Porsche 356C Project #4: How to Time your Engine PERFECTLY!
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Ever been confused about engine timing? I go through the electrical timing with a few extra goodies thrown in!
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Hi Everyone, ever been confused about engine timing? I go through the electrical timing with a few extra goodies thrown in!
Enjoy!
I have been watching all your videos and l have learnt a lot to work on my 71 VW beetle, I would like to say your videos are the best on TH-cam.
Your video quality, camera angles, and voice over audibility and content are all excellent. A few instances of near-field focus issues, but I'm nitpicking. Defo the full five stars.
Heidi your a awesome mechanic:) Enjoyed the video.
Thanks!
I have the Innova 5568 timing light. Works great, and it even has dwell reading. It’s not really useful for setting static timing or setting points, but it’s good for double checking the dwell angle when replacing points. I see the dwell function on my timing light to be more useful on a GM type distributor, where you can adjust point with engine running.
Brilliant work - such a nice car 😍
Doing it right. Good job 👍 Franny.
Another great one Ladies. Having an adjustable timing light is great.
Great video as always very well explained a pleasure to watch😊
Thanks!
Really enjoyed this. 👍🏻
Another great and informative video. Fantastic photography getting in all the tight spaces and catching the timing marks. Thanks.
Thanks!
I have been watching your videos for a couple of years now, you are awesome! I have a 68 912.
I was confident that you would show how timing was done and looked forward to you doing so. You did even better than that! The way you recorded what the timing light did was perfect, This video was universally excellent in showing how to time an engine. This is how to do all training. You are a master of the three C's. Calm, competent, and concise! Excellent work Franny!
Thanks John! You are always so sweet :)
Wow! Thorough as always and great audio/video/editing as well. Learning something new every video. Thanks!
Thanks Pat!
You're changing the way we approach auto maintenance!!! Another master lesson in tuning.
Yea!
Great video, I loved it!
It’s always worth hearing copper washers to red and quenching them, then a good seal is guaranteed.
Your videos are excellent, just so easy to understand.
That's a great tip! I've done that before. I try to sand them smooth first. One of those washers was pretty done! That one was way easier to just replace.
Thank you so much. I just set it to 5 BTDC on my '62 S90 and it runs very smooth now 👍
Franny I wish you were my Mechanic! Your awesome! Thanks for another great training video.
Thanks Alex!
Glad to see you rolled the timing on past the 30, now I feel a lot better because I set mine to 34. I think the factory calabrations on my timing wheel are 2 degrees out anyway.
Always a joy to visit... that Ruby Red is quite a color. Been looking for a "Bra" (for lack of a better word) for the back motor compartment but I haven´t found a vendor yet here in Porscheland. This is the third time I watch Franny do this and its always nice to see this tune-up work in progress. Stay happy and healthy! I got the crows foot as well in 24 mm (for the sender) as well as for seating the crank seal in the third piece, great...saves one more expensive Porsche tool!
Always a delight to watch these programes, and on top of that I've learnt a few useful procedures today. Thanks both! Have a good weekend, John UK
You will like the next one for sure then. Lots of little nuggets. I know I learned a lot. Heidi
Nice to hear from you Heidi. Been visiting the family in Catalunya. I'm looking forward to your next one. Best wishes for you both. (Don't forget the memories) 🙂👋
Another fabulous video. You are a beacon to females everywhere reinforcing that you don't have to be male to work on cars. I learn something from every one of your videos. Keep up the excellent work.
Job well done. The engine sounds sweet :) Good tip on backing up the engine to take out the play on the gears. Thumbs up!
Thanks Freerk!
You're welcome :)
Franny, I thought I was Mr. Know-it-All about my 356C but learned why my 12-volt timing light didn't work on my 6-volt car from this video... I didn't use a ground wire between the 12-volt battery and the car as a "voltage reference" and now I will! This is the first "how-to" video on TH-cam I've used that wasn't some shade tree bubba using one hand to hold the cell phone camera using technical terms like "doo-hicky" and "thing-a-ma-jig" to describe his first time attempting a particular repair! I love your precise, correct terminology delivered in a relaxed and humble manner while never getting any schmutz on your pink sweater or catching your pearls on moving parts! You have a new fan... especially given the fact I own a 3.2 Carrera I work on myself too! P.S. I grew up in Loveland, just up the road and love the dry winter driving scenes, something I miss here in Seattle! Thanks! Darryl @ darrylsgarage.com
Darryl, this is a bit more of a vlog. We have a DIY here. th-cam.com/video/t4Vm_OLZrT0/w-d-xo.html
That extra bit of advance you put in the timing you will be able to feel in the seat of your pants. I think the owner will appreciate this. Very similat to the beetle. BTW I love the electronic points and havent messed withe old school points in years. Indy
I never miss a video from Franny... learn something new every time. Didn't know she's from Michigan, thought she was a California girl.
Lol, Florida actually :) The car is from Michigan though ;)
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Do note a lot of these switches will leak at
some point in their life, so extra sealing is needed to ensure they will not
leak. Green (290) Wicking Loctite is a good start as it will wick down around the
plastic where the outer steel body is crimped around the switch and also down
into where the electrical terminals protrude from the plastic. Doing this
in the inverted position and letting it set with the threaded portion of the
switch pointed upwards for 12--24 hrs is the way this is achieved.
Once the above has been done then wipe the
switch clean with alcohol (no sprays please) and then use some adhesive sealant
like YahmaBond, HondaBond or any adhesive sealant that is oil/gas resistant to
the areas where trans oil can leak out as described above. Let this
sit for 1--2 days and this will seal the switch nicely.
Fran is so expert to instruct all these Porsche owners out there that one can easily imagine how Porsche car repair-shop owners are throwing themselves to the ground and gnashing teeth that nobody is showing up anymore at their garage.
Greetings from brazil, very good your work. Good job.
Thanks so much!!
Hi Franny. Great video. Would love to see some video of you guys driving these cars in the video after the maintainance is done.
Will do!
Always enjoy your videos. You mentioned that the next one will be on rebuilding the Zenith carbs, will you also be doing one(please, please) on the Solex carbs? Take care and happy motoring especially in a 356.
I don't have a access to a solex, but the process is pretty much the same... Hopefully it will help...
Thank You Always Amazing !!! :)
Thanks John!
Franny kills it again! I've used her other videos to replace spark plugs and wires in my 356, adjust valves, tune my carbs, replace the VW distributor with the correct Bosch version and set the static timing. I figured out how to clean up the rough idle on my own. Now the car is idling and running better than it ever has. Had a question; when I use the timing light, I'm getting dead-on 35 degrees at 3,000 RPM but my idle is 15 degrees at 1,200 RPM (I set the idle a bit high on purpose). Is that in the range and, if not, what do I do?
That sounds about right... You won't see the static advance much above 900rpm. Probably best to set the static and just check the max at 3000rpm. Glad the videos are helpful!
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I would love to know the when, how and where you learned to do these things. I find it totally fascinating. Good luck the rest of the way and thanks for an awesome video.
Gosh... Many years ago... I cut my teeth on air-cooled Beetles. John Muir's book is amazing ;) The rest is just lots of research. Manuals, forums, etc. LOTS of trial and error (lots of the error bit as well...)
Heidi and Franny's Garage thank you! I would have guessed you grew up in a garage. Lol! You really know your stuff!
Great! I love your videos as you are always so informative, with good descriptions of what you are working on. I liked seeing the adjustable timing light being used as I never knew how they worked. I'm always amazed at how clean you keep your pink fleece, but the cars are pretty clean to start with.
Quick question, what's with the black year designation on the license plate? It appears to have been added on top of the plate.
Hi Judi, I believe that is an original plate from that year. Several states (Colorado included) will allow you to use an original plate to register the car. Ya know,... It might be an actual piece added to the plate. It isn't a sticker... I'll check next time I see the car again.
@@HeidiandFranny thanks. It looks like a metal piece. In NH you can display an older plate too, but you have to have a current one in the car IIRC.
👍 Great info on the timing.
I really enjoy these videos, very helpful.
Franny, am I correct in saying that the spark plug socket is a size 14mm for the NGK plugs.
The small green wrench you use, can I ask where you sourced this also, I like the rotating action on the head.
I'd have to go look, but it is the "bigger" sparkplug size. That little green ratchet came from Harbor Freight believe it or not. Love that little guy!
Hi again Franny, (my auto spell changed your name to Frankie last time, sorry about that.) What brand and where did you find that cute swivel drive 3/8 ratchet? Keep up the good work! I love your teaching style. Also what is the type of the NKG spark plugs that you like so much? My car is a pre A 55 coupe. When I rebuilt the engine using the maestros books in 1983 I made a few mistakes that have led to hard to find oil leaks. Loved your method of finding leaks on the Beck Spyder. Thanks Jim
Hi James, That came from Harbor Freight believe it or not... It has been great! I prefer the Iridium or the Bosch Platinum. Others say the copper work better, but for me the Bosch Platinum give a smoother idle.
recommends painting a new switch where the plastic meets the metal with SUZUKI 1207B - b4 replacement.
Great videos - I really like your personality. I really like seeing more women making car maintenance videos.
Thanks so much!
Firstly, thank you so much for your work. I've enjoyed your videos for along time and was very excited to see this series as I own a 1964 356C. There are so few instructional videos our there for these cars and this is fantastic! Question regarding this specific video, I had always thought one need to set the gap on new spark plugs. Am I mistaken? Do these plugs come with the gaps already set for the specific vehicle? I'm no expert, so please educate me! Thanks again!
Great question! I filmed a bit on the gap, but forgot to put it in?? Arg... I believe the gap is to be 0.020-0.024". I did gap these and they were closer to the 0.024" so I didn't adjust them. That tiny center pin is pretty delicate so be gentle even just testing them. Great catch!
Awesome video...But I think, could be wrong, when static timing you rotate until the points just OPEN not "close"as mentioned.. You get 6/12v on your meter when the points are opened.. You can use a screwdriver to open and close the points and watch the meter to verify this..
Really like this series, guess I'm partial to old bath tub Porsches. By the way, Champion makes a "spark plug lubricant" that is a thin dark liquid (applicator brush in the cap) that I suspect is moly or graphite. I use it for changing plugs in motor bikes' aluminum heads. Perhaps it would be more palatable to Porsche.
Please let us know how the car runs on your test "tootle".
Will do! One of the upcoming videos has my driving thoughts...
Heidi, great teaching video. Thanks. I have a question about the spark plugs? I'm a gear head probably older than you. I have a few 80's and older BMW's and we have found the Iridium spark plugs to not work very well in older engines. They don't burn as completely. We much prefer the square tip electrode like a Bosch Platinum plug uses. I'm not arguing brand here just the design style. This style is what came in these engines including this 356 engine you are working on in this video. Just saying.........
I hear ya... I've seen and heard that too... I did an A/B test with both types in our little 356 and in the 3.2 Carrera - both brand new and gapped sets and the new style plugs were noticably better in both cases... BUT of course use what you feel is the best for your car. This was just my experience. Thanks for adding your experience!
Great video as always. I hope in the Zenith Carb video you chat a bit about Ethanol fuel, what it does to these older fuel systems, and what owners can do to help protect the carbs and fuel lines for driving and storage. I think this is one of the biggest challenges to keeping our older carbureted Porsches on the road.
another great video, do you have a link to that spark plug universal joint tool?
Sorry, I don't... I got it at a swap meet actually... There has to be something like it out there or you can get a plug-in universal joint...
Have you had good luck with the iridium plugs on these older engines? I have not had good luck with anything but copper on my 83 911sc. Obviously the copper electrodes don’t last as long but in my humble opinion the copper plugs are the way to go.
I only use the iridium and platinum plugs in these engines... In both the 356 and the 3.2 (and the 308) it made a noticeable difference stabilizing the idle. That's interesting you have had bad luck with them. But, you should totally use what you feel works the best. Thanks for the comment :)
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Hello Franny, please, is this anti seize grease a cooper grease? Could you inform the composition or the brand of It? So I can search at internet. Thanks a lot.
Sorry, I put the tools in the video. It is in the description now. Permatex Anti-Seize Aluminium (not copper).
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So, If I am doing this by eye, I want the points to close concurrent with the 5d BTDC?
You should have a mark or a notch on your pully. With the distributor cap off (very important) and the ignition on you will hear the slight arc across the points. But, so easy to use a meter or a simple lightbulb.
Where did you get that extendable socket wrench?? (Forgive me if I've asked you this already!) Love the vids.
You can find those at Harbor Freight believe it or not :)
Is this all good for the '64 SC as well as the C? I replaced my '64 SC carbs with Weber 40 IDFs and the cylinders with 85 mm big bores. Does that effect the timing? It works great above 2,000 rpm but stalls out at 900 - 1,000 when coming to a stop. Just did these changes, so I'm not sure what I don't know.
Sounds like a mixture issue... It may be that your idle jets are a bit small. Hard to say. I don't think it is a timing issue. Do you have access to a local shop that can tune it for you?
I remember fiddling with those crush washers on my SC, and then when I got a '69 911E was told to throw away those crush washers when changing the plugs. Do you know why Porsche changed the procedure?
Just that the anti-sieze can mess with the conductivity... I think the crush washers should be there though... I've never heard of removing them...
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I have. The same engine analyzer ,thanks for letting me know how to use it to static time a pointless ignition ')
I don't trust the adv timing on my light so I always leave a 0 them mark the flywheel
If you know your distributor, you can always time statically with these cars...
How does this car have electronic points? It’s 6V correct? I have 65 VW beetle 6 V, are they troublesome?
Gosh, I think this car was converted to 12V but I don't remember. But I have seen 6V versions of the electronic points.
Thank you: do you know the advance degree for a 912 engine?
I think about 32 deg at max advance (2500-3000rpm)
@@HeidiandFranny thanks
hey i was curious how you got the front two spark plugs out my socket never wants to seat down in there. almost like the heat shield is in the way
My socket has a universal joint actually built into the base. It works really well. It can be a little tricky to get a normal socket in the right spot.
@@HeidiandFranny i just figured a normal socket wouldnt fit ill head to harbor freight in the morning
@@HeidiandFranny what size socket it the spark plug
@@HeidiandFranny So on the front two spark plugs there seems to be something in the way of getting the socket to even seat on the spark plug.
Franny, may I get the brand name and model number of your analog meter. If possible a link to where I can buy one. Thanks
It is an Actron CP7605. I did find one at Summit Racing: www.summitracing.com/parts/anm-cp7605
Just a kiss of Anti-Seize!:) One of those bottles could probably last me about three lifetimes of auto repair and maintenance.Franny, its so nice to see you so well dressed working on your cars, necklace and earrings included! How do you remove a smudge of grease from your clothes if you occasionally get a bit on you?
Funny, but the best I have found is the cheap clear hand soap from the dollar store. It works better than Goop, etc. and it smells nice!
Wait your from Michigan??? No way!!!!!
Well,... the car is...
Excellent video as always, but Franny, your starting to sound like my mom. She can never remember what things are called anymore, so it's this guy, and this guy, and this guy, and.......I wish you'd call out all these various "this guy's" with their proper/correct name... that'd make it easier to follow what you're really doing..
Thank you for the video. I have the exact same car and would like to know the exact spark plug you are using for this repair. From what I gather it’s the Ngk iridium ix bpr6hix 4085...can you confirm. Thanks in advance
Yup! that's it.
That drive belt is too loose.
Heidi your a awesome mechanic:) Enjoyed the video.
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