i love your videos. you guys aren't afraid to poke fun at yourselves (like when you strap your faces on random stock art) and that's the positivity we need in this world. also just quality tips in general
I found that adding PVA helps to make the mix more "spreadable" and results in a stronger bond. But this has been my got to technique for bases for years. The other one is to spread pva on the base and dip it in a mix of unsanded tile grout and sand for a desert look.
Important note: If you get sand from nature you need to sanitize it first, a common method is to put it in the oven for a while at a moderately high temperature, although there's more ways, google this if you want more details
Hello I know it’s been a year but maybe you will still answer: why do you have to sanitize the sand? I mean it’s gonna be covered in glue and paint anyways.
@@Philtopy Because there's a chance there's life in it, and depending on what it is and how hardy it is, it might break through all that, it might die and rot, it might compromise the base. Likely nothing happens if you don't, but much better to prevent any potential surprises and just sanitize it.
0:17 Jay...I have no words to convey my bewilderment at this moment. Seriously though its good to put out such a simple one for the beginner. For many years I based the majority of my minis by using green flock over glue and then a very light sprinkle of wheat colored flock to emphasize some dead grass in the green. Then I eventually started adding small rocks that I found that worked well with the size. Later on I started adding long grass in spots and hand trimming. Then started using pre-made grass tufts. I even used a snow texture paste that I found at a crafts stores for the base of a D&D Frost Giant that I painted (I was using a wood base and the moisture in that product warped the heck out of it, lol). EoBs original videos are the ones that introduced me to using cork and for years now any time I go to thrift stores I look for cheap sources for cork (usually cork wall tiles and cork cooking pot coasters). Its amazing how a good base can enhance a beginner's paint jobs and give them the confidence to try more techniques and skills. You guys are doing good work!
I just came up with a great super simple basing material as well, one bag of black tea leaves, one bag of green tea leaves, and a pinch of bright green flock (adjust amount for desired effect) for forest/ jungle bases, apply with PVA, and sprinkle on. Tap base to remove excess.
Wow, this actually really helps me. I like basing, but I made the stupid decision to use Astrogranite, so now I have a cheaper, faster use to get the same effect!
basing is one of my most favourite things. I used to especially like making the smaller bases (before they started to upscale stuff in 40k) as it was more challenging to convey the scene on a smaller surface area. I'll send you a pic of the latest ones I'm working now, now I have started painting again, and I'm doing Nurgle, as the bases will be especially awesome.
Is it not harder to stick minis to bases already painted? I thought it was better to paint the bases after finishing the mini but just be more careful going around the mini
I know this comment is old now, but you can use a hobby drill to make holes on the base and holes under the minis foot/feet, cut paper clips to size and super glue to get them firmly in place. There are plenty of tutorial vids of how to do it ;)
@@angeloclarizio7813 Use hobby clippers to cut the piece off from under their feet. I would recommend cutting off the edge pieces on the sides first (makes it easier to reach under their feet), then smooth the surface with a hobby knife or file (depending on the material of the mini).
I absolutely hate basing. I use texture paint and paint the rim black and call it done (I often times like with my world eaters mark out individual units since I got a lot of berserkers and they are a “dispersed horde” of many 5 man units and I like it for the organization and keeping track of kill tallies) I’ve also glued cut up cereal/model boxes like they’re tiles on the bases and then dry brush them.
Still hunting for a non-gw crackle paint that works and is available. Most crackles don't work well or require two layers to work and then still not the same heavy body gesso + crackle that the GW uses. There used to be one available but it's been "unavailable" for years. It is pretty easy to replicate the cracking sandy mud texture GW uses but the actual crackle dry mud? Much harder.
@@lastspruestanding I keep thinking back to the old Liquitex Crackle medium that was sold.. man.. I am getting old.. a decade ago. Came in a big pot worked great. Honestly think it is the same stuff that GW uses but no one markets cheap big jugs of crackle without pigment. I will look into the AK products.
Golden crackle paste produces line type crackles that work well for desert/riverbed looks. You can also pluck out some sections and use different textures in the gaps. Viva crackling color creates more of the little island effects that you see from GW which looks good for magma/lava. Apply them on top of a gloss varnished or pva layered surface for max crackle effect
I’m a little late to the party but I’ve started my first ever modelling project (Farsight enclave) Tau And have used this idea, I’ve made the bases but they have come out a little light in colour, would it be better to paint black/ dark grey or prime or with spray first?
I've always been 50/50 over scenic bases: They look damned good as a mini-vignette for a figure, but... Seeing a Marine on an industrial walkway with rocks and skulls at his feet, or a British paratrooper on the second floor of a house with a bush and muddy base, kinda looks sill to me. I used base my 28/30mm figures with clear plastic. Major cop-out, I know. ;)
Greenstuffs crackle texture paint, slapp on thick and irregular. Wait for some time, varnish, done. Even easier and looks awesome. Add 3d printed "crystals" in some contrasting paint, also very easy. Now noone will notice how badly you paint your minis so you can just spend money in more minus istead of geting better at painting! Win!
Hey there Eons! A fellow BT player here, who just find your vids. I have a question/request to ask: Could you make a video like this for dark modells? (My Bt-s are standing on astrogranite rn, cause I had a cheap deal XD) But not only one, like some more ideas? I need inspiration! Greetings from Hungary, lad, and keep up the good work!
I use Acrylic Latex Caulk that you buy at Walmart or any store similar to it (around $3) and mix it with Baking Soda ($1), then add black cheap paint (.50¢). Just dump it into a container and it'll last you for a long time (been around 1 year and it's still good).
I think you should always get a black rim on the bases, because the black rim is nothing, (it s represent void so to speak) if you have a beige base and then have a beige rim it'll look like you got your whole army standing on small bumps unintentionally, if you want your army or a comander to stand on a bumb you should base it in such a way (in my opinion)
Not gonna lie, initial random though at tiny thumbnail on phone was "Fuck yeah, I can get behind edible glue on oreos and eat my bases as models are removed!"
Literally all those things are available at Walmart for like six bucks total. And it will last for a ridiculous number of models. Use a recycled container to mix and/or store the product. Seriously, it's about as easy as you can get. What's your problem here?
I've been doing a bit of AT18 lately, you need to use finer sand (vallejo sand texture paste is good here), tile grout colour also works. As long as you choose smaller rocks, smaller tufts etc it works fine
I don’t think the GW texture paints are a plain ripoff. The crumple effect is cool and really hard to achieve with other methods. They *are* overpriced though.
Great video, but one note: "Hate basing? Don't buy a ready to use product, mix your own basing material instead. Do more work basing your models. Even if you hate it."
I get what you're saying, but for many people, a lot of dislike for certain aspects of a hobby comes from inexperience and lack of confidence and creativity. For them, you really can learn to like something by spending more time on it.
The cost of Stirland mud and the like is ludicrous compared to the literal minute it takes to recreate it for a fraction of the price. Hating basing doesn’t mean you hate your money too.
I mean if you have those around then yeah it's cheaper. I assume most hobbyists will have sand, it's smart to get none miniature black paint because it'll cost less than a regular pot and you get more, and I assume most people have spackle around their house.
I don’t ever see any based models, it feels like a lot of work for what to me doesn’t help the model look like it belongs on the battlefield unless it’s specifically matched....
Don’t buy Games workshop texture paints if you enjoy storing loads of random tubs of hobby stuff you’ll seldom use. Also you should not buy GW texture paints if you enjoy another errand on top of your hobbying. Also don’t buy GW washes, they are a rip off. Simply go to the hard ware store, and then the craft store. Once you’ve finished shopping mix your own stuff into large tubs. Sure your friends will finish painting there armies way before you, but you’ll have the satisfaction of knowing that you stuck it to the man. And saved four dollars. Take that you corporate pigs!
I don't like the sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating.
And it gets everywhere!
@@EonsOfBattle or does it?
I love using my Vallejo texture paints - 1 pot costs 10$ and is 200ml of goodness. As I calculated, it will last me...eternity.
i love your videos. you guys aren't afraid to poke fun at yourselves (like when you strap your faces on random stock art) and that's the positivity we need in this world. also just quality tips in general
I found that adding PVA helps to make the mix more "spreadable" and results in a stronger bond. But this has been my got to technique for bases for years. The other one is to spread pva on the base and dip it in a mix of unsanded tile grout and sand for a desert look.
I have never even thought about using grout. I've got tonnes of the stuff
Important note: If you get sand from nature you need to sanitize it first, a common method is to put it in the oven for a while at a moderately high temperature, although there's more ways, google this if you want more details
Boiled in cheesecloth, then rinse through the clothe with clean water to help remove organics...
Hello I know it’s been a year but maybe you will still answer: why do you have to sanitize the sand? I mean it’s gonna be covered in glue and paint anyways.
@@Philtopy Because there's a chance there's life in it, and depending on what it is and how hardy it is, it might break through all that, it might die and rot, it might compromise the base. Likely nothing happens if you don't, but much better to prevent any potential surprises and just sanitize it.
@@jherazob thanks, thats a good point. yet I didnt have an issue in the 10 years I do this with gravel from the outside from numerous places.
0:17 Jay...I have no words to convey my bewilderment at this moment.
Seriously though its good to put out such a simple one for the beginner. For many years I based the majority of my minis by using green flock over glue and then a very light sprinkle of wheat colored flock to emphasize some dead grass in the green. Then I eventually started adding small rocks that I found that worked well with the size. Later on I started adding long grass in spots and hand trimming. Then started using pre-made grass tufts. I even used a snow texture paste that I found at a crafts stores for the base of a D&D Frost Giant that I painted (I was using a wood base and the moisture in that product warped the heck out of it, lol).
EoBs original videos are the ones that introduced me to using cork and for years now any time I go to thrift stores I look for cheap sources for cork (usually cork wall tiles and cork cooking pot coasters). Its amazing how a good base can enhance a beginner's paint jobs and give them the confidence to try more techniques and skills. You guys are doing good work!
Eonsofbattle really be out there making videos for those 3 people who dont like basing. Great job as always
I don't really have time for detailed bases so this is great
Im just completely inept
I'll volunteer as the third as I think it's unnecessary.
@@zarlus8 I'll prove him wrong by being number 4, I also think it's unnecessary
Bases are gay. So this is useful for me.
this is great - I would never have thought to use pink-dry spackle
I just came up with a great super simple basing material as well, one bag of black tea leaves, one bag of green tea leaves, and a pinch of bright green flock (adjust amount for desired effect) for forest/ jungle bases, apply with PVA, and sprinkle on. Tap base to remove excess.
*glances uncomfortably at his pot of Stirland Mud*
Don't feel bad. GW specializes in ripping off people with overpriced stuff.
Wow, this actually really helps me. I like basing, but I made the stupid decision to use Astrogranite, so now I have a cheaper, faster use to get the same effect!
Awesome idea
"don't buy games workshop..." You have me subbed there pal
So simple but so awesome.
basing is one of my most favourite things. I used to especially like making the smaller bases (before they started to upscale stuff in 40k) as it was more challenging to convey the scene on a smaller surface area.
I'll send you a pic of the latest ones I'm working now, now I have started painting again, and I'm doing Nurgle, as the bases will be especially awesome.
you're my favorite practical warhammer channel. great stuff!
Tile grout makes for some great basing material too. Got a bunch of it for 3 bucks. :D
" steal sand from a beach!" Yes yes yes cause those fu€#&$ have way more than enough! 😂
Nice, this video works perfectly for me honestly
Is it not harder to stick minis to bases already painted? I thought it was better to paint the bases after finishing the mini but just be more careful going around the mini
I know this comment is old now, but you can use a hobby drill to make holes on the base and holes under the minis foot/feet, cut paper clips to size and super glue to get them firmly in place. There are plenty of tutorial vids of how to do it ;)
@@casulwulfgaming1881 so I have older orks from 2005 with the flat line slot. How do I get them to stick on these type of bases.
@@angeloclarizio7813 Use hobby clippers to cut the piece off from under their feet. I would recommend cutting off the edge pieces on the sides first (makes it easier to reach under their feet), then smooth the surface with a hobby knife or file (depending on the material of the mini).
I absolutely hate basing. I use texture paint and paint the rim black and call it done (I often times like with my world eaters mark out individual units since I got a lot of berserkers and they are a “dispersed horde” of many 5 man units and I like it for the organization and keeping track of kill tallies)
I’ve also glued cut up cereal/model boxes like they’re tiles on the bases and then dry brush them.
Do you always base before putting your miniatures on the finished bases? Or do you sometimes paint the miniatures before you base?
Question: Can I base after setting the mini on it? Still new to the hobby
If only I saw this yesterday before I bought Astrogranite Debris....... (hangs head in shame)
Still hunting for a non-gw crackle paint that works and is available. Most crackles don't work well or require two layers to work and then still not the same heavy body gesso + crackle that the GW uses. There used to be one available but it's been "unavailable" for years. It is pretty easy to replicate the cracking sandy mud texture GW uses but the actual crackle dry mud? Much harder.
Have a look at the AK range they have some crackle products that work nicely and are in larger amounts, also greenstuff world
@@lastspruestanding I keep thinking back to the old Liquitex Crackle medium that was sold.. man.. I am getting old.. a decade ago. Came in a big pot worked great. Honestly think it is the same stuff that GW uses but no one markets cheap big jugs of crackle without pigment. I will look into the AK products.
@@meatybtz Vallejo has a crackle paint aswel
Pretty solid from what I have seen
@@maxxammax0 Thanks to all for the recommendations. I will look into them.
Golden crackle paste produces line type crackles that work well for desert/riverbed looks. You can also pluck out some sections and use different textures in the gaps. Viva crackling color creates more of the little island effects that you see from GW which looks good for magma/lava. Apply them on top of a gloss varnished or pva layered surface for max crackle effect
I know I'll steal sand from my children! Great idea I have this stuff lying around and it looks fantastic
gonna have to make some of the basing compund
Gel super glue or liquid I hate liquid though it gets everywhere
Awesome Info
I’m a little late to the party but I’ve started my first ever modelling project (Farsight enclave) Tau
And have used this idea,
I’ve made the bases but they have come out a little light in colour, would it be better to paint black/ dark grey or prime or with spray first?
The spackle doesn't crack? The mini doesn't fall off the spackle after gluing? I guess I'm more concerned with cracking.
If I used polyfilla instead of speckle, will I get the same result?
Do you guys do all your bases first? And then pint your model separate?
Or put everything together then paint?
I've got a bunch of spare grout at home I can use for this. You don't use any PVA glue. Do you find that the spackle alone sticks to the base?
Can you make the same mixture with a different color if paints?
I've always been 50/50 over scenic bases: They look damned good as a mini-vignette for a figure, but... Seeing a Marine on an industrial walkway with rocks and skulls at his feet, or a British paratrooper on the second floor of a house with a bush and muddy base, kinda looks sill to me. I used base my 28/30mm figures with clear plastic. Major cop-out, I know. ;)
Greenstuffs crackle texture paint, slapp on thick and irregular. Wait for some time, varnish, done. Even easier and looks awesome. Add 3d printed "crystals" in some contrasting paint, also very easy. Now noone will notice how badly you paint your minis so you can just spend money in more minus istead of geting better at painting! Win!
Hey there Eons! A fellow BT player here, who just find your vids. I have a question/request to ask: Could you make a video like this for dark modells? (My Bt-s are standing on astrogranite rn, cause I had a cheap deal XD) But not only one, like some more ideas? I need inspiration! Greetings from Hungary, lad, and keep up the good work!
I'd assume the same process with a tan/kakhi color for sand would make a good rocky dessert
Basing is the best part 😳
Who hates it?
for real, making bases is fun
You could try and just use tile grout...
Do you have a ratio for all this? I see you're doing 3 models, but I have about 50 models I need to base.
I use Acrylic Latex Caulk that you buy at Walmart or any store similar to it (around $3) and mix it with Baking Soda ($1), then add black cheap paint (.50¢).
Just dump it into a container and it'll last you for a long time (been around 1 year and it's still good).
I think you should always get a black rim on the bases, because the black rim is nothing, (it s represent void so to speak) if you have a beige base and then have a beige rim it'll look like you got your whole army standing on small bumps unintentionally, if you want your army or a comander to stand on a bumb you should base it in such a way (in my opinion)
Not gonna lie, initial random though at tiny thumbnail on phone was "Fuck yeah, I can get behind edible glue on oreos and eat my bases as models are removed!"
Quick and easy involves.. buying drywall spackle, random arts and craft paint and sand? Sure.
Literally all those things are available at Walmart for like six bucks total. And it will last for a ridiculous number of models. Use a recycled container to mix and/or store the product. Seriously, it's about as easy as you can get. What's your problem here?
Any tips for bases with smaller scales, like 6mm?
I've been doing a bit of AT18 lately, you need to use finer sand (vallejo sand texture paste is good here), tile grout colour also works. As long as you choose smaller rocks, smaller tufts etc it works fine
0:20 Wow where is that plague doctor from!?
Reaper
I'm from the UK...what's wall spakel? 😂
Plasterboard filler.
Did a little internet search and found something I'll use in the UK 👌😏
Go to Wilkos and buy a pot of their own brand wall filler. Cheap as chips.
Stealing sand from the beach is actually illegal in the UK, you can get quite a hefty fine for doing it.
I got Astrogranate in a standard starter package and it's... not very great. But okay.
I don’t think the GW texture paints are a plain ripoff. The crumple effect is cool and really hard to achieve with other methods. They *are* overpriced though.
What is spackle?
its drywall joint compound! it's make of gypsum powder and binders, and is used to repair holes in drywall and plaster walls.
Great video, but one note:
"Hate basing? Don't buy a ready to use product, mix your own basing material instead. Do more work basing your models. Even if you hate it."
I get what you're saying, but for many people, a lot of dislike for certain aspects of a hobby comes from inexperience and lack of confidence and creativity. For them, you really can learn to like something by spending more time on it.
The cost of Stirland mud and the like is ludicrous compared to the literal minute it takes to recreate it for a fraction of the price. Hating basing doesn’t mean you hate your money too.
what if i love basing?
Then every single other video he has made is for you...
First!
Those bases sure do look like they were made by someone who hates bases...
"Don't buy texture paint. It's a scam. Go to a hardware store, buy a tub of spackle, and get some acryllic art paint. That's so much easier."
I mean if you have those around then yeah it's cheaper.
I assume most hobbyists will have sand, it's smart to get none miniature black paint because it'll cost less than a regular pot and you get more, and I assume most people have spackle around their house.
@@oliverp3545 even if you need to buy it, it's all cheap and readily available to end up with more than you will ever need.
I don’t ever see any based models, it feels like a lot of work for what to me doesn’t help the model look like it belongs on the battlefield unless it’s specifically matched....
Don’t buy Games workshop texture paints if you enjoy storing loads of random tubs of hobby stuff you’ll seldom use. Also you should not buy GW texture paints if you enjoy another errand on top of your hobbying. Also don’t buy GW washes, they are a rip off. Simply go to the hard ware store, and then the craft store. Once you’ve finished shopping mix your own stuff into large tubs. Sure your friends will finish painting there armies way before you, but you’ll have the satisfaction of knowing that you stuck it to the man. And saved four dollars. Take that you corporate pigs!
Don't take sand from the beach.