Exhibition match @ Butokuden, Irvine 2016 Xmas Tournament/Party *first ippon by the kendoka on the jukendoka on the second to last match is missing because I had to change batteries
Considering there is no affiliated Jukendo or Tankendo club in the USA, even 6 years after this video was made, they learned from watching video online or going to a seminar once. His stance is all wrong, he strikes way too low, even his Men he got awarded an Ippon on was a Kendo Men and not a Tankendo Men. When performing a Seitai (the grabbing part) the opponent should be unbalanced whilst doing so and you are allowed only one strike.
Great matches. The weird thing is most of actual samurai & soldiers would use naginata/spear or bayonet (naginata/jukendo) as their main weapon instead of a katana which more like a side weapon 'cause those weapons are a lot more effective in battles.
Yup, swords essentially perform the same role as pistols most times. The primary weapons of rifles/polearms are more effective, but pistols/swords function as very good sidearms.
May I ask how were the ippons judged? It is kind of difficult to score a kote for the kendoka, as the naginata user has his right kote far back. Thanks for any answer.
Really interesting video. I have never seen kendokas fight like this, using that footwork looks like kenjutsu. Also, shouldn't the kendoka be using the armour junkendokas use on the left arm (sorry don't know the name) when fighting the junkendoka? And I do understand why some of the strikes don't count, but in a real fight those strikes would disable you all the same. Anyway, great video, thanks for sharing.
japanese budo is usually also about precision. so you train to hit something specific with intention. of course you could do it like HEMA for example where everything counts. but building true precision cutting and thrusting can only happen if you actually dont allow yourself to ve mindless of where you hit. i also think kendoka should use the armor from the jukendoka but the shoulder guard hinders you to do kendo as it limits your arm movement alot.
Some HEMA competition have specific targets strikes and point (not only courtesy) , tho in HEMA you get punish if you strike and get strike back or you get simultaneous strikes. In kendo if both fighters strike are simultaneous but only one of them manage to hit with the cutting area there is no penalty for the one who won the exchange. Historically that would have ended in a non-winning contest....
@@Corey91666 - Japanese budo is also overly obsessed with the ‘do’ element which deludes many practitioners that they are doing something realistically and martially effective. Fighting is not pretty, there are no perfect strikes. It’s fine to train for precision but as the adage goes - the most dangerous swords person is one with no training because they are not constrained by any convention of technique - sure they may die due to their lack of knowledge but equally they may well kill you in the process. Proponents of Japanese arts hate this because it exposes the falsehood of hierarchical grading systems. Systems that merely exist to maintain the sanctities of the master student division. All a belt or grade indicates is that you have passed a pre prescribed set of tests - belts/grades are meaningless other than being a nice acknowledgement that you have learned some stuff, they have absolutely no bearing on your ability to fight. As for HEMA not every strike counts - and you are penalised for simultaneous hits (doubles) as it shows your own stupidity i.e you both died. Not belittling the skills of this koryu and in fact this video actually shows some decent exchanges - but the lack of grappling (which is not allowed) on closing the distance(except the hugely limited tankendo bits) is again a sign that these arts have forgotten the true fight(tho the jukendo folk look good and it is a direct killing art, tho sadly for the sinophiles much of it derived from French bayonete with a sprinkle of modification from sojutsu ryu, but a spear is a spear is a spear so really the most effective and realistic of these arts above is - comparatively modern and only party Japanese. - at least gekikken tennen ishin ryu accepts this and trains for what happens when the distance closes and go to the grapple. People studying the Japanese arts are often not aware that the Meiji revolution castrated the martiality of Japans arts - followed by the defeat in WW2 where further sanctions were applied to further dilute the martial effectiveness of the arts.
The 2nd naginata figher actual knows how to use a polearm... some of the moves are almost like those of quarterstaff and halberd. Quite amazing for a sored eye when you watched so many "standard" naginata tournaments.
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13:49 to 13:52 - Did anyone else noticed the two nasty "tamago tsuki" delivered by the big tankendo guy to the "tare" of the poor kendo guy? XD
Considering there is no affiliated Jukendo or Tankendo club in the USA, even 6 years after this video was made, they learned from watching video online or going to a seminar once. His stance is all wrong, he strikes way too low, even his Men he got awarded an Ippon on was a Kendo Men and not a Tankendo Men. When performing a Seitai (the grabbing part) the opponent should be unbalanced whilst doing so and you are allowed only one strike.
Great matches. The weird thing is most of actual samurai & soldiers would use naginata/spear or bayonet (naginata/jukendo) as their main weapon instead of a katana which more like a side weapon 'cause those weapons are a lot more effective in battles.
Yup, swords essentially perform the same role as pistols most times. The primary weapons of rifles/polearms are more effective, but pistols/swords function as very good sidearms.
Fun stuff!
I really enjoy watching people fencing with different weapons of Budo.
looks like good fun :)
May I ask how were the ippons judged? It is kind of difficult to score a kote for the kendoka, as the naginata user has his right kote far back. Thanks for any answer.
In naginata you can strike any kote , so we can assume the Kenshi is allowed to strike the front one.
楽しそうでなによりだ。
Really interesting video. I have never seen kendokas fight like this, using that footwork looks like kenjutsu. Also, shouldn't the kendoka be using the armour junkendokas use on the left arm (sorry don't know the name) when fighting the junkendoka? And I do understand why some of the strikes don't count, but in a real fight those strikes would disable you all the same.
Anyway, great video, thanks for sharing.
japanese budo is usually also about precision. so you train to hit something specific with intention.
of course you could do it like HEMA for example where everything counts. but building true precision cutting and thrusting can only happen if you actually dont allow yourself to ve mindless of where you hit.
i also think kendoka should use the armor from the jukendoka but the shoulder guard hinders you to do kendo as it limits your arm movement alot.
Corey91666 ah yes. That is a good point. Its dificult to find a balance between the two styles.
Some HEMA competition have specific targets strikes and point (not only courtesy) , tho in HEMA you get punish if you strike and get strike back or you get simultaneous strikes. In kendo if both fighters strike are simultaneous but only one of them manage to hit with the cutting area there is no penalty for the one who won the exchange. Historically that would have ended in a non-winning contest....
@@Corey91666 - Japanese budo is also overly obsessed with the ‘do’ element which deludes many practitioners that they are doing something realistically and martially effective. Fighting is not pretty, there are no perfect strikes. It’s fine to train for precision but as the adage goes - the most dangerous swords person is one with no training because they are not constrained by any convention of technique - sure they may die due to their lack of knowledge but equally they may well kill you in the process. Proponents of Japanese arts hate this because it exposes the falsehood of hierarchical grading systems. Systems that merely exist to maintain the sanctities of the master student division. All a belt or grade indicates is that you have passed a pre prescribed set of tests - belts/grades are meaningless other than being a nice acknowledgement that you have learned some stuff, they have absolutely no bearing on your ability to fight. As for HEMA not every strike counts - and you are penalised for simultaneous hits (doubles) as it shows your own stupidity i.e you both died.
Not belittling the skills of this koryu and in fact this video actually shows some decent exchanges - but the lack of grappling (which is not allowed) on closing the distance(except the hugely limited tankendo bits) is again a sign that these arts have forgotten the true fight(tho the jukendo folk look good and it is a direct killing art, tho sadly for the sinophiles much of it derived from French bayonete with a sprinkle of modification from sojutsu ryu, but a spear is a spear is a spear so really the most effective and realistic of these arts above is - comparatively modern and only party Japanese. - at least gekikken tennen ishin ryu accepts this and trains for what happens when the distance closes and go to the grapple. People studying the Japanese arts are often not aware that the Meiji revolution castrated the martiality of Japans arts - followed by the defeat in WW2 where further sanctions were applied to further dilute the martial effectiveness of the arts.
@@bengrief4191 This is not koryu.
un capo el gordito..
13:16 this guy should do aslo sumo. he would be good at that :3
Does anybody know where I can buy the Suneate for my bogu?
Yes I can conform they have them it is $99 for the pair. (Also apologies for commenting 4 years late :) )
The 2nd naginata figher actual knows how to use a polearm... some of the moves are almost like those of quarterstaff and halberd. Quite amazing for a sored eye when you watched so many "standard" naginata tournaments.
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Man you guys are cheating hard