It was an absolute honor to get 6-0ed by the legend himself his class was amazing and if you ever get a chance to meet and talk with him, you should definitely take it
1 second in: "Oh cool you really can tell the difference in power level just from someone's stance and footsteps. wild." later: "He's not even moving that fast, he's just THERE, exactly where he wants to be, exactly when he wants to be there. The economy of movement is incredible."
That was my big takeaway; his efficiency of movement was impeccable. And, yea, it was super obvious by stance and how calm he was who was absolutely dominant, and who was moving around way, way too much.
@@levifontaine8186 more of verdadera destreza ("true skill", usual name of Spanish-style rapier fencing), a.k.a. "stay in the center, be sure to have your sword pointed at him whenever he is, and let him be skewered whenever range closes, no matter who closed the range" vs the much more common Italian style of rapier fencing, a.k.a. "do a lot of movements and lunges and try to close range" _(obviously_ a gross simplification for example purposes).
Ton is one of the most incredible swordsmen alive. Our fencing group had the opportunity to do a montante seminar with him. He is very generous and humble and has a great sense of humor.
I agree with this comment. I don't practice destreza, but have been practicing rapier for more than 13 years now, and Ton is the most brillant, well rounded fencer I know. He can defend against whole range of different styles, can be both very technical but also powerful when needed, and is incredibly humble. Also I can get beind the title of the video. Getting clowned by Ton... been there too !
🤣 I love watchin Ton fencing - in his style you can see the pure spanish arrogance - "dont bother me with your worthless presence - I will kill you anyway - dont waste my time, puny nonspainard." even so, Ton is one of the niciest guys (when he has no rapier in his hand) I have ever met. Ton if you read it.... I miss you buddy - maybe will see us at the Armata in Bilbao 2023 and maybe we can have a small discussion with daggers 🙂 stay well buddy. Harry
I did this sort of fencing for about 5 years. One of my instructors was this 72 year old guy who had fenced for 55 years and who once won an Olympic bronze medal. My best matches against him probably looked a bit like this. He clowned me without even trying. I also trained combative pentjak silat for 25 years. Another of my instructors, a 6th dan cop who also headed the non-firearm combat training division at a big city police academy, could clown me with similar ease fighting unarmed or with batons. This guy's shtick was was to immobilize and then apply [sometimes imaginary] handcuffs. Every time I fought him he would defeat me within 3 seconds, which always ended with him going 'Click' PAUSE 'Click' as he applied [sometimes imaginary & sometimes real] handcuffs. Even at my peak, when I could match some 3rd dan fighters and some amateur MMA fighters, he always crushed me instantly. Was humbling. Great video! Beautiful!
His awareness is really good. It's like he knows the distance from his opponents point down to the millimeter, and know just when to deflect. It's really cool.
If you were looking for the song like i was; its Almoraima by Paco de Lucia, first time listening to francisco for me and im glad my enjoyment of hema led me to his music lol
One of my training buddies had a seminar not long ago with him. He said "it's like he's walking a dog" when he fights (meaning, it's the most casual , relaxing activity for him, or he makes it look so). A while back, they would have praised him with plenty of "sprezzatura"
I might be overinterpreting this but at 0:39 it looks like he leaves his sword high to draw them attacks there (like a distraction). I used to fall for a similar deception back in my broken days.
@@charlesdeiliberi Greetings charles turner From what I read this type of comment about the ability used by black in the video, it is La Verdadera Destreza, or, for an English speaker like you, The True Dexterity. You can find it on the Internet or through this Spanish video with English subtitles:th-cam.com/video/Ep1JKYmOC_E/w-d-xo.html
Yeeaaah, I'mma just stick with guns. Sword fighting is wildly dangerous and it doesn't seem like there are many winners in a real life and death sword fight, Kinda just feels like everybody loses in a sword fight 😂
@@charlesdeiliberi I do wonder why we have not seen a Thibault rapierist remotely close to this level. I’ve seen great interpretations of Pacheco, Fabris, Marcelli, etc. I wonder if there is something inherently wrong with the system?
You were lucky enough that the storm sunk the Armada ships... if the Spaniards would have set foot on dry land, you would be the ones speaking Spanish instead of us speaking English for your convenience.
1st note, Why isn't he attacking the legs? i do sword fencing and is completely legal, that man is just standing straight, that pose is really easy to break 2nd note, the foot stomps to provocate are an cowardly unhonorable technique
I am going to be horrifically mean here. The only video you have of you, is reverse gripping a katana. One of the most maligned grips in a backyard water bottle cut. Of which the only comment you have is yourself. You are watching two grand fencers at work here and the only thing you have to show yourself. Is a clip that belongs on Reddit.
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1 second in:
"Oh cool you really can tell the difference in power level just from someone's stance and footsteps. wild."
later:
"He's not even moving that fast, he's just THERE, exactly where he wants to be, exactly when he wants to be there. The economy of movement is incredible."
Hes the definition of "Menacing"
That was my big takeaway; his efficiency of movement was impeccable. And, yea, it was super obvious by stance and how calm he was who was absolutely dominant, and who was moving around way, way too much.
"He's just standing there... menacingly!"
You just defined skill
He is truly a master of Destreza
I don't know a whole lot about sword fighting, but he was so calm and let you do the work, very impressive swordsmanship.
@@levifontaine8186 more of verdadera destreza ("true skill", usual name of Spanish-style rapier fencing), a.k.a. "stay in the center, be sure to have your sword pointed at him whenever he is, and let him be skewered whenever range closes, no matter who closed the range" vs the much more common Italian style of rapier fencing, a.k.a. "do a lot of movements and lunges and try to close range" _(obviously_ a gross simplification for example purposes).
would be a honour if you could check out some videos from my channel and check if you like the swordsmanship :)
Destreza... what can I say...
Verdadera Destreza is not only for rapier: montante, spear, mangual, dagger, double arms, smallsword... It's a general theory on cut and point arms.
@@Emilio_J.J.L. may I add that later there were some saber manuals based on Destreza.
Ton is one of the most incredible swordsmen alive. Our fencing group had the opportunity to do a montante seminar with him. He is very generous and humble and has a great sense of humor.
It was an absolute honor
I agree with this comment. I don't practice destreza, but have been practicing rapier for more than 13 years now, and Ton is the most brillant, well rounded fencer I know. He can defend against whole range of different styles, can be both very technical but also powerful when needed, and is incredibly humble.
Also I can get beind the title of the video. Getting clowned by Ton... been there too !
@@thibaultghesquiere please do u practise german school? like meyer style with rapier?
@@tadeasprikryl2407 no, I practice French and Italian rapier, late 16th, early 17th
🤣 I love watchin Ton fencing - in his style you can see the pure spanish arrogance - "dont bother me with your worthless presence - I will kill you anyway - dont waste my time, puny nonspainard." even so, Ton is one of the niciest guys (when he has no rapier in his hand) I have ever met.
Ton if you read it.... I miss you buddy - maybe will see us at the Armata in Bilbao 2023 and maybe we can have a small discussion with daggers 🙂
stay well buddy.
Harry
1:25 that "OY!" was perfectly synched.
He's just so chill lol
Used like 2% of his power
the spanish style just looks like that, tall with a longpoint
italian is more of a lungy style low on your knees and shit
@@snepping1885 I know what the difference is between Spanish and Italian. I'm referring solely to his composure.
At same level of skill, Spanish style as a slight advantage against Italian style. At much higher level of fencer skill, well... ;-)
I did this sort of fencing for about 5 years. One of my instructors was this 72 year old guy who had fenced for 55 years and who once won an Olympic bronze medal. My best matches against him probably looked a bit like this. He clowned me without even trying.
I also trained combative pentjak silat for 25 years. Another of my instructors, a 6th dan cop who also headed the non-firearm combat training division at a big city police academy, could clown me with similar ease fighting unarmed or with batons. This guy's shtick was was to immobilize and then apply [sometimes imaginary] handcuffs. Every time I fought him he would defeat me within 3 seconds, which always ended with him going 'Click' PAUSE 'Click' as he applied [sometimes imaginary & sometimes real] handcuffs. Even at my peak, when I could match some 3rd dan fighters and some amateur MMA fighters, he always crushed me instantly. Was humbling.
Great video! Beautiful!
Been studying under Ton this view weeks... he makes things looks easy XD
Absolutely insane precision by Ton
I was naught but a mobile test dummy for him
he just starts walking forward and you lose
Tell me about it
if you look at attention you can hear he saying
"My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
Love the hug at the end, signifies a great attitude from both combatants
His awareness is really good. It's like he knows the distance from his opponents point down to the millimeter, and know just when to deflect. It's really cool.
Ton is not only a wonderful fencer, but a really lovely person.
He literally looks like Darth Vader taking up fencing as a hobby.
Sweet jesu, the moves are so graceful and elegant
Spanish rapier is sexy
good sparring and a very good song by Paco de Lucia
I don’t play with swords, I play with guitars… I’d love to play while this stuff was going down. Great choice of music.
I would put on music like this. th-cam.com/video/ubGtlN9iGYY/w-d-xo.html
Or this. th-cam.com/video/gl2rFJMorhw/w-d-xo.html
If you were looking for the song like i was; its Almoraima by Paco de Lucia, first time listening to francisco for me and im glad my enjoyment of hema led me to his music lol
Destreza intensifies*
Es que el ya está en new game plus XD
One of my training buddies had a seminar not long ago with him. He said "it's like he's walking a dog" when he fights (meaning, it's the most casual , relaxing activity for him, or he makes it look so). A while back, they would have praised him with plenty of "sprezzatura"
This is just history repeating itself
Accomplishing so much with so little
The title of this video is very good
I need to sparr with Ton as well!
He exactly knows when to charge in and keeps always his distance or the line closed.
Determination vs Mastery
Fun video, Ton's skill is to be admired.
The closest to the real life El Zorro
Is fighting someone who moves so nonchalantly unnerving? I feel like that alone would worry me.
Yes, 2 different styles here, but in reality he was barely trying
Certainly looks the part, dressed in black
I might be overinterpreting this but at 0:39 it looks like he leaves his sword high to draw them attacks there (like a distraction). I used to fall for a similar deception back in my broken days.
If I wanted to study Rada what's the best place on the internet for learning that style of destreza? Thanks
Unfortunately I am the last person to ask to find out where to learn Spanish swordsmanship
@@charlesdeiliberi Greetings charles turner From what I read this type of comment about the ability used by black in the video, it is La Verdadera Destreza, or, for an English speaker like you, The True Dexterity. You can find it on the Internet or through this Spanish video with English subtitles:th-cam.com/video/Ep1JKYmOC_E/w-d-xo.html
MOVIMIENTO DE CONCLUSIÓN RULES!
😂😂😂😂😂😂👍🏻
The guy is insane
they should use laser swords.
Yeeaaah, I'mma just stick with guns. Sword fighting is wildly dangerous and it doesn't seem like there are many winners in a real life and death sword fight, Kinda just feels like everybody loses in a sword fight 😂
It's so funny watching a Thibault style. Just so much "no" packed into the chillest stance.
Rada not Thibault
People who do Thibault wish they were this good
@Charles Turner ah maybe I'll make a great rapierist since I just don't care. Lol jk 😜
@@charlesdeiliberi I do wonder why we have not seen a Thibault rapierist remotely close to this level. I’ve seen great interpretations of Pacheco, Fabris, Marcelli, etc. I wonder if there is something inherently wrong with the system?
@@Th0ughtf0rce nobody who tries to understand Thibault had done so for very long
That song sounds like Kingston Wall, Nepal or some such shit. Am I wrong?
Spanish music and absolute linear fighting 🤔😄
Gg
I'm surprised Destreza could co-exist in the same time and place as the Spanish Inquisition, because it's clearly black magic.
La Verdadera Destreza is Philosophy, and Geometry.
La Verdadera Destreza de la espada 👏
Gosh how I hate people who fidget like that.
notice how the opponent hardly ever threathens the guy, his point is always facing the ceiling, hence giving this Ton control
typed the wise guy whilst munching down his doritos and a burguer.
Tom: Ill have to duel him right handed...
Team: You know what a hurry we're in!
Seems like all he does is runs in and grabs your hand. Idk, doesn't seem very skillful to me
you have no idea how hard it actually is to make it look that easy lol you'd fold in less than 10 seconds
nobody can beat Zorro!!!!💪
Ton needs a lot of space there. would be interesting to see what happens if he has more pressure via enviroment.
Mr Turner, you’ve just earned my subscription.
whip strikes do not end a duel, rapiers are thrusting weapons.
nice sparring and you look like performing italian style i guess?
Doing my best, yeah
thats sphanesh!
dude was just standing still damn😂 great video
I aspire to the vibe this man produces
You were lucky enough that the storm sunk the Armada ships... if the Spaniards would have set foot on dry land, you would be the ones speaking Spanish instead of us speaking English for your convenience.
Nobody cares
@@charlesdeiliberi 😂
@@Epopteya Creo que tenemos un caso de máximo nacionalismo británico. Lol
Blah blah blah… “I would have beat you, but…” 🤡
達人！
whats name this game?
sticky sticky in your nicky
Where is this?
Purple heart open 2022 in Houston Texas
Why is he grabbing the sword ?
Un diestro verdadero se los come a ropera y daga
1st note, Why isn't he attacking the legs? i do sword fencing and is completely legal, that man is just standing straight, that pose is really easy to break
2nd note, the foot stomps to provocate are an cowardly unhonorable technique
No u
Nah man when someone foot stomps you foot stomp back 😂
it's very easy to break your face on their sword when you go to break their pose/legs lmao
Очень плохо! Ногами оба работать не умеют, скорость низкая. Такое впечатление что оба меч в руку взяли на прошлой неделе максимум, либо вообще вчера
You Internet expert. 😂😂😂😂
@@Emilio_J.J.L. Ага. И 20 лет практики что на дереве и стеклотекстолите, что на железе...
The expert has spoken.
Both of the combatants cross their feet constantly. Which is okay when going forward but when attack ot reversing it's not a good idea
That is objectively false
I am going to be horrifically mean here.
The only video you have of you, is reverse gripping a katana. One of the most maligned grips in a backyard water bottle cut. Of which the only comment you have is yourself.
You are watching two grand fencers at work here and the only thing you have to show yourself. Is a clip that belongs on Reddit.
Completely gay
As opposed to partially