4:36 what was wrong with that? The driver of the white car indicated, waited for you to pass, then turned. Isn't that what you're supposed to do instead of cutting off the cyclist? I'm not trying to argue it just seems like this is the one example of a good driver in the whole video
in the Dutch language a driver is called "automobilist", i refer to deliberately bad driving ones as "asomobilist"... we tend to have far fewer idiots doing pointless overtakes on cyclists for in the Netherlands most drivers actually are cyclists too, so they know very well how to behave around cyclists. (the Netherlands have about 17.5 million inhabitants and has over 20 million bicycles. so it is not far off point to say that just about every Dutch citizen knows how to cycle.)
As a motorist and a cyclist, I can see things from both sides, but there are some twats out there, both in cars and on bikes. The big difference is twats in cars can be lethal! When on my bike I try to tell myself every car is "out to get me" and ride defensively.
As a Dutch cyclist a few things. I understand that the cameras and their angles might give somewhat of a distorted view with distances between you and the cars. Most of the passes I saw looked to be fairly ok (and yes, a few absolute w4nkers in there as well) but some situation... I can understand they would make you feel uncomforable/unsafe. However I feel that sometimes you do use up a lot of roadspace for a cyclist. Again, cameras don't show the full picture (weirdly ennough lol) so there might have been very legit reasons for you to do so. And mate... those roads... holy macaroni... they don't do road maintenance in the UK? Forget about the cars.. those roads look awful to cycle on when it comes to surface.
Given the lack of space on most of those roads taking what the Brits call 'primary position' (i.e. in the middle of the lane) is very much the right thing to do.
@@kristofprovost so in the UK you can drive wherever you want without regards to traffic? Good to know, I'll then continue to drive on the right hand side when I visit. More comfortable to me.
I confess to an instinctive urge to pass cyclists when I am in my car, and temper that by trying to do it very safely. Also, I believe that we register as stationary obstacles, or at most moving very slowly, say at 5-10mph. Motorists just can't factor in speeds between 0 and their speed, so they estimate they need far less distance to pass a cyclist than is really the case.
"Motorists just can't factor in speeds between 0 and their speed" I Don't know man, here in the Nettherlands motorists do that every single day. There is a difference between "can't" and ""can't be bothered to try"
@@mavadelo Agreed, man. What I should have said was "are mentally incapable of". You can get a better understanding of the sad state of driving in the US by looking at the "Fridays with Frank" channel. People careening around at 20-30mph over the speed limit with a suspended license (or never got one), too stupid to grasp that drawing attention to themselves by speeding might be unwise. As for judging speed, every day motorists come up behind me (on the expressway in my car) and can't figure out how to change lanes to pass me, not moving into perfectly reasonable gaps in the other lane. Perhaps they are doing Important Stuff on their phones. Understandable that this is difficult to comprehend, living as you do in the nirvana of the Netherlands where gravity has been turned off, suspending the laws of physics so nobody has to muss their hair by wearing a helmet.
@@paulflory3532 Nah, I sadly have seen enough videos about cycling in other countries including US and UK that I do understand. I have seen the near misses (accidental and on purpose), the black smoke and the cutting off. I heard the abuse you can get in some countries simply because you operate a non gas guzzling vehicle. Yeah, you are correct that I live in a cyclist heaven (we sadly still have gravity) which for an avid cycler like I am is of course perfect. But without your clarification (thank you) it looked like an excuse rather than something else. Same with my other comment btw. I don't mean it to critique your driving habits, it is merely a comparison to how I would ride. I have driven in bike unfriendly countries (heck, when I grew up, the Netherlands was car focused, just like everywhere else) so I have, limited, experience with it.
@@mavadelo “Fridays with Frank” is not a cycling channel. Frank is a deputy sheriff in a traffic unit in Arizona, and these are vids of his stops, videoed & produced by his dept. Latest concerns a guy driving 79 in a 45mph zone, stoned, license suspended, whizzing to Walmart to get phone charger, shampoo, and earrings for his Mom. He got arrested, car got towed to impound. Helps me understand what’s out there, even though obviously they film the extreme cases. In bad weather I do virtual rides on my indoor trainer, have done a few in the Netherlands. Unremitting flat is just not for me, even indoors minus the headwinds. An actual ride along the Pacific coastal plain of Guatemala is an unpleasant memory: dead flat so no breaks at all, hot/humid. Other parts of Guate were great. Give me varied terrain: parts of the US, most of UK, France, Spain (especially Mallorca, which is a cycling heaven to me). BTW two of the most annoying phrases on cycling channels are: “I ride a bicycle too” and “Here in the Netherlands”. Sorry!
Some of your riding positions are inviting a pass, when there is oncoming traffic and not enough room for a safe pass take a more controlling position and make it clear, Sharpen those bar ends and start trading some paint
At 7:05, it looks like the cyclist rode over the crossing when there were people waiting to cross and again at 7:12. All in all, this was just another cyclist trying to find the tiniest thing to complain about, the only service that this did was because he wanted the footage for TH-cam, he never rode through a red traffic light like they very often do but he did earlier go through an amber light when he could and should have stopped but he was too concerned with pointing out that the car was in the left turn lane and carried on straight, the car was in the wrong though. The last three drivers deserved their convictions though.
Mate those two crossings were fine, especially the 2nd one as they arrived at the crossing at about the same time as the cyclist. You're just angry, probably because you're fat and need to hop on a bike yourself...
Do you know what the zigzags before a zebra crossing mean? NO overtaking no matter the circumstance. They also mean no parking so there is no reason you should have to go on the other side of the carriageway. Really the guy on the bike should have stopped but if they did it would risk the car go into the back of them.
@@cornishalps9870 I was not saying that the driver was not doing something wrong, I was pointing out that the cyclist should have stopped because there were people waiting to cross. The car was not at the back of him, he stopped before he reached the crossing.
Regarding the zebra crossing I'm not sure if you're right or not. You must give way, but there's no rule you have to stop. If you can cross without slowing down the pedestrian then what is there to give way to? The rules/law don't seem to clarify either way so it seems to be open to interpretation
@@richardschofield2201 Rule 195 in the Highway Code states that: you MUST give way when a pedestrian has moved onto a crossing. I don`t know if a pedestrian had actually stepped onto the crossing.
Overtaking someone and then immediately turning left is pretty dumb, regardless of the infrastructure and street layout. I've never seen anyone do that to an artic'.
@@Nevsdog haha yeah true, but then there's also examples of cyclists not understanding roundabouts, not respecting pedestrians, being unaware of blind spots etc etc.
Outside of the jetta, this would be a really good day of cycling in the US. This feels like a waste of 10 minutes. Like most of this is mildly bad driving at worst. It is a different culture, but most of that is fairly low speed with some lethargic, predictable, air-headed drivers.
stop as yield is safer for cyclists -- braking profiles of cars and bikes differ & most of the crash risk for bikes comes from behind. its called an idaho stop in the states & its way safer.
4:36 what was wrong with that? The driver of the white car indicated, waited for you to pass, then turned. Isn't that what you're supposed to do instead of cutting off the cyclist? I'm not trying to argue it just seems like this is the one example of a good driver in the whole video
in the Dutch language a driver is called "automobilist", i refer to deliberately bad driving ones as "asomobilist"...
we tend to have far fewer idiots doing pointless overtakes on cyclists for in the Netherlands most drivers actually are cyclists too, so they know very well how to behave around cyclists.
(the Netherlands have about 17.5 million inhabitants and has over 20 million bicycles. so it is not far off point to say that just about every Dutch citizen knows how to cycle.)
As a motorist and a cyclist, I can see things from both sides, but there are some twats out there, both in cars and on bikes. The big difference is twats in cars can be lethal! When on my bike I try to tell myself every car is "out to get me" and ride defensively.
As a Dutch cyclist a few things. I understand that the cameras and their angles might give somewhat of a distorted view with distances between you and the cars. Most of the passes I saw looked to be fairly ok (and yes, a few absolute w4nkers in there as well) but some situation... I can understand they would make you feel uncomforable/unsafe. However I feel that sometimes you do use up a lot of roadspace for a cyclist. Again, cameras don't show the full picture (weirdly ennough lol) so there might have been very legit reasons for you to do so.
And mate... those roads... holy macaroni... they don't do road maintenance in the UK? Forget about the cars.. those roads look awful to cycle on when it comes to surface.
Given the lack of space on most of those roads taking what the Brits call 'primary position' (i.e. in the middle of the lane) is very much the right thing to do.
@@kristofprovost if you're in the middle of the lane, you should be able to do the speed limit or follow preceding traffic.
@@svr5423 That's not actually the case in the UK.
@@kristofprovost so in the UK you can drive wherever you want without regards to traffic?
Good to know, I'll then continue to drive on the right hand side when I visit. More comfortable to me.
@@svr5423 Sigh. Could you be any more of a typical carbrain? So confident, so angry, so wrong.
I don't think it's ill will, just incompetence most of the time.
I confess to an instinctive urge to pass cyclists when I am in my car, and temper that by trying to do it very safely.
Also, I believe that we register as stationary obstacles, or at most moving very slowly, say at 5-10mph. Motorists just can't factor in speeds between 0 and their speed, so they estimate they need far less distance to pass a cyclist than is really the case.
"Motorists just can't factor in speeds between 0 and their speed" I Don't know man, here in the Nettherlands motorists do that every single day. There is a difference between "can't" and ""can't be bothered to try"
@@mavadelo Agreed, man. What I should have said was "are mentally incapable of". You can get a better understanding of the sad state of driving in the US by looking at the "Fridays with Frank" channel. People careening around at 20-30mph over the speed limit with a suspended license (or never got one), too stupid to grasp that drawing attention to themselves by speeding might be unwise.
As for judging speed, every day motorists come up behind me (on the expressway in my car) and can't figure out how to change lanes to pass me, not moving into perfectly reasonable gaps in the other lane. Perhaps they are doing Important Stuff on their phones.
Understandable that this is difficult to comprehend, living as you do in the nirvana of the Netherlands where gravity has been turned off, suspending the laws of physics so nobody has to muss their hair by wearing a helmet.
@@paulflory3532 Nah, I sadly have seen enough videos about cycling in other countries including US and UK that I do understand. I have seen the near misses (accidental and on purpose), the black smoke and the cutting off. I heard the abuse you can get in some countries simply because you operate a non gas guzzling vehicle.
Yeah, you are correct that I live in a cyclist heaven (we sadly still have gravity) which for an avid cycler like I am is of course perfect. But without your clarification (thank you) it looked like an excuse rather than something else.
Same with my other comment btw. I don't mean it to critique your driving habits, it is merely a comparison to how I would ride. I have driven in bike unfriendly countries (heck, when I grew up, the Netherlands was car focused, just like everywhere else) so I have, limited, experience with it.
@@mavadelo “Fridays with Frank” is not a cycling channel. Frank is a deputy sheriff in a traffic unit in Arizona, and these are vids of his stops, videoed & produced by his dept. Latest concerns a guy driving 79 in a 45mph zone, stoned, license suspended, whizzing to Walmart to get phone charger, shampoo, and earrings for his Mom. He got arrested, car got towed to impound. Helps me understand what’s out there, even though obviously they film the extreme cases.
In bad weather I do virtual rides on my indoor trainer, have done a few in the Netherlands. Unremitting flat is just not for me, even indoors minus the headwinds. An actual ride along the Pacific coastal plain of Guatemala is an unpleasant memory: dead flat so no breaks at all, hot/humid. Other parts of Guate were great. Give me varied terrain: parts of the US, most of UK, France, Spain (especially Mallorca, which is a cycling heaven to me).
BTW two of the most annoying phrases on cycling channels are: “I ride a bicycle too” and “Here in the Netherlands”. Sorry!
@@paulflory3532 😂Yeah, I can imagine. Similar to our annoyance with "the people in Europe do/are/say/think..."
Some of your riding positions are inviting a pass, when there is oncoming traffic and not enough room for a safe pass take a more controlling position and make it clear, Sharpen those bar ends and start trading some paint
At 7:05, it looks like the cyclist rode over the crossing when there were people waiting to cross and again at 7:12. All in all, this was just another cyclist trying to find the tiniest thing to complain about, the only service that this did was because he wanted the footage for TH-cam, he never rode through a red traffic light like they very often do but he did earlier go through an amber light when he could and should have stopped but he was too concerned with pointing out that the car was in the left turn lane and carried on straight, the car was in the wrong though. The last three drivers deserved their convictions though.
Mate those two crossings were fine, especially the 2nd one as they arrived at the crossing at about the same time as the cyclist. You're just angry, probably because you're fat and need to hop on a bike yourself...
Do you know what the zigzags before a zebra crossing mean? NO overtaking no matter the circumstance. They also mean no parking so there is no reason you should have to go on the other side of the carriageway. Really the guy on the bike should have stopped but if they did it would risk the car go into the back of them.
@@cornishalps9870 I was not saying that the driver was not doing something wrong, I was pointing out that the cyclist should have stopped because there were people waiting to cross. The car was not at the back of him, he stopped before he reached the crossing.
Regarding the zebra crossing I'm not sure if you're right or not. You must give way, but there's no rule you have to stop.
If you can cross without slowing down the pedestrian then what is there to give way to?
The rules/law don't seem to clarify either way so it seems to be open to interpretation
@@richardschofield2201 Rule 195 in the Highway Code states that: you MUST give way when a pedestrian has moved onto a crossing. I don`t know if a pedestrian had actually stepped onto the crossing.
Saving the best till last
Until the UK builds proper cycling infrastructure I don't think either cyclists or motorists are to blame..
Regardless of that, surely anyone with an IQ higher than 10 would not overtake a cyclist then turn left 20 feet further down the road?
Overtaking someone and then immediately turning left is pretty dumb, regardless of the infrastructure and street layout.
I've never seen anyone do that to an artic'.
@@Nevsdog haha yeah true, but then there's also examples of cyclists not understanding roundabouts, not respecting pedestrians, being unaware of blind spots etc etc.
that’s not what the highway code says, like to see you use that one with a magistrate
@hhouse1234 there's also examples of blokes called Dave who don't understand the highway code, how's your point anymore valid than this one?
Outside of the jetta, this would be a really good day of cycling in the US. This feels like a waste of 10 minutes. Like most of this is mildly bad driving at worst. It is a different culture, but most of that is fairly low speed with some lethargic, predictable, air-headed drivers.
the guy who made the video is arguing he's been discriminated....which makes him a very inconsiderate snitch
Why are you not stoping in front of cards at the lights? Riding a massive wide cargo bike or something? =)
Brother! What did you do wrong in a past life?
He most likely doesn't know.
What's your excuse?
No such thing as a past life. You're born, you die, and that's it.
And some fell on stony ground. You can't win 'em all!
@@kevelliott all the ones that I reported were sent a NIP
@@4ChordsNoNet Well done mate! Let us know what results you get.
7:02 u failed to stop u hypocrite
Tbf he was probably distracted by the driver who was starting to pull an illegal move of overtaking at a zebra crossing.
stop as yield is safer for cyclists -- braking profiles of cars and bikes differ & most of the crash risk for bikes comes from behind. its called an idaho stop in the states & its way safer.
@@johanneskronenberg6679 how is the United States safer when everybody owns a gun
@@johanneskronenberg6679 you have to stop AND put your foot down. Otherwise it's a traffic violation.