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My favorite scene in Star Wars was when Darth Vader said "No, I am your father." and Luke said "Ugh, I lost my hand and now I find out my dad is a planet-destroying maniac? Great, that's *just* what I needed to hear this morning." it was so fun and quirky it really enhanced the experience.
I have this eerie feeling that the execs at play will completely misunderstand the way this trailer is being memed. Just like Sony did with Morbius I feel they are gonna mistake the ridicule for excitement and rather than learning from a mistake they are gonna double down on it.
CEOs and higher ups in the company have a bad habit of assuming what the little customer wants rather that asking them or admitting they might be making a mistake. And whenever they DO cave, it's for the people on twitter crying out for social injustice.
The way the VA talks it reminds me of the way "influencers" in mobile game adds talk. Scripted with excitement, but with a passionless voice reading it.
@@christophergarcia4900 that's a bit unfair. Lance Reddick is also in the new Resident Evil series, and he's a good actor. The percentage of actors and actresses who have never been in a bad show or movie must be somewhere in the single digits. But, i haven't seen that particular show so i can't comment on her acting abilities. If she sounds a certain way (like an Influencer) then that's the director or whoever telling her what to sound like though, so you can't blame her for that.
Forspoken has had a cringy dialogue problem since the very first trailer they ever released. I think it's just what that writing team is going for, and it is going to ruin what seems to be a good action game.
@@blushingralseiuwu2222 There's a line between bad but charming and straight up bad. FF Chaos basically took it to Tommy Wiseau levels. This game isn't.
It went from "I might pick this up first week to avoid getting spoiled" to "I'm okay with waiting for it to hit 70% off and still may have to consider playing it" real fast.
_"I'm talking to a cuff"_ is a really strange line. When I hear "cuff" there are three things I think of: cufflinks, handcuffs and that thing doctors wrap around your arm to take your blood pressure. Nobody really uses the word to describe a large bracelet.
It's also the end of a shirt-sleeve. I know what you mean, I had the same thought when I saw that part. It's like people can't even use basic words properly anymore.
@@Memememe-is1yn oh yeah, forgot about that one. So that makes four major uses for the word, none of which involve large bracelets. But technically it's not an improper use, according to Merriam Webster, it _can_ mean a "wide metal band worn as a bracelet." It's just that absolutely nobody uses it that way, so it's more of a case of someone using very outdated definitions. The world in the game seems more medieval fantasy type, so the inhabitants might talk like that, but a modern girl from our world wouldn't.
@@themotorcyclemasswhole hey fellow teens, you should play this totes leet game it has all the hip and cool stuff us quirky teenagers love, it’s very r/wholesome100 and r/hip
I prefer a silent protagonist. I can make the voice up in my head or base it on basic grunts and hurt noises they make. If its an RPG it leads to more dialogue choices because you don't need to pay a protagonist voice actor that tends to be to big of a name with to high a price tag. Not to mention for me their can be one or two NPC's that have flat or cringe dialogue and I can get past it. It the protagonist I play as ends up like that it will ruin a game.
@@bendynamic2150 thats why I love Skyrim and Fallout 3 and 4 for having silent protagonists, its because you yourself is the one who is "speaking" the dialogues. Its way more immersive
Seems like every time I hear "mass appeal" or "broader audience" I wonder how these decision makers haven't caught on that almost *no one* wants what is "mass appeal." It's like guaranteed video game suicide to aim for broad audiences and mass appeal. It become soulless, hollow, and forgettable. Like something you've already experienced before in a dream, and forget about it just as quickly.
Two things are going on, and I blame both, (yes both) of their marketing teams: 1) They’re still too vague about the game’s story/plot. They throw attitude, sassiness, and cheekiness at us, without giving us a chance to know who this character is. 2) Their marketing teams aren’t working closely enough together. This would be their Social Media Team clashing with their Marketing Department. You’ll be surprised how disconnected both teams can be in any given company.
100%. It's like "Whoo isn't this character quippy and fun?" As if that's the only thing that should matter. What we all are wondering is "who's this character, what is the situation and why should we care?"
Worse, I think they haven't worked out who the target audience should be. Either the mktg is trying to sell the game as something it's not (i.e. TWEWY meets Twelve Kingdoms), or they made a traditional epic fantasy game with a meta, Deadpool-esque MC, so neither audience will be pleased. Neither bodes well - either it'll be a good game that dies on the vine from mishandled marketing, or it's a confused/schizo game that can't commit to one artistic/tonal direction.
But, but, but she is quirky, stunning and brave, you should love her immediately. /s I wonder how many -ists and -phobes get blamed when the game flops because of the atrocious dialogue of an insufferable MC.
All this trailer needed was a freeze frame, record scratch, Baba O'Reilly playing in the background and the character saying "Yep. That's me" since it gave me vibes of something like that from the start I had little interest in the game from the start but still hoped for nothing less than success since the start. I still do but... eh, time will tell
What you described reminds me of that Rob Schneider movie trailer gag from South Park, complete with the obnoxious voice over. This trailer is so bad it nearly gives off those same vibes.
@@MoostachedSaiyanPrince there's that too. This though was referencing a supposed cliche in movies where this is played in the beginning of some. Mumkey even made a mock up once to make his own Though notice i said "supposed" since in actuality, no such cliche exists outside of things mocking such thing. There's some examples of 2 or 3 elements being together but none with all of them
@@MoostachedSaiyanPrince _Rob Schneider is... a talking cuff! And he's about to find out just how tough life is when you're a talking cuff on the arm of a quip-happy, streetwise New Yorker trapped in a CRAZY fantasy world, who just wants to find her way home!_
"Quirky" is not a personality, and far too many characters are just that. They are quirky and got nothing else going for them, which simply makes them cringe and boring.
It's a personality trait literally by definition: "The definition of quirky is a strange or unique action or personality.". (Source: Your Dictionary). A swing and a miss, buddy. Keep trying!
This is a problem with a lot of media in general. So much of our entertainment tries to be "cool" and "hip" by trying to insert witty and quippy dialogue that only makes what they're trying to create far more lamer and annoying than if they were trying to present it earnestly and without any apologies. It seems like a symptom of people who have no faith in themselves and what they're creating. A consequence of self-loathing, if you will. Say what you will about Kingdom Hearts or Sonic, but I guarantee you they wouldn't have worked nearly as well if they were trying to be self-aware and meta about what their games are about. They have the audience they have partially *because* of how seriously they take themselves and how genuine and sincere they are with their premises. (Or with Sonic, at least initially from the days of Adventure 1 up to Black Knight.)
Man, you're right about that part of people who constantly quip and refuse to take things seriously. It really is a self-loathing defense mechanism. "If I don't confront this properly, then it'll always remain a joke haha" They accept their mediocrity and failure, and use weak comedy to deflect or ignore criticism because "Lol I wasn't being serious"
True,companies desperately trying to appease to their target audiences,or rather what they think their audience is or what they want,pretty much suits completely clueless purely relying on market research calling the shots.
On the other hand, if you're too proud of what you're making you'll probably refuse to listen to criticism of teasers and your past work and never improve or ingratiate yourself with your ideal audience. The solution is to recognize that both self-loathing and narcissism are both selfish in their own ways and to avoid thinking about yourself or your beliefs at all in favor of thinking about your audience.
Getting a strong tech demo vibe still with massive open areas and little to do, maybe? Nothing here really has me clamoring to put this on my wishlist atm.
Idk if it makes it more or less sad that this is one of the more interesting games coming out this year that I'm interested in besides Callisto and Ragnarok
@@mint5438 something being better than nothing (or other trash releases) doesn't make it good the game looks visually disinteresting, it's visually crisp but looks lacking, like an asset flip
@@MonkeGeorge This is indeed possible but there were people making similar complaints with Ghost of Tsushima when it came to the world. They thought it was dead looking and not at all impressive, and it went on to being one of the greatest games of that year. Not everything is what it seems. I personally think this trailer is doing a poor job at representing the game. I think the game itself looks good. As long as it's something really fun to play and not another Ubisoft inspired open world design, I think it will be great by default. I can live with meh characters and a weak story as long as the rest of the game is a pleasure.
The whole "I'm talking to a cuff" line was clearly meant to convey disbelief at an outrageous circumstance, but it's a video game, talking to a cuff is fairly tame. Boomers like me have been gaming for over 30 years, we've been plumbers who save princesses from massive lizards, weilded swords that shot projectiles out at full health for some reason, and bested mythical gods in hand to hand combat. A talking cufflink won't break immersion...
It is not even just the prior video game experience. Folks today are walking around speaking into Apple iWatches! The line might have felt different 10 years ago, but that behavior is completely normal now.
yeah, i dont think you guys are getting it... The player character is a normal modern day human who is transported to a new magical world. all of these things would be difficult to believe in that circumstance.
@@squirts1 its still such a weird way to say it. The dialog sounds like the character isnt in disbelief but rather is fully aware of the situation and comprehends it but simply comments on how ridiculous it is. Its weird.
@@squirts1 yeah that's part of the point, we're not getting it. They didn't convey anything that this game is really about to me. No clue if it was just like that in the trailer or if she's constantly going to buzz in your ear like Aloy with cringey dialog
@@DaBonkinator I mean It's a style that exists already... Mostly in teenage female cinema. It's not weird, it's just not your style... It's not my style either.
MCU vibe is an excellent descriptor. I've never been a fan of MCU films and they've really impacted negatively how dialogue is written in fantasy media now
@@BabyGirlTiny It's less the MCU humor itself but just the sheer amount of it in Love and Thunder. Every every single scene needs some witty quip or joke instead of letting the characters breathe. If Forspoken has some of that humor but knows when to let the characters act and lets the world showcase itself, I'm fine with the quips. If this trailer means every second line she's mouthing off, it'll get old fast.
For me, the most important thing is actually the dialogue, not the discrepancy it produces. It might be a cultural difference, I am not american and english isn't my first language, so someone explain this to me if needed, but - what I'm wondering is - is there a single person on the planet that likes this type of "stupid late elementary school coddled kid" talk? I have never seen anyone react positively to any form of media that went for this, unless it was either ironic or it was glued to a character we're supposed to be annoyed by.
@@gammaphonic I am not going to say you're wrong, but I have a hard time believing that. Quirky and campy I get, but this has issues on top of that, why would anyone like a character that is the epitome of "when this person finally dies in this horror movie, we'll all clap and cheer"?
Very very few people like this. People who are easily excited, do not think whatsoever about what they see, and only care about superficial elements. This is the kind of style used on social media like instagram by Marvel to quickly catch the attention of idiots.
Well, Juno was pretty popular. Joss Whedon had a pretty successful career using this kind of writing. There's a market for this sort of storytelling. Just look at anime. This is an isekai with the protag being an obvious Mary Sue. They basically greenlit someone's self insert fanfic.
So with the focus on the writing, one thing I want to point out is that the writing for this game was not done by Square Enix's in-house writers or any Japanese writer for that matter. The writing was outsourced to Western writers in a sort of oddball collaboration. It's not like collaborations like this haven't worked before, just look at Elden Ring, though if I recall the writing team at From Software only used GRRM to write the background lore and then they built on top of it themselves. Point being the writers on Forspoken are far from being GRRM. Amy Hennig is great, but she's hardly working alone. There are four other writers on this game as well in the form of Todd Stashwick, Gary Whitta, K-Michel Parandi, and Allison Rymer. They don't exactly have long or critically successful writing careers with the exception of Gary Whitta but the vast majority of his resume is being an editor for a news outlet. And that last person doesn't even have a Wikipedia page for me to look at, certainly never heard her name before. Point being the writing team has one large credit, and then a bunch of question marks and really no idea as to what each of them is responsible for. The dialogue itself feels like it's probably genuine to the personality of the character, but it still comes across cringy and annoying to the audience the game seems targeted at and strikes me as like, older people trying to imitate younger people because they think that's what the hip young people like most and don't get it at all. The music choices for the trailers also speak to this because they're playing licensed hip hop tracks or something over top of this fantasy action world and it's just this weird disconnect. When they play actual tracks from the games soundtrack, it works better, the licensed music just kills it.
Fully agree and the silly thing is older people shouldn’t be wondering what younger people think is “cool” and in fact no one should be communicating based on what they think anyone else thinks might be “cool” because younger or older the message becomes patently fake. People can communicate across generations by just speaking their truth. “I think this is beautiful because…” and this kind of nonsense should be consigned to the past. A “quaint” thing we used to do that’s pretty embarrassing now. Those were the old ways. Now it’s time to respect each other and speak truthfully.
yeah I think that potentially is the game soundtrack ... There are multiple indications that this is what the game is... normal modern day teenager or 20 something transported to a fantasy world who suddenly has powers... That's exactly what it sounds like is happening here. The music, the dialogue, the tone, all speak to this. Marketing hasn't been clear enough I don't think so the problem now is people projecting what they want from the game based on the visuals alone.
@@squirts1 Agreed. Had they previously established the main character is a kid, transported to another world, but somehow end up as an adult, this trailer wouldn't have been so poorly received.
@@flamerollerx01 well they have to tell us eventually. Regardless of when they did it, now or before. The result is the same I think. The initial reveals were more tech demo than actual game trailer or game reveal IMO Ultimately I think people are upset because they saw the tech demo trailers and expected, wanted, a serious game and are projecting that onto this trailer, but I have a feeling that's not what this is.
My first reaction to the trailer was “Who wrote this cringe shit” but hopefully dialogue in full game won’t have anything like this because it’s the embodiment of “How do you do fellow gamers”
@@fluxx2384 first of all, he did more than just "made his voice deeper". Second of all, no, not anyone can simply "make their voices deeper" and actually sound convincing and not cringeworthy.
The game looks incredible to be honest. However, I just know I'm going to hate playing it, because the writing just sounds so awful. In every trailer. I hate these kinds of characters; who sound like everything is such a big deal to them, but would also say some shit like "...aaaand, he's right behind me, isn't he?"
I actually think it would be great if they fully committed to the bit and filled the main character with the worst quippy dialogue possible, and all the serious characters hated her for it.
If this turns out to be a game where the player character quips all the time like in Borderlands, that would be a very different tone that what people were expecting from the game, and if the in-game dialogue is even half as cringey as the trailer had, HARD PASS. Edit: to clarify, I'm not hating on Borderlands. I love those games. The quipping totally works in that series because it supports the wacky tone the rest of the game is going for. That's not the same as Forsaken, where the tone seemed like it was going to be less goofy, more enchanting, so the quipping would be out of place.
Borderlands works because the world is wacky and vibrant despite occasional serious moments. The characters quipping works because they're all somewhere between touched and psychotic. A normal sane person being dropped into a serious and deadly dark fantasy world wouldn't be excited no matter what powers they got. That said, it would be pretty awesome if this excitement lasts all of twenty minutes before you get sacked by the big bad that plans to harvest your power via horrific torture or something. Otherwise, this character comes across like someone that knows they're in a story and that everything will work out and that's just freaking lame!
@@silverblade357 by your last lines what your describing is the 3 Failure Heroes from Rise of the Shield Hero basically In that they never truly took anything seriously until the Spirit Turtle incident because they treated everything like a game unlike Naofumi who realized quite early it was a new reality
As a Hip-Hop lover, I appreciate Yong's observation of how its being bastardized as this "instant hip" magic dust you can just sprinkle on everything. Hip-Hop can & does elevate certain moments but its being grossly overused nowadays
I literally felt this same "I'm so wacky look at this ain't this goofy" type of vibe ever since I first heard of this game. It's the same reason I've got no hype at all for that Redfall game it really kills the tone for me.
Same here. There's something very off with the voice-acting and dialogue-lines that doesn't mesh well with whatever they're trying to show us through the trailers.
Name a more iconic combination than "corporate boomers" and "killing any and all hype by pitching what they think 'kids' find quirky, hip, or cool". You can practically feel them wearing a "Dreamworks Face" as they snapped their fingers while making their pitch
@@St4rTr3v1Ut10n Yeah boomers are pretty much one foot in the grave at this point, but hey they're an easy target so lets go for it. This "cringey dialogue" is exactly how every single person between 18-25 that I work with talks like. Every time they open their mouth it has to sound like something from a tiktok clip.
I stopped what I was doing, and went onto my laptop because I had to fucking write this comment. -- STOP FUCKING OVERLY NITPICKING. This is a fucking RIDICULOUS criticism that has absolutely nothing to do with the game. The trailer fits fine, the voice is literally the voice of the character after she's been isekai'd into a new world, these are her thoughts about what the fuck is happening. ITS NOT THAT FUCKING DEEP HOLY SHIT. The gaming community is so vapid and ready to attack anything they possibly can for whatever imagined reason that it's so fucking obnoxious at this point. Lay off, get the fuck over this hate bandwagonism bullshit. You're better than this. EVERYONE should be better than this.
Ughhhhhhh noooo. Sounds like when Hollywood is trying to make a funny quirky "hip" character (How do you do fellow kids?). Nothing I have seen so far has pushed me to the point of pre-ordering. Now I don't even know if I want to purchase it until someone reviews the whole game. I have a hunch that she's going to be an annoying "hip" Mary Sue like character.
Now I'm reminded that the reviewer for Miles Morales that said he had the "Exaggerated swagger of a black teen" also said the Forspoken protagonist "flips and hops through the environment like a magical Spider-Woman".
I feel like they used the wrong voice track, like they accidentally recorded what the VA was commenting as she was reading over the lines, rather than her voicing the actual lines. Definitely a "morbin' time" moment. I hope they figure it out and make something good out of this hot mess, but given the state of the games industry of late, not optimistic about that.
Morbin time was a power rangers reference made by a twitter user, and according to knowyourmeme appears to be Rata (Rank10YGO), who is actually a comedic genius who makes Yugioh card analysis videos, and his most recent one was an hour long video of Ultrakill. It’s just that one joke has been run into the ground over the years and it was never uttered on set.
My first thoughts "no one fucking talks like that" then I watched what appears to be a high fantasy world with hip hop music... and I realized what is actually happening is that it's disconnected from anything I care about and my hype dropped to a solid 2/10
Stop lying guys!!!! I have looked at this trailer a few times and there's nothing hip hop about it. You all are being typical stereotype racist a-holes over a (GAME)!! Had this been a regular alpha white man you guys would have kept your mouths shut. I get it this isn't your normal Nathan Drake or (insert any alpha male)type game. That doesn't mean it won't live up to it's full potential. Let this game be what is first then judge the (gameplay)later is all I ask. For some reason I know what I just said will be ignored, and this game hasn't got a chance in hell. Oh well back Nathan Drake number 755.😤😤
I'm glad this topic has finally cropped up because it's something I'm getting sick of in films AND games. Where EVERYTHING has to be a joke, characters must mock and ridicule the threat they're up against ALL the time. It's like nobody takes ANYTHING seriously. Just because thats Marvel's modus operandi doesn't mean it should be the norm. It really undermines and dimishes any threat, conflict or emotion we're supposed to experience.....honestly.....why should we, the players, care if even the main protagonist(s) doesn't? I was struggling with finding any interest in Forespoken from the start and this didn't help. If thats how the dialogue is in the game as a rule....hooooo boy
Yeah. I hate this shitty trend. Nothing feels serious in movies and shows anymore. Look at the most recent example: Thor 4. Compare 4 to the first Thor. Emotional impact was on another level in the the first one because there was this serious atmosphere always at play in thag movie. Newest movie makes a joke out of itself. Why did Marvel decide to double down on this shitty trend is beyond me.
This is something that has bothered me with watching the older MCU movies, even the older ones. A little quippy is fine but they just go too far! My least favorite being the Star Wars sequel trilogy. They treat the first order like a fucking joke!
@@maklame3318 Very true and as a woman I feel really misrepresented by this trend. I know, gaming or other entertainment media are not about realism but they could at least show some variety.
I personally refer to this phenomenon as “The Marvel Effect” So awesome that everything is quirky and fun now! Why would anything ever be serious anymore? It’s for the whole family. It’s supposed to be fun!
Took the words right out my mouth, this is the same vibe you'd get from any superhero movie (mainly marvel stuff) these days. Sure it's cringe but won't matter all in all as long as the overall voice acting, and gameplay is good when it all comes together. We've had annoying protagonists before 😂, it is what it is, I can sort of block it out and still enjoy the game for what it is (if it's good that is, coz obviously I can't comment on that until I actually get my hands on the game)
It was already a thing long before Marvel-movies or anything like that. But Marvel/Disney took it, cause they saw how it actually WORKS, and ran with it, almost to a self-aware level but just embraced it. - I feel like it also came from a lot of animated movies. Cause it's just very cartoonish. And now they're just trying to make certain videogames into these blockbuster-type movies, since they know that resonates with the masses.
This. The effect is bleeding inyo all writing now and its tiring. The DnD film trailer has the exact same problem. They've admitted to copying GotG and it shows. The film does nog have its own identity.
Before it seemed rough and I was like I might pick up from a bargain bin later, to now after this trailer I'm more excited to play it sooner. I guess people have different takes and likes and I also got the Marvel Super Hero movie vibe which I do like.
I personally call it the "Wee-Waa" effect-- Wheadon-Waititi. First I saw this phenomenon was in Borderlands. It was even before wee-waa but done right.
Every time I see a video where this character speaks I lose more interest in this game. Doesn't matter how pretty it looks or how fun it appears to be. That dialogue is going to kill this game for me.
Yep. It's mega "60 year old white executives think this is what the kids are into" vibes. Really sad how annoying/unlikeable the MC seems to be because the game itself looks like it's going to have great gameplay. Honestly it might partly be the actress too as well as the writing. she comes across as a smug twat in everything I've seen her in, and her line delivery just exacerbates the already bad dialogue. She sounds like an insufferable narcissist who is just "too cool" to deal with minor annoyances like being transported to a different world and... "ugh, dragons amirite grrrrrls?"
To paraphrase a tweet from someone responding to the trailer: I wouldn’t be surprised if the actual game had a frame freeze with a record-scratch and the character’s voice narrating “This is me. You’re probably wondering how I got here.”
"I was just a regular girl trying to make it in man's world...you know, being paid less for the same work, find the courage to speak my truth, and having to live with all these white males destroying our planet"
@@michaelmonstar4276 oh yeah dude totally, I forgot CEOs don’t actually do anything and exist as the figurehead of a company with no real responsibilities
MCU vibe is the perfect way to describe it. That kind of dialogue and one-liners is why I don't go to the movies much anymore, as that's sort of the meta for script writing lately, and there's no way I'll play Forspoken if that's the voice actress' tone and dialogue style.
Same. I cannot stand how stupid and unrealistic that type of dialogue is. It lacks humanity. For me Thor: Ragnarok was the point of no return where they went full ham with that cringey shit. It is the absolute worst movie in the MCU in terms of dialogue.
Knowing the "new" Square Enix, the cuff thingy is also connected to the blockchain and you'll be able to buy NFT:s from it (such as an in-game backpack that looks like a bored ape). This is truly the future of gaming!
Like OMG...this game is like...like trying to be the "cool" kid. It's totally radical! It's magical! It's got someone who sounds like they are 12 with writing like they are 12. And did you see the graphics!! OMG it's ❤🔥! Seriously though. Square just needs to f***ing stop. Add it to the growing list of good companies who are circling the drain anymore when it comes to actually good content. And Derek mentioning Twelve Kingdoms. That was a good anime.
If you ask me, this is a result of culture shock. In Japan, people are mocking the oversaturation of getting transported into another world which is the literal translation and intent of the Ad. Especially since Square Enix is ignoring Western influence -while getting into NFTs (morons) - But everywhere else we value immersion.
To be honest here, i prefer anime style game so this game are not in my list. Kinda disapointed that Square Enix are not focusing on Final Fantasy, instead they have more focus on failed project like the recent Marvel game and this knock off isekai.
I think this is definitely representative of the final product, even back when we had that first big trailer last year I already joked that it looked like a great game to play on mute, because the main character was already being extremely annoying then.
I think that too many writers either for books, movies, tv series and games are getting the Marvel Quips Syndrome and it's honestly getting a bit too annoying to my tastes. While it was okay a lot of the Marvel movies now devolved into nothing but jokes through the whole episode/movie and it can get very exhausting. I sincerely hope Forspoken takes a closer look at the responses from this trailer and avoids falling on the same trap.
Silent Hill if it were released in 2022: "So you mean I'm trapped in my own personal hell and haunted by the freaking physical manisfestations of my inner demons? Yeah ok, gosh I hate mondays am I right?"
If that is the character's personality in the game I could endure it for perhaps the first hour, given that introduction to gameplay and gameplay would likely take up the majority of that time, and her being introduced to the world as well it makes sense. If her personality doesn't develop past that in some way then I simply can't see myself engaging with the character. If the entire game is filled with her making meta-narrative commentary, or worse, injecting modern commentary into what is meant to be another world, I can't see myself engaging with the game as a whole, nevermind the world or the characters. Edit: Also, sorry for this, but the "talking cuff" hype and the dissonance surrounding it just makes me think "This is water you can WALK ON!"
In the gameplay trailer, she quips a lot when fighting. I feel like that's gonna be super annoying by the 5th hour. Hopefully there's a toggle to shut her up.
I mean, it’s just a female Nathan Drake-like personality. It would be fine if it fit with the rest of the game, but it doesn’t and it’s pretty off putting.
Ever since they first revealed this game I always got Young Adult Novel Movie Adaptation vibes. Go back and watch the old Divergent or other similar franchise trailers and you could see a very similar approach to marketing. Considering the games protagonist and fish out of water narrative it feels like there's a very particular demographic is being appealed to here.
Exactly, they can complain about the trailer being objectively bad if you're looking at it as "a professional video game trailer editor" like it's meant to be a cookie cutter way of doing things (which is what is wrong with the gaming industry at its core imo) but they're obviously going for their own thing and add some personality into it, it's probably not aimed at someone like me but I'm sure there's a lot of people who get her personality... Which is what seems to be peoples main issue with this trailer
@@fatbroccoli8 Yea I agree. I saw this trailer and said "not for me" and moved on. Combat looks awesome but the vibe doesn't do it for me. If reviews are good I'll give it a shot later. If they're great I'll buy it on launch. Ultimately not really something to get upset about. It's cringe but obviously this game is meant for a particular gamer.
But what’s unfortunate is that demographic is maybe 8% or gamers, this is called marginalising you’re target audience by trying to appeal to a minority audience
You're very right about Kojima, I was shocked when I learnt that the Low Roar music existed before Death Stranding and not made for the game because it feels genuinely perfect for that experience. Same case with much of the Hotline Miami soundtracks.
It doesn't feel like a decision made by a person but by a market study. Like, the marketing people were clearly asked to somehow mix up Whedon-esque dialogue, those social media text overlays, and all those safe bits for that one particular commission. Otherwise I see no real human thought put into it because the idea itself appeals to literally no one.
The thing is, they could have done this well with only a slight change of tone. In the izakai genre, there's generally a panic point where the character realizes that they aren't on Earth anymore and might not ever get back. You change the tone from hip to scared, you can at least keep the drama of the situation
This reminds me of the tv commercials that used to run for Metal Gear Solid here in the U.S. I was about 10 and remember being so uninterested from watching some goofball soldier "preparing" for suicide missions by jumping in and out of boxes. The ads did nothing to show the amazing experience that MGS was, and I was lucky enough to watch an uncle play it and was shocked that it was the same game that those silly ads were about.
I stopped what I was doing, and went onto my laptop because I had to fucking write this comment. -- STOP FUCKING OVERLY NITPICKING. This is a fucking RIDICULOUS criticism that has absolutely nothing to do with the game. The trailer fits fine, the voice is literally the voice of the character after she's been isekai'd into a new world, these are her thoughts about what the fuck is happening. ITS NOT THAT FUCKING DEEP HOLY SHIT. The gaming community is so vapid and ready to attack anything they possibly can for whatever imagined reason that it's so fucking obnoxious at this point. Lay off, get the fuck over this hate bandwagonism bullshit. You're better than this. EVERYONE should be better than this.
@@lucre113 I hear you, because MGS is funny at times. But those games are mostly full of some big concepts and drama and are super cinematic. Things that could have easily been played up in an ad. Those old ads just made it look like MGS was going to be something like "Jackass". You play a dumb soldier who is going to be playing thru wacky obstacle courses like in Crash Bandicoot.
I was BLOWN away by Rocket Racoon in Guardians of the Galaxy. Let me get this straight. A RACOON that can TALK!? Animals talking in a movie, can you imagine that? I've never seen such an element being explored before in any Disney movie, or any other studio or as a literary device for that matter.
Funny enough, the dissonance between the image and sound was so great they automatically uncoupled in my brain and the trailer was just an ok gameplay vignette with a cutscene audio spliced on top.
it just reminded me of those youtubers who have a random game's gameplay in the background while they're talking about something completely unrelated to the gameplay.
Best way to make me feel like I'm a normal person thrust into a dark fantasy world that's actively trying to kill me: Having Cortana quipping and turning everything into a joke.
I hope they don't pull an isekai protag and have you get with every girl (or guy, i ain't judging) in the game even the enemies, that and the quandale dingle ass tier dialogue combined oh dear lord
I saw this one a few days back I was like no way this is an actual trailer. This felt like a parody, something Team Four Star or Takahata101's team would concoct. Like wow... what a Vibe Killer.
Honestly, reminds me of FF15. I didn’t hate that game. I did enjoy. But I paid 15 bucks. The combat was literally holding a bot run and pushing another at the right time. This combat, reminds me of that.
@@irritatingtruth9121 if you look at uncut gameplay with the HUD on there’s a surprisingly amount of menuing and changing through spells. Hopefully that translates to depth in combat and not just flash with no substance.
@@irritatingtruth9121 Eh, It's better than Hogwarts or whatever that crap game is called. It doesn't sound like the tone is right for me given the meme trailer but they did a better job of incorporating magic into an open world than the Harry Potter game on probably a lot less money.
They're trying to capture how a regular girl would react if she was suddenly flung into a magical world and finds out that she can do magic herself. But it just doesn't feel all that believable how the writing does it ~
It’s funny to see some people touting her as “how people would really react etc.” When, no if you had magic, and were forced to fight a dragon you wouldn’t be going “yippee!” you would be like Harry Potter in Goblet “I’m going to die, oh god”. I mean, imagine being forced to fight a bear using a handgun… “yippee!”
The script is not bad, it's just the voice actor can't put the soul in it. If you give this script to an actual experienced english or japanese VA, they would make the trailer much more interesting
Yeah, it doesn't feel believable at all. A real person separated from their home, all they love, and all they have built, and flung in world they don't know, that doesn't even have the same Physics as Earth, would be terrified. That's how humans are, we need the new but also some familiarity, a support network. No safety network, not knowing what to do while being confronted with challenges, having to rewrite so much of what you know and tells you how to act, means feeling helpless and walking into trauma territory.
I think this dialogue was lifted from a scene where the delivery made sense originally. PS: And if this is the case, then most trailers solve it by showing the frist snippet of the scene with the character talking, then cut away to the trailer. Then the audience understands the delivery makes sense.
These lines were said in more context in an earlier trailer which had more dialogue overall and explained or hinted at more of the story. This seems like just a teaser based on an old trailer.
Or the opposite -- show the action/gameplay first to hook the audience, then cut to the original scene on the last line of dialog to ground the audience so that they'll buy the scenes that follow. Superhero movie trailers do this, especially if it's their first movie. But honestly, I think people are thinking too much about this. It's likely the marketing team made a long version of the trailer that made sense, then are just trying to maximize their return by making a quick 30 second cut to be used on Twitter. They just grabbed the best parts of the gameplay and overlaid the audio without thinking twice, then added subtitles because most users seeing this are on mobile with no audio. I think it's unfair that people are getting the impression that this is what the game is, so hopefully when this game comes out it speaks for itself.
I stopped what I was doing, and went onto my laptop because I had to fucking write this comment. -- STOP FUCKING OVERLY NITPICKING. This is a fucking RIDICULOUS criticism that has absolutely nothing to do with the game. The trailer fits fine, the voice is literally the voice of the character after she's been isekai'd into a new world, these are her thoughts about what the fuck is happening. ITS NOT THAT FUCKING DEEP HOLY SHIT. The gaming community is so vapid and ready to attack anything they possibly can for whatever imagined reason that it's so fucking obnoxious at this point. Lay off, get the fuck over this hate bandwagonism bullshit. You're better than this. EVERYONE should be better than this.
Elden Ring's voice acting and narration is something they should really take from, i found it to be just pristine! it works extremely well and just serves to heighten the immersion to another level... non of it is over done or exaggerated, just feels natural with the settings and circumstances of it's world.
@@KTJMProductions hahaha I like that! but tbh I would have to disagree with simplifying it to that level, even if it is mumbling, it is also intentional mumbling, there is intention behind the voices of the actors and in their method of delivery, which definitely does not come off as fake nor amateurish, I mean compare it to forspoken and it's clear to see...
@@BolterityESO Hey man the voice acting is, like I said, good, but not everyone needs to whisper. You can take yourself too seriously too, and not everything needs to be gritty to be good. I think we as users of this site forget that we only make up about 15% of the gaming market. The other 85% sees a trailer and goes "oh cool" and then does other stuff with their day.
I remember this game being teased for the first time as "project Athia" and my thoughts were "this looks like a cool fantasy action game, I wonder what kind of world this will be." But I immediately lost all interest when it was officially revealed as "Forspoken" and it was revealed to be an Isekai with the generic "I HaVe SuPeR pOwErS?!?!" Shtick. There are good isekai's out there, but a lot of the time I think, why does it have to be an isekai? why can't it just be a fantasy setting? Why does MC have to keep pointing out the powers they have? To me its boring and lazy, I'd rather have just the fantasy setting with the MC already knowing about the powers and abilities they can use.
took the words out of my mouth. I genuinely dont understand whats the appeal of "human gets thrown into a magical realm and never shuts up about their newly acquired powers". Like, you could make the character already from there¿?¿?¿?¿? or even from space, or from a separate continent. I dont get it.
@@saphinadarkness2502 It's the ULTIMATE self insert, leave worries/baggage/responsibilites behind power fantasy genre. So i can understand why it's popular, doesn't make it any less unoriginal.
@@saphinadarkness2502 One of the valid reasons is to have a main character the audience can relate to and is ignorant of the world's affairs. Some writers struggle to create this super immersive detailed world and NOT info-dump the audience when the character already knows all this. But if the character is also ignorant? Then they can integrate the questions the audience has with the main character's exploration of the world. Of course, neither approach is superior, execution is key.
We saw how this character talks to herself in previous stuff. I for one appreciate the devs probably giving me an, intentional or not, honest heads up of just how much cheese and corn they're committing to. Gives me time to mentally prepare for the hot mess monologue I'll have to wallow through just to experience this kind of action.
The best example I've ever seen of a game using a non game related track for their game was Batman: Arkham Knight. The way Rocksteady used to Frank Sinatra's "Under My Skin" to foreshadow the plot was masterclass.
I like how Marvels humor is over saturating so many dialogues in games and movies that we’ve become used to it and can predict almost exactly what they’re going to say.
Yet people still lapping it up, it's been a problem in games just as long as it's been a problem in movies. AAA games and movies very rarely take risks anymore, if this does and goes to a dark place and has good character development then this kind of character can work really well... but they won't want to take that risk
I loved when she dropped the one ring into Eminem's mouth so stunning so brave I nearly freaking cried one of the greatest games I have ever watched the words simply do no justice
They had so much going for them. The gameplay, the exploration, the world they built, the visuals. They're all stellar. But they just HAD to taint it with their godawful writing and isekai premise.
Marvel gets away w/ this all the time and critics of this game eat it up all the time. It's just an excuses to bag on another game whose main character that doesn't represent themselves.
I stopped what I was doing, and went onto my laptop because I had to fucking write this comment. -- STOP FUCKING OVERLY NITPICKING. This is a fucking RIDICULOUS criticism that has absolutely nothing to do with the game. The trailer fits fine, the voice is literally the voice of the character after she's been isekai'd into a new world, these are her thoughts about what the fuck is happening. ITS NOT THAT FUCKING DEEP HOLY SHIT. The gaming community is so vapid and ready to attack anything they possibly can for whatever imagined reason that it's so fucking obnoxious at this point. Lay off, get the fuck over this hate bandwagonism bullshit. You're better than this. EVERYONE should be better than this.
The dissonance in relation to the music reminds me of the doom trailer a few years back that had hip hop instead of metal which caused a bit of fan backlash onto Bethesda not being aware of the tone of the game they were trying to market.
I do agree that hip hop music in a fantasy game feels dissonant, but I feel that you can make it work if you do it along the same lines as Guardians of the Galaxy movies: use it as a character trait. In GotG the music isn't just a cheap gimmick, it also ties into said music being the one thing Peter Quill has from Earth, and thus he has his music player full of 70's and 80's pop music in it. They could do it the same way here to better show that the main character is not from the world they're now in. The trailer could actually work conceptually in trying to juxtapose a modern style with a fantasy setting since we are talking about a person from Earth falling into a mystical world, it just needs better scriptwriting and direction to better emphasize that.
It seemed like they wanted to do a mix of a story and gameplay trailer, whereas they should have done them separate. Have one exploring the world and fighting without the need for dialogue, and another with more story detail. Show the character before entering the world, quick clip of finding the cuff (or even a bit of it talking) and showing why it may be significant, and introducing other (if any) characters you may see on your adventure (but not enough to truely spoil it). That would be more suitable for a narrative style trailer to get people interested in the story, instead of trying to mix both
I think the Outer Worlds 2 trailer nailed this style of trailer perfectly. The narrator was talking to the audience but it never took itself seriously and was genuinely funny to watch
@@GeorgeMonet except for the outer worlds 2, it's actually shitposting on the very fact of these trailers even existing. By playing vicious mockery of the whole thing. And thing is, for that, IT FITS THE STYLE OF THE FRANCHISE. TONGUE IN CHEEK. Forspoken, it...didn't need this. Just, no. If I was behind the marketing for this, I'd shut the whole department down and say, "We're not gonna market it. Just put out a trailer on launch day, and pray that people like it. Let's use the power of goodwill and word of mouth to get this game to rise". Because if elden fucking ring can do this with decent marketing and letting the players spread the word and sell an insane amount of copies, then more companies should do so for this.
I remember the first time I saw this game the gameplay looked REALLY interesting. Then the characters opened their mouths and I thought “oh no. I don’t want this anymore”. This whole deal definitely reinforced my worries about writing.
I thought people were overreacting when they called it cringe, but man, they were right. Unfortunately, I don't seem to have much hope about the writing, but gameplay still seems sick and may very well carry the game.
I don't know. The VA is indeed cringe but that isn't anything new. Lots of games have shitty dubs. I'll just switch it to Japanese VAs. Problem solved. FYI the reason why the VA sucks so hard is because it's that Jade Wesker girl. So she's not even like an actual VA, just a shitty actor that got cast in this role...somehow.
im actually pretty happy that this trailer came out cuz now I know that I dont want to buy this game anymore. The dialogue is enough for me. i love open world games and nice combat but Im so fucking tired of stupid ass overconfident, annoying, cringy main characters using 'MCU' ass dialogue. ONE OF THE BEST CHARACTERS IN GAMING HISTORY IS MASTER CHEIF AND HE BARELY SAYS A FUCKING THING!
@@BreatheMusic more like freaking out over nothing, this dude comment is more cringe than the main characters dialogue and if you were transported to a new world of fantasy and magic and you were dead calm about it let me know
You're a really good voice actor! You know, I really wish, Yong, that you would dedicate another channel or episodes to your voice acting. Maybe VA some comics or something. Or work with creators that need VAs. Please continue your path to this... You're very talented.
I've almost never seen a game destroy whatever hype it had faster. This went from one of the few upcoming games i had any interest in to a guaranteed no-buy. or to put this in the same terms as the trailer: "Well, THAT just happened" _Self-immolates_
“I’ve almost never seen a game destroy whatever hype it had faster.” Well, there have been a lot before this, this wasn’t the worst and it won’t be the last.
I think I've spent too much time lurking twitch and catching some of the odd Door Dash and Adobe ads trying to act like they are part of the stream rather than a direct advertisement, which this is what it felt like. Yet, due to spending so much time on those streams, I feel like the voice actor is actually bored with the content she's reading. How many takes did it take before they went with that one...
I'm concerned about Hollywood's corporate influence on gaming. Stuff like this always feels like it was created by an advertising firm or focus testers, rather than having then having their finger on the pulse. You look at other game trailers and the game speaks for itself. Ya know, SHOW DON'T TELL.
More likely created by off-site trailer contractors, who don't have sufficient info about the game to make a decent trailer. High-quality ad companies' entire business is "show, don't tell" - the real messaging is almost never in what's being said, but in everything else, from the scenario/casting to the audio, even the lighting & cinematography put you in the desired receptive mood.
Took you a while... This isn't anything new. - It's just that people now seem to have started analyzing videogame-trailers as well, like the armchair-producers they are.
And it’s a shame. You don’t see many isekai games and this one looked legitimately promising. But the dialogue reminds me of the old fan fictions I used to write when I was fourteen, BEFORE I learned what people actually sound like when they talk, even in a fantasy setting.
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If you seen the other demos. It's not just in the trailer. The trailer was just the last straw.
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My favorite scene in Star Wars was when Darth Vader said "No, I am your father." and Luke said "Ugh, I lost my hand and now I find out my dad is a planet-destroying maniac? Great, that's *just* what I needed to hear this morning." it was so fun and quirky it really enhanced the experience.
Like a 80s to 90s sitcom record scratch inner monologue. Luke going, let me explain how I got here....and then the intro music kicks in.
It's an isekai, are you unfamiliar with the genre? Because this is pretty on brand
That has "yyyyep...that's me...now, I know you're wondering how I got in to this position" vibes.
"Aw damn, next you'll tell me I kissed my sister."
Imagine that Robot Chicken skit with the Emperor narrating his life being cannon 😂
At this point I expect Forspoken to open with a huge boss fight, then suddenly pausing with "Yeah, that's me. I bet you're wondering how I got here."
Plot twist - the emperors new groove game will be a better game. On a side note it was a good game. Lol
@Baxi What's this polotics you speak of?
@@zetokaiba5867 marco polotics him
@Baxi You're the only person here bringing up politics.
Then you got the song “Baba O’Riley” playing right after lmao. Omg you made me laugh. Great comment.
I have this eerie feeling that the execs at play will completely misunderstand the way this trailer is being memed.
Just like Sony did with Morbius I feel they are gonna mistake the ridicule for excitement and rather than learning from a mistake they are gonna double down on it.
Good. People like them only learned when it blows up in there face
@@runimcomingforyou.4505 Happened with Sony and morbius, so, it can totally happen again
CEOs and higher ups in the company have a bad habit of assuming what the little customer wants rather that asking them or admitting they might be making a mistake. And whenever they DO cave, it's for the people on twitter crying out for social injustice.
@@runimcomingforyou.4505 someone hasn't seen what Sony tried to pull with the Morbin Time meme
@@charlescaulkins8306 you were making some fire points until that last part, wtf does social justice or twitter have to do this?
The way the VA talks it reminds me of the way "influencers" in mobile game adds talk. Scripted with excitement, but with a passionless voice reading it.
or the new saints row
she's a horrible actress, the fact that she was the lead in the Resident Evil Netflix series just speaks for itself
@@christophergarcia4900 that's a bit unfair. Lance Reddick is also in the new Resident Evil series, and he's a good actor. The percentage of actors and actresses who have never been in a bad show or movie must be somewhere in the single digits.
But, i haven't seen that particular show so i can't comment on her acting abilities. If she sounds a certain way (like an Influencer) then that's the director or whoever telling her what to sound like though, so you can't blame her for that.
Sounds like an NPC which exactly how brainless “influencers” act and talk.
Forspoken has had a cringy dialogue problem since the very first trailer they ever released. I think it's just what that writing team is going for, and it is going to ruin what seems to be a good action game.
Idk man, Final Fantasy C H A O S cringe dialogues is what makes it charming
@@blushingralseiuwu2222 There's a line between bad but charming and straight up bad. FF Chaos basically took it to Tommy Wiseau levels. This game isn't.
@@LordVader1094 hardest cope ever, chaos had such cringe dialogues and thats fine.
I'm expecting an equivalent to "You were almost a Jill Sandwich!" at this point.
Why tho!
When Kratos said "Being a parent ragnarocks", I felt that.
I loved when Kratos said that in the actual game 🤣🤣🤣
To me, I cried when he said "Boy, I'm dad"
I swear he was about to say "You know what DOESN'T Ragnarocks? Drugs and alcohol."
is this real? does he genuinely say that in game? yikes.
@@Ge0rge_0rwell God of War took a weird turn.
It went from "I might pick this up first week to avoid getting spoiled" to "I'm okay with waiting for it to hit 70% off and still may have to consider playing it" real fast.
Same. I hate those cringe casual disbelief/fourth wall breaking lines.
it has this RETURNAL gameplay vibe. Still skeptic but will wait how it will turn out
When it releases and it probably ends up worse than we imagined you might even go to "yeah,i'm definitely just pirating this thing" 😂
Because of music
Me too. Went from "That looks really interesting" to "Well, maybe I buy it one day." real quick.
_"I'm talking to a cuff"_ is a really strange line. When I hear "cuff" there are three things I think of: cufflinks, handcuffs and that thing doctors wrap around your arm to take your blood pressure. Nobody really uses the word to describe a large bracelet.
It's also the end of a shirt-sleeve. I know what you mean, I had the same thought when I saw that part. It's like people can't even use basic words properly anymore.
@@Memememe-is1yn oh yeah, forgot about that one. So that makes four major uses for the word, none of which involve large bracelets. But technically it's not an improper use, according to Merriam Webster, it _can_ mean a "wide metal band worn as a bracelet." It's just that absolutely nobody uses it that way, so it's more of a case of someone using very outdated definitions. The world in the game seems more medieval fantasy type, so the inhabitants might talk like that, but a modern girl from our world wouldn't.
Probably just auto translated?
Yeah - bracer, bracelet, vambrace, wristband... there are tons of words for what the magical golden doohickey is. Cuff is a REALLY weird word choice.
They really thought their audience was too stupid to know the word "bangle", didn't they?
It's one of my pet peeves when it's *blatantly obvious* that an Old writer is writing for Young/Teenaged characters 😩
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@@themotorcyclemasswhole Forspoken will be another Square Enix's comedy 🤣
I've never wanted a silent protagonist more in my life.
I prefer a silent protagonist. I can make the voice up in my head or base it on basic grunts and hurt noises they make. If its an RPG it leads to more dialogue choices because you don't need to pay a protagonist voice actor that tends to be to big of a name with to high a price tag. Not to mention for me their can be one or two NPC's that have flat or cringe dialogue and I can get past it. It the protagonist I play as ends up like that it will ruin a game.
Agreed a silent protagonist is better in cases like destiny. Characters know you don't talk and it's played for a joke.
Before your character started though the first time talking was amazing
@@bendynamic2150 thats why I love Skyrim and Fallout 3 and 4 for having silent protagonists, its because you yourself is the one who is "speaking" the dialogues. Its way more immersive
Word.
"Ragna-ROCKS"
I feel like a quarter of my life has been shaved away. 💀
Yeah unfortunately that one probably cost us all :(
Softly, in the distance, one could hear thousands of souls groaning out loud. Fucking lovely
HOW!? XDDD
Seems like every time I hear "mass appeal" or "broader audience" I wonder how these decision makers haven't caught on that almost *no one* wants what is "mass appeal." It's like guaranteed video game suicide to aim for broad audiences and mass appeal. It become soulless, hollow, and forgettable. Like something you've already experienced before in a dream, and forget about it just as quickly.
It's media suicide, doesn't matter the medium. Book, Comic, Film, TV, Videogame? All of them suffer the more you diffuse your aim.
The source for a decision like that is clearly hunger for maximum profit.
@@isgodreal1337 you are exactly right, that what they think it will do for them, but they seem to keep being proven wrong...
Every time I think of a souless game I think of 90% of Sony's western studio made games
Elden Ring just did it.
Two things are going on, and I blame both, (yes both) of their marketing teams:
1) They’re still too vague about the game’s story/plot. They throw attitude, sassiness, and cheekiness at us, without giving us a chance to know who this character is.
2) Their marketing teams aren’t working closely enough together. This would be their Social Media Team clashing with their Marketing Department. You’ll be surprised how disconnected both teams can be in any given company.
100%. It's like "Whoo isn't this character quippy and fun?" As if that's the only thing that should matter. What we all are wondering is "who's this character, what is the situation and why should we care?"
Worse, I think they haven't worked out who the target audience should be. Either the mktg is trying to sell the game as something it's not (i.e. TWEWY meets Twelve Kingdoms), or they made a traditional epic fantasy game with a meta, Deadpool-esque MC, so neither audience will be pleased.
Neither bodes well - either it'll be a good game that dies on the vine from mishandled marketing, or it's a confused/schizo game that can't commit to one artistic/tonal direction.
Who is surprised about what now?...
How would anyone logically explain separating marketing and social media? social media at this point is pretty much strictly a marketing tool
But, but, but she is quirky, stunning and brave, you should love her immediately. /s
I wonder how many -ists and -phobes get blamed when the game flops because of the atrocious dialogue of an insufferable MC.
Finally, the long awaited sequel to Mighty No.9
It will get you crying harder than a Forspoken trailer director on release day.
At least it's better than nothing, right? 😉
The French Caller, Your comment is truly a S Tier.❤️
Seriously, that had me laughing so hard.
i didnt know this game was also grossly overfunded
I was also thinking of Mighty No. 9.
All this trailer needed was a freeze frame, record scratch, Baba O'Reilly playing in the background and the character saying "Yep. That's me" since it gave me vibes of something like that from the start
I had little interest in the game from the start but still hoped for nothing less than success since the start. I still do but... eh, time will tell
What you described reminds me of that Rob Schneider movie trailer gag from South Park, complete with the obnoxious voice over. This trailer is so bad it nearly gives off those same vibes.
@@MoostachedSaiyanPrince there's that too. This though was referencing a supposed cliche in movies where this is played in the beginning of some. Mumkey even made a mock up once to make his own
Though notice i said "supposed" since in actuality, no such cliche exists outside of things mocking such thing. There's some examples of 2 or 3 elements being together but none with all of them
I seen the meme where she is saying "And there I was, barbecue sauce on my titties..."
ok I genuinely laughed at the Baba O'Reilly thought 😂 Perfect.
@@MoostachedSaiyanPrince _Rob Schneider is... a talking cuff! And he's about to find out just how tough life is when you're a talking cuff on the arm of a quip-happy, streetwise New Yorker trapped in a CRAZY fantasy world, who just wants to find her way home!_
"Quirky" is not a personality, and far too many characters are just that. They are quirky and got nothing else going for them, which simply makes them cringe and boring.
It's a personality trait literally by definition:
"The definition of quirky is a strange or unique action or personality.". (Source: Your Dictionary).
A swing and a miss, buddy. Keep trying!
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@@tukkek But a certain type of quirkiness has been overused as a character trait to the point that it's the opposite of strange or unique
@@tukkek "A swing and a miss" 🤓
@@tukkek Haha did you have to put your reading glasses on for that one? (Joke)
This is a problem with a lot of media in general. So much of our entertainment tries to be "cool" and "hip" by trying to insert witty and quippy dialogue that only makes what they're trying to create far more lamer and annoying than if they were trying to present it earnestly and without any apologies. It seems like a symptom of people who have no faith in themselves and what they're creating. A consequence of self-loathing, if you will.
Say what you will about Kingdom Hearts or Sonic, but I guarantee you they wouldn't have worked nearly as well if they were trying to be self-aware and meta about what their games are about. They have the audience they have partially *because* of how seriously they take themselves and how genuine and sincere they are with their premises. (Or with Sonic, at least initially from the days of Adventure 1 up to Black Knight.)
Man, you're right about that part of people who constantly quip and refuse to take things seriously. It really is a self-loathing defense mechanism. "If I don't confront this properly, then it'll always remain a joke haha" They accept their mediocrity and failure, and use weak comedy to deflect or ignore criticism because "Lol I wasn't being serious"
True,companies desperately trying to appease to their target audiences,or rather what they think their audience is or what they want,pretty much suits completely clueless purely relying on market research calling the shots.
We really are hankering back to the 90s, aren't we?
On the other hand, if you're too proud of what you're making you'll probably refuse to listen to criticism of teasers and your past work and never improve or ingratiate yourself with your ideal audience. The solution is to recognize that both self-loathing and narcissism are both selfish in their own ways and to avoid thinking about yourself or your beliefs at all in favor of thinking about your audience.
Reminds me of Last Jedi when Luke says "laser sword." If the actual movie can't take itself seriously then how could we?
Getting a strong tech demo vibe still with massive open areas and little to do, maybe? Nothing here really has me clamoring to put this on my wishlist atm.
Idk if it makes it more or less sad that this is one of the more interesting games coming out this year that I'm interested in besides Callisto and Ragnarok
Nice pfp
@@mint5438 something being better than nothing (or other trash releases) doesn't make it good
the game looks visually disinteresting, it's visually crisp but looks lacking, like an asset flip
@@MonkeGeorge an asset flip? yea it doesnt look that bad.
@@MonkeGeorge This is indeed possible but there were people making similar complaints with Ghost of Tsushima when it came to the world. They thought it was dead looking and not at all impressive, and it went on to being one of the greatest games of that year. Not everything is what it seems.
I personally think this trailer is doing a poor job at representing the game. I think the game itself looks good. As long as it's something really fun to play and not another Ubisoft inspired open world design, I think it will be great by default. I can live with meh characters and a weak story as long as the rest of the game is a pleasure.
Beautiful trailer. I nearly came when she said "it's forspeakin time" and defeated the bad guys
This should be the thing.
She really forspoke those dudes
STOP IT NOW LMAO
This will be one of the games of all time!
The whole "I'm talking to a cuff" line was clearly meant to convey disbelief at an outrageous circumstance, but it's a video game, talking to a cuff is fairly tame. Boomers like me have been gaming for over 30 years, we've been plumbers who save princesses from massive lizards, weilded swords that shot projectiles out at full health for some reason, and bested mythical gods in hand to hand combat. A talking cufflink won't break immersion...
It is not even just the prior video game experience. Folks today are walking around speaking into Apple iWatches! The line might have felt different 10 years ago, but that behavior is completely normal now.
yeah, i dont think you guys are getting it... The player character is a normal modern day human who is transported to a new magical world. all of these things would be difficult to believe in that circumstance.
@@squirts1 its still such a weird way to say it. The dialog sounds like the character isnt in disbelief but rather is fully aware of the situation and comprehends it but simply comments on how ridiculous it is. Its weird.
@@squirts1 yeah that's part of the point, we're not getting it. They didn't convey anything that this game is really about to me. No clue if it was just like that in the trailer or if she's constantly going to buzz in your ear like Aloy with cringey dialog
@@DaBonkinator I mean It's a style that exists already... Mostly in teenage female cinema. It's not weird, it's just not your style... It's not my style either.
MCU vibe is an excellent descriptor. I've never been a fan of MCU films and they've really impacted negatively how dialogue is written in fantasy media now
Agreed. The MCU vibe is what basically shattering entertainment as we know it.
I don’t mind MCU vibes… In the MCU. Keep it out of other media please!
@@LifeWulf people are tired of MCU humor in the MCU. Just look at Thor love and thunder
@@BabyGirlTiny It's less the MCU humor itself but just the sheer amount of it in Love and Thunder. Every every single scene needs some witty quip or joke instead of letting the characters breathe. If Forspoken has some of that humor but knows when to let the characters act and lets the world showcase itself, I'm fine with the quips. If this trailer means every second line she's mouthing off, it'll get old fast.
@@BabyGirlTiny Even good MCU films like Black Panther or Dr. Strange have moments that get ruined or awkwardly put down because of said quips there.
For me, the most important thing is actually the dialogue, not the discrepancy it produces. It might be a cultural difference, I am not american and english isn't my first language, so someone explain this to me if needed, but - what I'm wondering is - is there a single person on the planet that likes this type of "stupid late elementary school coddled kid" talk? I have never seen anyone react positively to any form of media that went for this, unless it was either ironic or it was glued to a character we're supposed to be annoyed by.
Well yeah, stupid late elementary school coddled kids like this sort of dialogue.
@@gammaphonic I am not going to say you're wrong, but I have a hard time believing that.
Quirky and campy I get, but this has issues on top of that, why would anyone like a character that is the epitome of "when this person finally dies in this horror movie, we'll all clap and cheer"?
Very very few people like this. People who are easily excited, do not think whatsoever about what they see, and only care about superficial elements. This is the kind of style used on social media like instagram by Marvel to quickly catch the attention of idiots.
Well, Juno was pretty popular. Joss Whedon had a pretty successful career using this kind of writing. There's a market for this sort of storytelling. Just look at anime. This is an isekai with the protag being an obvious Mary Sue. They basically greenlit someone's self insert fanfic.
My eight year old likes this kinda stuff I suppose
This is just Yong flexing his VA skills and I'm here for it
Totally 🤘, he comes close to the og actor's voice.
Yes sir👍
BOY!
@@Red_MOON187 Yeah ?
@@Zeegoku1007 GOW refence bro.
So with the focus on the writing, one thing I want to point out is that the writing for this game was not done by Square Enix's in-house writers or any Japanese writer for that matter. The writing was outsourced to Western writers in a sort of oddball collaboration. It's not like collaborations like this haven't worked before, just look at Elden Ring, though if I recall the writing team at From Software only used GRRM to write the background lore and then they built on top of it themselves. Point being the writers on Forspoken are far from being GRRM. Amy Hennig is great, but she's hardly working alone. There are four other writers on this game as well in the form of Todd Stashwick, Gary Whitta, K-Michel Parandi, and Allison Rymer. They don't exactly have long or critically successful writing careers with the exception of Gary Whitta but the vast majority of his resume is being an editor for a news outlet. And that last person doesn't even have a Wikipedia page for me to look at, certainly never heard her name before. Point being the writing team has one large credit, and then a bunch of question marks and really no idea as to what each of them is responsible for. The dialogue itself feels like it's probably genuine to the personality of the character, but it still comes across cringy and annoying to the audience the game seems targeted at and strikes me as like, older people trying to imitate younger people because they think that's what the hip young people like most and don't get it at all. The music choices for the trailers also speak to this because they're playing licensed hip hop tracks or something over top of this fantasy action world and it's just this weird disconnect. When they play actual tracks from the games soundtrack, it works better, the licensed music just kills it.
Fully agree and the silly thing is older people shouldn’t be wondering what younger people think is “cool” and in fact no one should be communicating based on what they think anyone else thinks might be “cool” because younger or older the message becomes patently fake. People can communicate across generations by just speaking their truth. “I think this is beautiful because…” and this kind of nonsense should be consigned to the past. A “quaint” thing we used to do that’s pretty embarrassing now. Those were the old ways. Now it’s time to respect each other and speak truthfully.
yeah I think that potentially is the game soundtrack ... There are multiple indications that this is what the game is... normal modern day teenager or 20 something transported to a fantasy world who suddenly has powers... That's exactly what it sounds like is happening here. The music, the dialogue, the tone, all speak to this.
Marketing hasn't been clear enough I don't think so the problem now is people projecting what they want from the game based on the visuals alone.
Well Elden ring definitely had issues rannis ending led to a completely different conclusion then what the Japanese version was
@@squirts1 Agreed. Had they previously established the main character is a kid, transported to another world, but somehow end up as an adult, this trailer wouldn't have been so poorly received.
@@flamerollerx01 well they have to tell us eventually. Regardless of when they did it, now or before. The result is the same I think. The initial reveals were more tech demo than actual game trailer or game reveal IMO
Ultimately I think people are upset because they saw the tech demo trailers and expected, wanted, a serious game and are projecting that onto this trailer, but I have a feeling that's not what this is.
My first reaction to the trailer was “Who wrote this cringe shit” but hopefully dialogue in full game won’t have anything like this because it’s the embodiment of “How do you do fellow gamers”
Might be just the english translation
I got modern mobile game vibes. Dog shit.
From the gameplays it looks like she is spitting out cringe lines every time she kills an enemy...
It's an isekai, this is pretty on brand for that genre
@@shanematthews1985 LMFAO FAX 🗣
3:14
Here is why I like Yong's VA talent, would love to see an actual trailer like that, perhaps he could voice more parodies as such.
@@fluxx2384 first of all, he did more than just "made his voice deeper". Second of all, no, not anyone can simply "make their voices deeper" and actually sound convincing and not cringeworthy.
@@aerosw1ft amen
The way they try to break the 4th wall in this trailer just makes it cringy as fuck. They should have strayed away from that tactic.
It sounds exactly like how a Japanese company would try to go "How do you do, fellow Zoomers?" while being completely out of touch with Westerners.
The game looks incredible to be honest.
However, I just know I'm going to hate playing it, because the writing just sounds so awful. In every trailer. I hate these kinds of characters; who sound like everything is such a big deal to them, but would also say some shit like "...aaaand, he's right behind me, isn't he?"
Maybe play it in a different language? What with more than 1 trailer being like this i'm assuming the whole game will be like this.
I actually think it would be great if they fully committed to the bit and filled the main character with the worst quippy dialogue possible, and all the serious characters hated her for it.
If this turns out to be a game where the player character quips all the time like in Borderlands, that would be a very different tone that what people were expecting from the game, and if the in-game dialogue is even half as cringey as the trailer had, HARD PASS.
Edit: to clarify, I'm not hating on Borderlands. I love those games. The quipping totally works in that series because it supports the wacky tone the rest of the game is going for. That's not the same as Forsaken, where the tone seemed like it was going to be less goofy, more enchanting, so the quipping would be out of place.
Yeah but the difference is that borderlands quips usually land, this is just pretty eeeeesh
@@spicynips8466 Yeah I'd call Borderlands humor divisive, and I'd call THIS oblivious.
It is. Watch the gameplay trailer. She quips a lot when she's fighting. Is very distractic.
Borderlands works because the world is wacky and vibrant despite occasional serious moments. The characters quipping works because they're all somewhere between touched and psychotic. A normal sane person being dropped into a serious and deadly dark fantasy world wouldn't be excited no matter what powers they got.
That said, it would be pretty awesome if this excitement lasts all of twenty minutes before you get sacked by the big bad that plans to harvest your power via horrific torture or something.
Otherwise, this character comes across like someone that knows they're in a story and that everything will work out and that's just freaking lame!
@@silverblade357 by your last lines what your describing is the 3 Failure Heroes from Rise of the Shield Hero basically
In that they never truly took anything seriously until the Spirit Turtle incident because they treated everything like a game unlike Naofumi who realized quite early it was a new reality
As a Hip-Hop lover, I appreciate Yong's observation of how its being bastardized as this "instant hip" magic dust you can just sprinkle on everything. Hip-Hop can & does elevate certain moments but its being grossly overused nowadays
Nowadays? I grew up in the early 90s. It’s tame in comparison nowadays. Maybe minus the 21 Savage MK11 trailer which legitimately grew on me.
@@thomasdr08 doom and elden ring both have similar cringe trailers available
@@detomeki7664 Doom gets a pass, it’s Doom. Elden Ring would be pretty cringe, though.
the most recent example of "hip-hopification" being implemented well / that works for me and seemingly most people, is Street Fighter 6
In There is No Game it's used perfectly to comedic intent. Here it's just the kid's parents dancing to retro songs embarrasingly...
I literally felt this same "I'm so wacky look at this ain't this goofy" type of vibe ever since I first heard of this game. It's the same reason I've got no hype at all for that Redfall game it really kills the tone for me.
Same here. There's something very off with the voice-acting and dialogue-lines that doesn't mesh well with whatever they're trying to show us through the trailers.
Hello gamers check this goofy aah game with bonkers combat and badonkers graphics let's freaking go gamers preorder nowAUUUGGGH 💀
Redfall isn't goofy. It actually has a serious tone. I seen gameplay. It looks great
@@ghostlegit Serious until the characters in the trailer start talking....
The vibe it gives off is like that Star Wars line “they fly now?!”
Name a more iconic combination than "corporate boomers" and "killing any and all hype by pitching what they think 'kids' find quirky, hip, or cool". You can practically feel them wearing a "Dreamworks Face" as they snapped their fingers while making their pitch
@@St4rTr3v1Ut10n Yeah boomers are pretty much one foot in the grave at this point, but hey they're an easy target so lets go for it. This "cringey dialogue" is exactly how every single person between 18-25 that I work with talks like. Every time they open their mouth it has to sound like something from a tiktok clip.
I stopped what I was doing, and went onto my laptop because I had to fucking write this comment. -- STOP FUCKING OVERLY NITPICKING. This is a fucking RIDICULOUS criticism that has absolutely nothing to do with the game. The trailer fits fine, the voice is literally the voice of the character after she's been isekai'd into a new world, these are her thoughts about what the fuck is happening. ITS NOT THAT FUCKING DEEP HOLY SHIT. The gaming community is so vapid and ready to attack anything they possibly can for whatever imagined reason that it's so fucking obnoxious at this point. Lay off, get the fuck over this hate bandwagonism bullshit. You're better than this. EVERYONE should be better than this.
@@St4rTr3v1Ut10n Millennials are the wrong group to be blaming
@@St4rTr3v1Ut10n It's more zoomer talk from what I've heard.
Blame the MCU
Ughhhhhhh noooo. Sounds like when Hollywood is trying to make a funny quirky "hip" character (How do you do fellow kids?). Nothing I have seen so far has pushed me to the point of pre-ordering. Now I don't even know if I want to purchase it until someone reviews the whole game. I have a hunch that she's going to be an annoying "hip" Mary Sue like character.
I honestly didn't even get the Mary Sue vibe, I straight up got "I understand today's kids and their trends"
Never preorder. Always wait
@Paco Loco Mary Sue = girl i dont like
Now I'm reminded that the reviewer for Miles Morales that said he had the "Exaggerated swagger of a black teen" also said the Forspoken protagonist "flips and hops through the environment like a magical Spider-Woman".
Like I get it’s annoying but idk how you got Mary Sue out of that
I feel like they used the wrong voice track, like they accidentally recorded what the VA was commenting as she was reading over the lines, rather than her voicing the actual lines. Definitely a "morbin' time" moment. I hope they figure it out and make something good out of this hot mess, but given the state of the games industry of late, not optimistic about that.
Morbin time was a power rangers reference made by a twitter user, and according to knowyourmeme appears to be Rata (Rank10YGO), who is actually a comedic genius who makes Yugioh card analysis videos, and his most recent one was an hour long video of Ultrakill. It’s just that one joke has been run into the ground over the years and it was never uttered on set.
My first thoughts "no one fucking talks like that" then I watched what appears to be a high fantasy world with hip hop music... and I realized what is actually happening is that it's disconnected from anything I care about and my hype dropped to a solid 2/10
Stop lying guys!!!! I have looked at this trailer a few times and there's nothing hip hop about it. You all are being typical stereotype racist a-holes over a (GAME)!! Had this been a regular alpha white man you guys would have kept your mouths shut. I get it this isn't your normal Nathan Drake or (insert any alpha male)type game. That doesn't mean it won't live up to it's full potential. Let this game be what is first then judge the (gameplay)later is all I ask. For some reason I know what I just said will be ignored, and this game hasn't got a chance in hell. Oh well back Nathan Drake number 755.😤😤
I'm glad this topic has finally cropped up because it's something I'm getting sick of in films AND games. Where EVERYTHING has to be a joke, characters must mock and ridicule the threat they're up against ALL the time. It's like nobody takes ANYTHING seriously. Just because thats Marvel's modus operandi doesn't mean it should be the norm. It really undermines and dimishes any threat, conflict or emotion we're supposed to experience.....honestly.....why should we, the players, care if even the main protagonist(s) doesn't?
I was struggling with finding any interest in Forespoken from the start and this didn't help. If thats how the dialogue is in the game as a rule....hooooo boy
Its mostly how woman are written now. Mary sue or too cool for anyone.
Yeah. I hate this shitty trend. Nothing feels serious in movies and shows anymore. Look at the most recent example: Thor 4. Compare 4 to the first Thor. Emotional impact was on another level in the the first one because there was this serious atmosphere always at play in thag movie. Newest movie makes a joke out of itself. Why did Marvel decide to double down on this shitty trend is beyond me.
@@maklame3318 What an idiotic take.
This is something that has bothered me with watching the older MCU movies, even the older ones. A little quippy is fine but they just go too far! My least favorite being the Star Wars sequel trilogy. They treat the first order like a fucking joke!
@@maklame3318 Very true and as a woman I feel really misrepresented by this trend. I know, gaming or other entertainment media are not about realism but they could at least show some variety.
I personally refer to this phenomenon as “The Marvel Effect”
So awesome that everything is quirky and fun now! Why would anything ever be serious anymore? It’s for the whole family. It’s supposed to be fun!
Took the words right out my mouth, this is the same vibe you'd get from any superhero movie (mainly marvel stuff) these days. Sure it's cringe but won't matter all in all as long as the overall voice acting, and gameplay is good when it all comes together. We've had annoying protagonists before 😂, it is what it is, I can sort of block it out and still enjoy the game for what it is (if it's good that is, coz obviously I can't comment on that until I actually get my hands on the game)
It was already a thing long before Marvel-movies or anything like that. But Marvel/Disney took it, cause they saw how it actually WORKS, and ran with it, almost to a self-aware level but just embraced it. - I feel like it also came from a lot of animated movies. Cause it's just very cartoonish. And now they're just trying to make certain videogames into these blockbuster-type movies, since they know that resonates with the masses.
This. The effect is bleeding inyo all writing now and its tiring. The DnD film trailer has the exact same problem. They've admitted to copying GotG and it shows. The film does nog have its own identity.
Before it seemed rough and I was like I might pick up from a bargain bin later, to now after this trailer I'm more excited to play it sooner.
I guess people have different takes and likes and I also got the Marvel Super Hero movie vibe which I do like.
I personally call it the "Wee-Waa" effect-- Wheadon-Waititi. First I saw this phenomenon was in Borderlands. It was even before wee-waa but done right.
Every time I see a video where this character speaks I lose more interest in this game. Doesn't matter how pretty it looks or how fun it appears to be. That dialogue is going to kill this game for me.
doom guy approves
This girl is doing a speedrun in killing her career. She's the main protagonist in Netflix's new Resident Evil show.
Yep. It's mega "60 year old white executives think this is what the kids are into" vibes.
Really sad how annoying/unlikeable the MC seems to be because the game itself looks like it's going to have great gameplay.
Honestly it might partly be the actress too as well as the writing. she comes across as a smug twat in everything I've seen her in, and her line delivery just exacerbates the already bad dialogue. She sounds like an insufferable narcissist who is just "too cool" to deal with minor annoyances like being transported to a different world and... "ugh, dragons amirite grrrrrls?"
Yes, this character sound a lot to a common D&D edgy pc, so over use, so unfun
@@Slutabara she’s definitely someone up high in the industry’s nephew
To paraphrase a tweet from someone responding to the trailer:
I wouldn’t be surprised if the actual game had a frame freeze with a record-scratch and the character’s voice narrating “This is me. You’re probably wondering how I got here.”
"I was just a regular girl trying to make it in man's world...you know, being paid less for the same work, find the courage to speak my truth, and having to live with all these white males destroying our planet"
I want to see someone do a Developers/CEO's react to their game development and sale marketing.
Ain't no CEO got time for dat, they're chilling on their yachts.
@@michaelmonstar4276 oh yeah dude totally, I forgot CEOs don’t actually do anything and exist as the figurehead of a company with no real responsibilities
None of them want to risk losing their jobs over a TH-cam video
Yes, even CEOs because the board of directors is a thing that exists
@@lucre113 Yeah, they sit on their thrones and whip their employees.
My favourite part was when she turned to the camera and said 'It's Forspoken time'
MO.. MOR..............................................
MORBIN TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
🤣🤣
Truly one of the trailers of all time.
MCU vibe is the perfect way to describe it. That kind of dialogue and one-liners is why I don't go to the movies much anymore, as that's sort of the meta for script writing lately, and there's no way I'll play Forspoken if that's the voice actress' tone and dialogue style.
I agree.
Agreed. The MCU caused me go to the theaters less and only go for movies I'm genuinely excited for. Started saving a lot more money because of it.
that’s why playstation and marvel are ass. they can keep that exclusive cringe lol
Dude, I still (somewhat) like most MCU entries, and even I'M fed up with hippy-quippy dialogue
Same. I cannot stand how stupid and unrealistic that type of dialogue is. It lacks humanity. For me Thor: Ragnarok was the point of no return where they went full ham with that cringey shit. It is the absolute worst movie in the MCU in terms of dialogue.
How can we be expected to take the world seriously when the main character doesn't?
Knowing the "new" Square Enix, the cuff thingy is also connected to the blockchain and you'll be able to buy NFT:s from it (such as an in-game backpack that looks like a bored ape). This is truly the future of gaming!
More like the future of gambling.
DIdn't they abandon the NFT shit route? I thought I read a report a couple weeks back, where they completely went back on what they stated.
@@gehtdichnichtsan2418 How many times have gaming companies said that, but then later were found implementing it anyway? Too many to trust.
Gotta love it when game companies use predatory practices to get kids to throw their money away
Aside from remake the new square is pretty mid in general
Call me crazy but I can see this happen again as developers try to appeal to generation z
Another example is the latest Resident Evil TV show. Pure garbage.
More like the Marketing then developers but yeah, this was really bad even worst then Bethesda using hip-hop music for Doom Eternal.
Bro even gen Z find this shit tiring and cringy
gne z doesn't act like this though.
This stupidity has been promoted to millennials as well....
Which is funny because I like to believe my generation has a strong distain towards corporations.
Like OMG...this game is like...like trying to be the "cool" kid. It's totally radical! It's magical! It's got someone who sounds like they are 12 with writing like they are 12. And did you see the graphics!! OMG it's ❤🔥!
Seriously though. Square just needs to f***ing stop. Add it to the growing list of good companies who are circling the drain anymore when it comes to actually good content. And Derek mentioning Twelve Kingdoms. That was a good anime.
Exactly. Edgy centennial in a nutshell.
Like most isekai. I was hoping of a scared protagonist trying too learn and discover a new world.
If you ask me, this is a result of culture shock.
In Japan, people are mocking the oversaturation of getting transported into another world which is the literal translation and intent of the Ad.
Especially since Square Enix is ignoring Western influence -while getting into NFTs (morons) -
But everywhere else we value immersion.
To be honest here, i prefer anime style game so this game are not in my list.
Kinda disapointed that Square Enix are not focusing on Final Fantasy, instead they have more focus on failed project like the recent Marvel game and this knock off isekai.
I know that a lot of people complained about Outrider's writing but this makes it look like a triple A movie compared to it 🤣.
I think this is definitely representative of the final product, even back when we had that first big trailer last year I already joked that it looked like a great game to play on mute, because the main character was already being extremely annoying then.
Nice Cecil pfp man
Yeah if i play this i'll probably be playing this in another language with english subtitles. Iirc your choices are french german and japanese.
@Zack Smith it’s a good game
@Zack Smith name literally any other game thats not cyberpunk, quickly
@@turkiedurkie4895 no, no it isn't.
I think that too many writers either for books, movies, tv series and games are getting the Marvel Quips Syndrome and it's honestly getting a bit too annoying to my tastes. While it was okay a lot of the Marvel movies now devolved into nothing but jokes through the whole episode/movie and it can get very exhausting. I sincerely hope Forspoken takes a closer look at the responses from this trailer and avoids falling on the same trap.
I have the same uneasy feeling about Forspoken that I had about Babylon's Fall.
square enix
anything Square Enix touches turns to shit.
It's looking like marvel avengers to me , not the gameplay but the story
I'd rather spend £70 on a parking ticket than on this game.
Right, it's beyond ridicuolus...
Silent Hill if it were released in 2022: "So you mean I'm trapped in my own personal hell and haunted by the freaking physical manisfestations of my inner demons? Yeah ok, gosh I hate mondays am I right?"
Have you played SH? That's exactly how the dialogue is.
Captain Walker be like
Thatz actually still awesome 😁😁😁
nyeeeeehh
If that is the character's personality in the game I could endure it for perhaps the first hour, given that introduction to gameplay and gameplay would likely take up the majority of that time, and her being introduced to the world as well it makes sense. If her personality doesn't develop past that in some way then I simply can't see myself engaging with the character. If the entire game is filled with her making meta-narrative commentary, or worse, injecting modern commentary into what is meant to be another world, I can't see myself engaging with the game as a whole, nevermind the world or the characters.
Edit: Also, sorry for this, but the "talking cuff" hype and the dissonance surrounding it just makes me think "This is water you can WALK ON!"
*flashbacks of WoW* OH GOD!
@@jackhazardous4008 an unfortunate cliche but at least it’s something
If she turns out to be a pop culture reference machine, it would prolly be constant stream of references to her favorite Square Enix IPs
In the gameplay trailer, she quips a lot when fighting. I feel like that's gonna be super annoying by the 5th hour. Hopefully there's a toggle to shut her up.
@@jackhazardous4008 that is a spoiler brother
let's not sugar coat it Yong: we all know it's that "YA QUEEN SLAAAAY" energy from it that's killing everyone's mojo
aka generic "strong woman" mc who's the bestest ever, just cringe indeed.
Not even just that. It’s more like “Oh I’m not taking what is very clearly a serious situation seriously because I’m very lip like that”
I mean, it’s just a female Nathan Drake-like personality. It would be fine if it fit with the rest of the game, but it doesn’t and it’s pretty off putting.
I agree.
@@isakisak9989 I agree.
its such a shame seeing media entertainment with potential getting ruined by stupid writers
Writers writing dialogue you don't like doesn't make them stupid, you clown
Ever since they first revealed this game I always got Young Adult Novel Movie Adaptation vibes. Go back and watch the old Divergent or other similar franchise trailers and you could see a very similar approach to marketing. Considering the games protagonist and fish out of water narrative it feels like there's a very particular demographic is being appealed to here.
Exactly, they can complain about the trailer being objectively bad if you're looking at it as "a professional video game trailer editor" like it's meant to be a cookie cutter way of doing things (which is what is wrong with the gaming industry at its core imo) but they're obviously going for their own thing and add some personality into it, it's probably not aimed at someone like me but I'm sure there's a lot of people who get her personality...
Which is what seems to be peoples main issue with this trailer
@@fatbroccoli8 Yea I agree. I saw this trailer and said "not for me" and moved on. Combat looks awesome but the vibe doesn't do it for me. If reviews are good I'll give it a shot later. If they're great I'll buy it on launch. Ultimately not really something to get upset about. It's cringe but obviously this game is meant for a particular gamer.
But what’s unfortunate is that demographic is maybe 8% or gamers, this is called marginalising you’re target audience by trying to appeal to a minority audience
You're very right about Kojima, I was shocked when I learnt that the Low Roar music existed before Death Stranding and not made for the game because it feels genuinely perfect for that experience. Same case with much of the Hotline Miami soundtracks.
It doesn't feel like a decision made by a person but by a market study. Like, the marketing people were clearly asked to somehow mix up Whedon-esque dialogue, those social media text overlays, and all those safe bits for that one particular commission. Otherwise I see no real human thought put into it because the idea itself appeals to literally no one.
You haven’t seen many people with anime profile pictures try to socially interact have you
@@lucre113 There's certainly quite a few clowns in the anime community following some hateful people but the rest of the community is chill.
The thing is, they could have done this well with only a slight change of tone. In the izakai genre, there's generally a panic point where the character realizes that they aren't on Earth anymore and might not ever get back. You change the tone from hip to scared, you can at least keep the drama of the situation
Never seen isekai spelled like that. I like it.
@@phonebackup2083 Because it's not spelled like that, nor is it an alternate reading of the Kanji.
No way u just used isekai as an example of good writing lmao.
@@hankhill3365 Most of it might not be good but it sure is fun
izakai
This reminds me of the tv commercials that used to run for Metal Gear Solid here in the U.S. I was about 10 and remember being so uninterested from watching some goofball soldier "preparing" for suicide missions by jumping in and out of boxes.
The ads did nothing to show the amazing experience that MGS was, and I was lucky enough to watch an uncle play it and was shocked that it was the same game that those silly ads were about.
That makes sense tho because it’s Metal Gear Solid. that sounds pretty on brand
@@lucre113 you wouldn't know that until you played the games
I stopped what I was doing, and went onto my laptop because I had to fucking write this comment. -- STOP FUCKING OVERLY NITPICKING. This is a fucking RIDICULOUS criticism that has absolutely nothing to do with the game. The trailer fits fine, the voice is literally the voice of the character after she's been isekai'd into a new world, these are her thoughts about what the fuck is happening. ITS NOT THAT FUCKING DEEP HOLY SHIT. The gaming community is so vapid and ready to attack anything they possibly can for whatever imagined reason that it's so fucking obnoxious at this point. Lay off, get the fuck over this hate bandwagonism bullshit. You're better than this. EVERYONE should be better than this.
@@lucre113 I hear you, because MGS is funny at times. But those games are mostly full of some big concepts and drama and are super cinematic. Things that could have easily been played up in an ad.
Those old ads just made it look like MGS was going to be something like "Jackass". You play a dumb soldier who is going to be playing thru wacky obstacle courses like in Crash Bandicoot.
I was BLOWN away by Rocket Racoon in Guardians of the Galaxy. Let me get this straight. A RACOON that can TALK!? Animals talking in a movie, can you imagine that? I've never seen such an element being explored before in any Disney movie, or any other studio or as a literary device for that matter.
Funny enough, the dissonance between the image and sound was so great they automatically uncoupled in my brain and the trailer was just an ok gameplay vignette with a cutscene audio spliced on top.
it just reminded me of those youtubers who have a random game's gameplay in the background while they're talking about something completely unrelated to the gameplay.
@@TheBillsta01 That’s mainly just so they have SOMETHING to show visually, instead of a black screen or a still image.
Best way to make me feel like I'm a normal person thrust into a dark fantasy world that's actively trying to kill me:
Having Cortana quipping and turning everything into a joke.
I hope they don't pull an isekai protag and have you get with every girl (or guy, i ain't judging) in the game even the enemies, that and the quandale dingle ass tier dialogue combined oh dear lord
I saw this one a few days back I was like no way this is an actual trailer. This felt like a parody, something Team Four Star or Takahata101's team would concoct.
Like wow... what a Vibe Killer.
Tbh that'd be an insult to TFS, they have way better tone nuance than this, this is just amateurish.
@@pvshka Point being something a parody-maker would do. Same thing, nuance or non.
@@jack-exzolt9858 true
Nah, it just sounds like someone wants a comedic edge, but doesn't know how to write it.
Terrible dialogue aside, the gameplay does look pretty interesting. I’ll wait for the reviews on this one.
Honestly, reminds me of FF15. I didn’t hate that game. I did enjoy. But I paid 15 bucks. The combat was literally holding a bot run and pushing another at the right time.
This combat, reminds me of that.
@@irritatingtruth9121 if you look at uncut gameplay with the HUD on there’s a surprisingly amount of menuing and changing through spells. Hopefully that translates to depth in combat and not just flash with no substance.
@@irritatingtruth9121 Eh, It's better than Hogwarts or whatever that crap game is called. It doesn't sound like the tone is right for me given the meme trailer but they did a better job of incorporating magic into an open world than the Harry Potter game on probably a lot less money.
Intersting = mash some buttons to kill spongey autistic A.I. 💀💀🤣🤣
It’s sad that this generic looking piece of shit is considered acceptable to gamers in 2022
You reading that Kratos dialogue was funny, but the end made me cringe so hard I shrunk into myself and my soul shriveled up in anguish.
The exit from Helheim is that way.
Your Kratos voiceover made me laugh in my office. And then it made my coworkers laugh when I showed it to them. Thanks
I love your impersonation of Kratos, it made the tweet even more hilarious lmao
3:10
Well Yong is a voice actor after all lel
God tier voice acting for the God of War bit LOL love what you do man.
Honestly forgot this game was announced. And after that trailer, yeah I'm not missing out with this game.
I half expected her at the end to go "I fly now? I fly now."
They're trying to capture how a regular girl would react if she was suddenly flung into a magical world and finds out that she can do magic herself. But it just doesn't feel all that believable how the writing does it ~
It’s funny to see some people touting her as “how people would really react etc.” When, no if you had magic, and were forced to fight a dragon you wouldn’t be going “yippee!” you would be like Harry Potter in Goblet “I’m going to die, oh god”. I mean, imagine being forced to fight a bear using a handgun… “yippee!”
It kind of feels like the writer doesn't know they type of person they're writing about, so they are just writing stereotypes.
The script is not bad, it's just the voice actor can't put the soul in it. If you give this script to an actual experienced english or japanese VA, they would make the trailer much more interesting
Yeah, it doesn't feel believable at all. A real person separated from their home, all they love, and all they have built, and flung in world they don't know, that doesn't even have the same Physics as Earth, would be terrified. That's how humans are, we need the new but also some familiarity, a support network. No safety network, not knowing what to do while being confronted with challenges, having to rewrite so much of what you know and tells you how to act, means feeling helpless and walking into trauma territory.
Maybe there's people like that exist and react that way but I don't want that kind of person as the character I play as.
I think this dialogue was lifted from a scene where the delivery made sense originally.
PS: And if this is the case, then most trailers solve it by showing the frist snippet of the scene with the character talking, then cut away to the trailer. Then the audience understands the delivery makes sense.
These lines were said in more context in an earlier trailer which had more dialogue overall and explained or hinted at more of the story.
This seems like just a teaser based on an old trailer.
Or the opposite -- show the action/gameplay first to hook the audience, then cut to the original scene on the last line of dialog to ground the audience so that they'll buy the scenes that follow. Superhero movie trailers do this, especially if it's their first movie.
But honestly, I think people are thinking too much about this. It's likely the marketing team made a long version of the trailer that made sense, then are just trying to maximize their return by making a quick 30 second cut to be used on Twitter. They just grabbed the best parts of the gameplay and overlaid the audio without thinking twice, then added subtitles because most users seeing this are on mobile with no audio. I think it's unfair that people are getting the impression that this is what the game is, so hopefully when this game comes out it speaks for itself.
I stopped what I was doing, and went onto my laptop because I had to fucking write this comment. -- STOP FUCKING OVERLY NITPICKING. This is a fucking RIDICULOUS criticism that has absolutely nothing to do with the game. The trailer fits fine, the voice is literally the voice of the character after she's been isekai'd into a new world, these are her thoughts about what the fuck is happening. ITS NOT THAT FUCKING DEEP HOLY SHIT. The gaming community is so vapid and ready to attack anything they possibly can for whatever imagined reason that it's so fucking obnoxious at this point. Lay off, get the fuck over this hate bandwagonism bullshit. You're better than this. EVERYONE should be better than this.
Elden Ring's voice acting and narration is something they should really take from, i found it to be just pristine! it works extremely well and just serves to heighten the immersion to another level... non of it is over done or exaggerated, just feels natural with the settings and circumstances of it's world.
Yeah, Fromsoftware's writing and voice acting is one of the best out there.
FromSoft games since Demon's Souls at least have always had good voice acting and dialogue. Even the writing in the item description.
It really is just tired people mumbling though. Let's be real. It's good but it isn't great.
@@KTJMProductions hahaha I like that! but tbh I would have to disagree with simplifying it to that level, even if it is mumbling, it is also intentional mumbling, there is intention behind the voices of the actors and in their method of delivery, which definitely does not come off as fake nor amateurish, I mean compare it to forspoken and it's clear to see...
@@BolterityESO Hey man the voice acting is, like I said, good, but not everyone needs to whisper. You can take yourself too seriously too, and not everything needs to be gritty to be good. I think we as users of this site forget that we only make up about 15% of the gaming market. The other 85% sees a trailer and goes "oh cool" and then does other stuff with their day.
The trailer for the first Gears of War game with the song “Mad World”. That’s how to do a trailer.
I remember this game being teased for the first time as "project Athia" and my thoughts were "this looks like a cool fantasy action game, I wonder what kind of world this will be." But I immediately lost all interest when it was officially revealed as "Forspoken" and it was revealed to be an Isekai with the generic "I HaVe SuPeR pOwErS?!?!" Shtick. There are good isekai's out there, but a lot of the time I think, why does it have to be an isekai? why can't it just be a fantasy setting? Why does MC have to keep pointing out the powers they have? To me its boring and lazy, I'd rather have just the fantasy setting with the MC already knowing about the powers and abilities they can use.
took the words out of my mouth. I genuinely dont understand whats the appeal of "human gets thrown into a magical realm and never shuts up about their newly acquired powers". Like, you could make the character already from there¿?¿?¿?¿? or even from space, or from a separate continent. I dont get it.
@@saphinadarkness2502 It's the ULTIMATE self insert, leave worries/baggage/responsibilites behind power fantasy genre. So i can understand why it's popular, doesn't make it any less unoriginal.
@@saphinadarkness2502 One of the valid reasons is to have a main character the audience can relate to and is ignorant of the world's affairs. Some writers struggle to create this super immersive detailed world and NOT info-dump the audience when the character already knows all this. But if the character is also ignorant? Then they can integrate the questions the audience has with the main character's exploration of the world. Of course, neither approach is superior, execution is key.
Because that’s the way this particular story is being told. If you got a problem. Write your own story 🤷♂️
Because that’s the way this particular story is being told. If you got a problem. Write your own story 🤷♂️
We saw how this character talks to herself in previous stuff. I for one appreciate the devs probably giving me an, intentional or not, honest heads up of just how much cheese and corn they're committing to. Gives me time to mentally prepare for the hot mess monologue I'll have to wallow through just to experience this kind of action.
The best example I've ever seen of a game using a non game related track for their game was Batman: Arkham Knight. The way Rocksteady used to Frank Sinatra's "Under My Skin" to foreshadow the plot was masterclass.
I like how Marvels humor is over saturating so many dialogues in games and movies that we’ve become used to it and can predict almost exactly what they’re going to say.
Yet people still lapping it up, it's been a problem in games just as long as it's been a problem in movies.
AAA games and movies very rarely take risks anymore, if this does and goes to a dark place and has good character development then this kind of character can work really well... but they won't want to take that risk
I loved when she dropped the one ring into Eminem's mouth so stunning so brave I nearly freaking cried one of the greatest games I have ever watched the words simply do no justice
They had so much going for them. The gameplay, the exploration, the world they built, the visuals. They're all stellar. But they just HAD to taint it with their godawful writing and isekai premise.
There's nothing wrong with a isekai premise, isekai doesn't make bad writing good
Nothing has changed, I honestly have no clue why people are talking about this trailer.
Marvel gets away w/ this all the time and critics of this game eat it up all the time. It's just an excuses to bag on another game whose main character that doesn't represent themselves.
I stopped what I was doing, and went onto my laptop because I had to fucking write this comment. -- STOP FUCKING OVERLY NITPICKING. This is a fucking RIDICULOUS criticism that has absolutely nothing to do with the game. The trailer fits fine, the voice is literally the voice of the character after she's been isekai'd into a new world, these are her thoughts about what the fuck is happening. ITS NOT THAT FUCKING DEEP HOLY SHIT. The gaming community is so vapid and ready to attack anything they possibly can for whatever imagined reason that it's so fucking obnoxious at this point. Lay off, get the fuck over this hate bandwagonism bullshit. You're better than this. EVERYONE should be better than this.
@@jynxce Marvel is trash to be fair
The dissonance in relation to the music reminds me of the doom trailer a few years back that had hip hop instead of metal which caused a bit of fan backlash onto Bethesda not being aware of the tone of the game they were trying to market.
Yeah that was pretty horrific.
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@@lucascoval828 it did cause a sense of doom in the fan base 🤣
I do agree that hip hop music in a fantasy game feels dissonant, but I feel that you can make it work if you do it along the same lines as Guardians of the Galaxy movies: use it as a character trait. In GotG the music isn't just a cheap gimmick, it also ties into said music being the one thing Peter Quill has from Earth, and thus he has his music player full of 70's and 80's pop music in it. They could do it the same way here to better show that the main character is not from the world they're now in.
The trailer could actually work conceptually in trying to juxtapose a modern style with a fantasy setting since we are talking about a person from Earth falling into a mystical world, it just needs better scriptwriting and direction to better emphasize that.
And I’m the GotG tell tale video game!!
It seemed like they wanted to do a mix of a story and gameplay trailer, whereas they should have done them separate. Have one exploring the world and fighting without the need for dialogue, and another with more story detail. Show the character before entering the world, quick clip of finding the cuff (or even a bit of it talking) and showing why it may be significant, and introducing other (if any) characters you may see on your adventure (but not enough to truely spoil it). That would be more suitable for a narrative style trailer to get people interested in the story, instead of trying to mix both
They could do both but the creators of the trailer wanted to be hip with the kids
It's not even a cuff, it's a bangle...
Feels like an Aloy moment where the character talks to themselves to rationalize their situation. Guessing it is something from the game.
At least it made sense with Aloy. She grew up as an outcast so she HAD to talk to herself. What's Forspoken's excuse?
@@Nammjahtan Also, Aloy is much more serious and never over the top.
I fucking hate that in games.
This is exactly how the character is going to be lmao the dialogue was like this in the other trailer too. It's not a new problem.
"Let me get this straight" is like the little brother of "As you know"
I think the Outer Worlds 2 trailer nailed this style of trailer perfectly. The narrator was talking to the audience but it never took itself seriously and was genuinely funny to watch
This dialogue didn't take itself seriously either. That was the problem they both shared.
@@GeorgeMonet except for the outer worlds 2, it's actually shitposting on the very fact of these trailers even existing. By playing vicious mockery of the whole thing. And thing is, for that, IT FITS THE STYLE OF THE FRANCHISE. TONGUE IN CHEEK. Forspoken, it...didn't need this. Just, no. If I was behind the marketing for this, I'd shut the whole department down and say, "We're not gonna market it. Just put out a trailer on launch day, and pray that people like it. Let's use the power of goodwill and word of mouth to get this game to rise". Because if elden fucking ring can do this with decent marketing and letting the players spread the word and sell an insane amount of copies, then more companies should do so for this.
Why is every female character written as a Boomer's interpretation of a postmodern young girl mixed with Deadpool?
This will be a bargain bin buy for me. I have a feeling it will be heavily discounted very quickly.
I remember the first time I saw this game the gameplay looked REALLY interesting. Then the characters opened their mouths and I thought “oh no. I don’t want this anymore”. This whole deal definitely reinforced my worries about writing.
I thought people were overreacting when they called it cringe, but man, they were right. Unfortunately, I don't seem to have much hope about the writing, but gameplay still seems sick and may very well carry the game.
You can tell a game is bad just by looking at the characters. Safe to say I was correct.
I don't know. The VA is indeed cringe but that isn't anything new. Lots of games have shitty dubs. I'll just switch it to Japanese VAs. Problem solved. FYI the reason why the VA sucks so hard is because it's that Jade Wesker girl. So she's not even like an actual VA, just a shitty actor that got cast in this role...somehow.
It won’t
im actually pretty happy that this trailer came out cuz now I know that I dont want to buy this game anymore. The dialogue is enough for me. i love open world games and nice combat but Im so fucking tired of stupid ass overconfident, annoying, cringy main characters using 'MCU' ass dialogue. ONE OF THE BEST CHARACTERS IN GAMING HISTORY IS MASTER CHEIF AND HE BARELY SAYS A FUCKING THING!
Now you know? This trailer didn't have a single new piece of information since months and months ago.
Doomguy iirc, only says one word in the entire series, and he still is a freaking god
Calm down man it’s a fucking game lol
@@zackghost_1 Let people be passionate about things. 😒
@@BreatheMusic more like freaking out over nothing, this dude comment is more cringe than the main characters dialogue and if you were transported to a new world of fantasy and magic and you were dead calm about it let me know
You're a really good voice actor! You know, I really wish, Yong, that you would dedicate another channel or episodes to your voice acting. Maybe VA some comics or something. Or work with creators that need VAs. Please continue your path to this... You're very talented.
I think he's done some shows and video games already. He's pretty good, i hope he gets more chances to do more projects
He was the final boss voice in the DLC for Lost Judgement
he participate in jojo stone ocean as pucci
Hes average, nothing special, ive seen plenty of youtubers do voice acting, Yong aint any different from them
I've almost never seen a game destroy whatever hype it had faster. This went from one of the few upcoming games i had any interest in to a guaranteed no-buy.
or to put this in the same terms as the trailer:
"Well, THAT just happened"
_Self-immolates_
“I’ve almost never seen a game destroy whatever hype it had faster.” Well, there have been a lot before this, this wasn’t the worst and it won’t be the last.
It looks fun asf still
You should go write for Hollywood! You have their writing style down to a T!
I think I've spent too much time lurking twitch and catching some of the odd Door Dash and Adobe ads trying to act like they are part of the stream rather than a direct advertisement, which this is what it felt like. Yet, due to spending so much time on those streams, I feel like the voice actor is actually bored with the content she's reading. How many takes did it take before they went with that one...
I'm concerned about Hollywood's corporate influence on gaming. Stuff like this always feels like it was created by an advertising firm or focus testers, rather than having then having their finger on the pulse. You look at other game trailers and the game speaks for itself. Ya know, SHOW DON'T TELL.
More likely created by off-site trailer contractors, who don't have sufficient info about the game to make a decent trailer. High-quality ad companies' entire business is "show, don't tell" - the real messaging is almost never in what's being said, but in everything else, from the scenario/casting to the audio, even the lighting & cinematography put you in the desired receptive mood.
Took you a while... This isn't anything new. - It's just that people now seem to have started analyzing videogame-trailers as well, like the armchair-producers they are.
It reminds me of when they released the Mortal Kombat 11 teaser that had hip-hop music that did not feel right
And it’s a shame. You don’t see many isekai games and this one looked legitimately promising. But the dialogue reminds me of the old fan fictions I used to write when I was fourteen, BEFORE I learned what people actually sound like when they talk, even in a fantasy setting.