Why St. John Paul II Added The Luminous Mysteries w/ Fr. Gregory Pine O.P.
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I'm a new Catholic and I had no idea that the Luminous Mysteries were so new. They're some of my favorites.
THIS is exactly why they should be controversial for all intents and purposes they aren’t optional
@BuryMeInBabylon they are optional. You can exclusively pray the Joyful, Sorrowful, and Glorious Mysteries if you want.
I feel inclined to reply here that they are all actually optional. No one is required to pray the rosary. But given the option, would not the best option be to pray them all? God bless.
They are my favourite 🙂
The rosary is a meditation on the life of Jesus. St Dominic did say that we can meditate on any part of Jesus' life if we so choose.
Thank you for that clarification.. I hesitate to say this. Some forty years ago I was going through a really bad time . I had an apparition that was similarly described as the transfiguration whose light was so intense I could not look directly at it. A voice spoke , either externally or internally , saying why are you distressed , I am with you always. After my life turned around and I had a peace and calm Id never ever known before.
Very interesting and illuminating! (☺️) I’ve never heard that when Jesus was “lost” for three days in Jerusalem and then found by his parents, that was a foreshadow of the resurrection! I love learning things like this. The Bible is layer upon layer upon layer and so very captivating!
I prefer Bishop Sheen's explanation. Christ was not "lost." He knew where He was. Mary and Joseph had lost him. It's the closest thing our Lady could experience to relate to us being being in sin.
@@gerry30 Great clarification. Thank you.
Fr. Pine, I am a Catechist for 6th graders preparing for Confirmation. Your explanation of the Sacraments with the hemorrhaging woman is so helpful. For me it builds a concrete mental connection between the physical and spiritual nature of the Sacraments. I made a note of it to use in my class this next year. Thank the Lord for your charism of study and ability to explain our faith.
There's no reason for this to be controversial, it's a set of meditations for a devotion that itself developed over time. Pray them if you like. Or don't. We have a diversity of spiritual and prayer traditions for a reason.
The Faith given to us never develops over time. The job of the Pope is to protect and pass along the Faith as it was received.
@@kevin-gf5uz the rosary is a Medieval pious practice and not a part of the deposit of faith revealed in Sacred Scripture and Tradition.
The Luminous Mysteries neither add to nor subtract from the Deposit Of The Faith. All are in the Gospels.
Luminous Mysteries
1. Baptism of Jesus
2. Miracle at Cana
3. Proc Kingdom of God
4. The Transfiguration
5. Inst of Eucharist
Each is instructive. Jesus consents to be baptized in an act of reverence to the Father. He executes the Miracle At Cana in an act of honoring his mother as any pious son should and would if he could. He proclaims the Kingdom Of God throughout his public ministry. He was transformed on Mount Tabor before Peter, James and John. He established the Eucharist on the night before his passion.
None of this should be controversial.
Adding to the ancient practice of prayer through the most Holy Rosary is what set people's teeth on edge. I admit to being disturbed by Pope Joh Paul II making this addition. Now, I find they give me fresh insights into the Gospels.
@@Forester-The rosary was directly given to us by the Virgin Mary to st Dominic, it’s from heaven itself.
@@michaelpena8845 Watch the full episode and private revelation is not part of the deposit of faith.
I love how Matt pushes back!!! Keep doing that!! It’s helpful for all of our understanding! Thank you!
According to a talk I listened to , I think by an FSSP priest, the addition/suggestion of the luminous mysteries caused a revival in the practice of the rosary for a ton of Catholics. Even if one doesn’t like the luminous, or feels it ‘ruins the symbolism’ I will ask: is it better to pray the rosary with the luminous, or not to pray it at all? Personally, I’ll do them sometimes as an extra
How have I not realized or been told that child Jesus being lost for 3 days and found in the temple foreshadows his resurrection?!
There is so much typology in the Bible. It's fascinating.
Hearing these 10 minutes are probably the top of my month in relationship to go deep in the faith. Lots to meditate about. Eye opening. 🤯
God bless you Matt and Fr. Gregory 🙏🏻
When I had my reversion and started praying the rosary I liked and prayed the Luminous mysteries because I could relate to them because of the sacraments, he showed me and gave bread to go deeper
Our Catholic faith is incredibly rich. Try praying a full rosary including the luminous mysteries just once. It's not diabolical, its nothing to be alarmed about, its not even really a "change." It is an enriching experience. We should not be like the Pharisees and Sadducees.
We should not be like the Pharisees and Sadducees; we also should not be like the gnostics. The Pharisees and the Sadducees were blind, but they weren’t heretics. The Luminous mysteries interrupt the pattern set forth by Our Lady. The Marian Psalter (Latin: Rosarium) is about the queenship of Mary. It’s about recognizing the joys, sorrows, and glories of Our Blessed Virgin. Much of that includes her interaction with Our Lord. It was given to St. Dominic because recognition of Our Lady had fallen and we need that reminder. There are 150 Angelic Salutations, one for each of the 150 psalms. The Luminous mysteries distract from the Rosary in even more ways unmentioned. If I stuck 25 extra Lord’s Prayers, a novena to the infant Jesus, and a Litany of the Saints embedded in my routine Rosary, is it still primarily about Mary? This is the problem with the Luminous mysteries. More is not necessarily better. God bless you ♥️
@@ochem123 Nor is more necessarily diabolical.
@@lmb1931 More - in general - is not necessarily diabolical, but, in this specific case, with these specific details, it is clear. The Fatima Prayer is “more,” but Our Lady herself said to pray it; so, we pray it. Our Lady of Fatima is real. Pray to Our Lady for better discernment. God bless you ♥️
I don't like currently popular music and I find talk radio less entertaining and more stress inducing than several years ago. Therefor, I don't rea,ly need the car radio. It was off for nearly the entire trip.
I have adopted the practice of praying the Rosary on long car trips. During the five hour drive to visit my sister, I pray all 4 sets of Mysteries. I have generally prayed each set of Mysteries separately with pauses between. During the return drive of the most recent such trip, I prayed them all in a continuous stream. I do not race through the prayers, either. It takes me approximately 25 to 35 minutes to say the introductory prayers, 5 decades and the conc,using prayers. I have heard others say it takes them 12 to 15 minutes for the same Rosary. Perhaps I would go faster if I prayed all 20 decades every day but I don't know as speed in unimportant to me in this context.
I enjoyed fresh insights into nearly every Mystery so that is the way I shall pray the Rosary on any future trip... all four sets of Mysteries together.
Love the luminous mysteries! and Love Fr. Pines discussion about power proceeding out of Jesus. You all rock!
I only last year became catholic and started praying the Rosary. I prefer keeping it simple by praying the original 3 sets of mysteries, though this does give disproportionate attention to the Glorious Mysteries. All the mysteries of Christ save. He saves in His baptism and in his Resurrection. But think of all the mysteries we don't meditate on, even with the Luminous. Every little miracle and parable. I prefer narrowing it down to His Incarnation, Passion, Resurrection, and the other mysteries involved in the traditional way. After all, that's kinda what we do in Mass.
First of all, my views are traditional. Hence, I normally stick with 15 Mysteries. However, JPII didn`t make it as part of the rosary but as an addition. Have to admit, the times I do pray it under grace from Holy Spirit it feels uplifting.
If JPII didn't know what would happen after all of the distortion and degeneration after Vatican II, I would question his intelligence. He should have just introduced it as a separate Chaplet and left the Rosary intact. JPII was a much more likable version of Francis but they both were of the same mind. That's why JPII elevated him in the first place along with all of the other destroyer-bishops during his reign.
Nice to hear someone defend the luminous mysteries. I like them they are great ones to meditate on.
Just in case this video doesn't make it clear, PJII intended the Luminous Mysteries to be a devotional that uses the format of the Rosary. There are MANY such sets of prayers in our Catholic tradition. PJII never intended the Luminous Mysteries to be an official part of the Rosary, and indeed it is not.
The only official mysteries of the Rosary there will ever be are the ones our blessed mother Mary gave us through her apparition.
And these mysteries were first proposed by Saint George Preca of Malta, not by JPII himself.
I understand what you are saying, but it's also important to note that the Rosary itself is a devotional.
@@mattnieri1202 Although I very much like the idea of meditating on Jesus's teaching and healing work. I would think someone could also pray the Rosary while meditating on other scenes from the Gospels.
Amen!!!!
luminous completes the Gospels. Our Blessed Mother's gift to all of us to contemplate on every aspect of Lord's life , the greatest event in human history, when God was with us. Our Blessed Mother probably knew we Catholics are averse to reading the Gospels so here it is 'my children"
The Rosary was given, the Luminous Mysteries are not problematic in themselves but they should be considered a different chaplet not the Rosary itself.
Do you say the 2nd half of the Hail Mary during the Rosary? From what I understand that was an added after the Rosary was given. If a Pope can add on to the foundational prayer of the Rosary, why can't another Pope add a set of Mysteries?
@@Brian17177 why is it always a "gotcha" kinda conversation, Praying the Jesus Prayer or the 150 psalms on a knotted rope is a long standing tradition, the praying of 150 Hail Mary's was a tradition that came even before the apparition of our Lady to Saint Dominic, it was also called the Marian Psalter because instead of praying the 150 psalms they would pray the 150 Hail Mary's, St. JPII Didn't turn the Rosary into an obligatory 200 Hail Mary's he gave that devotion as optional because he saw fitting to do so. The 15 Mysteries do not only fit with the 150 Psalms but also with time and days of the week, first Christ comes, then he dies, then he resurrects, with the Luminous mysteries you go from resurrection (glorious on Wed) to his earthly life on Thu. It only fits with Thursday as the day of the institution of the Eucharist but it doesn't make sense chronologically, it should go, Joyful, Luminous, Sorrowful, Glorious, but if you do that you get Joyful Fridays, which is not proper. I still believe it should be as St, JPII said, Optional and a different added chaplet.
@@Brian17177An extra line is not the same as an entire set of meditations, it’s like how people sometimes add the memorare and other prayers at the end of their rosaries yet nothing in their mental prayer changes
God bless Fr. Gregory ability to teach.
For 4 yrs I went to a Latin Mass outside of the diocese and the Luminous mysteries were almost forbidden. Since I came back to the diocese, I decided to pray the Luminous mysteries again and I am so grateful for the insights into Christ's life that I have received. The rosary is not just vapid prayers, the prayers are said to put us into a state of meditation. I honestly don't get much out of a group rosary except that I love to hear all the voices together honoring our Lady.
I hesitate to say that I agree. People just seem to recite the words, rather automatically in step. And everybody wants to add extra prayers or devotions. However! I do love to be part of so many people in prayer. … and I know we benefit by the extra graces!
To add: the Mysteries of Light were first formulated by St. George Preca of Malta in 1957, and different Saints before that time has also played around with the idea of Mysteries relating to the public life of Christ, most notably St. Louis de Montfort (1673-1716).
That being said, I only pray the traditional 15 Mysteries, and meditate on the public life of Christ by reading the Gospels regularly.
Just love your sense of humor Fr. Pine😂😂😂. This entire interview was great! ❤ y’all, Kristy in Missouri ( that includes you Thursday ❤)
Fr. Gregory talking about the Lord “constraining His glory” is one of the most awe-inspiring statements I’ve ever heard. It’s got me thinking.
Our Lady's Psalter the Holy Rosary. 150 Pslams and 150 Hail Mary's. A man thought he could improve upon this perfect prayer given to us by the mother of God from God the Father?
There's more. There's also the three crowns for the three mysteries. Another thing is that the number of fish that broke the net in John 21:11 is the full number of Hail Marys in a Rosary. There were 153 fish. 150 for all the Hail Marys in the three mysteries + 3 Hail Marys for Faith, Hope, and Charity.
To add to the Rosary is to say that Mary's instructions weren't good enough.
There's nothing against the Faith in the Luminous mysteries, but they should not be said because of John Paul II. He was the man who led the interreligious Assisi World prayer meeting in 1986. He was a complete apostate. He praised all the false religions created by the devil.
I recommend watching the video, "Apocalypse Now In The Vatican". You can also check out the videos I have on my playlist.
Sincerely
I love the dynamics of the friendship between Matt and Fr. Gregory.
Love the Luminous Mysteries and Saint John Paul II’s wisdom to foresee the need to incorporate them during a period in humanity where baptism, intercession of our Blessed Mother, call to conversion, to know Christ is to be transfigured and Most importantly the Institution of the Eucharist , THE REAL PRESENCE to be known and meditated. Pray Rosary everyday and as for me I include the Luminous mystery. They are beautiful meditations.
🙏 Thank you Fr.Pine.
I'm a newly returned Catholic, but the logic for me to pray the Luminous mysteries was always simple: St. Pope John Paul ii was an incredibly pious and saintly Pope by all accounts. He said we should pray them. So we pray them.
JpII viewed the TLM as a “problem amongst the faithful that needed to be resolved” for 1960 years the only mass that existed was the TLM and now it’s a PROBLEM that needs to be FIXED???? I wouldn’t say he’s saintly on all accounts, considering he views the mass of nearly ALL the saints as problematic.
Wow that's some good stuff right there. Thank you, Fr. Pine.
I just pray the luminous mysteries every now and then when my prayers need a little extra juice
Anything and everything Christ does in the flesh he grants to all flesh. So yes, washing of the water blessed the waters and the Holy Spirit that descended on Him and the proclamation of the Father is the chrismation and adoption of all humanity as first-born sons. He initiates and distributes the Eucharist on the day before his crucifixion. He is the beginning and end of the sacramental life.
St. Cyril of Jerusalem talks about this a lot in his catechetical sermons.
Beautifully put.
The luminous mysteries are powerful
For anyone to say the luminous mysteries aren’t ‘traditional’ they’d have to be equated with the same people who first heard about the rosary in the 1300s saying it’s ‘too new, novel and not traditional…’.
The rosary and its 3 sets of mysteries were given to us by Our Lady to St Dominic. JP2 arbitrarily added them in 2002.
I love the Luminous Mysteries!
This was a gooooood episode. Love how big of a geek Fr Dalton is about the scientific evidence . His passion makes the 3hrs go by quick.
Thank you for your comments on baptism
They were authored by Saint George Preca in the mid 1950's and Saint Pope John Paul II just made them official.
I love all the mysteries. The more the merrier type of mentality. I don’t know if that should be the posture. But, I am new. Just came out of Protestant last Christmas 2023. So, I am receiving the 200 beads with an open mind. That’s all :)
Fr Pine is amazing.
Regarding Matt's question starting around 2:30 about sacraments other than the baptism, I wonder about Jesus' anointing at Bethany in Mark 14 for example as a possible tie in with the sacrament of anointing. I will have to see if the Fathers said anything about this.
When teaching the scriptural basis of the sacraments, I like to highlight Christ's command to His Apostles to "heal the sick." This is later demonstrated in James' letter as a sacramental ministry.
Mark 6:12-13
@@russbus1967 ahhh, nice catch. Thanks for that.
Traditional Holy Rosary: Joyful, Sorrowful, and Glorious
Hello, I'm wondering what priests' thoughts about Ed and Lorraine Warren are?
I love the luminous mysteries
Me too! I resisted praying them for a long time because I felt like it was messing with tradition and the rosary didn’t need augmentation. Now they are my favorite mysteries to pray.
Me too! My husband and I recently started saying them last year and I have grown to love them so much !
Regarding why the baptism...in Mathew 3:15 Jesus says allow it for now for it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.
So Jesus answers John...it would have been interesting for them to delve into how it fulfills all righteousness in this video.
Pope Benedict goes into detail about that in his Jesus of Nazareth book
Matt, Jesus didn’t institute all of the sacraments? You give Extreme Unction as an example. That sacrament is also known as the Healing of the Sick. Seems to me that the Lord did a fairly good amount of that while with us. And also, He passed that ability on the the apostles and they to their appointed Bishops.
I think Matt's point was that Christ didn't undergo EU Himself (or marriage or other sacraments) like He did with baptism. So there needs to be more explanation besides just "He underwent it to institute it".
On Baptism, it happens that it is the very first sacrament of Christian initiation, which has as effect the removal of the stain of original sin and causes filial adoption, making it the most important sacrament. It is a sacrament that anyone can administer (though this shouldn't be done ordinarily), unlike the other sacraments. Matt compares the water of Baptism to the oil of Chrismation, but there is a difference; only a Bishop can Chrismate. I believe the opinion of the Fathers that Jesus was baptized to render the waters of the world apt to baptize is on point, and probably this singular act with this singular element was necessary in order that anybody could potentially baptize, not only an ordained minister, and that the grace of remission of original sin and divine adoption would not be impeded.
Also, to point out the obvious: oil is expensive. Water is cheap and everywhere.
Christ was anointed with perfumed oil, and commented that Mary (sister of Lazarus) prepared him for burial by so doing. Arguably a type of extreme unction.
This was very helpful re: the Luminous Mysteries. Thanks, Padre.
Today's second reading of Office Reading 💯
What about the woman and the oil in the alabaster jar? Could that be viewed as an institution of extreme unction?
Is it still the Salter of Mary then? Or is it a chaplet added to the Salter?
Adding the scriptural luminous mysteries allows you to memerise a clear 20 poibt presentation of the gosple to your own soul and to be used as a clear 20 point guide to share the Gospel with others.
I pray one mystery pr day - the rest of the beads I use to pray for all kinds of other things.
THere should not be controversy here. Any complain sounds more as petty childish complain. Pray that Mystery or not, and don't judge.
How I memorized the mysteries..
Joyful = boyful; Jesus' boyhood (incarnation) and humanity
Luminous = light to the world; Jesus ministry on earth
Sorrowful = the Passion; Jesus sacrifice
Glorious = Christ's resurrection / gift of the Spirit / The Church through his disciples and mother
It is now a complete cycle, except for the second coming
Also, I was blessed to experience the death of a friend while praying the Luminous mysteries over her. She passed at the Transfiguration. Now *that* will was a life changing moment.
To my understanding, the luminous mysteries are more about glimpses of his divinity, mainly through his institution of the sacraments (baptism, marriage, and communion) along with the Transfiguration.
I like the mysteries
The rosary is so beautiful and is biblical and the luminous mystery completed the life of Christ.
I don't believe The Luminous mysteries were JP II's idea to add to Our Lady's rosary; as other things that have been added over the years. The Joyful, Sorrowful & Glorious mysteries equal the 150 psalms. That's why it's called 'Mary's Psalter'
Interesting, despite my previous comment. So, if we don't pray the Luminous mysteries, what is the cycle? I don't remember how we did it before because I was away from the Church at that time.
Joyful, sorrowful, glorious, then repeat, and then it changes on Sunday depending on the calendar, Joyful for advent, sorrowful for lent and glorious for Easter and pentecost
Monday: Joyful
Tuesday: Sorrowful
Wednesday: Glorious
Thursday: Joyful
Friday: Sorrowful
Saturday: Glorious
Sunday: Glorious (throughout the year); Joyful (Advent & Christmas); Sorrowful (Lent).
@Adam-fj9px Thank you, I like the Luminous mysteries themselves, but it feels a little strange.
@@tinalettieri I used to say the luminous mysteries but don't any more. When Our Lady appeared to St Dominic she said preach my Psalter, referring to the 150 Psalms, with the original 15 mysteries being said 10 times each there's 150. Also the days of them being said make more sense to me, starting at joyful with the annunciation, then going through sorrowful, the death, and then in the glorious the resurrection and ascension and assumption along with Sunday being unique depending on the season. I don't think there's anything wrong with the luminous mysteries themselves as they are a good thing to meditate on but perhaps if they were a separate chaplet
@@Adam-fj9px I think you're right. That's what isn't sitting quite right with me.
Jesus' baptism was also His ritual cleansing before He began His ministry (AKA priesthood). It's certain that John the Baptist didn't say: "I baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit." So the purpose of the act must have been something related to mainstream Judaism, similar to Jesus' circumcision (did God really need to be circumcised? Yes, because He came to Earth as a Jewish man and Mary and Joseph were devout Jews). Thus, a ritual cleansing before He began His priesthood that culminated in the Cross.
Why does everything have to be completely overthought about and made complicated, even turning it into something it isn’t, it’s an added mystery about the life of Jesus who we love and I personally enjoy meditating on! People can try to break down and produce theories on why Jesus was baptised and what it means forever we won’t know til we meet him, fact is he was baptised and it’s great, pray the rosary and love Jesus
The Mother of God never gave us the luminous mystery and never said to add or delete either.
Neither the rosary nor any Marian apparition is public revelation, and so there is no prohibition against altering the rosary. You don't have to pray the Luminous Mysteries if you don't want to, O White-Washed Sepulchre, and it is unbelievable to me that you would have objected to people meditating on more of the life of Christ than merely what is contained in the traditional rosary. May God forgive your arrogance and self-righhteousness.
@@tryingnottobeasmartass757 God might forgive me but it is you Angel who are being judgmental about me. If you caught the bull but the tail, it is your problem as I meant why do some people think they are better than God’s Mother and try to add anything. Just start a new prayer and do not meddle with what God and His Mother are doing as though They fall short of the truth and as though there is not more than enough confusion in the Church. Unless you are Polish, then I understand why your stupid comment.
I love the luminous mysteries.
Anything that draws me closer to Christ, matters. I dont care what mysteries.
Baptism is living water.
I love the luminous mystery, some lady called into relevant radio and said her friend doeesn't pray the luminous because she think it's associated with illuminati..some peopple come up with the most ridiculous reason not to pray the luminous mysteries.
Matt fradd
You have to get Mark Queppet on your show
He is a Catholic self development (not the surface area kind but he goes deep into the psyche) coach and is just awesome
You guys would jive really well
because he could😊
Holy Ghost
Why would a saint venerate the Quran
How can a layman know somebody's intent?
@@Brian17177 certain actions-like rape, abortion, venerating Ishmaelite “scripture”-are evil, regardless of our attempts to contextualize it with “intent.”
Jesus was baptized bcz as the son of man he was man. I don't exactly agree with all Catholic theology nor do I have to and I believe this is more correct than St Ambrose. Jesus is the man who became the Christ.
The rosary was given by Mary supernaturally to Saint Dominic and the Jesus prayer given supernaturally to the Fatima children. In my opinion No one should add or subtract anything to the rosary as it was given by our glorious Lady Mary ever Virgin. Sorry JP II.
Your opinion is noted and dismissed as irrelevant. God has spoken through the Church. Hear His voice.
@@tryingnottobeasmartass757 Did JP II say that God spoke to him and told him to change the rosary?
@@psallen5099, your opinion on whether or not it was necessary for God to speak to Pope John Paul II and tell him to change the rosary is noted and dismissed as irrelevant. Marian apparitions are not public revelation, and therefore are not binding on the faithful. The Church approves of using the Luminous Mysteries if people want to use them as part of their regular rosary. The rosary is a devotional practice, encouraged by Marian apparitions, but it's also not part of public revelation and not binding on the faithful. As long as one does not include prayers to false gods or incorporate other Pagan practices into the rosary, it can be modified greatly. If you don't like that fact, oh well. Sucks to be you, and again, your opinion is noted and dismissed as irrelevant.
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The rosary is such a traditional devotion, used by so many saints and sinners for centuries, that I will say the the original 15 mysteries. Not even a pope will make me do otherwise. His job is to hand on, not to invent new things
The Luminous Mysteries are all from Sacred Scripture. There's nothing new about them...
Pray the Holy Rosary daily. That’s most important. Gabeafterhours channel did a show on this specific topic. The Luminous Mystery is indeed beautiful. So do the Chaplet of Divine Mercy.
What about the Pope who added the 2nd half of the Hail Mary? Do you only say the first half because that addition was "invented"?
Adding the luminous mystery is one thing, but what is "outrageous" is the creation of a new rosary call "The Flame of Love" which came from an obscure Hungarian mystic cleared by 1 cardinal. Though it received a blessing from Pope Francis, I believe a blessing is different from an approval. Why need to create a new rosary ....and from an obscure source?
There have been several imprimaturs besides that from Cardinal Peter Erdo, so it's hardly obscure or cleared by one single cardinal. Pope St Paul VI even approved a prayer for the propagation of the Flame of Love movement. And it's not a new rosary really, it's the addition of a sentence to the Hail Mary. The mysteries are all the same. It is entirely up to the faithful whether they practice this or not, but it has been shown to not have any teachings contrary to the Church. I don't really see anything outrageous with it.
@@1111commandercool The propagators of the FOL are setting up a separate movement with a different statute in terms of outlook and colour for example and calling it a FOL rosary. All these they are separating into a distinct movement. My parish has a monthly rosary and a separate FOL rosary. The incharge are different too. If its just the addition of a sentence why can they just subsumed into the rosary ? Add into the rosary just like the addition of the luminous mystery . Lastly that is why I put outrageous in " ". Lastly I cannot google anything on Pope St Paul VI re FOL.
It’s not a new rosary, just sone additional prayers. It’s a private devotion that people can pray how they wish
@@magnoliam4159 then why are the promoters have a new image of Mary in green and a red head scarf with a specially dedicated statute?
@@jeremiahong248We can make images of Mary however we like as long as they are respectful, early icons of Mary were not based on apparitions. The green and red probably comes from Hungary's national colors.
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DO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE THE LUMINOUS MYSTERIES
I acknowledge them, and I find it disgusting that you would have ejected people meditating and more of the events of Jesus's life than merely what is contained in the traditional rosary.
The rosary was given to us by mother mary herself and she asked we say it everyday. She didnt forget anything when she did that, so if someone going to say their daily rosary everyday like she asked, then interchangeing for the lumious mysteries would not be fulfiiling her request. Seems to me new church is probably getting people to not say their daily rosary when reciting the luminous mysteries. 🤔
When Mary gave us the Rosary, it didn't include the Holy Mary prayer, so does that mean we're not praying the Rosary of we pray that part?
I cannot imagine Mary being angry that mysteries celebrating the ministry of her son may be prayed.
That's a bit of a stretch
For one, your name is outrageous in the context of being suspicious of The Church lol. But your being scrupulous (coming from one who suffers scruples). The way I see it, if the Pope can bind things on heaven and earth, then I highly doubt Mother Mary is in Heaven scolding St. John Paul II for giving us additional mysteries.
Modernism brought out a completely different church. New mass, new catechism, new canon law.. etc etc. Of course they'll add or change the Rosary, that's not shocking at all. I'll stick with the original 15 Mysteries that Our Lady gave us.
@brentbrandon1062 Same Mass same sacraments same church different members. So if you want to be heretical do so somewhere else.
@@TruePTcan we stop this obsession of calling anything heretical or schismatic for pointing out any differences in the church? Its not heretical to see there's a difference in the tlm and the novus ordo, just as there's a difference from them to the Eastern rites. They're still masses but that doesn't mean they're all the same because they clearly aren't
@@TruePTwhere exactly did I claim its a new church? Don't you dare accuse me of heresy. I'm stating there is a clear difference in a mass done in English to latin I'm not denying the validity of it
It also brought out the "disobedient layman pseudo-theologian" phenomenon.
@@Adam-fj9px My bad I thought OP was replying to my comment.
“Out the wazoo.” Really?!Modernism…. SMH.
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Everyone is missing the larger point...we don't need a "new rosary" in the same way we didn't need a "New Mass", New Code of Canon Law, New Catechism, and on and on... This was one more "change" and diabolical disruption from a Pope so busy traveling as global tourist and pondering "new" and "trendy" innovations (e.g. Assisi Pagan Prayer Service, World Youth Day, so-called Theology of the Body, etc.) that he never bothered to actually govern the Church while it was in chaos. The hubris of a man who decided to make up new mysteries of the rosary when the Church was begging for discipline cannot even be described. This was not a centuries-long organic development, but rather another Vatican-led "invention" from the mind of a Pope who far exceeded his mandate. He is to guard the Deposit of Faith - not innovate. Who does he think he is to make an overnight addition to an ancient devotion? Zero humility. It doesn't matter what he "intended". It was just one more change for the faithful who have endured nothing but endless change for 50+ years! Talk about spiritual abuse!
Oh, be quiet.
@@theuglydumplings3324 Sounds as if you don't have a reasoned argument to make, so how about "you be quiet" and go back to being "Luminous" or something.
I'm sorry you feel this way. You're in my prayers 🙏
Oh my gosh that people call that man a saint - is all that needs to be said about how little they understand The Catholic Church
Very presumptuous to think you can judge the state of that man's soul better than the Pope and all the Bishops in communion with him
Tell me you are protestant with out saying I am protestant.
@@josipmijic2589 sure LOL saints always go around kissing the Quran - nothing like the "head" of the Catholic Church breaking the 1st Commandment - Remember St. Fancis Xavier? He threw false idols over board at the risk of his own life...... boy the idea of a saint has sure come a long way.
@@Forester- I said he is not a saint - amoungst many things he gave worship to the Quran - this is what I am talking about - the ability to understand what a saint is - gone.
@@halleylujah247 Well I don't go around kissing the Quran. - Like you can't even make this stuff up - the bazillions of times that guy publicly gave praise and adoration to a false religion - if anyone is a Protestant around here - it is him.
Paul stated " If anyone teaches any other gospel than the the one we preached even if he be an angel from heaven heaven, let him be accursed. " The catholic church does not teach the gospel Paul taught. Paul and all of Jesus's Apostles baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. No trinity. Catholic doctrines are the doctrines of men, not of God.
May God deliver you from your heresy and falsehood.
No need to bring up Oneness Pentecostalism nonsense here. The Didache documents that the practice of the early Church was Trinitarian baptism, which includes baptism in Jesus' name. They didn't get it wrong, only those who think the Church should remain primitive have it wrong. Acts 15 indicates that the Church is meant to grow, and has the right and duty of defining the faith. The Church founded by Jesus Christ needn't worry about the qualms of a deficient sect.
@@drstewart The Didache documents were produced by an unknown author and were post Jesus's Apostles. The catholic church claims " apostolic succession " but did not follow the teachings of either Jesus or any of eHis chosen Apostles. Chapter 17 in The Book of The Revelation of Jesus Christ is where Jesus prophesied the destruction of the catholic church. He calls the catholic church " the great harlot." The Didache is simply nonauthentic catholic propaganda.
@@francissweeney7318 Lol the Didache dates to antiquity. You're right that it's Catholic because true Christianity is Catholic. Not the inventions of an apostate priest in the 1500s. I can see by your uninformed statements that you don't do history, because to do so is to see the Apostolic roots of Catholicism. The silly interpretation of Revelation 17 comes from the usual anti-Catholic sources and Jack Chick tracts. Both of which are contradicted by 2 Peter 1:20. Catholicism is Biblical, sects are deficient.
Please watch you language, Father. That was not an appropriate reference to our Lord.
please be satire
please be specific
@@samfunk8467 I'm serious.
@@john-paulgies4313 I won't repeat it. It was an extremely vulgar anatomical reference at the beginning.
Holy smokes?
Stop adding the Luminous mysteries to the rosary. I've prayed it before I knew better. There's 150 Psalms. No more. Adding more isn't going to give anything U can't get from 15 decades. 150 decades is the most I've ever done in a day. The Luminous *NOT* included
Well, lah-dee-dah! Look at you, all high and mighty, knowing better than the Magisterium and actually objecting to people meditating on different aspects of the life of Jesus Christ then those found in the traditional Rosary. What arrogance! What pride! May God deliver you from your sinful delusion and bring you into the kingdom of his beloved Son.
@@tryingnottobeasmartass757 The magisterium? What's that got to do with what constitutes a proper rosary? Like, U know what it means?And U are what? The *Real* Catholic? Hey U fool. Practically the entire Bible can be used for meditation, in whole or in part. Do U do that? But the entire Bible is not the rosary. Or do U only selectively choose what U like and then feel superior to those who don't see it the same as U? It's actually U the all high & mighty one better than everyone else. Why don't U inform yourself on what the rosary actually signifies? Here's a clue for the ignorant: It started as a form of breviary of the 150 Psalms *NOT 200.* Anything else is an additional prayer, invocation or chaplet and *NOT* part of the main body of the rosary which may be added as an aside but cannot be called the rosary proper. When U get that right U can talk. Otherwise fool's opinions are irrelevant
One important note: adding these Luminous Mysteries no longer keeps the rosary in alignment with the seasons and liturgical calendar. Our Blessed Mother taught us how to pray the rosary at Fatima. No human should be arrogant enough to think they can "improve" what God has ordained. A “full” Rosary is equal to 150 Hail Mary’s. Hence the name “Mary’s Psalter”.
What Pope St. John Paul II doesn’t mention is how the Rosary was given to Blessed Alan and St. Dominic. It was given by Mary herself. Why would he want to change it? Is Our Mother’s judgment not good enough? If these mysteries were to be included, wouldn’t Our Heavenly Mother have given them to Blessed Alan and St. Dominic? "There are also 15 graces tied with a daily recitation of 5 decades of the Rosary. These 15 graces were given to us by Mary herself. Seeing as she only gave us the Joyful, Sorrowful, and Glorious mysteries, it would make logical sense that the 15 graces are only tied with those mysteries. One grace for each mystery."