(634) XPUZMAG (Alien Technology) Picked & Gutted
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- In this video I look at the XPUZMAG door lock, which I consider alien technology, and show I got it picked and gutted.
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Great video! I discussed this lock on a forum & Lockman28 confirmed that the lock is only ever made with real pins in those 6 positions.
It seems the designer of the lock is a liar - he told Lockman28 that there are 40 possible depths per pin (simply ridiculous, especially given the poor tolerances) & claimed that the pins which the key doesn't interact with can get stuck blocking the shear line, if they're depressed during picking.
I recently ran across this lock on ebay and the "inventor" is advertising that "bosnianbill can't be pick". I challenged him on this and sent a link to this video. He responded by calling bosnianbill a liar, and making some dubious claims, such as that he sent a new lock to him through Lockman28 and that Lockman28 responded "I know it is a odd situation, but the good news is Bill has not been able to pick the new lock yet, "
Too bad he couldn't just take the criticism and feedback and improve the design of his product.
John Cuzzourt just saw this on ebay myself, asked him if he knew Bosnianbill had picked it and he also called him a cheater.
Dear chocko-sf,
Thank you
bosnianbill(634) video is cheating
I believe XPUZMAG can't be
pick without any destroy.
bosnianbill Hide (634)XPUZMAG PO text:
Nov 27,
2014 my challenged:
I'm the inventor of XPUZMAG. I challenged the
following two things after watching the video.
1. You already have the own
key that you can test the lock based on the known key pins.
2. The surface
beside our logo scratched severely. That means you tore the lock first and
then pretended to proceed unlock. You are cheat and unfair to do this. You
should unlock it by setting the original lock on the door and without
getting the own key. It would be fair that you use your ability to unlock
it.
bosnianbill reply:
First,I'd like to compliment you on your
innovative and creative design. It is very refreshing to see someone put
such extraordinary effort into a high security lock and I was very lucky to
be the first to examine the design.
1. Yes, I had 6 keys delivered with
the lock, which I showed in the introduction.
2. Yes, the lock face was
scratched. It arrived that way.
3. Yes, I disassembled the lock prior
to making the video. I had picked it several times prior to the
disassembly and wanted to know why 17 of the pins appeared non-functional.
I stated tis up front several times.
4. Yes, it was not in a door, but
mounted in a vise to simulate a door. It is not the same but really makes
no practical difference.
Your lock has great potential and with slight
improvements would be one of the most secure locks on the market. To
remove any doubt that the current design is vulnerable to picking, you may
send me a lock, without keys and with a sealed back. I will show the
sealed lock on camera and pick it.
Sincerely,
bosnianbill
I accepted
bosnianbill suggestion and sent bosnianbill a new XPUZMAG through Lockman
28 by airmail on Dec 20, 2014.
I received a message from Lockman28:
Bill
has not been able to pick the new lock yet,
been so long since then,I
haven't seen the result of the retest yet
-onsun9801
@@johncuzzourt2118 The seller hasn't sold any as he has 0 feedback. One google would only show someone said lock being picked. Just a butthurt inventor.
Presumably if a lock like this was in use for a while you would be able to tell the real pins from the fake ones by visual inspection as the real ones would be kept shiny by being rubbed by the key.
This same idea allowed me to open all apartment houses with keypad locks while I was distributing flyers because the used buttons would have massive dirt marks.
zwz • zdenek That's interesting. Solution would be for everyone to have their own PIN like you do at the bank ATM. (Although on second thoughts that needs a card or you are increasing the number of PINs that will get you in.)
Kinda like how I choose which females to date.
800lb Gorilla Mark
End of a interesting conversation by bringing up women.
Beastwolf1 Thanks for your fascinating commentary.
They are falsely advertising this lock as "BosnianBill can't be picked" as the tag line.
As a mold maker I find the key to be particularly disappointing. You get a good view at 16:54. You can see an empty location at about the 2:30 position. Otherwise the rest of the key is empty, unused space besides two smaller circles on the floor for the ejector pins, at about 3:30 and 9:30, which eject it from the mold. The absence of any other circles on floor means there are no other possible plugged pin locations in the mold. Unless I can't see them due to the picture quality and light angle. Meaning ,if they only have one mold, there are only 7 pin positions that can ever be active, the horizontal locator pin is always in the same spot as is the vertical locator tube, and all the rest are always dummies.
Is it not possible or likely that they're using different molds?
@@GenEmperor real question is does that really matter with how easily he got in
@@GenEmperor For a really large production run, yes. A different mold would be faster to change out, keeping up the high pace. But this thing just won't have the volume to justify a different mold, it would be cheaper to reuse the same mold but modified with different inserts. But this is multiplied by every ,or at least some combinations.
Thanks, Bill. You're teaching us not only how to pick locks, but more importantly, *how to think*. That's a more useful survival skill than picking locks.
"security through obscurity"
Fantastic work Bill!
Thank you so much for taking the time to analyze the lock! Your videos are very valuable and helpful!
Cool looking lock. It's to bad, lots of thought and effort took the cheep rout and went with non live pins. It would be a nasty pick with 23 pins with spool and T pins loaded in all chambers. Not to mention how difficult it would be drill out.......
i'm pretty sure you'd want to cut around it, no one wants to drill through 23 pins
Yea 1inch hole saw would most likely be the ticket as long as it is not hardened or stainless steel.
張瑞 actually, it could be picked without destroying it, even if all the pins were real, it would just take a lot of time.
張瑞 I'm not sure why you answer this, what I meant is that either by imputing manually, or by making an actuated key (pin that can be pushed or pulled via a coil), and entering every possible combination, the lock can be opened, and in addition, you get the key combination.
Certainly does look like an intimidating lock and you figured a way to exploit it to get it opened. Don't see how the "inventor" can call you a cheat when you took time and effort to figure it out and then explain what you learned. Improvements would make it a tougher lock to pick for sure
First thing: "Why does he picking a meat grinder?"
I thought he was picking a shower drain. I thought Bill was so serious about security even his traps were locked up.
I thought it was a faulse drain for hiding stashed stuff
Angry Goose LOL! 😂
Also, the pins can be decoded by measuring how far they can be depressed. A probe with a scale marked on it would be all that's required.
I just sat through 3 of your videos 10 hair pins and 40 mins of patience and I just got my brinks unlock thanks bosianbill
Now you are probably defeating medecos and Primus locks
Update?
@bosnianbill so i went to ebay to price this lock..right on the main description it said" bosnian bill can't pick this lock"
LOL great videos! thanks
It would be awesome to see you make a compilation of all your locks popping open when you pick them back to back
I came home and found my lock has these same blue marks all over them. LOL
Ha Ha! Least they could do was clean away the evidence :)
Funny thing is my door had blue marker all over it today to?
I like that you don't run away from something like this lock =)
Took me a while to try and choose a favorite video because you've had so many over the years. Bill I would like to thank you. Your channel is what got me into lock picking as a hobby and what has taught me the skills I now have and which I have had to use a few times when I've locked myself out of the house or lost a key to something. I can't thank you enough for the time you spent making videos that taught and informed many of us. While I had always had the dream of designing a lock to send in in hopes you couldn't pick it, I understand your decision to retire from making videos and you will be missed. Again thank you so much you were a great teacher that always made learning these skills interesting.
Even if it’s not that hard to pick, its immune to most of the common quick attacks (raking, bumping) and it would seem to take longer than other locks considering it only has 6 standard pins
Security through obscurity isn't security.... It obviously has limitations and bosnianbill found them. Chinese made, only so many key possibilities as well as being a bulky key. Not a good lock really. I certainly wouldn't trust it, I'd rather pony up the money for an assa abloy. Better pick resistance, better quality material. This supposedly "unique" lock is plain junk.
Looks like a sink or tub drain. LOL
As a prototype it's a neat idea. It adds 2 extra steps, finding the orientation of the tab then finding the live pins. Then of course you still have to pick a 6 pin lock with a unique tensioner. That key is pretty awkward though.
Buy one lock, and you'll know which six pins are used in all of the locks from that manufacturer.
Thank you for all your videos and all the interesting facts you gave us over the years. Hope you enjoy your time with Family and more free time. You can watch back with a smile, because all the content you gave us is such a great thing that you can be proud about what you have done the last years. THANK YOU.
Great digest Bill. That key looks like it will break after one drop which is probably one of the reasons why the lock came with so many.
Also if average family of 4 people: 1 key each? Most key cutters would not be geared up to make spares. Although Bill could 3D Print new ones.
Thanks Bill. Interesting lock, but with compromises, including the Zinc core, and the fact that probably every lock has the same six pins being used. As you say, it looks intimidating, so it does have some merit. I'd hate to have to carry around several of those keys in a pocket, or on a keyring though!
Hello Bill,
Look at the key, how many molds do you think they made for their keys? How many pin combinations are possible with one mold?
It smells a lot like a cheap ass lock that tries to impress by it's looks...
edit: should have waited till the end of the video with the comment, but still the keys are already indicators for the guts of the lock
The lock more or less resembles a military signal connector. They are also round with a lot of pins
Thank you for everything you put out all this years
Love you and miss you Bill! Enjoy your time with your family!!
Thought this was a shower drain install video at first! Another great video, thank you!!
This lock can be improved a lot.
If the cover had, for example, 12 holes, and there were 23 pins, there would be a lot more places it would line up. In this case, if you try to pick itin de wrong position, some pins would be covered.
Also, if the lock was designed to turn twice, the lock picker would have to pick it a second time, because all pins reset.
it will turn twice if your [whatever the bar that locks the door is called] permits it, I think
i thought the same after posting this comment, silly me :p
It's a neat design, but the hardest part is just figuring out how it works at all.
Once you've got that, it's pretty easy to pick.
Great work. I would have never think to see someone solve it so fast !
If they can make all the fake pins feel the same at the real ones that would be perfect.
👍
You dont even need to do that, just fill up the extra place with pins with the same back springs, and depth, that way you atleast can get like 4 or 5 extra dummy pins, since you dont need much more then that
@@petermccannell7565 Or you could just make all of them functional pins, using a grab bag of serrated/spool/mushroom pins. It certainly wouldn't be pick proof but at that point it's just a war of attrition, you'd be there all day poking at pins wondering which one of the 23 pins were in a false set, what order to pick them in, and then figuring out how to tension a lock like that. If they were all live pins, you'd probably have to make a dedicated tension tool similar to what he used, except using hollow tubing so you could still reach in and pick the underlying pins. Furthermore, if the key pins were tapered to a sharp point toward the key, using anything but a thick pin going straight in to set them would be out of the question too...a simple pick would slide right off them, even Bill slipped off the normal pins a time or two during the process. The concept has a lot of wasted potential, I think.
@@Skinflaps_Meatslapper the issue is the space required they couldn't claim to have the same pin count and keep the lock as small as it was
@@petermccannell7565 They wouldn't be able to use the same casting because of the rear half only having enough material for those particular live pins, but a solid body of the same size would have enough space to drill out all 23 holes with room for pins and springs. Like I said, the concept has potential, which is not to say this exact lock does.
My co-worker showed me this lock just last week, so it was pretty cool to see you pick it. I sent him the video.
What would spining the thing around after you lock the lock really do? Seems like it would take all of a few seconds to spin the thing around until you see it is aligned. I really dont think taking that extra second to spin the pin cover around after you lock it would really make things any more difficult
Fascinating to see the constantly evolving lock technologies and designs, and the expert pickers almost always keeping up with them :)
Every lock has a built-in "flaw" that can be exploited: they are designed to be opened.
Based on the casting, their locks either only use the same 6 pins, or they have a very small set of parts that vary. That would mean which 6 pins are used could be easily determined by knowing the catalog variations.
Am i first to say this? take it a drill press or mill and make more pin holes? make the lock what it can be. 22 pins. throw some spools and shit in there. you can improve this thing a lot
Hey BosnianBill, thanks for lots of great videos and have a happy youtube retirement.
We'll miss you!
At the point you used a carbon steel file as a tension bar I cringed, I hope it's only a cheap one :-)
It's very light tension
That was awesome! You make it look so easy... Thanks much!
I clicked on this video without looking at the description…. I thought it was a sink drain.😂
Yes, very cool lock Bill and never seen one before. Funny you said "Drain Holes" as when watching the video I said shower plug hole... The ones designed to stop hair blocking pipes up LOL!!!!
I thought he was about to start picking a sink drain haha
Great tear-down! I know when I first saw it, I was intimidated.
So what if this was a true 23 pin with security pins?
Well it would be a heck of a lot harder. :)
looks impressive, but not all too different from a regular pin tumbler
I know this is an old video....but my thoughts are as follows... given the ample "purchase room" for all the fake pins/holes, could you literally just craft a little tool that fit into all of the holes then just.... attach the tool to a breaker bar and snap the pins? You could certainly drop some metal pins down in there that are stronger than the brass pins. And since there are 17 fake ones.... there's plenty of opportunity to overpower the 6 real pins. 17 pins > 6 pins in terms of strength.
Hi Bill! I love to watch Ur vids! Never try to pick any lock but you are doing it in so plesure way that its sooo interesting to watch;-)
All the best from Poland!:-)
Way to go Bill. So how many depths does it have?? So we are still dealing with just a 6 pin lock and if there are only 3 depths(by looks of your key) than the number of combinations would be 3x3x3x3x3x3. And since the pins are horizontal all the combinations are working keys.
I think this could very easily be beaten quickly in a destructive manner. Make a tool with a dozen or so strong steel pins just long enough to engage the lock. Then attach a long, strong lever (pipe, breaker bar, whatever) to the tool and twist that sucker. Should be able to sheer the brass key pins and open the lock in seconds.
But the zinc body is too weak to shear brass. The steel pins would be forced to bend and therefore likely break.
I was waiting for you to get hold of one of these. Great video as usuall!
Half way through I thought for a second maybe this was an April fools video and it was just a shower head
They should make all 23 pins real so it will be hard to pick.
I need that intro sequence 🤣
Neat variation on the Aussie hotdog lock.
Glad you had a chance at this lock! Could very easily be improved.
Put as many false pins as you like, make multiple positions of the rotating cover also "align" on many "correct positions" that aren't correct and put a bunch of trap pins. But they should not have had the holes in the lock where pins that weren't critical, perhaps two extra holes and guarantee trap pins in them from either of the "correct or aligned" rotating cover positions.
Happy retirement!!💕
Best of luck with your retirement, you made the right decision choosing priorities!
Saw it a few days ago, couldnt wait for Bill to tear it appart :))))
Excellent vid Bill! Seen this demonstrated and was hoping you would get a crack at one.
Well done again.
Bill after looking at the thumb nail when my shower drain gets plugged i usually start with a Plunger not lock picks
Are you sure it's not a meat grinder?
They really love their Zinc.. I don't trust the stuff for several reasons, and I'd like to know how it stands up to corrosion. A bit of salt water in there and you've basically got yourself a battery.
Great video Bill! Keep up the good work
What an interesting Lock I've never seen one like it. Very Cool. Keep up the great work Bill. Nick.
Great work and picking.
I won't say typical Chinese short cuts...but the evidence speaks for itself. The strength of its design is its sheer intimation factor with its presentation for (thief at the door). But to go through the trouble of NOT making this lock design bullet proof and taking a very cheap and lazy design option is very disappointing. Great video Sir!
The inventor of the lock said he gave you an updated one and you failed to pick it and then promptly deleted the video. Is that true?
Yes, it is true but your statement is slightly out of context. Yes, he send an "updated" lock, claiming it was the current production model. Yes, I failed to pick it and I published the video. Later, I discovered his "updated, current production" lock was actually highly modified,custom pinned lock with elements NOT in the production model. Basically, he attempted to deceive people, so I simply removed the video to deprive him of the positive exposure. I do not tolerate cheaters or liars on this channel or in my life. The sad part of this whole episode is that the design is pretty good. Had he NOT included mostly fake pins, and included some security pins in the original design, the XPUZMAG would have been an awesome lock.
Bosnianbill thanks for the reply. It's a shame he took criticism so hostile instead of looking at it as a way to improve his unique design.
Great vids Bill. Wouldn't you have to make a different bible section for every different position combination? Looks like it is cast with those specific positions, so you would have to cast a different bible every time. Imagine trying to code and inventory that. No thanks.
You are the man.
Cheers BBill!
Another great video. Thanks Bill. I am learning so much here.
Late bump - the plastic for the key is injection molded, likely they are all the same or a small finite number - the tooling for injection molding is expensive I.e. the molds are expensive to make, they likely have few variations. unless they are a megacorp who makes money by having such a such a product in their lineup as opposed to selling such a product
I thought it was a sink drainage plughole as well when I first seen it lol
Great video great lock
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Great job Bill. That is a very cool lock!
It's a good idea, but extremely badly implemented. And the keys are too bulky to carry around.
Great video as usual Bill. Have you had a chance to further inspect your sparrow order, just wondering how the products you ordered have held up. Keep up the great work.
_YOU STOLE MY SHOWER HEAD!!_
Happy retirement!
Sinc the book only has the casting for 6 pins unless they have a high number of different books available they must all be keyed the same. It seems unlikely they would have made hundreds of castings to match all the possibilities. If they were making different keys then the book would likely be solid and the holes drilled to match the key. I would bet either every one has the same 6 pins or there are very few combinations available.
Its still listed on eBay as Bosnianbill can’t be picked. Also says can’t be bumped but I guess you Showed that part to be true at least.
You make it to easy, great job
Very nicely done Mr.Bill, cool looking lock though
Take a little off the base of the pins on the key try to bump it again ? 👍✌️
bosnianbill Hey Bill! Nice video! I am just wondering if you have received the lock that I ordered to your house. It should have been delivered last Saturday. I'm just checking just in case. Thanks!
No problem Bill. I was just checking. Thanks!
Alright. Thanks for letting me know. I'll be sending you some more locks soon hopefully.
Thought youtube recommended a vid about sink strainers.
Reminds me of the dentist checking for cavities when he was picking it 💀
I'm betting that if you get 10 of these, you'll find that they all have the same pin stack positions, only with different key pins.
I don't think so. Lockman28 showed the original bag with a combination number for ordering duplicate keys and the number had (presumably) two letters for the used pins combination and 6 numbers for bitting depths.
Agreed, the cost of casting that may different variations of pin stack positions, combined with where it is made, dosent lead me to believe there are an infinite number of cores with different "live" pin positions. I watched Lockman`s vid on this lock and now BB`s...never took note of pin positions....time to go back and compare lol
EDIT: Well after going back and comparing screen shots from Bill`s vid with the one from Lockman, I can conclude that either the lock that Bill got is the one from the Lackman vid or there is only one casting for the pinstack.
I always tell people that any lock or door can be picked or bypassed, so they should get along with a good lock Medecco, Best, Xpuzmag, etc, a security system. There are many out there but the security system is an excellent last line of defense to any commercial or residential home or building, the lock and door is just a 1st line of defense to slow them or deter any would be thief. So please any inventor of any lock don't be offended if your lock is picked or bypassed, it did take him a long time to pick this lock in the first place, so in a sense any thief would have given up on breaking into what ever home or business and either looked for another way to break in either if it takes a thief more than 20 minutes that's an eternity where they can be caught. I am learning Locksmithing actually finished looking for a place to work in the field it's bitch when you have no experience.
Seems like it would be an awesome lock if it had some variance
Thanks for showing people how to pick locks so they can steal from others.
Statistics show that only about 2% of burglaries are the result of lock picking when a householder is present, and only 4% when a house is empty: www.art-of-lockpicking.com/criminals-dont-pick-locks/ There are much quicker, and often easier, ways for thieves to gain entry. So showing these methods is not going to make things any worse.
You're a fool if that's your take away from this. It's meant to educate people in lock sport. Not to mention you bring a negative connotation to his channel.
The *REAL* interesting thing to me, is that there's a patent number for _China_ *and* _Taiwan_ on there. Where's it made? If it's made in either country, _that's_ what interests me seeing as *China* thinks *Taiwan* _is_ *China.*
Thought that you were clearing a drain...lol
They're more difficult than Master brand.
That's not a high bar lol...
Great lock idea. Too bad the holes align the way they do.
If there are only 6 active pins, it would be easy to simply cut 6 pins and insert the pins into the hole instead of picking!
Make every hole completly the same. The plate would line up with every hole. Make all holes have pins. Make them all tactically the same so not to be able know what pins are right.
This lock design looks like it does succeed at increasing the steps and time needed to pick it. That's one positive, I guess.
Other than that I don't know that I see any real positives here. It's just a lock.
So basically a standard lock except the picker is afforded the room to easily view and access each individual pin.
Right....lol 😂 they did half the work for you lol
Lol! On the ebay listing for this lock it says “bosnianbill can't be pick XPUZMAG”
Lmao lies
For $185... just buy a Bowley :)
is it possible to rep in to all of them security pins
Nice one Bil
Awesome Bill