming" was a bit too emphatic for PSVR2, but fitting for PSVR1). The media advocated for this, particularly because (at the time) PSVR2 had a high resolution, OLED, and foveated rendering, and the best PCVR had was Index: an aging VR headset.
I agree. Year 1 PSVR2 was actually insane if you put it into perspecitve.
It's clear that Quest is the darling, and PSVR is the unwanted child. Only PSVR influencers talked much about RE4, it was largely ignored, and was one of 2023's biggest releases. But it's easy to find information about Quest OS updates...
@@SeanLumly Yknow I'm not even convinced the Portal has sold that well. I know it was sold out a lot but do we know how many were produced? The Steam Deck got a lot of praise and was often sold out too but I remember being surprised at how little it has actually sold. Sony like to brag about sales when they're impressive.
@@PetrifyingPumpkins Yeah, being sold out doesn't imply selling well.
But you raise a VERY IMPORTANT point that is relevant here: the general "feelings" about something in media or user conversation, doesn't necessarily reflect the reality surrounding it! This is so often the case.
Even the PS5 is selling in record numbers, fans loving Spiderman 2, Helldivers, etc, and Sony is at the same time, reporting profitability problems to shareholders.
People think the majority of XBox's ABK acquisition revenue was from consoles/pc, but their balance sheet suggests its from mobile devices.
We have to wait for impartial information to make reasonable judgements: we shouldn't lean into our intuitions too much...
@@SeanLumly true but I'm not solely relying on Sony's silence. I think when you combine it with those Amazon holiday sales that show Quest 2/3 outselling PSVR2 by a rate of 30:1, it's difficult to believe it's selling well. You also have indie devs shying away from it now with Rec Room devs saying no and the Contractors devs refusing to say yes.
we're like sony's side piece, trying to get some attention while all they care about is their flat wife. we were just a fling. I wonder if they'll ever have the heart to tell us.
We’re more like the ugly chick Sony got drunk and partied with one night that is too embarrassed to acknowledge.
@@delgat000I think we're side piece who comes from a wealthy family who stands to inherit a sizable fortune one day so Sony keep us around for now, just in case.
GTA6 would be INSANE! Why no Spider Man VR? Huge opportunity being missed.
Even GTA5 would be pretty massive for us TBH. Especially if it included Online.
These are all commercially led decisions. We don’t have it because the cost to make it is too high compared to the install bad. It’s a VR industry wide problem….but it’s slowly getting better as the technology is getting cheaper.
If Sony releases a AAA Killzone VR Hybrid (system seller) i will get PSVR2 day 1 of release.
I like Killzone, but not a single game in the franchise as sold 3m units (as far as I can see). I'm not sure it'd sell as many headsets as people think.
Still can’t buy controllers after a year. Stick drift will kill this system in the next one.
It's bizarre at this point.
First Contact made a crappy game, not Sony's fault.
Why bother with limiting what can be released on your platform if you're still gonna allow bad games?
Sony published that crappy game, and I'm betting FCE asked them for more time to improve it before launch. Sony, through budget approval and milestone payments, likely had a lot to do with it launching in the state it did. They would also be the company to decide whether it'd have a public beta or not (at least if FCE asked). They also killed it after only a few months, even though the game had been improving.
Some of the issues were definitely caused by out-of-touch design decisions from FCE, but Sony don't get to wash their hands of many of FWU's failures and its ultimate demise.
And still can’t buy spare psvr2 controllers. Been a year and PlayStation still cba to port over their psvr1 games to psvr2 … uh oh
for me Im looking for Metro Awakening & Wanderer!
I have a suspicion MGS Delta might have VR (based on nothing) 😅
But now that Im post Feb22... Im hoping PlayStation PCVR will allow me to finally do Half life Alyx.. but hopefully still have haptics.
I also know you recorded BEFORE the announcements but .. now that we know PlayStation is going PCVR... I think a price cut is out of the question until at least 6 months after they can get that pcvr infrastructure. Thats a market that until quest 2/3 ... had to shell out 1k USD for only the VR headset.
Unless it's a very short flash sale. I think the psvr2 price will stay steady
Yes I came to the same realisation about the price cut which made me sad.
1:07 idk, I'm. Looking forward to zombie army, metro awakening, aces of thunder and particularly behemoth.
I said myself in the video there are still games I'm looking to. Phasmophobia and Aces especially. But it's the TLOUs and GTAs of this world that move hardware. We need a promise of more heavy hitters.
@@PetrifyingPumpkins I agree. It would have been nice to get Spiderman 2 / god of war vr modes, because then I might have bought those games. Still I guess we will get to play those games modded into VR on PC and possibly using our psvr2 headsets now! Following today's announcement.
@@CorporateZombi great news for those with gaming PCs for sure.
Similar thing happened to the PS Vita. Strong support from 1st and 3rd parties in the first year that fell off quickly after that. Vita is still remembered fondly due to the many smaller profile titles in subsequent years. The original PSVR never really had strong AAA support but still went on to have a lode of great smaller experiences. I probably have 100 titles for the original.
Yes, a price cut is desperately needed, as is some sort of statement about their future support for the headset. They don't even need to lay out a roadmap, just make a vague general statement about how many games they have in production with VR support (they've done similar statements about new IP and Live Service games), or how many games they're "partnering with" (paying) other studios to bring to VR.
Another thing that'd help massively with the public's perception of Sony's lack of support for PSVR 2 is... ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT HOW THEY'RE SUPPORTING IT! Most people don't know Sony paid Capcom for the two RE VR ports, or that they funded Synapse, and partially funded Switchback, and paid for the final year of Legendary Tales' development, and helped finance a bunch of the other indie games that've come to PSVR 2. To the uninformed consumer (or games journalist), it just looks like Sony made 1 VR game and ported 1 year-old game to VR at the headset's launch, then abandoned the hardware for the rest of the year, with no sign they're ever coming back. That's really not a good look, and it could be dispelled SO EASILY! Sony's utter incompetence in how they're handling this is absolutely mind-boggling.
Hopefully there's some big announcements today. It needs them. I'm happy for anyone who's enjoying their PSVR 2. It seems like there are plenty of games to play once you have one. But the current lineup of games isn't drawing in a big enough audience at this price point. Maybe it'd be good enough if the headset cost $450. Only one way to find out!
As for Hybrid games, I agree they're a big draw, and make a lot of economic sense. The only issue is when the VR version comes out 9 months after the flat release, a lot of players are already done with the game. If they've never tried VR before, they won't be enticed to buy a headset to re-play a game they've already played to death because they don't understand how VR would enhance the experience. The closer to the initial release, the better.
To that end, I think Sony should have asked Capcom to skip RE Village VR and work on getting VR support in RE4 Remake when it launched. It would've moved more headsets that way, instead of getting two VR modes for two games that most players had already put back on the shelf. They could've always gone back to add VR support to Village afterward.
Personally I think spinoff games have more potential to draw people into VR, because they're unique to the medium. They can also be made for less money than a comparable quality unique game since they can utilize assets from flat releases in the franchise. They would cost more than hybrids though. Maybe a happy medium would be if companies added some unique VR content to hybrid games, sort of a Hybrid+ model. It wouldn't have to be much, maybe just a level or two, or a few sequences during the main game with gameplay unique to VR. Now I'm really dreaming though. We don't even have enough hybrids and I'm asking for companies to go beyond even that... 🤣
I agree with most of this. I'd nearly argue though that the addition of motion controls to hybrid games like RE4/8 almost feel like additional content, and almost make those games feel like they were built for VR in the first place to a degree.
sony could easily have all ps5 games available in vr at extra cost and the psvr2 will thrive.... yes hybrid is a no Brainer at this point... whe will sony figure that out?
Well it would definitely be an additional cost as it's not as simple as dragging and dropping a VR file into the game somewhere. RE4 took Capcom about 9 months of dev time. But they should be doing more for sure.
I want Contracters for PSVR 2. think it's time me and my fellow geeks pay a visit to the Devs and demand it for PSVR 2 or they going to be swimming with the fishes🤣
Another red flag that those devs refuse to confirm a PSVR2 version 😬
@@PetrifyingPumpkins there's a place reserved in hell for those Devs if we don't get Contractors for PSVR 2
Rumor has it Sony is working to ad support for PC on PSVR2? That'd be huge if they do that. Opening up to PC will introduce it to more people and access to a ton more games.
It's officially announced since yesterday. Good news if you own a gaming PC.
@@PetrifyingPumpkins I do. I have a couple high end PCs and a PS5 but didn't get PSVR 2 yet. I may in the near future.
VR is a hard sell for any company but Sony isn't doing to bad for one year
Year 1 has been amazing, I'm not denying that.
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Astro playroom vr is supposed to be coming to psvr2
An Astrobot game would be very welcome.
PSVR2 1st birthday is coming. Everbody talking (again) about some huuuuuuge announcements waiting for us for VR2... well i am afraid, it will be simply: nothing. I wonder where they get that enthusiasm from. For sure not because Sony gave them good reason to do so.
Well lets keep the fingers crossed. But i think they simply will make a blogpost at best how cool PSVR2 is - and thats it. At best.
For PSVR1's 2 year anniversary they announced Borderlands 2 VR and some other stuff via blogpost. I'm not saying something big is guaranteed to happen today, but there's a chance.
@@PetrifyingPumpkins well then...i am ready for a surprise. lets hope for the best, but i keep expecting the worst.
Sony just doesn't have the money to throw at vr like Meta & Apple etc. I'm afraid you'll be better off joining the Quest family as it's so well supported. Looking forward to the Quest 4,5,6,7,8. Maybe Sony will have another go when its more mainstream in 5-7 years.
I might join Quest at 7 or 8
@@PetrifyingPumpkins Or maybe the Meta Lg pro now announced for the first part of 2015. That's gonna be highend. Google are making one with Samsung as well apparently so it's looking bright. With the latest news about Sony, I'd say the psvr2 is all but dead now sadly:/
Sony have always had the knack of saying nothing about it's VR, you get the feeling it's Sony's dirty little secret LOL Looking in from the PCVR side I'm happy to anounce theres a lot of titles over here in our lush green dew ladend medows (I'm joking) that are headed over to the PSVR2, theres been a shift with the Quest 3 improved performance that brings it closer to PSVR and PCVR and firing off a playstation version is an easy extra revinue stream, recently you've seen that with Pavlov and Breachers, but theres a heap of stuff in the works. You mentioned the price and I think that was it's biggest issue, little jimmy wants VR, little jimmys getting a quest as it's a lot cheaper! VR is still not mainstream, so mainstream software devs just ain't going to work with it, the money isn't there for them. Not sure it will be mainstream but it is getting bigger year on year. Keep moist ya hairy sex god ya ;) (It's Owen from various abusive chat messages by the way LOL)
Thank you Owen 😅
Even the indies are getting iffy on PSVR2 now, Rec Room say no. The Contractors Showdown devs won't commit to PSVR2 either.
@@PetrifyingPumpkins Sony as usual need a good slap, theres always that "psp" fear you have with them.
I think we will start getting a lot of AAA VR hybrid surprise announcements soon. After all, they have demonstrated how fast and easy it is to port these flat AAA adaptations into PSVR2 and because of this, I am not worried about the headset. Sony has a new war and this time it's with Meta.
I hope you're right. It'd help if they led the way with first party hybrids.
Little premature perhaps. Good batch of announcements made this morning.
I don't think any game announced today has people rushing out to buy a PSVR2.
@@PetrifyingPumpkins Agreed. But that’s true of any VR platform at the moment. For existing owners though, lots to look forward to and opening up the headset to PCVR is pretty big
@@phar2010 well I think quite a few GT7 diehards were at least tempted to get PSVR2. games like AC Nexus/RE4 probably had some fans make the jump to VR too. These are compelling reasons to own a headset and most of them are AAA-level. A steady cadence of titles like these could do wonders.
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You first, we'll watch in case the water is too cold.
Had an amazing first year for psvr2 some of the best vr games ever on any headset. Sometimes you have to enjoy the tasty bucket of KFC you have in front of you and not worry about how next months bucket of kfc will taste.
I've gotta worry, my bucket cost €600 and I expect more chicken for that kind of cash.
@@PetrifyingPumpkins depends how much you use it, people spend 600 on phones, holidays and TVs but they don't last forever. 189 games in first year is amazing at least 20 bangers. Have you played Arizona sunshine2, vertigo 2, saints and sinners2, ultra wings 2 all great games. There will be more releases this year, so far no vr platform has much announcements for this year. Chin up.
@@PetrifyingPumpkinspeople buy TVs , phones and holidays for more than 600, reality is this stuff doesn't last forever. Try to enjoy it while you can and let go of the 600, you have spent it and we prob would have all wasted the 600 on some some crap anyway at least enjoyed psvr2. Please put some sad hulk music on the video will make it happier😂
HELL YA HAPPY BIRTHDAY PSVR2!!!!!!!!
Gr8 vid 🎃 and the 'look back' at the AK (12:10) when speaking to SONY was "Pure CLASS"!!!!!
It's about sending a message
@@PetrifyingPumpkins I get it and being subtle as Ye have is quite nice! Just glad I’m not in Ur shoes, it may have not been so. 😏
(I’m a bit old skool)
Metro vr
Looking forward to it, but I'm not sure everyone is rushing out to buy a PSVR2 over it. Need more.
Pumpkins insomniac was only for quality Wolverine is cool but they only deep dive in games that’s like 2 years there not gonna carry year 2
I'm not sure I understand what you mean. I don't expect them to be there year 2 necessarily (although why no Spiderman 2 vr mode?). But their next 10 years were leaked and if Sony don't have them working on PSVR2 in those 10 years, then what's the chances they have ND, SSM etc? Insomniac are best positioned to develop for the platform.
Nice title. Great for people who know nothing about the platform. They'll take one look at the title and go, well I guess psvr2 is not worth my money.
It's my honest opinion. I'm not going to lie on behalf of a corporation.
From the clever mind that brought you "Idiot Smashes His TV Playing PSVR2".
how many quest headsets sold on sony site? make a pie chart on that and include psvr
Yeah you can buy PSVR2s in other places, but you can also buy Quests in other places so this doesn't address the concern for me.
@@PetrifyingPumpkins The thing is, you could only buy PSVR2 direct from Sony for a long period of time, and by not including PSVR, is this also skewing the figures?
@@photonutter1 that chart is from just the holiday period of 2023.
@@PetrifyingPumpkins I see you point there, but would still question the inclusion of a last gen headset
The way ps has shit on us all I’d be surprised if anyone buys a ps6
If it supports PSVR2 I'll probably get one.
PS6 will sell crazy well, just like PS5. Sony has not shit on anyone. They just have not announced a ton of first party. I am sure they would want the games to come out, but they are taking a long time.
Today, they have announced the PSVR2 will be getting compatible with PCVR later this year. They also have two new 2-3P (Edit from 4P) co-op games announced with one of them releasing today (The Wizards - Dark Times: Brotherhood) and the other being a popular IP (Zombie Army VR) coming soon. Arizona Sunshine 2 has new free DLC today, plus roadmap of new horde mode maps over next three months that will all be free as well.
There is also expectation that PS5 Pro will be releasing later this year, so for higher-fidelity VR, you won't have to us high-end PCVR with your PSVR2 headset.
Don't have expectation of games that cost more than $100 million like PS5 gets and enjoy the games that are coming to PSVR2. There are plenty, and they are great fun.
The wizard game is 3 player coop and Zombie Army is 2 player. The DLC for AS2 today is a dog skin. No hybrids, no first party and no price cut. The PC thing is interesting, but won't really benefit current owners, not in the short term at least.
@@PetrifyingPumpkins I just assumed 4P. I read the blog post more carefully and you are correct that Wizards is 3P and Zombie Army is 2P.
I have one brother I play these types of games with, so 2P is what is good enough for me.
The main benefit of PC thing is that it takes one strength pillar out of the Quest vs PSVR2 FUD pieces.
@@cusman those pieces will still probably recommend the Quest 2 due to the $299 tag.
@@PetrifyingPumpkins Sure, but they would be recommending a heavier system using LCD screen (inferior blacks), no HDR (inferior colors / contrast), no eye-tracking, narrower field of view, no headset haptics, and controllers without any resistive triggers, no capacitive touch on triggers, and vastly inferior haptic feedback.
They would be recommending Quest 2 at much greater risk to their own credibility and they will get called out on it more.
@@cusman big outlets have free reign to talk as much misinformed crap as they want about VR in general because the VR user base is dwarfed by the unwashed masses that will blindly agree with them.
Metro is definitely AAA.
The Metro franchise is but will Metro Awakening be? Vertigo Games have been more of a AA studio so far. Maybe they make the leap to AAA with Awakening but I'm not convinced of it just yet.
Psvr2 is killing it, some people so negative towards it. Its like Ghostbusters 2 theres a sludge around the world. We need the Ghostbusters to put on some music and get the statue of liberty walking around blaring music to make people happy again.
It's not killing it in sales though, and as long as sales remain low, its future is in jeopardy.
@@PetrifyingPumpkinsif you are really worried about the 600 pricetag you should consider always staying a generation behind in gaming. You can pick up a Psvr1 and a heap of games for dirt cheap. You can see the catalogue as a whole too. Leave it to others to role the dice as may come up snake eyes.
The low sales of the hardware feels like it must have doomed this device. Whatever plans sony and biggerdevs had must have changed when reality set in. A million headsets has to be far fewer than even the least optimistic amongst us expected.
The people responsible for the money bags at the large studios would not sign off on PSVR2 exclusives, maybe not even hybrid stuff… They’re in it to make money and they go where money can be made.
Tbh I’ve written off this whole generation of consoles. PS5 and Xbox have been a huge bummer this gen, and we’re like 2-3 years away from the next consoles… the ps5 has peaked, and that seems CRAZY to me.. the big studios are now making games for the ps6 that comes out in 3 years… They’ve likely worked on ps6 games for a year already…
Sony should do the only reasonable thing and make a standalone XR headset to compete with the quest. The more I play standalone, the less sense PCVR and console VR makes. Graphics are cool and all, but all this power really doesn’t translate into bigger games.. just better lighting and textures. Contractors Showdown runs on the quests and is a bigger game than anything that exists out there right now, regardless of platform. I think people just need to accept that VR isn’t gonna look gorgeous and that standalone headsets around 500 bucks is where it’s at. The market sure seems to indicate that.
Make the PSPVR Sony… Make it standalone and compatible with the ps5 and ps6. Do eeeet! C’maaahn, doo eeeet!
Zero proof the big studios are making games for PS6. GTA 6 is coming next year for current gen. Sony has many games in development for PS5 and is releasing a Pro version this year. In a generation where Elden Ring and Baldurs Gate 3 came out, we are doing fine.
Sony has nobody to blame but themselves for the low hardware sales. They put out an expensive piece of hardware 2 months after the holidays, with almost no marketing, and it wasn't even available at most retailers or websites in some of the biggest gaming markets. You had to buy it off Sony's obscure website. Then there's the fact that Sony never announced ANY support for it beyond launch, and they still haven't spoken about supporting it, which is INSANE because they actually are. In addition to paying Capcom for the two RE ports, they funded Synapse, co-funded Switchback, and have put funding into a bunch of indie games including Legendary Tales. They just don't talk about it, which gives the impression that they abandoned it right after launch.
But to be fair, the money bags at the large studios were never going to sign off on PSVR 2 exclusives or even hybrids. Sony would have to pay them for that content unless/until the install base got to the point where there was an economic case for them to do it without Sony's funding, and that'd take Quest 2 level numbers, which would always be a stretch for a headset that's dependent on external hardware.
Sony isn't going to make a standalone headset because they don't want to have to split their first-party developers between two different devices. They're already having enough trouble putting out enough big first-party titles for PS5 to satisfy that audience. Splitting off first-party developers to support a standalone headset makes zero sense for Sony. Not to mention that they couldn't afford to subsidize it the way Meta is their Quest headsets, so they still wouldn't be able to compete on the basis of price/features.