Is Honda really discontinuing their Lawn Mowers?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ต.ค. 2022
- I ran across some business articles concerning the discontinuation of Honda lawn mowers. I was surprised at first, but after considering the market these days, it makes sense. So don't panic!
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Anyone saying battery mowers are popular they are not!
Lowes has about 100 electric mowers on the top shelf. Only had 6 of the cheapest honda mowers in stock. I'm getting a brand new hrx hya
@@de67ville I'll continue to use gasoline mowers and equipment.
Honda makes arguably some of the best equipment. Looks like I need to try to find some Honda stuff to add to my collection 😊
I've got a few engines stashed away and some equipment.
Every gardener in my neighborhood uses honda mowers and engines on reel mowers and edgers. i am so not with this new electricity joke
Any time I acquire, fix and flip a push mower that is Honda powered, it sells QUICK in my area (Chicagoland). So I hope they will still supply engines to other mower makers for a while.
I agree. Mowers with Honda engines sell pretty fast. I'm sure they will still be around.
Gotta get your Honda mowers before they’re all gone by 2024
Will plan to sell my old Honda and buy new.
I think used mowers are going to go for a premium after 2014.
My hrx 217 has almost 1500 hours on it and is still going strong. Best and longest lasting push mowers I’ve ever owned. We did A LOT of cemeteries hence the crap ton of hours. It’ll prob get another couple hundred hours this mowing season again lol. It’s all in the maintenance. Altho none of my Briggs powered push mowers have lasted near that long
Yes, with proper maintenance they will last a long time.👍👍
Well this is most upsetting news.
Well i just found out. I think it is partially electric popularity and as well the Honda's diagonal spit case (on the GCV160) with the 4 gasket long bolt carb mount, finally caught up to them along with the EPA rules. The GX (pumps and gensets) series are still hanging in there Thanks for the informative video. BTW I still work on a lot of Tecumseh stuff. 14 years gone now. Sorry I am rambling on my first post.
Bruce
Good to hear from you Bruce. It will be interesting to see the future of Honda mowers. Will they come back with a more efficient engine, or will they go electric? Or maybe none at all. I'm sure we will still be working on Honda engines for many, many years to come.
I get some Tecumsehs now and then too Bruce, especially on old Toros which are a popular brand in my area (Chicagoland). They seem to be pretty good engines and easy to fix too.
@@SmallEngineDIY Interesting thing is, in other markets Honda makes some nice looking electric mowers. I don't understand why those haven't been introduced to the North American market. Honda makes one GX engine mower for the Canadian market and that's the commercial HRC2163HXC. I currently own it and love it.
What about their snowblower line?
I have had Honda engines on 2 different power washers, and a 21 in lawn mower going on 8yrs old now. Are they continuing to sell mower blades, and parts for the Honda hrr mowers ??? Love Honda mowers. Do you think Home Depot will stop carrying Honda mowers ??
I'm sure they will sell parts, at least until they run out of inventory. After that, I'm sure China manufacturers will pop up everywhere.
I hate to hear this, I just bought a new Honda mower and it's the best one I've ever had and I absolutely love it
Hang on to it. It will last for many more years! 👍
I wouldn’t be surprised if they come out with an electric mower line. The mower market is too big for them to just drop out.
It will be interesting to see.
They already offer an electric model in Australia. I doubt they will build any more gas powered mowers though.
We'll see, but it's much harder to stand out from the crowd in the electric mower landscape. Honda made awesome gas engines. Having ball-bearing wheels gave them a little advantage, but honestly, they are way behind on electrification. I don't think they foresaw how much homeowners would like mowing with electric. Just pop in the battery and go. Many homeowners I know went back to mowing their own lawns because it was so much more pleasant. Plus all the tool companies with lots of battery electric experience started making mowers like Dewalt, Milwaukee, Makita, Kobalt, Ryobi, Skill, as well as battery electric only companies like EGO, Greenworks. That's just way too many brands.
I think they have one for the Australian market same generation as these hrns
@@scottkolaya2110 Yeah, but the majority of those devices suck. The Honda electric units offered in Europe and Australia are of superior quality.
I've owned a couple of HRX models. I'm now in the market for a commercial version self-propelled mower.
I'll help Honda exit the mower market, by buying a non-Honda mower.
Thanks for the update.
Well, my HRC2163HXC, a commercial mower (similar model to the HRC216HXA) blows other commercial brands in that size range out of the metaphorical water. You will not find a commercial mower with the features or durability like the Honda.
@@WJCTechyman Do you know if the drive systems on the HRC & HRX are different?
I have always thought my HRX models (drive system), were a little on the frail side, for the long haul. I'm sure on flat even lawns, they'd perform well.
But my yard is hilly and bumpy (little over 1/2 acre). I need a mower that can take a beating and hold up over the years.
I do all my own maintenance, and have replaced wheels, keys, springs, etc.
Thought about getting a new Honda mower with this news, but the one I have is 20 years old and still runs like when I bought it.
I've got a few Honda engines. They run great.
I have a Honda weed trimmer and a Honda HRN mower i just bought 2 years ago
Hang on to them. They should keep running for many years. 👍
Their French plant will still be making mowers and tillers there, only USA plant shut, problems with EPA and such. ATVs more profitable.
I remember my uncle had the riding mower with the liquid cooled engine. That's sad that they're discontinuing they're mower line altogether like lawn-boy discontinuing they're 2 cycle engines back in 2005. Before it's all said and done all lawn equipment will be all electric.
I still have a couple of Lawn Boys. I guess I'll have to hang on to my Honda.
@@SmallEngineDIY Are they the F engine or the V engine lawn-boy?
How long can you keep a new mower in its box on a shelf? Might stash one in my attic.
I guess I'm going to keep the one I've got.
I’m wondering the same thing. I was planning on replacing my John Deere JS40 with a Honda once it is finally worn out. The Briggs Intek engine on it is a beast but it will not last forever. I may buy a higher end Honda mower and store it with a few of the desiccant bags in the box that come with our parts in shipping containers at work.
Any updates on this?
This upsets me actually. The battery technolgy isnt good enough to support an electric market for commercial use. They are strangling out the gas engines and forcing the electrics even though they arent telling the whole story.....Those batteries dont last forever either. Grrr.....going to need to purchase another Honda HRC216 next year I guess.
I have a spare Honda mower and a few Honda engines. I'm still tempted to try out some of the latest electric mowers and trimmers. I think they have advanced greatly in the last couple of years.
Its better to buy a new mower than paying for a replacement battery.
@@SmallEngineDIY They certainly have. I can fix anything and maintain my equipment really well so I knew I'd be too old to mow before my gas mower died. I bought an electric and sold my gas mower a few years ago. I still have a big commercial scag zero turn in the shed, but honestly like mowing with the electric much more that I rarely use it. My electric string trimmer is way better than my old gas (older commercial homelite). Its throttle is really precise and has tons of power when you need it. The leaf blower isn't silent, but much quieter and once you go electric you find yourself having a different process because you're not avoiding restarting your equipment. Never need to run out and fill the gas cans. I'm not sure for commercial, but it certainly works great for the homeowners.
Batteries are better than they were and the electric mowers are better. However, the lifespan of most of these batteries is unknown. We're going to have landfill issues in 20 years.
Batteries should last 4 to 6 years. Recycling batteries is going to be a big business...
@@SmallEngineDIY Yeah paid for by borrowed tax dollars. Probably end up in a landfill in the third world like our plastic waste does or in the ocean.
After almost 15 years with a top of the line Honda mower and not a single repair needed decided to purchase a new one before they stop production. Not so good luck with the new one, out of the box defective. The compression release mechanism is not working making it very difficult to start. Unfortunately Honda nor Northern Tool will replace it but requiring me to take it in to their shop. The GCV200 has the cam internal with push rods rather than overhead cam. With the new set up the engine requires complete disassembly to replace the cam and compression relief mechanism. I am disappointed to buy a new mower and have the engine completely taken apart and reassembled. Unexpected from Honda to ship it with the defect. The pull cord abruptly stopped when I first pulled it so hard it bent the keeper on the handle. I purchased a Honda battery charger to make sure the battery is fully charged. Have you encountered this problem? The mechanic at the shop said they had just completed one and that the part is on backorder. th-cam.com/video/MPvxokO1YII/w-d-xo.html
I have an HRX 217 I use for some of my lawns with limited access to rear lawns etc. it’s a great mower and fires up with a single pull. I only run non ethanol in it as I do all of my lawn equipment. I picked it up used a few years ago for $250.
I have an HRX 217 with electric start. The starter went out, but it still starts on the first pull.
Does this mean they are dis continue part as well? I was going to buy one should I still buy one?
I would go ahead and buy one. The parts should still be available for many years.
The parts are allready going away. I made the mistake of buying an HRX 217 with the GCV 200 engine two years ago and you can no longer get parts for the engine or the rest of the mower. The parts for the hydraulic drive are no longer available according to their website.
The small engines for mowers are all going away eventually. I have a GCV 160 engine on the shelf for future applications should I need it, but right now my Tecumseh and Briggs engines are still going strong with no issues. The Suzuki line of mower engines went away about ten years ago. Sadly, Kawas are the only decent mower engines still being made for the foreseeable future now.
I like the Kawasaki engines and I have a few Honda engines saved also.
Kawasaki engines are about as reliable as Honda, but the Honda GXV160 engines are easier to maintain and simpler in design to similar sized and power Kawasaki engines as there isn't the need for filtered pressure oil lubrication, parts are readily available in most places without special order (I had a Kawasaki powered Deere walk behind and parts were pretty uncommon for those and it had issues like a missing fuel tank, the ignition was temperamental and caused the machine to often not even run and I had to special order the tank and filter and they were expensive as well for what they were). There's a good reason we see Honda engines being copied because Honda got the GX engine design right and it became the standard. Besides lawn mowers, you don't see Kawasaki on much. Actually, if anything, I see more Kohler.
@@WJCTechyman Hondas tend to have part issues before they go bad. Replacing the cables (I hate Honda cables), the spring blade clutch mechanism, the wheels, the overabundance of hardware which is time consuming work to take apart.. also the seat inside the carburetor is not replaceable on Japanese-made models, so you can only "re-surface" it with a drill.. the whole ends up worth less than the sum of its parts (even though it is still a "good" engine)..
Also, the engine models are hard to distinguish with too many immemorable numbers in different locations on each engine (you can't count on finding the right part if you search "GCV-160" for instance).. But.. if they are cheap, I'll buy them all day long!
@@WJCTechyman I do like the GCV160 engine because it is over-all a practical engine when maintained well. Never owned a Kawa of any type.
It's the e.p.a plus other factors are the cause of them doing that the head quarters are here in Georgia Alpharetta to be exact
Of course, screwing up their last mower design didn't help where mowing slightly damp grass causes the drive belt to come off and get jammed up doesn't help customer satisfaction any.
@@scottkolaya2110 that is the truth about that matter young man 👍😎 the one question is what caused Husqvarna to get out of the home owner grade mower business
@@robertmailhos8159 I think the segment it just way too crowded, and Huskies just used Briggs or Honda engines anyway. Plus with the line of new electrics that most regular homeowners with regular-size lawns, it's hard to beat the simplicity, quietness, and convenience of electric mowers. Some of the new ones are coming in AWD with a super nice cut quality and x blades that can mulch the clippings really fine that no bagging is needed. No running to the gas station with a jerry can in the trunk. I know Honda has the same x system, but Huskies are just regular old single blade. They were just getting a smaller and smaller slice of the pie. I know neighbors that went back to mowing their own lawns (instead of a service) specifically because it was so much nicer mowing with electric.
@@scottkolaya2110 okay thanks for your reply on this matter 😎👍
@@scottkolaya2110 Its people like you that can't see the writing on the wall! Gas powered mowers used to last 20 to 30 years. The electric mowers are all full with brittle plastic, they won't make it past 5 to 8 years, and the batteries will lose capacity much quicker. The battery tech, LifePo4, doesn't do well in the cold. Discharging them below 10% and charging them over 90% kills them too. Most don't know about those details and degrade them fast when they don't pay close attention. All this anti gas engine push will cause only more throw-away products that don't last by design, and you are the enabler by buying into this BS.
They don't want to cover any Nexite deck warranties.
How will this affect other lawn-mower manufacturers that have engines supplied from Honda?
Honda will still supply the motors... I think. Should be no shortage.
You can say it , the tree huggers are winning
Probably. They were made too good. Mines 9 years old. 1 oil change. 2 total clutch adjustments. My craftsman, 6 months carb literally needed rebuilt twice
They are only stopping the mower engine line all other small engines still manufactured.
i think there is more profit in electric because the batteries don't last long,and you have to buy another one
Bingo. More throw-away products that generate more profit, all under the disguise of being "green".
Yeah, there's a huge problem with battery mowers though and that's the fact that lithium is incredibly toxic. The way we mine for Lithium is about as detrimental environmentally as the Alberta tar sands. Lithium batteries are not nearly as recyclable as lead acid batteries and are also less forgiving when being dropped or punctured. I dropped a lead acid battery and it had a leak. A little baking soda on the puddle and containing the battery I was able to get a replacement. Do the same to lithium type batteries they burst into flames.
What about warranty's and parts.
I am sure they will still honor any warranty. Parts will be available for a few years, and China made after that.
Only In Northern US. Honda isn’t dropping the lawnmower line, they will still be made outside of the US because of the EPA bullshoy
Glad to hear they are not dropping their generators, they will make great money on generator sales alone with these EV cars on the roads.
Generators are a hot market and they make some great generators.
@@SmallEngineDIY Yupp, they're up there with Yamaha. If I could afford them I would buy them.
Will they still make weed trimmers?
I am not sure about their trimmers and small 4 stroke engines.
they are also canceling their snow throwers
In our market. Not in every market. You know, to save the WORLD.
In canada, I have reached out to contacts and they say honda will continue building lawn mowers. Honda is just changing where they are manufacturing the lawn mowers. Any comments.... I would not buy anything else other than honda
Great news for Toro eh? 😄
yuup, I bet Toro company is throwing one hell of a party now😀
I will never buy battery . I love my Honda HRX217HYA I went and paid $2K for 2 . Buying new Echo pas system trimmer etc and new blowers . All Echo gas units .
So they are going to continue to offer their GX engines but claim environmental reasons as one of the factors yet aren't their mowers equipped with GX engines ? So you can have their lawn mower without blades and wheels in the future as it will be just an engine !
no problem. I can still buy a chonda
Maybe a Handa...
Toodloo, Honda, to your crappy carb that clogs if the engine sits for more than 30 min. without running.
Did you mean "R.I.P."?
they got fined for failing emissions
Walk behind mowers
THIS IS HAPPENING IN TO DO OUR GOVERNOR HE SIGNED A BILL BANNING ALL SMALL ENGINES INCLUDING ALL HONDA GX I WAS BUILDING A GO KART i WANTED A GREAT ENGINE AKA honda gx i took several phone calls to different parts from the USA /CANAda i called one place they told me they had to call HONDA FOR APPROVAL IT CA/EPA APPROVED FOR SALE IN CALIFORNIA
And to make things worse they put a stop sale order on their mowers for a mechanical issue. I own the HRN 216 and to be honest its not that great of a mower. Plastic tires, no bearings in the wheels and you need to overlap so you dont get stragglers. See ya Honda!
Well shucks
Honda is a motor company, they make cars, motorcycles, and personal use vehicles. They do make some electric motors but aren’t the best at the other components. They are a motor company.
That is not true I recently bought a Honda mower and talked to the company about purchasing mower and that is no truth you speak
Suspect eventually they only make engines. Never trusted their mowers anyway- they always seemed like toys.
We can all thank California for their frivolous law suit against Honda.
Hate to hear the news. I have owned Honda power equipment for years and years.. Best product in my opinion. I guess i'll fly my Honda flag at Half Staff.
None of this battery powered BS makes any sense. There will be big problems in the landfill years from now. I’ll be purchasing a new commercial gas powered mower and taking good care of it!
Are you working for nasa?
Just a big fan of NASA. I was an engineer at Boeing in the past. But never made it to NASA.
Honda is not going to sell in the US anymore, the rest of the world still gets honda mowers.
Japanese manufacturers are very long sighted planners. It's obvious that EV's are getting more popular and even though EV's aren't up to snuff with their gasoline counterparts the consumer is being very patient and excited over the new clean technology. I'm gonna be patient and wait to hear what Honda is going to do. So far rumor/gossip says that the North Carolina plant where they make the mowers is being retooled for the higher margined ATV's. I think Honda is planning a battery factory for all of their small engine equipment or adopting some other energy technology like hydrogen or maybe tooling a carbon fiber rubber band that can get 3200 rpm in one wind and run for hours who knows?
yuk yuk yuk!
I'm sure the lawn mowers are probably the least profitable product they make compared to the others. And they are probably going to vastly increase their ATV and side by side production because they see didn't no matter how expensive or option loaded outdoor ATVs or 4x4s and side by sides and so on but they manufacture did they put as higher prices they want on them and they will still sell tons of them. People have been brainwashed with commercials into buying products like this that cost as much as a vehicle and some people buy multiples of them. So why would anybody waste their time and their employees profit potential by building lawn mowers? I never cared for Honda lawn mowers anyway because as far as replacing the parts it's so much easier to find Briggs and Stratton filters or whatever everywhere. And Honda lawn mower engines are very finicky because of a couple of extremely fine things built into their carburetor system that other brands don't have. And this makes Honda lawn mower engines hard to start and you can still pull the carburetor off and clean it but it is not the same as other carburetors and if you don't know what it is you'll just buy another lawn mower because it's a Honda. The internet has allowed people to understand the problems with this lawn mower engine that make it finicky but not a bad engine and they've been teaching the rest of us so they're not selling his main lawn mowers as they were because people are fixing their own so now they're going to sell them more profitable product. Which is normal business, you're not in it to failure in it to make profit just like every other company. They have Honda leadership could figure out what the hell to do with their cars that are deadly falling off the market. 🤔🤣
Worst mower I use. My Dads qualcast is far superior.
I use Qualcast, Hayter, Flymo, Honda and a new one that is a superb machine. A Hyundai HYM510SPE
The 2 Hondas I use are both pathetic and only work when the ground is 99.99999% dry and the grass is no more than 2 or 3 inches high.. If not it's 1/4 to 1/2 bags, dropping lumps of grass because it's stuck in the flue..
Tesla self mowing lawnmower coming 2024
The first Tesla Mars mower.
Eat the bugs! Own nothing and be happy! No more combustion engines for you!
Honda is discontinuing the use of OHV motors in their lawn mowers for a variety of reasons. The first is that OHV motors are less efficient than newer designs. This means that they use more fuel and produce more emissions. Additionally, they are louder than newer designs, which can be a nuisance for some homeowners. Honda is also discontinuing the use of OHV motors in order to move towards more environmentally friendly options. Electric and battery-powered lawn mowers are becoming more popular, and Honda wants to be at the forefront of this trend. Additionally, Honda is also working on developing hydrogen-powered lawn mowers, which would produce zero emissions. Ultimately, Honda is discontinuing the use of OHV motors in their lawn mowers in order to be more efficient and environmentally friendly.
What are the newer internal combustion engine designs that are not over head cam and or over head valve?
I called Honda and talked to a rep. Made a video as well. They said single stage snowblowers as well as Honda mowers will be discontinued. 🪦 soon they’ll discontinue generators I bet and small engines. Just focus on cars and atvs. More profit for their pockets
We will see what happens in the next few years.
@@SmallEngineDIY crazy to me. Especially since they been making them since 1978. Obviously they had demand of them. Where will people go now for their mowers