I own 2012 gsa k25 with 50.000miles and its the best bikw ive every owned. Im 196cm tall and wind protection and comfort is amazing. Off road is capably as well for a bike of that size. 1000miles days in saddle are not a problem and its not that expensive to maintain because i didn't have any problems whit it .i love the turn signal buttons. Works great for me. Suspension is amazing for a bug man like me 110kg .
I wanted to quit motorcycling but bought a this type of GS after having a few beers and a discussion with my fellows. And now i like riding it more and more, from ride to ride. I drove all the enduros from Honda and have to say, that the GS is simply awesome. I only ride onroads, cause i dont like it, when she get's dirty😅
Beemers are not motorcycles "built by a car company". If anything it's the opposite. BMW manufactured its first motorcycle in 1923, five years before buying a company that made cars. The first car even branded as a BMW wasn't until 1929. In the 1930's BMW finally started designing and manufacturing their owns cars in-house. BMW was making motorcycles for almost ten years before making a car.
Hi Joel I appreciate your enthusiasm and the video view but I'm going to agree to disagree here. In 2021 BMW produced 187,500 motorcycles, by comparison just BMW automobile production was over ten times that at 2,213,790 vehicles. If you add in Mini and Rolls-Royce that number is over 2.5 million cars/trucks/SUV's. They are most certainly a car company, just like Honda is a car company. To go even further, by your logic BMW is an aircraft company since that is what they made first (1916), but that would be nonsense since Gottlieb Daimler and Wilhelm Maybach were the first recognized motorcycle builders in Germany (1885) but we don't refer to Mercedes Benz as a motorcycle company... Being an automobile manufacturer is not entirely a bad thing; if BMW did not insist on making motorcycles with ABS it would probably still be a rare option offered by one or two manufacturers, same with traction control and electronic suspension. But and there is always a BUT, because you have car designers and engineers who think, "yeah I can do a motorcycle, they are so simple" you also get things like single plate dry clutches, telelever suspension and the early K motors 🙄that are just weird and can be impractical. The R motor and transmission is born from the technology of the day (1920's) and utilizes a separate transmission that has to be removed to service the clutch, just like a car where its inspiration came from and is unlike all the other motorcycles (save the BMW clones; Ural, Chang Jiang and a tractor manufacturer, Moto Guzzi). Honda though has really taken it too far, and paid the price, with bikes like the PC800 (designed by Acura engineers) and the DN-01 (designed by Civic engineers, BTW DN-01stands for Do Not Own 1). It's all good and if it weren't for BMW sticking with their Motorrad roots, we would all be riding Ducati! Thanks & Happy New Year!👍
I have a more favorable opinion of it as a touring bike than you do. But I think it is largely due to what I think of as touring. (2007 R1200GS former owner looking for newer GS - I think). I had a full boat LT for years, and was hotly debating an RT or GS back in 07. The GS for my touring purposes checked more boxes. I want an "every road" tourer. I am not going off road, but I want to take that dirt/gravel road, really enjoy the twisty roads (I live in the mountains), and cruise easily along the highway. All while being able to pack a good bit of kit and take my lovely wife along with me. The GS for me just ticks all the boxes. I put a Russell Daylong saddle (heated), and a bestrest backrest on it for the wife and it was wonderful, meeting all my expectations. Side note - I never understood the dislike for the turn signals. I had ridden many other bikes with the traditional setup before the BMW and it was like a revelation how intuitive I found the BMW's setup. I guess I am just weird that way. But I loved your review as I sift through youtube reviews trying to determine my next bike - narrowed to Used GS (really high on my thought process) - Used Stelvio - or Moto Guzzi V85TT Travel
Spot on review. As a former GS owner, I found that it was a bike that was a compromise on road and off road. The heft of the bike combined with the fact that a simple tip over could cost you $1000 kept me from ever venturing too far off pavement. The 17" front tire limits tire choice but supposedly makes it better off road. I love the fact that it has very little wind protection. Living in the southern United States, it's HOT. I ride year round and when temps drop, I put on my heated jacket and pant liners and find I rarely turn them on past the lowest setting. My current bike is a naked bike (BMW R1200 R) and I absolutely LOVE the bike. Think of it as a street going only GS.
I reckon you nailed it in your review. I bought exactly the same bike you reviewed. 2006, vario panniers, same genuine crash bars as well. After a few years I bought a 2009 wr 250r. Now I have the best of both worlds . I look forward to more of your no bullshit honest reviews
Spot on review...as an owner of a 2006 GS I quickly found out the limitations of the GS off road especially in loose gravel and sand. As you stated it does dig in. If it had a 21inch front wheel it would do better off road I believe.. so perhaps the GS800/850 would be better if a person wanted more off road than on.
I’ve had both the GS & a GSA, the GSA has so much more wind protection but even at that I rode the GS on. 2800 mile tour to Maine and all thru the Northeast. I’m gonna take some long ones on the GSA as soon as I get the off days. For myself, I’ll sacrifice wind protection for lack of helmet buffeting, the buffeting drives me nuts on a long ride. I’ve taken mine of some gravel fire roads and took the GS on some single track, not too good and you are correct about it ceasing to be fun and turns into just a hard, physical slog at my skill level. I admire the hell out of people who can ride the snot out of em off road, it just ain’t me. Still, over all, these have been two of the my favorites out of over 40 bikes I’ve owned over my lifetime.
Just watched your Triumph ST and GT 1050 video. I left a comment there about not liking 'adventure' bikes and your observations here confirm my misgivings. I rode my ST 1050 on gravel roads in Australia and concluded it was actually a better tool because it had a lower centre of gravity, even though off roading is not what this sports tourer was designed for.
I have an 05 that I got in 2019 with 1750 miles on it. I do my own maintenance so cost there is not an issue As far as off road you are correct, it's a handful so I don't do it. Thanks for the video
In my opinion this was a good review, remember to stay honest and not take money from manufactures, people se through that in 4 min and stop taking you seriously.
I don't know what the original video was like but I thought this one was great :) Agree on BMW grips = too heated, or not heated enough. There is no "just right" lol
Mine is an '08. I like the balance of modern without the excessive electronics and other things that can go wrong that I can't fix or can't fix while on the road.
I find BMWs original turn signal switch set-up far more ergonomic than the 1 switch on the left handle bar. And I own and ride other bikes next to my GS. I traded my ST1100 for a RT 1150. I am a touring bike guy. Then I got myself a 1150GS. After 2 weeks it was clear to me, I much prefer the GS over the RT. And sold the RT. An outcome I did not expect. Not sure why, but to me the GS is a much better concept. I feel BMW put a lot more effort in designing the GS than they did into designing the RT. Also in my mind the somewhat rough big boxer fits the GS character perfectly, yet it is at odds with the RT. For me a luxury touring bike has to have a V4...
Very good and honest review. I do feel that the GS is a better touring bike than you do. I've owned a GL1500 Goldwing, purchased new and will admit that it was a nice touring bike but I feel my 2009 R1200GS is a much more enjoyable touring bike than the Goldwing, but that is objective and my own opinion and everybody is different. Off road, the GS is nothing more than a Goldwing with better suspension. LOL!!
Great rev in all honesty the G.S. range are like the Range Rover most folk that buy them live in a dream world These bikes never get dirty let alone see any gravel untill they get to my price bracket that is.. Then all hell breaks loose L.O.L.... They are a good bike very solid and to anyone thinking of getting one just do it There are some real bargains out there these days My last purchase was a 2005 G.S. 1200 30K on the clock full service record great condition fully kitted out for less than 4K Hell of a lot of bike for peanuts !! Sorry I know 4K is not peanuts but when you look at the price of bikes these days its peanuts is it not ?
I have two air-cooled GS models, and no way would I take them across rivers and rocks, (Not that I could) they already cost a bunch to maintain as a ride around. A light Scrambler and thirty years off my age, I might consider off road. But the GS is indeed built for the mature tourer that appreciates the torque range, enough speed, and comfort.
Well, i think the best is the fuel gauge showing full tank until the tank is dry empty. And no, no expansive repair. You just connect the gauge to the high voltage line and it's back showing something.
Loved the review. Thank you. Most reviews are based on a loaner press bike. No doubt they are fun to ride, but you talk about it from the prospective of day in and day out ownership (after the honeymoon is over). If I had one, it would only go where I'd take a Subaru car. Subjecting a $25K bike to mud, sand, and tons of dirt doesn't make sense when a DRZ would be better for a fraction of the cost. I've ridden dirt bikes my whole life, and the thought of bringing such an expensive bike into sand and grit seems kind of crazy unless you have a sponsor or are independently wealthy. Dirt bikes need tons of maintenance. BMW won't even sell you a service manual anymore...
Thanks for an honest and competent review. Ive never ridden a GS but kept looking at them as everyone seems to worship them although I always considered the same problems that you've pointed out. Helped me to make up my mind on keeping my touring bike and essentially preventing me spending silly money. Liked and subscribed, cheers
I don't comment on a lot of videos, but I find myself commenting for the second time with yours. Excellent content, cogent, and you deliver the information in a well-thought-out manner. I am in the market for a used bike. My first choice would be a 2005 St1300 with 12,000 miles, a very close second is a 2009 FJR AE with 9000 miles and a distance 3rd 2007 2007 BMW R1200GS. It would be fun to see an FJR on your channel. BTW, I'm an ex-pat Canadian living in Seattle.
Hi Stephen, thanks for the feedback I do appreciate it. Having owned all three bikes I would definitively say that the FJR1300AE is the by far an abomination when compared to the other two., unless you don't want to use a clutch. The odd shift pattern and the lack of a clutch at low speeds meant I could not get rid of that bike fast enough. This is why you will see them for sale for less $ than the standard 5 and 6 speed and with low miles. For me there is something disturbing about not having a clutch and I know that is not the case for everyone. The quick-shift aspect and paddle shift buttons can be fun if straight up accelerating, especially against someone who has a standard bike at a traffic light, but I would never own one again and that is just my opinion. If you can get a newer 6 speed FJR they are great, I did have an 03' 1200 and loved it even with its 5 gears and internal balance shaft issues. Good luck with your purchase and thanks' for watching!
Hi the GS is the best road bike BMW have made.....I now own a 2012 R1200GS and it is great...also had a 1998 R1100GS and with decent tyres it will go off road quite well, 23 years and 325000km...The GS might be heavy but the weight is down low and they don't actually fall all the way over so they are easier to pick up than a triumph 800 XCA.
I disagree with you regarding maintenance and replacement parts. The cost of replacement parts is negligible... Why on earth would you buy BMW labeled OEM replacement parts, if you can get excellent quality oil and air filters from non-BMW manufacturers? Buying a GS is not that expensive either... Just don't buy a NEW one, buy a used one with low mileage. The issue you DO have with these is that BMW didn't always use premium parts or parts 'build to last', and some very odd design and aftermarket sales decisions. But because these bikes are so popular, just like the old Toyota Land-cruisers are, the aftermarket crowd provides ample solutions for BMW's lack of sustainability. I own a 2006 GSA (K-25) and my mechanic charged me a bit over 300 Euros for a thorough maintenance at 52000 km. This included valve adjustment, 4 spark plug replacements, oil and oil filter change, brake fluid change and replacement of the BMW brake bleed nipples. I bought the iridium spark plugs (11 Eur a piece) and also asked him to replace the BMW brake nipples with Stahlbus ones (91 Euro for 3 nipples) which I also provided alongside the brake fluid (11 Eur for 1 liter). A year and a half ago, one of the plastic fuel BMW OEM quick disconnects broke and refused to stay seated properly and it was thus spilling gasoline droplets onto the hot exhaust. The smell gave away that there was an issue and where to look. So I had those replaced with brass ones from beemerboneyard aftermarket. BMW doesn't want to sell those separately and expect you to purchase the whole fuel pump assembly (around 400 Euros apiece) just to repair a broken quick disconnect that costs 10 cents apiece. Both brass nipples (for both sides) and female inserts cost me 100 USD aftermarket and will probably last for the lifetime of the bike. The GSA has a bigger front screen and wind protection is very adequate. An aftermarket solution to the GS smaller windscreen should alleviate that, the heated grips issue you talk about is correct. As for off-road capability your assessment is on-point. The GS is not a 'dirtbike', Gelände Strasse, means just that, it's a bike that will get you across a potato field, a trail or a meadow besides touring on streets which it does perfectly. The GSA has a lot bigger 34 Liter fuel tank and is thus more suited for 'adventuring' if you gas stations are far apart. With a BMW you're either very lucky or very unlucky or something in between leaning onto either extremes. I was lucky with my second hand purchase and only had a few minor hiccups (replacement of parts as said above by the mechanic). The replacement of a light bulb and the alarm battery alongside regular maintenance I do myself. It's a great bike, the car rarely gets used anymore, even in winter. TLDR: Get a BMW GS (don't shy away from the older models - the air cooled ones 1150's and 1200 pre 2010), stay away from BMW garages, stay away from BMW certified mechanics, don't buy BMW replacement parts. Do the regular maintenance yourself (oil, oil filter, air filter, brake fluid, brake disk, brake pads) and don't leave it parked in the rain, make sure at home you have a carport at least to park it under. A shed or a garage will do nicely too. Toolwise, get a decent Torx bit set and you're laughing.
Well done, there is a reason the middle weight adventure bikes are a hit, weight. Having just recently acquired a KTM Super Adventure, I am under no allusions to the short comings (mostly mine) for off-road adventures. The main reason I still have my trusty KLR, a very capable (still a bit heavy, but so am I) for off-road madness. Crashing on the KLR off-road brings smiles, unlike the KTM where it would bring tears. Once again Rod, great channel, love the home town feel you give it (almost makes me homesick, almost)
q read the book Long Way Round and then years later watched series. I had to put the book down and shake my head about KTM refusing Obi-Wan Kenobi and Charley Boorman sponsorship. Text book sales & marketing blunders on KTM. Yes I’ve been there done that with F850 GS everything is funky Just regular maintenance is funky proprietorial, Big time BMW means, “Bring More Wallet “, but I absolutely loved my F850 GS. I went off Road and always ran with Mitas 50/ 50 and had no problem but just wasn’t using it for off road, ironically I changed up on exactly your Honda ST 1300 and love the bike most I can do in one day 1,100 KMs. I’ve had BMW and Audi cars as above Bring more Wallet, but I run a really nice low maintenance Mercury Marquis with a Lincoln package. I can blast out of Winnipeg and be in The Kootneys in a day half or nearly down to Nashville TN on my ST 1300. I just love that performance of “The Boom” of Honda ST 1300, it will go with comfort. I’m contemplating going down to Mexico Central America 2023 and looking seriously at Yamaha Tenre 1200 low km. Neil Peirt, made me interested in BMW, not Obbi nor Charley. My most memorable trip, I bought a 1975 Honda 350 4 cylinder in Scotland and drove it to Cairo Egypt and back to Amsterdam. Long way down and back up, great trip.
Great video and love the way you honestly provide feedback based on a true ownership. I would love to see if you could review the Suzuki V-Strom 1050. Cheers
Thumbs up. Great review. Really like that it's mostly scripted. Some people can carry off ad libbing, but in reality, they slip into repetitive, forgetful, inaccurate statements. You seem like a bit of a pro with the delivery honestly. I liked the mix of still and action segments, so that's good as well. Sorry I can't be more helpful, as I have no problem telling someone about a video or audio style that's not working. Maybe since you're reviewing a used bike, list good prices to pay for certain years, any years that are to be avoided, and any options that buyers should look for. Don't get discouraged. You're doing it right.
If you think the Gs has lack of offroading.. should she Daniël Hayes going off road with a HD evo!! Its easier to go off road in a light bike , like husky ie ktm 1 cilinders. But she motorcycle travelling , Sterling go on the continent. Its relaible bike, when told to do services om 8k do it on the half… seen boxxer engines over 300k….
@@RodRidesWrenches Got a (2011) R1200GS ESA (road) yesterday 50K Klm - side panniers, near zero unsealed road use always garaged for around 10k Australian Pesos (formally known as dollars). It was guys like you putting up great videos like these to help inform that make these decisions easy. Thanks again from Australia.
thanks for sharing. since you want comments I d say that would be nice to mention how the bike age,,,, buying a new GS or buying one from 2010 for example, is it a good choice for lower budget?
@@SBMotoZ Meh, their odd because of the noise they make, expensive if they fail but I had two bikes with them and never saw a difference in performance. Thanks for the feedback!
With the prices people are asking it doesn't look like I'll get any year. 😏 The one I was looking at has now increased in price because he's seen the prices others are asking. I understand it's your bike and you can ask whatever you want but that doesn't mean you'll get it.
@@locknloadu Other bikes worth considering... In an Adventure bike; Moto Guzzi Stelvio - Very Nice Bike often overlooked. Ducati DS1000, Ugly for sure but I've owned high mileage versions of the 1000S (which is the one to get with the factory Ohlins suspension) and loved it, they are also pretty cheap! Triumph Tiger 1200, a bit top heavy IMO but again often overlooked. If I were to pick my most affordable bike for Adventure touring it would be the Kawasaki Versys 1000. They are ugly but the motor is solid and a lot of fun, I also find this bike more comfortable than the Suzuki V-Strom. Finally if you can find a Honda Varadero, don't be scared off by mileage, it's a Honda! Good Luck!
Hi MrFosj, thanks for the view & question! If your goal is a pure touring machine (on highway) in the BMW then you should look to the R1200/1250RT. The larger fairings, power windscreen, larger paniers are all great reasons to consider this bike. If you're on a budget you can also look at older versions of this bike back even as far as the R1100/1150RT which is still a capable machine and run for hundreds of thousands of miles th-cam.com/video/1y23fS37_k0/w-d-xo.html An often overlooked bike in the BMW line was the K1300GT. The engine in this bike is one of the best BMW ever made and it is still being used in other applications like the QuadSki. If you are not sold on BMW then the Kawasaki Concours 1400, Honda ST1300, Yamaha FJR1300 (6 Speed only) are all more capable touring machines IMO than the GS. If your travels are going to include dirt/gravel roads then the R1200/1250GS would be of, if not the best option to balance road and off-road touring. - Good Luck and let us know what you buy!
@@RodRidesWrenches Thnx for the advice. The R1200RT is also on my radar. I couldn’t find much info on the R1200RS. Do you know that bike? I also looked at the K1300GT but was doubting about the riding position. Thnx for all the info. I will search for those bikes and try to do testruns on them.
I don’t get this love affair with wind protection (?) have you never traveled in the south? I was going through Texas in July (3 years ago) and ripped my windshield off to get more air, and that’s on my 07’ GS … it was 98F at 630 in the morning…
As a 2014 r1200gs owner, if this is anything other than best all around motorcycle, you are just nitpickin. Name another bike that can carve up the twisties and take you far off road? Your limitations as a rider(or height) shouldnt impact the review
I own 2012 gsa k25 with 50.000miles and its the best bikw ive every owned. Im 196cm tall and wind protection and comfort is amazing. Off road is capably as well for a bike of that size. 1000miles days in saddle are not a problem and its not that expensive to maintain because i didn't have any problems whit it .i love the turn signal buttons. Works great for me. Suspension is amazing for a bug man like me 110kg .
I wanted to quit motorcycling but bought a this type of GS after having a few beers and a discussion with my fellows.
And now i like riding it more and more, from ride to ride. I drove all the enduros from Honda and have to say, that the GS is simply awesome.
I only ride onroads, cause i dont like it, when she get's dirty😅
Beemers are not motorcycles "built by a car company". If anything it's the opposite. BMW manufactured its first motorcycle in 1923, five years before buying a company that made cars. The first car even branded as a BMW wasn't until 1929. In the 1930's BMW finally started designing and manufacturing their owns cars in-house. BMW was making motorcycles for almost ten years before making a car.
Hi Joel I appreciate your enthusiasm and the video view but I'm going to agree to disagree here. In 2021 BMW produced 187,500 motorcycles, by comparison just BMW automobile production was over ten times that at 2,213,790 vehicles. If you add in Mini and Rolls-Royce that number is over 2.5 million cars/trucks/SUV's. They are most certainly a car company, just like Honda is a car company. To go even further, by your logic BMW is an aircraft company since that is what they made first (1916), but that would be nonsense since Gottlieb Daimler and Wilhelm Maybach were the first recognized motorcycle builders in Germany (1885) but we don't refer to Mercedes Benz as a motorcycle company... Being an automobile manufacturer is not entirely a bad thing; if BMW did not insist on making motorcycles with ABS it would probably still be a rare option offered by one or two manufacturers, same with traction control and electronic suspension. But and there is always a BUT, because you have car designers and engineers who think, "yeah I can do a motorcycle, they are so simple" you also get things like single plate dry clutches, telelever suspension and the early K motors 🙄that are just weird and can be impractical. The R motor and transmission is born from the technology of the day (1920's) and utilizes a separate transmission that has to be removed to service the clutch, just like a car where its inspiration came from and is unlike all the other motorcycles (save the BMW clones; Ural, Chang Jiang and a tractor manufacturer, Moto Guzzi). Honda though has really taken it too far, and paid the price, with bikes like the PC800 (designed by Acura engineers) and the DN-01 (designed by Civic engineers, BTW DN-01stands for Do Not Own 1). It's all good and if it weren't for BMW sticking with their Motorrad roots, we would all be riding Ducati! Thanks & Happy New Year!👍
I thought it was an Airplane power plant company with a motorcycle habit ..
@@h.r.puffnstuff8705 You are right, their emblem even depicts a spinning propeller.
I have a more favorable opinion of it as a touring bike than you do. But I think it is largely due to what I think of as touring. (2007 R1200GS former owner looking for newer GS - I think). I had a full boat LT for years, and was hotly debating an RT or GS back in 07. The GS for my touring purposes checked more boxes. I want an "every road" tourer. I am not going off road, but I want to take that dirt/gravel road, really enjoy the twisty roads (I live in the mountains), and cruise easily along the highway. All while being able to pack a good bit of kit and take my lovely wife along with me.
The GS for me just ticks all the boxes. I put a Russell Daylong saddle (heated), and a bestrest backrest on it for the wife and it was wonderful, meeting all my expectations.
Side note - I never understood the dislike for the turn signals. I had ridden many other bikes with the traditional setup before the BMW and it was like a revelation how intuitive I found the BMW's setup. I guess I am just weird that way.
But I loved your review as I sift through youtube reviews trying to determine my next bike - narrowed to Used GS (really high on my thought process) - Used Stelvio - or Moto Guzzi V85TT Travel
2010 GS. Did the 14,000km's lap around Australia. Perfect bike for those long days in the saddle. Agree with the review. Thanks.
Spot on review. As a former GS owner, I found that it was a bike that was a compromise on road and off road. The heft of the bike combined with the fact that a simple tip over could cost you $1000 kept me from ever venturing too far off pavement. The 17" front tire limits tire choice but supposedly makes it better off road. I love the fact that it has very little wind protection. Living in the southern United States, it's HOT. I ride year round and when temps drop, I put on my heated jacket and pant liners and find I rarely turn them on past the lowest setting. My current bike is a naked bike (BMW R1200 R) and I absolutely LOVE the bike. Think of it as a street going only GS.
I reckon you nailed it in your review. I bought exactly the same bike you reviewed. 2006, vario panniers, same genuine crash bars as well. After a few years I bought a 2009 wr 250r. Now I have the best of both worlds . I look forward to more of your no bullshit honest reviews
Spot on review...as an owner of a 2006 GS I quickly found out the limitations of the GS off road especially in loose gravel and sand. As you stated it does dig in. If it had a 21inch front wheel it would do better off road I believe.. so perhaps the GS800/850 would be better if a person wanted more off road than on.
Thanks for the feedback & view!
I’ve had both the GS & a GSA, the GSA has so much more wind protection but even at that I rode the GS on. 2800 mile tour to Maine and all thru the Northeast. I’m gonna take some long ones on the GSA as soon as I get the off days. For myself, I’ll sacrifice wind protection for lack of helmet buffeting, the buffeting drives me nuts on a long ride. I’ve taken mine of some gravel fire roads and took the GS on some single track, not too good and you are correct about it ceasing to be fun and turns into just a hard, physical slog at my skill level. I admire the hell out of people who can ride the snot out of em off road, it just ain’t me. Still, over all, these have been two of the my favorites out of over 40 bikes I’ve owned over my lifetime.
Thanks New Video is out today! th-cam.com/video/ZboWgG6R9J0/w-d-xo.html
I feel like a Greek God on my 07'...simply love the smooth power and low rpm cruising on the highway
Just watched your Triumph ST and GT 1050 video. I left a comment there about not liking 'adventure' bikes and your observations here confirm my misgivings. I rode my ST 1050 on gravel roads in Australia and concluded it was actually a better tool because it had a lower centre of gravity, even though off roading is not what this sports tourer was designed for.
I have an 05 that I got in 2019 with 1750 miles on it. I do my own maintenance so cost there is not an issue
As far as off road you are correct, it's a handful so I don't do it.
Thanks for the video
In my opinion this was a good review, remember to stay honest and not take money from manufactures, people se through that in 4 min and stop taking you seriously.
I don't know what the original video was like but I thought this one was great :) Agree on BMW grips = too heated, or not heated enough. There is no "just right" lol
Mine is an '08. I like the balance of modern without the excessive electronics and other things that can go wrong that I can't fix or can't fix while on the road.
I find BMWs original turn signal switch set-up far more ergonomic than the 1 switch on the left handle bar. And I own and ride other bikes next to my GS. I traded my ST1100 for a RT 1150. I am a touring bike guy. Then I got myself a 1150GS. After 2 weeks it was clear to me, I much prefer the GS over the RT. And sold the RT. An outcome I did not expect. Not sure why, but to me the GS is a much better concept. I feel BMW put a lot more effort in designing the GS than they did into designing the RT. Also in my mind the somewhat rough big boxer fits the GS character perfectly, yet it is at odds with the RT. For me a luxury touring bike has to have a V4...
Very good and honest review. I do feel that the GS is a better touring bike than you do. I've owned a GL1500 Goldwing, purchased new and will admit that it was a nice touring bike but I feel my 2009 R1200GS is a much more enjoyable touring bike than the Goldwing, but that is objective and my own opinion and everybody is different. Off road, the GS is nothing more than a Goldwing with better suspension. LOL!!
Had an LT for years before the GS - I too find the GS ticks more of my touring boxes.
Great rev in all honesty the G.S. range are like the Range Rover most folk that buy them live in a dream world These bikes never get dirty let alone see any gravel untill they get to my price bracket that is.. Then all hell breaks loose L.O.L.... They are a good bike very solid and to anyone thinking of getting one just do it There are some real bargains out there these days My last purchase was a 2005 G.S. 1200 30K
on the clock full service record great condition fully kitted out for less than 4K Hell of a lot of bike for peanuts !! Sorry I know 4K is not peanuts but when you look at the price of bikes these days its peanuts is it not ?
Hi Allan, $4K sounds like a very good price for your GS for sure. Thanks for the feedback & the View!
I have two air-cooled GS models, and no way would I take them across rivers and rocks, (Not that I could) they already cost a bunch to maintain as a ride around.
A light Scrambler and thirty years off my age, I might consider off road.
But the GS is indeed built for the mature tourer that appreciates the torque range, enough speed, and comfort.
Well, i think the best is the fuel gauge showing full tank until the tank is dry empty. And no, no expansive repair. You just connect the gauge to the high voltage line and it's back showing something.
Loved the review. Thank you. Most reviews are based on a loaner press bike. No doubt they are fun to ride, but you talk about it from the prospective of day in and day out ownership (after the honeymoon is over). If I had one, it would only go where I'd take a Subaru car. Subjecting a $25K bike to mud, sand, and tons of dirt doesn't make sense when a DRZ would be better for a fraction of the cost. I've ridden dirt bikes my whole life, and the thought of bringing such an expensive bike into sand and grit seems kind of crazy unless you have a sponsor or are independently wealthy. Dirt bikes need tons of maintenance. BMW won't even sell you a service manual anymore...
Thanks for the feedback & view J S! Hope you'll check out the channel.👍🏍
Thanks for an honest and competent review. Ive never ridden a GS but kept looking at them as everyone seems to worship them although I always considered the same problems that you've pointed out. Helped me to make up my mind on keeping my touring bike and essentially preventing me spending silly money. Liked and subscribed, cheers
Hi Simon, thanks for the feedback, view and subscription!
@@RodRidesWrenches that's the least!
I don't comment on a lot of videos, but I find myself commenting for the second time with yours. Excellent content, cogent, and you deliver the information in a well-thought-out manner. I am in the market for a used bike. My first choice would be a 2005 St1300 with 12,000 miles, a very close second is a 2009 FJR AE with 9000 miles and a distance 3rd 2007 2007 BMW R1200GS. It would be fun to see an FJR on your channel. BTW, I'm an ex-pat Canadian living in Seattle.
Hi Stephen, thanks for the feedback I do appreciate it. Having owned all three bikes I would definitively say that the FJR1300AE is the by far an abomination when compared to the other two., unless you don't want to use a clutch. The odd shift pattern and the lack of a clutch at low speeds meant I could not get rid of that bike fast enough. This is why you will see them for sale for less $ than the standard 5 and 6 speed and with low miles. For me there is something disturbing about not having a clutch and I know that is not the case for everyone. The quick-shift aspect and paddle shift buttons can be fun if straight up accelerating, especially against someone who has a standard bike at a traffic light, but I would never own one again and that is just my opinion. If you can get a newer 6 speed FJR they are great, I did have an 03' 1200 and loved it even with its 5 gears and internal balance shaft issues. Good luck with your purchase and thanks' for watching!
Totally agree Rod, very clear, straightforward and honest review
Hi the GS is the best road bike BMW have made.....I now own a 2012 R1200GS and it is great...also had a 1998 R1100GS and with decent tyres it will go off road quite well, 23 years and 325000km...The GS might be heavy but the weight is down low and they don't actually fall all the way over so they are easier to pick up than a triumph 800 XCA.
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I disagree with you regarding maintenance and replacement parts. The cost of replacement parts is negligible... Why on earth would you buy BMW labeled OEM replacement parts, if you can get excellent quality oil and air filters from non-BMW manufacturers? Buying a GS is not that expensive either... Just don't buy a NEW one, buy a used one with low mileage. The issue you DO have with these is that BMW didn't always use premium parts or parts 'build to last', and some very odd design and aftermarket sales decisions. But because these bikes are so popular, just like the old Toyota Land-cruisers are, the aftermarket crowd provides ample solutions for BMW's lack of sustainability.
I own a 2006 GSA (K-25) and my mechanic charged me a bit over 300 Euros for a thorough maintenance at 52000 km. This included valve adjustment, 4 spark plug replacements, oil and oil filter change, brake fluid change and replacement of the BMW brake bleed nipples. I bought the iridium spark plugs (11 Eur a piece) and also asked him to replace the BMW brake nipples with Stahlbus ones (91 Euro for 3 nipples) which I also provided alongside the brake fluid (11 Eur for 1 liter).
A year and a half ago, one of the plastic fuel BMW OEM quick disconnects broke and refused to stay seated properly and it was thus spilling gasoline droplets onto the hot exhaust. The smell gave away that there was an issue and where to look. So I had those replaced with brass ones from beemerboneyard aftermarket. BMW doesn't want to sell those separately and expect you to purchase the whole fuel pump assembly (around 400 Euros apiece) just to repair a broken quick disconnect that costs 10 cents apiece. Both brass nipples (for both sides) and female inserts cost me 100 USD aftermarket and will probably last for the lifetime of the bike.
The GSA has a bigger front screen and wind protection is very adequate. An aftermarket solution to the GS smaller windscreen should alleviate that, the heated grips issue you talk about is correct. As for off-road capability your assessment is on-point. The GS is not a 'dirtbike', Gelände Strasse, means just that, it's a bike that will get you across a potato field, a trail or a meadow besides touring on streets which it does perfectly. The GSA has a lot bigger 34 Liter fuel tank and is thus more suited for 'adventuring' if you gas stations are far apart.
With a BMW you're either very lucky or very unlucky or something in between leaning onto either extremes. I was lucky with my second hand purchase and only had a few minor hiccups (replacement of parts as said above by the mechanic). The replacement of a light bulb and the alarm battery alongside regular maintenance I do myself. It's a great bike, the car rarely gets used anymore, even in winter.
TLDR: Get a BMW GS (don't shy away from the older models - the air cooled ones 1150's and 1200 pre 2010), stay away from BMW garages, stay away from BMW certified mechanics, don't buy BMW replacement parts. Do the regular maintenance yourself (oil, oil filter, air filter, brake fluid, brake disk, brake pads) and don't leave it parked in the rain, make sure at home you have a carport at least to park it under. A shed or a garage will do nicely too. Toolwise, get a decent Torx bit set and you're laughing.
Well done, there is a reason the middle weight adventure bikes are a hit, weight. Having just recently acquired a KTM Super Adventure, I am under no allusions to the short comings (mostly mine) for off-road adventures. The main reason I still have my trusty KLR, a very capable (still a bit heavy, but so am I) for off-road madness. Crashing on the KLR off-road brings smiles, unlike the KTM where it would bring tears.
Once again Rod, great channel, love the home town feel you give it (almost makes me homesick, almost)
Middleweight Husqvarna Norden 901wet weight: 503 lbs, hp: 105, torque: 74 lb. ft. at 7500 RPM. 2006 R1200GS: 496 lbs, 97 hp, 85 lb. ft. at 5500 RPM.
I own 2019 R1200 GSA. I fully agreed with your point of view. Good job with the review.
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I have the exact bike and you are Spot on!
lmao. KTM really fumbled the bag on that one.
dude clip was hilarious.
q read the book Long Way Round and then years later watched series.
I had to put the book down and shake my head about KTM refusing
Obi-Wan Kenobi and Charley Boorman sponsorship.
Text book sales & marketing blunders on KTM.
Yes I’ve been there done that with F850 GS everything is funky
Just regular maintenance is funky proprietorial, Big time
BMW means, “Bring More Wallet “, but I absolutely loved
my F850 GS. I went off Road and always ran with Mitas
50/ 50 and had no problem but just wasn’t using it for off road, ironically I changed up on exactly your Honda ST 1300 and love the bike most I can do in one day 1,100 KMs. I’ve had BMW and Audi cars as above Bring more Wallet, but I run a really nice low maintenance Mercury Marquis with a Lincoln package.
I can blast out of Winnipeg and be in The Kootneys in a day half or nearly down to Nashville TN on my ST 1300. I just love that performance of “The Boom” of Honda ST 1300, it will go with comfort. I’m contemplating going down to Mexico Central America 2023 and looking seriously at Yamaha Tenre 1200 low km. Neil Peirt, made me interested in BMW, not Obbi nor Charley. My most memorable trip, I bought a 1975 Honda 350 4 cylinder in Scotland and drove it to Cairo Egypt and back to Amsterdam. Long way down and back up, great trip.
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Great video and love the way you honestly provide feedback based on a true ownership. I would love to see if you could review the Suzuki V-Strom 1050. Cheers
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You are perfectly right !! No BMW GS IS AN OFF-ROAD BIKE
Built by a car company?? You have no idea of what you’re talking about.. They built motorcycles before cars, and before that BMW was an airplane maker
Thumbs up. Great review. Really like that it's mostly scripted. Some people can carry off ad libbing, but in reality, they slip into repetitive, forgetful, inaccurate statements. You seem like a bit of a pro with the delivery honestly. I liked the mix of still and action segments, so that's good as well. Sorry I can't be more helpful, as I have no problem telling someone about a video or audio style that's not working. Maybe since you're reviewing a used bike, list good prices to pay for certain years, any years that are to be avoided, and any options that buyers should look for. Don't get discouraged. You're doing it right.
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Great review. I would buy it again and again even if I used it just in the city.
Love my 07 gsa
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Great review mate 👍🏻
Thanks 👍
If you think the Gs has lack of offroading.. should she Daniël Hayes going off road with a HD evo!! Its easier to go off road in a light bike , like husky ie ktm 1 cilinders. But she motorcycle travelling , Sterling go on the continent. Its relaible bike, when told to do services om 8k do it on the half… seen boxxer engines over 300k….
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2012 is the last year with the funky Harley turn signal switches
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For the GS yes….The GSA went on for another year….I loved that arrangement and still miss it!
Thanks again! I sure appreciate the great information.
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Damn the Canuk does make for a sensible viewpoint
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@@RodRidesWrenches Got a (2011) R1200GS ESA (road) yesterday 50K Klm - side panniers, near zero unsealed road use always garaged for around 10k Australian Pesos (formally known as dollars). It was guys like you putting up great videos like these to help inform that make these decisions easy. Thanks again from Australia.
Thank you...well done.
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what is he talking at 4:30 ? only used to a vespa or ds 50 ???
thanks for sharing. since you want comments I d say that would be nice to mention how the bike age,,,, buying a new GS or buying one from 2010 for example, is it a good choice for lower budget?
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Great review buddy, thanks..
Nice review!
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They built motorcycles before cars.. Perhaps you should have included that
Have you got any plans to review a Honda Africa twin? Interested to see your thoughts in comparison
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I have a gs 2006 and an africatwin 2020
What year was the model you reviewed please?
Hello Chris, I did mention this in the first 30 seconds but this GS was a 2006 model year. Thanks for the view & question!
Do you think the 2006 GS is a good model year to own or a different year? I've found on fully decked out 2006 with less than 10K on it for $6500.
The 2006 is a fine year, I had an R1200RT& GS in that year and it was fine. The bike didn't change much until the liquid cooled heads in 2013.
Stay away from the 05,06 with Servo brakes , 07-12 the way to go
@@SBMotoZ Meh, their odd because of the noise they make, expensive if they fail but I had two bikes with them and never saw a difference in performance. Thanks for the feedback!
With the prices people are asking it doesn't look like I'll get any year. 😏 The one I was looking at has now increased in price because he's seen the prices others are asking. I understand it's your bike and you can ask whatever you want but that doesn't mean you'll get it.
@@locknloadu Other bikes worth considering... In an Adventure bike; Moto Guzzi Stelvio - Very Nice Bike often overlooked. Ducati DS1000, Ugly for sure but I've owned high mileage versions of the 1000S (which is the one to get with the factory Ohlins suspension) and loved it, they are also pretty cheap! Triumph Tiger 1200, a bit top heavy IMO but again often overlooked. If I were to pick my most affordable bike for Adventure touring it would be the Kawasaki Versys 1000. They are ugly but the motor is solid and a lot of fun, I also find this bike more comfortable than the Suzuki V-Strom. Finally if you can find a Honda Varadero, don't be scared off by mileage, it's a Honda! Good Luck!
If this isn’t an excellent tourer?
What, in your opinion, is an excellent tourer?
I am searching for a tourer to taken on long twisted trips.
Hi MrFosj, thanks for the view & question! If your goal is a pure touring machine (on highway) in the BMW then you should look to the R1200/1250RT. The larger fairings, power windscreen, larger paniers are all great reasons to consider this bike. If you're on a budget you can also look at older versions of this bike back even as far as the R1100/1150RT which is still a capable machine and run for hundreds of thousands of miles th-cam.com/video/1y23fS37_k0/w-d-xo.html An often overlooked bike in the BMW line was the K1300GT. The engine in this bike is one of the best BMW ever made and it is still being used in other applications like the QuadSki. If you are not sold on BMW then the Kawasaki Concours 1400, Honda ST1300, Yamaha FJR1300 (6 Speed only) are all more capable touring machines IMO than the GS. If your travels are going to include dirt/gravel roads then the R1200/1250GS would be of, if not the best option to balance road and off-road touring. - Good Luck and let us know what you buy!
@@RodRidesWrenches Thnx for the advice.
The R1200RT is also on my radar.
I couldn’t find much info on the R1200RS. Do you know that bike?
I also looked at the K1300GT but was doubting about the riding position.
Thnx for all the info. I will search for those bikes and try to do testruns on them.
I don’t get this love affair with wind protection (?) have you never traveled in the south?
I was going through Texas in July (3 years ago) and ripped my windshield off to get more air, and that’s on my 07’ GS … it was 98F at 630 in the morning…
As a 2014 r1200gs owner, if this is anything other than best all around motorcycle, you are just nitpickin. Name another bike that can carve up the twisties and take you far off road?
Your limitations as a rider(or height) shouldnt impact the review
Those two guys fault. they beat heach out bmw gsa nowww end it up buyyy one
What a beautiful place you shot this video
As I tell my old BMW friend. BMW is actually a propeller company and should have stuck to just moving air.....:-)
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