This took me longer to make than I would like to admit and I changed my mind about the outcome at least 3 times after going full Neckbeard research specs It's pre much the Slann + Skaven vs the legion if we are honest Here is the hentai : www.patreon.com/majorkill
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Wait if they could at least push back the space marines, couldn’t, well every race steal and use the technology of the dead space marines? Just imagine space dinosaurs
The answer is No because Games workshop would some how turn a battle for the warhammer fantasy world into 10,000 years of ceaseless war that ultimately ends with the world exploding and everyone dying. FUCK YOU END TIMES!!!
@@hurb3222 yeah lol. But I mean just imagine Sanguinius battling dragons in the air and slaughtering them left and right like a hot knife through butter. It would be a spectacle to see
In another situation, I can imagine Karls Franz bending the knee and becoming planetary governor, while sigmar being identified with Big E and having its cult integrated to the Eclesiarchy.
Dwarfs, Ogres giants are written of as abhumans Elfs are purged because Eldar Lizard an are purged after insanely costly campaign because slann Unded, beastman, skaven, norsca etc.. Are purged because chaos Orks aren't purged because you can't get rid of them but they are subdued Tomb lords are quarantined because you can't really destroy them Imagine guard regiments from this planet tho. Rough riders on gryphons Pegasus and demigryphs Infantry clad in dwwrven Armour making them in Reade oh resistant Slayer units eating much of fire on the Frontline because of their sheer resistance Ogres being used as ogryns Giants being used on spaceships to carry shells and load guns
Is it just me or is Warhammer fantasy the story of Lizardmen vs Skaven and everyone else is just along for the ride? Those two factions make the others look like jokes
They are the only two completely United factions. On top of that they have insane numbers. Lizard men are direct creations of the op old ones and perfectly crafted for combat, and the skaven are extremely survivable and versatile and have insane mobility.
The flaw with this is that I don’t think they would attack most areas simultaneously I believe they would attack the empire first and pacify that area first striking out slowly allowing them to build fortification and build trust with the locals.
@@DarkZedCannon You are implying that the skaven can resist detection of the space marines because they're skaven? Who don't have to deal with modern technology as they hold the most technological position amongst the fantasy races. They've never had the shoe on the other foot by a colossal margin
the problem with your strategy is that it assumes that space marine chapter would think much of this world, realistically the first parties sent would be masscred along there transports because they were expecting no resistance until they hit the ground, then they have no guarantee of actually doing well when the they land, sure bolters will prove effective in a fire fight, but when guerilla tactics are being used by people in there native locations with magic, they have the advantage, not to mention characters like grombrindal that are pretty much immortal killing machines, keep in mind that once the first wave gets masscred they then would go back to the drawing board, which would be when the marine kills grow to a staggering degree, however the marines simply would be worn down by the planet's numerous defenders, hell hellstorm rocket batteries have more power in a rocket then a bolter would, so much of the artillery would actually be effective on them, keep in mind that every faction makes use of super heavy artillery in at least select cities that would rip apart space marines like butter, ultimately the space marines would eventually take those cities, however they would lose thousands upon thousands, with there victory being hollow at best when things like me the chaos moon comes out at the space marines face the deadliest night of the year at a time where they see the other races are digging in, which would mean go on the offensive to any tactician, while plot armor would make the gulliman say that something must be happening to cause this, ultimately space marines would still suffer heavy casualties from positions they thought safe being overrun, which would then make there momentum be lost overnight, they lose there advantage as the fantasy world is gaining them, getting access to bolters, grenades, and even armor, shields and weapons made from downed vehicles, causing the space marines to lose more and more, with grimgore normally not being outside sitting around for someone to attack him, him and his body guard of elite black orcs would all be decked out in that powerful gear, causing the massive whaaagggg he would call up in responce to an attack of this scale to be the most powerful seen in the warhammer world, all while elves wittle there numbers elsewhere, the empire takes it's toll in taking, the dwarfs holding firm in there mountains, with powerful warmachines and runic magic protecting them, the lizardmen delivering some of the heaviest damage to the space marine numbers, skaven would kill marines while they patrol and even launch assaults from below, as even space marines aren't immune to the diseases they bring, chaos champions like kholek would be able to take on numerous marines in open battle, while the tomb kings with there constructs and limitless hordes would simply enter a battle of attrition with the marines, something that goes badly for people with a finite number of soldiers
@Anupam Datta Sarkar ultra marines are the worst because plot armor is the only thing they have going for them besides getting the dumbest colouration, only way they could be a worse legion overall is if games workshop stopped only caring about space marines
Very cool video :) I'm just curious about your thoughts on the legion not having access to Psyker. Sure the council of Nikea "prevent" legions from using them but that hasn't remove the presence of psykers within legions (they were just not allowed to use powers, as you can read in some horus heresy books about blood angels). Which mean that within the legions, lot of dormant psyker would have been used to block big spells. Also, you talk about invading using thunderhawks and drop pod but you forgot the teleportarium (it existed at that time right ?), which would change the tide as full squad of termies could appear in front of slanns or magicians to wipe them down even before they can cast a single spell.
I’m just imagining the Skaven bolting various bits of Space Marine armour on Stormfiends and Rat Ogres, mutating captured marines and turning them into extremely powerful monsters, and my boy, Queek Headtaker, gouging marines and taking their heads.
@Crooked Warden Dwarf Gouger can penetrate anything, it only ever hasn’t penetrated Belegar’s shield and that’s because it’s an extremely magical item, and Gorfang’s armour couldn’t stand up to Dwarf Gouger, and it penetrated it like anything else, but it was just so thick that it just couldn’t get far enough in to do real damage. So I think Queek definitely has the capability to kill a Space Marine whose armour is extremely strong but otherwise secular, besides he’s also fast as hell and Queek’s heads are able and do tell him things he shouldn’t know, so Queek would know how somewhat to kill a Space Marine. Queek’s killed monsters too including Manticores and Wyverns, I think they have the capability to kill a Space Marine I definitely think Stormfiends and Rat Ogres can wear space marine armour, besides if it can’t then that’s what Skaven science is for.
@Crooked Warden it’s not a sword, it’s a Maul, which he duel wields with a sword, though with how Queek uses it it’s more like a War pick with a hammer at the back. I imagine Queek could kill a single Space Marine, he’s not nearly as strong or tough as one, and if the Space Marine managed to grab Queek, unless he does something quick with Dwarf Gouger, he’s fucked. Queek would definitely sorta be a glass cannon, but he’s definitely killed bigger and stronger things, or at least on par in terms of strength and size, like Orc Warbosses, Ogres, Manticores, Wyverns, moreover he doesn’t need to worry about the Space Marine’s armour during this too, because his weapon makes pretty much all armour worthless.
Queek would get melted by an astartes lmao. Only things physically strong enough to pose a threat to an armored marine are a doombull, a legendary black orc like grimgor or an ancient kroxigors. And most of these guys would probably just autismo charge a space Marine and get gunned down. Taurox would probably body quite a few marine however cause being a khorne follower means you press attack and kill stuff also his living bronze skin. Gor-rok/nakai SHOULD be in the same tier especially if they have slann enchanted weapons which well the slann can probably deflect bolters easily considering that they dissolved a moon a max power. Krog-gar is definitely strong enough to kill even named space Marines and dreadnoughts. Like this guy lost his city walked through lands which were basically chaos, killed SEVERAL greater demons. Shattered a very potent skaven weapon which one shot melted his carnosaur who was also a legendary beast. And was the only saurus to walk off the planet. Ungrim will die but take a few just because angry midget lol. Gotrek probably krog gar levels if not greater Of space Marine spanking. Queek does not measure up to these. He will get gunned down like the filthy warp addicted degenerate rat he is.
@@loowick4074 I’m saying he has the capability to kill a Space Marine, due to Dwarf Gouger, that’s what I was trying to communicate. His swiftness and agility has been compared to Elven Dancers, and Dwarf Gouger can pierce any armour apart from literally one shield. So Queek has the capability to kill a Space Marine in my opinion. Is it likely? Maybe not, but he could do it.
So, let's say Queek is able to pierce power armor with his pick. What then? Marines still have nearly instantly-clotting blood, redundant organs, and are much harder to kill than just a regular human scaled up. Piercing the armor often times isn't enough, you could stab a naked marine straight through the torso with a spear and he would simply pull it out like nothing happened. Unless Dwarf Gouger has some special poison or killing enchantment it won't be enough on its own.
Idea: One custodes or librarian (or 10 if that's not enough) is stuck in the star wars galaxy. Can he/they create a new everlasting empire? Edit: Turn the number of the custodes up to the entire custodes on the emperor's palace plus several chapters of space marines (they can also recruit people into their ranks to create guardsmen lite). If still not enough, put in a primarch. If still not enough to create an empire, sprinkle some more astartes chapters or guardsmen. If still not enough, then idk, this thread is pretty much dead lmao.
no because they would not have the numbers to man a dreadnought class star fighter and the force is similar to warp powers in a fight a custodes can't relay do anything if they are being chocked to death or crushed by the force
@@spencegame unless sigmar says "yes, I'm a fragment of the psyche of the emperor" I can't see sigmar being a god and coexisting with big E. And I think that in terms of power, sigmar is on par with fighting primarchs like vulkan and Leman
What's the view on etherial units like wraiths, banshees etc? They need magic or magical weapons to be killed. So unless they figure away to make mages kill them for them or find magical weapons they can't kill them.
For this I’m gonna have a orc head cannon that once the vortex was undone, Gork and Mork resurrect Grimgor as the Avatar of Gork and Incarnate of Beasts to fight the new enemy and drop Dreadnoughts like Guardsmen
My mind thinking "Oh the enemies are at one spot at the planet... Literally the perfect time for a retreat and orbital bombardment Destroys most the enemies wile leaving the planet mostly unharmed."
Oh and the lizardmen have a literal infinite supply of troops (the spawning pools spew troops about as fast as they are killed and the new troops instinctively know how to fight). So unless the marines can locate and destroy the spawning pools it doesn't matter if it takes 1,000 saurus to kill a marine the lizards still win
Dude, you done grimgor dirty. His magical bullshit armour would easily protect him from bolter shells, and his axe could definitely bite through ceremite.
Or many other things, like eagles and dragons being able to get into melee with Thunderhawks which are as fast as jet fighters? Lolwut? They would be hit by rockets at a distance which none of them, even dragons, could tank. The fantasy world getting air superiority was an absolute laugh, and thats what would fuck them because realistically the SM would have total air superiority and would be bombing the shit out out of everything, alongside tactical orbital strikes, and rocket artillery. They would be slaughtered. But thats fine, Majorkill isnt a historian or a veteran or something, this was a casual effort done for fun, not something intended to be super serious I dont think.
@@toepringles1388 carpet bombing and tactical aren't the same. After scouting the empire for instance, and keeping in mind the goal to conquer it, not burn it down, one could very well be inclined to nuke Nuln, for instance, given it's importance as a military industry center. Magic users could very well counter those bombings tho. It could result in a stalemate in a lot of areas, given it's fiction, and both universes being so over the top, you can get a "gotcha" card for about every move either "faction" performs. If we go to lore, there's nothing stopping Lords Kroak and Mazdamundi from simply deleting half the fleet from existence with a brainfart anyway, even before the marines finish stabilising their orbit around the planet. Trying to play around with this tought experiment requires to skip and cripple some aspects of that world.
He specifically said they arent allowed to do that. If they are allowed to do that theres no battle, we just sit and wait for them to win because only the skaven have space capabilities and thats not nearly enough. Even if its only 'tactical' bombing and magic can counter it, the space marines could just focus fire on enemy magic users one by one until they won. It'd be lame as hell.
It's interesting that you allowed the Ultramarines to disembark on the planet in your simulation. The Slann have the power to simply crush their battle barge in orbit or send it into the sun :D
Depends on the legion. The Wolves, either legion of Angels, the Ksons and a few others would unleash the absolute rape-train on this minor planet. Many other legions would however get absolutely wrecked.
Legit, other than because you like those legions, why? What makes those legions better than the Ultrasmurfs? I can see the 1k sons doing it because they’re all psykers, but I can’t see the dark angels do any better
@@emixam6947 Any legion would do it. The capabilities of the ultramarines were gutted for this. No orbital support, no war engines, missiles? no las cannons, plasma weapons, teleportarium, grand strategy, relic weapons, and the one period in all of 40k lore where there are no psykers? The Council of Nikea was only a couple of years before the Horus Heresy. It was a part of the Heresy, deliberately disarming the imperium of their ability to fight daemons. Even then, every legion had ways to battle psykers, simply because they knew there were psykers, that psykers would come against them, and that they would therefore need to have ways to defeat psykers.
I love this! So well thought out dude. It’s good that you set clear rules and balances at the beginning too. Realistically if the emperium had real reason to view all life on the planet on fantasy an actual threat, they would send several super spicy legions. That’s why the limitations for balance seem so well thought out to me. You really gave the world of Fantasy a chance to show prowess with metal and magic. Side bit, just wondering what other people think. I think 40k created insanely powerful physical specimens and technologies that most sci-fi universes would have a hard time keeping up with, and there is absolutely tons of notable people of character in the franchise. Some of the people in Fantasy though, they are just really well planed age old archetypes that are just RICH in character and even noble values. Strategy aside, I think the minds of the leaders in fantasy would often out maneuver the emperors leaders when it comes to pure will power.
I have some very hefty different disagreements here. First off the Ultramarines do have the ultramar auxiliary forces essentially IGE troops that can be used to Garrison large swaths of conquered territories freeing up Ultramarines for rapid redeployment. Secondly it takes weeks if not months for fantasy armies to re-deploy and move to different areas while it takes the Ultramarines merely a matter of hours. So the forces that purge the green skins would be able to wrap things up fairly quickly and then go help out other areas. In particular hunting down the mages in the Empire and the Emperor of the Empire to force their capitulation. Without Karl the Empire is 100% out of the fight. Secondly any attempt Malakath makes to reach Ulthon is going to need to sneak past ultra marine air patrols, Auxiliary defenses, and the High elves that are allowed to live. And possibly papa smurf himself. The Badlands can be dismissed completely they fight stronger orcs all the damn time and that was orcs do not get back up again for another round. The kingdom of the dead would be subject to orbital bombardment. There’s nothing to conquer there besides bone and dust no life of any kind can grow there so there is no reason to preserve it. Really the only issue is Nagash and the lizardmen. And Nagash only if papa smurf ignores warnings of a super powerful evil Wizard (considering the trouble they went through with normal wizards Papa smurf may attend to that matter personaly) So with the Badlands, Empire, Bretonia, Norsca ,Eastern lands and both Elf nations locked down . The ultramarines can dig in and bring the conquered people under control while fighting against Nagash defensively. And not poking Lustria again. The lizardmen outside of rituals will have a hard time projecting power to where the Ultramarines are and will be forced to fight them on their terms. Nagash would bring Papa smurf himself to battle with most of the ultramarine forces brought in. Drowning him in over 100,000 space marines and destroying him quickly and concisely. After that the Ultramarines can deploy the entirety of their fighting power directly into Lustrea using drop pod assaults to avoid the air defenses and setting up proper decapitating blows on the Slan. You really underestimate the rapid response that the Ultramarines can have to any real situation any ultramarine on the planet can go from one side of the planet to the other in at most a few days while it will take weeks and months for a person from one side of the empire to get to the other. By the time the Dawi emerge from the mountains most of the world would have been conquered
i need the answer to the question is a foregone conclusion. the imperium makes it their prerogative to conquer worlds. they have made millions of worlds bend the knee. it's more of a quesiton of HOW would they do it and the video does a great job of explaining that.
With the lore of Total War: Warhammer 3's Cathay, I feel like everything goes out the window. The Dragon Emperor and his consort are literal Gods who predate even the Old Ones. If everything was going south, they'd likely actually hop into play and that would completely change the tide of battle.
Answer is Yes. SM Legion has too much mobility, intel and simple power to face defeat. Only problem is magick. So you just have a planet with psyckers having big role in war. Which could be hard, but still absolutely accomplishable misson. Skave would be easily detected besides those who hide with magick.
So they cant orbital strike to soften up cities? that was a pretty common great crusade tactic. Also I cant see a situation where a luminark or a griffon would take down a thunderhark. They take on supersonic fighters and futuristic anti air fire, Luminarks fire slow moving blasts that would be dodged no problem and im not sure if griffons can fly nearly that fast before heavy bolter fire tore them to shreds. Dragon might do something before it was hit with the thunderhawk and stormbirds anti tank weaponry. Alot of this also assumes the space marines are really really dumb. Like they would totally know where the skaven and wood elves were, they already deal with psyker hiding stuff all the time. The navigators could probably deal with that. The biggest problems the space marines would have woudnt come from big monsters it would more likely be the undead causing them the biggest hassle since they could do basically what nurgle does and keep on throwing wave after wave of skeletons at the space marines to bog them down before magic was brought to bear. The Lizardman thing is pretty spot on though until the marines started airstrikes and terminator advances
From my limited understanding of both universes, the ultramarines should win. The fantasy universe is just horribly separated. The skaven would likely not join with the other races, chaos was explicitly not considered, and the ultramarines were not aloud to fully make use of their armaments (carpet bombing and exterminatus). But that’s just my opinion, and I don’t make money off of this stuff 👍
I mean an entire chapter (plus presumably their complement of millions of army troops and hundreds of thousands of solar auxilias which collectively probably outnumber the entire population of the empire if not the skaven by themselves) is kinda overkill With that said; fantasy got gods that could weight in certainly.. but it’d he an uncertain fight as a legion would come with a primarch and librarians Any conventional fantasy army would be absolutely crushed tho and then it’d be up to the gods/opest fantasy heroes to fight against a primarch and named space marines
Hmm, makes you wonder how the other legions would fair at their own actual prime. Like for example, the Thousand Sons would be stronger going pre-council obviously, cause their psychic powers are part of what made their battle doctrine so damn dangerous.
I want to see a Skaven warlord with scavenged Space Marine armor. I love the idea of Space Marines sowing their defeat by committing mass genocide on a planet ironically creating a massive fresh corpse army for necromancers, while still melee, the entirety of the dead would be on one army.
This line from doctor who sums up the undead factions perfectly: "The more they kill, the more they recruit" Imagine an undead spacemarine. That's absolutely terrifying
Space marine: Sir, doesn't this world just seem a little....familiar? Captain: Nonsense! Now lets go fight a dying race of magically intune beings who are at constant odds against their sadomasochistic brethren who split off from them after a massive catastrophe.
@@cegesh1459 head one though... But ecclesiarchy doesn’t allow any minor gods besides Emperor( if they are not representations of Emperor) so still a problem.
An endless swarm of vermin that threatens to consume everyone, only this time around instead of being one singular mind, they're all extremly selfish and every one of them sees themselves as the greatest being to have ever existed?
@@SilentHotdog28 The only ones that have any chance are the special named characters, like Morghur, Taurox or one of the more fucky ones that are insane with Chaos power.
It makes sense though, all of the strong points of the beastmen that makes them a threat to the other fantasy races becomes meaningless in the face of Ultra Marine armour.
@@jiayojames idk man. Cygors, minotaurs, jabberslythe, Ghorgons, doombulls, the wargor. I think they could kill some space marines. Overall I don’t see it going well for them in the end but I think beastmen fair better than they’re given credit.
Ultras would probably assimilate the human kingdoms, I don't think Girlyman would all of a sudden just attack a bunch of humans without trying to convince them to join the Imperium.
Also think he wouldnt split his forces so much. Why would he? It takes time to march armies about the place where as he can just his anywhere, he could concentrate on one or two races and just move on
Sure, it works on metal armor, yet 30k armor isn't made out of metal. The tech is far superior. IMHO Ultramarines would convince most human factions through diplomacy and the rest of the factions would not stand a chance, simply by the ranged firepower. None of the fortifications, bar magical ones even have any impact on lascannons or rockets. Sure magic is the best bet they have. Yet it only takes a few artillery and or snipers to take car of these magic users. Don't forget that the winds of magic don't allow for endless spamming of spells. It's not like in 40k where psychers tap into the powers of the warp.
@@JorisVDC wrong space marine armor is still made of metal a super rare and strong metal but still metal Balthazar gelt alone is powerful enough could take out a crap ton of space marines before they know what's happening. I'm not saying it would be enough to win but it would cause heavy damage
Capturing Space Merine scouts and experimenting on them, along with being keen on using the Warp would probably end in Scaven ground marines. Now, shit would surely hit the fain there.
I think Guilliman would reach out to the human nations of the world, and offer them the planet in exchange for informing them of and joining the Imperium. The Empire would likely even see The Emperor as a form of Sigmar. With all the human nations on the same side as the Ultramarines, this would go a lot more in their favor.
Honestly, everything could have been solved with a good 'ol planetary bonfire. Wood Elves? set their forests on fire. Orks? Set 'em all on fire. High elves? Hug 'em. Dark elves? Burn 'em. Everything is solved by fire.
They don't even have to 24/7 carpet bombing, just use strategical orbital strikes, from the god knows how many barges you need to transfer the full force of a 250.000 astartes.
Sigmar comes down and faces guillaman himself. Both discover that sigmar was one of the lost children of the emperor, and being a REALLY powerful psyker to boot
@@Ultr4l0fthen completely dropped because it’s retarded. Do you know why Sigmar’s symbol is the Twin-tailed Comet? Because a twin-tailed comet fell off the sky WHEN HE WAS BORN, to a mother that died shortly after. So no Sigmar isn’t a Primarch, would beat the sh*t out of one though.
I am not convinced at the end: it suppose all fantasy factions would ally with one another to fight off the Smurfs. That would be hard by default, even more if the legion manouvers to force mortal enemies close to each other. Also: exterminatus may be off, but orbital razing Lustria is still a go.
@@Voodoo3397 I feel like the overwhelming force of the marines would force them together to start with, in end times we even saw Nagash call all the leaders into a meeting, but in that final battle as soon as it looked like they were going to win, all the old world forces would jockey for advantage and either cough up the win, or start the end times on the spot.
Idk through history we see time where enemies become temporary allies to take down a bigger evil or common enemy. It's not out of the realm of reason that the leaders of the fantacy world would recognize the threat to the world as a whole.
If you can achieve air/orbital supremacy in the warhammer universe you've already won, and i don't think roboute out of all the primarchs would be so stubborn to keep the initial invasion plan going for that long
if they can get their furry little hands on a spacecraft and don't immediately crash it into soemthing just for fun, why not? The question is: would the Horned Rat rise to power in 40k as it did in Fantasy?
@@torum6448 morkar was a kid when sigmar was ruling for a couple of years already, the ages do not really add up. As a matter of fact he only became everchosen because sigmar killed his family in a revenge raid because norsca attacked the empire.
Although I enjoyed the scenario, I do think that the Ultramarines were a bad choice for a legion, because their strength is the most difficult to simulate, which is superior strategy, tactics, logistics and longterm thinking. The Space Marine approach shown here would be more fitting for World Eaters or Death Guard, who just try to brute force through it.
Not the most difficult to simulate, the most difficult for *majorkill* to simulate. This is definitely a world eaters type attack strategy, and certainly the world eaters would be better at it than the ultramarines
Jeah, they wuld probaly try to aly with the order tide, but since its an all out battle, and the World knows of the Marines, there aint that mutch strategien to do
@@theonesithtorulethemall actually, considering the strengths of the space marines are their superior arms and armor allowing them to wipe out most non-undead or unaugment foot soldiers easily and their high mobility, strategy would play a major part in the outcome. I think it's just majorkill being slightly ADHD and too lazy to come up with an even halfway reasonable strategy that led to the downfall of the marines. he had them spread out over the entire planet, including a continent that was supposedly uninhabited and therefore of no use to the marines, fighting every enemy at once.im not even arguing about the effectiveness of the marines or their tech in combat, or even many of the notions supposed in the video, just a simple part of any army that was ignored.
"Tell me what bothers you brother." "I saw a man in red armor kill several of my brothers. They were unable to touch him with their blades and when he finally fell, he only laughed." "That... Doesn't seem so bad." A few minutes later, he simply stood up and killed another. He drank his blood and fled the battle. "
@@definitelynotaza7643 Vlad Von Carstein. Not my favorite of the bloodsuckers, but boss as fuck. One of two vampires that can't be beaten in a fair... "Fair", fight.
@@deni140492deni I would Dearly love to see this matchup play out. I think that all of the BIG players, would be having a field day. Conrad, Gotrek, Felix...Oh my dear lord... Imagine a Librarian meeting a Grey Seer!!!
Plot Twist: comes face to face with Sigmar and realises that it's his father, The Emperor. The marines immeidately down bolters and beg for forgiveness from the God-Emperor of mankind.
Warhammer Fantasy also has ethereal entities. Giles reborn leading the Lost Sons of Bretonnia, as well as Dwarf ancestor spirits would be all but untouchable, barring an Ultramarine secretly still holding on to pre-indoctrination faith.
Not to mention Nagash leading grand hosts of hexwraiths, banshees, spirit hosts, cairn wraiths etc etc which are also all ethereal and magical by nature.
That never would have happened, the scholars would have detected his plans for the entire planet and Karl would have either made the call for retreat before he landed or made a pre-emptive strike.
Something I’m really surprised wasn’t covered - the vampire counts and vampire coast could raise the dead ultra marines, making them fight their own. So Warhammer Fantasy does have a way to snowball the win if they can get a few lucky kills early and get the resurrections off.
Maybe? You have to remember that the raised dead do not have the same skillet or power that they had when they were alive. They are pretty much just reanimated corpses being puppetered on strings of magic, unless of course, they became vampires. The undead's skill goes only as far as how well the Necromancer's knowledge of how that weapon works. Like, if you want your undead Space Marine to fire a bolter, that necromancer needs to know how to fire a bolter.
Also now thinking about this. Arkhan, Vlad, Neferata, and Luther Harkon would all have the advantage because they can all respawn. If Neferata can make the vampire elixir she can probably reverse engineer a bolter so she could give her armies massive amounts of bolters or maybe even plasma guns
@@kamerionsmith4551 Yeh. Sly Marbo is kind of badass, for a human. Maybe he could beat Karl "catch these hands" Franz. Oxylotl is Kaldor Draigo, except better, since he doesn't just survive The Warp, he makes The Warp have a cosmic panic attack and try to puke him out. Oxylotl is the reason Khorne is always so angry, there's a blow dart right where the sun don't shine every time he tries to sit on the Skull Throne. Oxylotl is the reason "venom" is conspicuously absent from Nurgle's profile, Nurgle won't risk pissing Oxylotl off. Oxylotl is the reason Tzeentch never does anything despite being able to see the future, he spends all of his future sight trying to figure out where Oxylotl is, right now, so he can catch a few Z's. Oxylotl is the reason Slaanesh has an association with speed; no amount of masochism makes a daemon want to stand still anywhere near that sneaky bastard. Oxylotl is the reason Malal won't come out to play anymore. And Oxylotl is the one who originally stole Abaddon's arms, and accidentally cursed his people to never get new models. The Imperium thinks The Emperor shines like a lighthouse to navigate through The Warp, the truth is he's a bat symbol for Oxylotl.
@Ian Yoder i dont think he was referencing the animal salamanders in fantasy theres a legion of spacemarines called the salamanders who specialize in fire weapons and high quality weapons
No mention of the massive fleet that would have to be in orbit to deliver so many space Marines. I know you said no carpet bombing, but there would definitely be a lot of tactical bombardment, especially if the enemy has strong points that can't be approached by air, or are unfeasible to approach by ground.
I am imagining Gelt turning Ultramarines into solid gold statues. Emperor would be proud. Hek, by the end of the battle there might be so much gold, Emperor might just summon himself to appropriate it.
I can just imagine an incredibly pissed of guilliman stomping towards his astropaths yelling. I want Curse, Angron and Magnus here as fast as they can be. And while you are at it. Give the Imperial fists and the blood angels a call as well. This is now personal
Honestly? Probably doesn't even need more space marines. Some sisters of silence and a few Titans would do nicely. Sisters to shut down, or at least weaken the sorcery bullshit, and Titans to blast the hell out of any epic monsters and walk through the zombie horde with no damage. Not that zombies are really effecting against astartes in the first place, due to Ceramite, and bolters/flamers/ any space marine melee weapon being able to completely destroy a human body and leave nothing left to reanimate pretty easily, but Titans can't be damaged by zombies in any circumstances. And have the firepower to kill thousands of them at once. Get a sister of silence or three close enough to even a god-tier sorcerer to weaken their defenses and then when they're vulnerable shoot them with Warlord, or Imperator sized guns? That would be enough to vaporize primarchs, greater demons, and I'd argue seriously wound Sigmar himself if not kill him outright
@@agentchaos9332 yeah i mean what are we talking in fantasy land that can take out a titan. Lord Kroak maybe? Nagash definitely. A swarm of dragons? A warpbomb?
Problem is there are so many types of magics. The Marines are used to only warp magic, and not the many that are throughout the Fantasy setting. Not to mention the marines own librarians that rely on the warp would find their powers to be greatly weakened thanks to the vortex. Also, they'd probably just be polymorphed to save time.
Magnus, pre and post heresy, would probably love it in fantasy, there's so much for him to research and understand because he would know nothing about anything there.
@@brutalastartes Yes because the Empire of Man would hide the truth from its people for good reason so that they won't panic in mass hysteria but Space Marines are not fooled compared to the mortals.
@@rexlumontad5644 true for the most part , but space marines ca be fooled , otherwise they wouldn't fall to chaos and they wouldn't end up being declared renegades like the soul drinkers for example
@@brutalastartes Yes I know but the moment Skaven attacks them and end up being seen, that's where the Space Marines know something is up and when the mortals of the Empire refuses to talk (they can be stubborn and foolish), they will find the Skaven and start purging them such as their Under-Altdorf as an example. Of course Skaven will fight back and won't make it easy for the Space Marines.
This should be a series, which space marine legion could do it? Honestly if we talking full capacity- I’d be throwing in the thousand sons and magnus- that would be an insane clash. Fantasy Vs Magnus and his legion.
Tbh. I’d love to see ether the Dark angels or the blood angels. I mean just think about the Lion himself just hacking and slashing through eldar left and right. It would be glorious.
@@austindemuynck9460 idk man I think my boy magnus and his legion could just melt away the minds of the elves and really just any faction they come across. That and we talking with the Tzeentch Buff they get. Then they’re just unstoppable.
Kroak could go brrrrrr and make any of the strongest warriors like the Lion or Magnus explode with his ultimate meme lord powers. His magic stonks would go way up.
@@TheFozia52 that does bring the question wether the Tzeentch from fantasy and 40k are different or the same. That and if they were different which would be stronger?
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This took me longer to make than I would like to admit and I changed my mind about the outcome at least 3 times after going full Neckbeard research specs
It's pre much the Slann + Skaven vs the legion if we are honest
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Wait if they could at least push back the space marines, couldn’t, well every race steal and use the technology of the dead space marines? Just imagine space dinosaurs
The answer is No because Games workshop would some how turn a battle for the warhammer fantasy world into 10,000 years of ceaseless war that ultimately ends with the world exploding and everyone dying. FUCK YOU END TIMES!!!
Would it be possible for us to get a video like this with all the Ultramarine successor chapters instead of the pre heresy legion?
While everyone is arguing over Warhammer 40k vs other scifi settings, Majorkill is debating over Warhammer vs Warhammer
Because there is no greater challenge.
That’s because warhammer vs other sci-fi is dumb but warhammer 40k vis fantasy is a actually interesting and wonderful start ww3 in the comments
@@hurb3222 yeah lol. But I mean just imagine Sanguinius battling dragons in the air and slaughtering them left and right like a hot knife through butter. It would be a spectacle to see
I was the like to give u 69, hope ur happy
the most creative vid ever. how about warhammer 40k vs other fantasy settings?
In another situation, I can imagine Karls Franz bending the knee and becoming planetary governor, while sigmar being identified with Big E and having its cult integrated to the Eclesiarchy.
Dwarfs, Ogres giants are written of as abhumans
Elfs are purged because Eldar
Lizard an are purged after insanely costly campaign because slann
Unded, beastman, skaven, norsca etc.. Are purged because chaos
Orks aren't purged because you can't get rid of them but they are subdued
Tomb lords are quarantined because you can't really destroy them
Imagine guard regiments from this planet tho. Rough riders on gryphons Pegasus and demigryphs
Infantry clad in dwwrven Armour making them in Reade oh resistant
Slayer units eating much of fire on the Frontline because of their sheer resistance
Ogres being used as ogryns
Giants being used on spaceships to carry shells and load guns
Is it just me or is Warhammer fantasy the story of Lizardmen vs Skaven and everyone else is just along for the ride? Those two factions make the others look like jokes
Tbh ya sometimes chaos actual does something but ya.
True, even in the End Times the Lizardmen and Skaven had a bigger impact than any ither faction.
That goes in the book! *Dawi grumbling intensifies*
Your not wrong
They are the only two completely United factions. On top of that they have insane numbers. Lizard men are direct creations of the op old ones and perfectly crafted for combat, and the skaven are extremely survivable and versatile and have insane mobility.
The flaw with this is that I don’t think they would attack most areas simultaneously I believe they would attack the empire first and pacify that area first striking out slowly allowing them to build fortification and build trust with the locals.
The problem with this approach is it lets the skaven prepare way more too and so long as they keep hidden the skaven will have all the intel still.
Also the space marine legions used stormbirds, not thunderhawks.
@@DarkZedCannon You are implying that the skaven can resist detection of the space marines because they're skaven? Who don't have to deal with modern technology as they hold the most technological position amongst the fantasy races. They've never had the shoe on the other foot by a colossal margin
the problem with your strategy is that it assumes that space marine chapter would think much of this world, realistically the first parties sent would be masscred along there transports because they were expecting no resistance until they hit the ground, then they have no guarantee of actually doing well when the they land, sure bolters will prove effective in a fire fight, but when guerilla tactics are being used by people in there native locations with magic, they have the advantage, not to mention characters like grombrindal that are pretty much immortal killing machines, keep in mind that once the first wave gets masscred they then would go back to the drawing board, which would be when the marine kills grow to a staggering degree, however the marines simply would be worn down by the planet's numerous defenders, hell hellstorm rocket batteries have more power in a rocket then a bolter would, so much of the artillery would actually be effective on them, keep in mind that every faction makes use of super heavy artillery in at least select cities that would rip apart space marines like butter, ultimately the space marines would eventually take those cities, however they would lose thousands upon thousands, with there victory being hollow at best when things like me the chaos moon comes out at the space marines face the deadliest night of the year at a time where they see the other races are digging in, which would mean go on the offensive to any tactician, while plot armor would make the gulliman say that something must be happening to cause this, ultimately space marines would still suffer heavy casualties from positions they thought safe being overrun, which would then make there momentum be lost overnight, they lose there advantage as the fantasy world is gaining them, getting access to bolters, grenades, and even armor, shields and weapons made from downed vehicles, causing the space marines to lose more and more, with grimgore normally not being outside sitting around for someone to attack him, him and his body guard of elite black orcs would all be decked out in that powerful gear, causing the massive whaaagggg he would call up in responce to an attack of this scale to be the most powerful seen in the warhammer world, all while elves wittle there numbers elsewhere, the empire takes it's toll in taking, the dwarfs holding firm in there mountains, with powerful warmachines and runic magic protecting them, the lizardmen delivering some of the heaviest damage to the space marine numbers, skaven would kill marines while they patrol and even launch assaults from below, as even space marines aren't immune to the diseases they bring, chaos champions like kholek would be able to take on numerous marines in open battle, while the tomb kings with there constructs and limitless hordes would simply enter a battle of attrition with the marines, something that goes badly for people with a finite number of soldiers
@Anupam Datta Sarkar ultra marines are the worst because plot armor is the only thing they have going for them besides getting the dumbest colouration, only way they could be a worse legion overall is if games workshop stopped only caring about space marines
Very cool video :)
I'm just curious about your thoughts on the legion not having access to Psyker. Sure the council of Nikea "prevent" legions from using them but that hasn't remove the presence of psykers within legions (they were just not allowed to use powers, as you can read in some horus heresy books about blood angels). Which mean that within the legions, lot of dormant psyker would have been used to block big spells.
Also, you talk about invading using thunderhawks and drop pod but you forgot the teleportarium (it existed at that time right ?), which would change the tide as full squad of termies could appear in front of slanns or magicians to wipe them down even before they can cast a single spell.
......Wouldn't a vampire count just wind of death the astartes while bogging them down with infinite free skelly boys?
And then resurrect said astartes
Vlad does not even need to use magic, he will just slay few marines, get turned to ash and repeat.
@@dimakapeev3156 and then resurrect them immediately after
I guess no one watches legendoftotalwar.
@@DamnDaimen I sometimes do regardless I'm not sure what you mean by that
I’m just imagining the Skaven bolting various bits of Space Marine armour on Stormfiends and Rat Ogres, mutating captured marines and turning them into extremely powerful monsters, and my boy, Queek Headtaker, gouging marines and taking their heads.
@Crooked Warden Dwarf Gouger can penetrate anything, it only ever hasn’t penetrated Belegar’s shield and that’s because it’s an extremely magical item, and Gorfang’s armour couldn’t stand up to Dwarf Gouger, and it penetrated it like anything else, but it was just so thick that it just couldn’t get far enough in to do real damage.
So I think Queek definitely has the capability to kill a Space Marine whose armour is extremely strong but otherwise secular, besides he’s also fast as hell and Queek’s heads are able and do tell him things he shouldn’t know, so Queek would know how somewhat to kill a Space Marine. Queek’s killed monsters too including Manticores and Wyverns, I think they have the capability to kill a Space Marine
I definitely think Stormfiends and Rat Ogres can wear space marine armour, besides if it can’t then that’s what Skaven science is for.
@Crooked Warden it’s not a sword, it’s a Maul, which he duel wields with a sword, though with how Queek uses it it’s more like a War pick with a hammer at the back. I imagine Queek could kill a single Space Marine, he’s not nearly as strong or tough as one, and if the Space Marine managed to grab Queek, unless he does something quick with Dwarf Gouger, he’s fucked.
Queek would definitely sorta be a glass cannon, but he’s definitely killed bigger and stronger things, or at least on par in terms of strength and size, like Orc Warbosses, Ogres, Manticores, Wyverns, moreover he doesn’t need to worry about the Space Marine’s armour during this too, because his weapon makes pretty much all armour worthless.
Queek would get melted by an astartes lmao.
Only things physically strong enough to pose a threat to an armored marine are a doombull, a legendary black orc like grimgor or an ancient kroxigors.
And most of these guys would probably just autismo charge a space Marine and get gunned down.
Taurox would probably body quite a few marine however cause being a khorne follower means you press attack and kill stuff also his living bronze skin.
Gor-rok/nakai SHOULD be in the same tier especially if they have slann enchanted weapons which well the slann can probably deflect bolters easily considering that they dissolved a moon a max power.
Krog-gar is definitely strong enough to kill even named space Marines and dreadnoughts.
Like this guy lost his city walked through lands which were basically chaos, killed SEVERAL greater demons. Shattered a very potent skaven weapon which one shot melted his carnosaur who was also a legendary beast. And was the only saurus to walk off the planet.
Ungrim will die but take a few just because angry midget lol.
Gotrek probably krog gar levels if not greater Of space Marine spanking.
Queek does not measure up to these.
He will get gunned down like the filthy warp addicted degenerate rat he is.
@@loowick4074 I’m saying he has the capability to kill a Space Marine, due to Dwarf Gouger, that’s what I was trying to communicate. His swiftness and agility has been compared to Elven Dancers, and Dwarf Gouger can pierce any armour apart from literally one shield. So Queek has the capability to kill a Space Marine in my opinion. Is it likely? Maybe not, but he could do it.
So, let's say Queek is able to pierce power armor with his pick. What then? Marines still have nearly instantly-clotting blood, redundant organs, and are much harder to kill than just a regular human scaled up. Piercing the armor often times isn't enough, you could stab a naked marine straight through the torso with a spear and he would simply pull it out like nothing happened. Unless Dwarf Gouger has some special poison or killing enchantment it won't be enough on its own.
Imagine ikit claw getting his hands on some of the 40k tech, I say he would probably blow up the entire planet
Idea: One custodes or librarian (or 10 if that's not enough) is stuck in the star wars galaxy. Can he/they create a new everlasting empire?
Edit: Turn the number of the custodes up to the entire custodes on the emperor's palace plus several chapters of space marines (they can also recruit people into their ranks to create guardsmen lite). If still not enough, put in a primarch. If still not enough to create an empire, sprinkle some more astartes chapters or guardsmen. If still not enough, then idk, this thread is pretty much dead lmao.
no
no because they would not have the numbers to man a dreadnought class star fighter and the force is similar to warp powers in a fight a custodes can't relay do anything if they are being chocked to death or crushed by the force
@@jackstewart2258 But if we add a few sister of silence?
@@supe4701 wouldn't matter as the force is slightly different from the warp and the sisters of silence main attribute would be ineffective
Just send in 1 torpedo filled with orks and come back later to destroy all the small ork kingdoms.
10:30, imagining that air battle it would be uber epic
Wonder how it would go if Guilliman reached out to Franz
Faith, steel and gunpowder. While sigmar exists there could be no peace between both empires
@@deni140492deni I mean the ecclesiarchy allows pretty wild interpretations of the Emperor to be worshipped. Sigmar isn't that far off.
@@spencegame Ah but this is the Crusade, Religion is forbidden by the Emperor's order.
@@Sorain1 good point
@@spencegame unless sigmar says "yes, I'm a fragment of the psyche of the emperor" I can't see sigmar being a god and coexisting with big E. And I think that in terms of power, sigmar is on par with fighting primarchs like vulkan and Leman
What's the view on etherial units like wraiths, banshees etc? They need magic or magical weapons to be killed. So unless they figure away to make mages kill them for them or find magical weapons they can't kill them.
Cylostra Direfin go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
For this I’m gonna have a orc head cannon that once the vortex was undone, Gork and Mork resurrect Grimgor as the Avatar of Gork and Incarnate of Beasts to fight the new enemy and drop Dreadnoughts like Guardsmen
Lore of metal, need I say more.
Lore of Metal?
Sounds like a job for the SUPREME PATRIARCH!
My mind thinking
"Oh the enemies are at one spot at the planet...
Literally the perfect time for a retreat and orbital bombardment
Destroys most the enemies wile leaving the planet mostly unharmed."
Oh and the lizardmen have a literal infinite supply of troops (the spawning pools spew troops about as fast as they are killed and the new troops instinctively know how to fight). So unless the marines can locate and destroy the spawning pools it doesn't matter if it takes 1,000 saurus to kill a marine the lizards still win
Dude, you done grimgor dirty. His magical bullshit armour would easily protect him from bolter shells, and his axe could definitely bite through ceremite.
The only thing I noticed was you didn’t take tactical orbital bombardment into account
Or many other things, like eagles and dragons being able to get into melee with Thunderhawks which are as fast as jet fighters? Lolwut? They would be hit by rockets at a distance which none of them, even dragons, could tank.
The fantasy world getting air superiority was an absolute laugh, and thats what would fuck them because realistically the SM would have total air superiority and would be bombing the shit out out of everything, alongside tactical orbital strikes, and rocket artillery. They would be slaughtered.
But thats fine, Majorkill isnt a historian or a veteran or something, this was a casual effort done for fun, not something intended to be super serious I dont think.
He said no carpet bombing
@@toepringles1388 carpet bombing and tactical aren't the same. After scouting the empire for instance, and keeping in mind the goal to conquer it, not burn it down, one could very well be inclined to nuke Nuln, for instance, given it's importance as a military industry center. Magic users could very well counter those bombings tho. It could result in a stalemate in a lot of areas, given it's fiction, and both universes being so over the top, you can get a "gotcha" card for about every move either "faction" performs. If we go to lore, there's nothing stopping Lords Kroak and Mazdamundi from simply deleting half the fleet from existence with a brainfart anyway, even before the marines finish stabilising their orbit around the planet. Trying to play around with this tought experiment requires to skip and cripple some aspects of that world.
He specifically said they arent allowed to do that.
If they are allowed to do that theres no battle, we just sit and wait for them to win because only the skaven have space capabilities and thats not nearly enough.
Even if its only 'tactical' bombing and magic can counter it, the space marines could just focus fire on enemy magic users one by one until they won. It'd be lame as hell.
@@jaydenshepard7928 false
I think the Empire would swear fealty to the Marines / the Imperium. They would probably see those giant warriors as heavenly beings sent by Sigmar.
It's interesting that you allowed the Ultramarines to disembark on the planet in your simulation. The Slann have the power to simply crush their battle barge in orbit or send it into the sun :D
Imagine a Skaven Moulder Stormfiend with Astarte geneseed!
Oh hell no
@@colinmajors4819 Oh Hell Pit YES-YES!!!
Depends on the legion. The Wolves, either legion of Angels, the Ksons and a few others would unleash the absolute rape-train on this minor planet.
Many other legions would however get absolutely wrecked.
Blood Ravens (if they were legion size) would mind rape with the amount of Psykers they have haha.
Blood Angels would dominate.
Legit, other than because you like those legions, why? What makes those legions better than the Ultrasmurfs? I can see the 1k sons doing it because they’re all psykers, but I can’t see the dark angels do any better
@@emixam6947 Any legion would do it. The capabilities of the ultramarines were gutted for this. No orbital support, no war engines, missiles? no las cannons, plasma weapons, teleportarium, grand strategy, relic weapons, and the one period in all of 40k lore where there are no psykers? The Council of Nikea was only a couple of years before the Horus Heresy. It was a part of the Heresy, deliberately disarming the imperium of their ability to fight daemons. Even then, every legion had ways to battle psykers, simply because they knew there were psykers, that psykers would come against them, and that they would therefore need to have ways to defeat psykers.
Spacemarines x time travel x space lighting = EMPEROR reborn! Again rewriting all the codexs! XD
Ultramarines arrived at fantasy world
Skaven, nagash and lizardmen: no( deletes them out of existence)
Horus timeline : "LIFE EATER,LIFE EATER GG's YOUR TRASH, BOXED LIKE A FISH, FREER THEN A BIRD" - Horus
I really enjoyed this video more than I expected
The vampire counts would certainly have enough bodies to reanimate for sure
i would love to see this revisited now that we know how powerful grand cathay and their celestial dragons really are
You forgot about the ultramarines best weapon! Plot armour!
I love this! So well thought out dude. It’s good that you set clear rules and balances at the beginning too. Realistically if the emperium had real reason to view all life on the planet on fantasy an actual threat, they would send several super spicy legions. That’s why the limitations for balance seem so well thought out to me. You really gave the world of Fantasy a chance to show prowess with metal and magic. Side bit, just wondering what other people think. I think 40k created insanely powerful physical specimens and technologies that most sci-fi universes would have a hard time keeping up with, and there is absolutely tons of notable people of character in the franchise. Some of the people in Fantasy though, they are just really well planed age old archetypes that are just RICH in character and even noble values. Strategy aside, I think the minds of the leaders in fantasy would often out maneuver the emperors leaders when it comes to pure will power.
To take a town,send a legionary
To take a city,send a squad
To take a world,send a company
To take a culture,send a chapter
I'm getting some clear Avatar imagery from that invasion of Lustria
I have some very hefty different disagreements here. First off the Ultramarines do have the ultramar auxiliary forces essentially IGE troops that can be used to Garrison large swaths of conquered territories freeing up Ultramarines for rapid redeployment.
Secondly it takes weeks if not months for fantasy armies to re-deploy and move to different areas while it takes the Ultramarines merely a matter of hours.
So the forces that purge the green skins would be able to wrap things up fairly quickly and then go help out other areas. In particular hunting down the mages in the Empire and the Emperor of the Empire to force their capitulation. Without Karl the Empire is 100% out of the fight.
Secondly any attempt Malakath makes to reach Ulthon is going to need to sneak past ultra marine air patrols, Auxiliary defenses, and the High elves that are allowed to live. And possibly papa smurf himself.
The Badlands can be dismissed completely they fight stronger orcs all the damn time and that was orcs do not get back up again for another round.
The kingdom of the dead would be subject to orbital bombardment. There’s nothing to conquer there besides bone and dust no life of any kind can grow there so there is no reason to preserve it.
Really the only issue is Nagash and the lizardmen. And Nagash only if papa smurf ignores warnings of a super powerful evil Wizard (considering the trouble they went through with normal wizards Papa smurf may attend to that matter personaly)
So with the Badlands, Empire, Bretonia, Norsca ,Eastern lands and both Elf nations locked down . The ultramarines can dig in and bring the conquered people under control while fighting against Nagash defensively. And not poking Lustria again.
The lizardmen outside of rituals will have a hard time projecting power to where the Ultramarines are and will be forced to fight them on their terms.
Nagash would bring Papa smurf himself to battle with most of the ultramarine forces brought in. Drowning him in over 100,000 space marines and destroying him quickly and concisely.
After that the Ultramarines can deploy the entirety of their fighting power directly into Lustrea using drop pod assaults to avoid the air defenses and setting up proper decapitating blows on the Slan.
You really underestimate the rapid response that the Ultramarines can have to any real situation any ultramarine on the planet can go from one side of the planet to the other in at most a few days while it will take weeks and months for a person from one side of the empire to get to the other.
By the time the Dawi emerge from the mountains most of the world would have been conquered
i need the answer to the question is a foregone conclusion. the imperium makes it their prerogative to conquer worlds. they have made millions of worlds bend the knee. it's more of a quesiton of HOW would they do it and the video does a great job of explaining that.
With the lore of Total War: Warhammer 3's Cathay, I feel like everything goes out the window. The Dragon Emperor and his consort are literal Gods who predate even the Old Ones. If everything was going south, they'd likely actually hop into play and that would completely change the tide of battle.
You don't need a Legion, you just need Exterminatus...
well now with the new cathay dragons whose power rivals the gods its gonna be quite hard
Probably not those spellcasters pack a punch
Dude...this one was fucking awesome
o just sens a single ship of greyknights and PRESS THE BIG RED BUTTON
Answer is Yes. SM Legion has too much mobility, intel and simple power to face defeat. Only problem is magick. So you just have a planet with psyckers having big role in war. Which could be hard, but still absolutely accomplishable misson. Skave would be easily detected besides those who hide with magick.
So they cant orbital strike to soften up cities? that was a pretty common great crusade tactic.
Also I cant see a situation where a luminark or a griffon would take down a thunderhark. They take on supersonic fighters and futuristic anti air fire, Luminarks fire slow moving blasts that would be dodged no problem and im not sure if griffons can fly nearly that fast before heavy bolter fire tore them to shreds. Dragon might do something before it was hit with the thunderhawk and stormbirds anti tank weaponry. Alot of this also assumes the space marines are really really dumb. Like they would totally know where the skaven and wood elves were, they already deal with psyker hiding stuff all the time. The navigators could probably deal with that.
The biggest problems the space marines would have woudnt come from big monsters it would more likely be the undead causing them the biggest hassle since they could do basically what nurgle does and keep on throwing wave after wave of skeletons at the space marines to bog them down before magic was brought to bear.
The Lizardman thing is pretty spot on though until the marines started airstrikes and terminator advances
From my limited understanding of both universes, the ultramarines should win. The fantasy universe is just horribly separated. The skaven would likely not join with the other races, chaos was explicitly not considered, and the ultramarines were not aloud to fully make use of their armaments (carpet bombing and exterminatus). But that’s just my opinion, and I don’t make money off of this stuff 👍
I mean an entire chapter (plus presumably their complement of millions of army troops and hundreds of thousands of solar auxilias which collectively probably outnumber the entire population of the empire if not the skaven by themselves) is kinda overkill
With that said; fantasy got gods that could weight in certainly.. but it’d he an uncertain fight as a legion would come with a primarch and librarians
Any conventional fantasy army would be absolutely crushed tho and then it’d be up to the gods/opest fantasy heroes to fight against a primarch and named space marines
Gods operate in the same manner as 40k.
@TheGermanDuck this is the old world. Nagash is a dried up bone.
Wouldn’t the orks use their power of imagination and gain 40k orc levels of firepower?
No, Orks are different, bigger, stronger, tougher, smarter. They need to be in order to be a threat in the 40k universe.
Hmm, makes you wonder how the other legions would fair at their own actual prime.
Like for example, the Thousand Sons would be stronger going pre-council obviously, cause their psychic powers are part of what made their battle doctrine so damn dangerous.
Just gotta watch out for Jazzles and Ratling gunners, it's quite funny, everyone's playing Warhammer fantasy, and Skaven is playing 40k.
The Skaven would just summon the avatar of the Great Horned Rat, aka Legendoftotalwar, and he would cheese his way to victory.
Ceramite won't save you from the Wind of Death!
The Lore of the Corner Map is too strong for Ultramarines
CHEESE FOR THE CHEESE GOD
Until big blue shoves his blade up the giant rat's bumhole
Weapons team's yes-yes.
Thousand Sons show up instead of the Ultramarines, see the vortex, "Free real estate!"
Time to ascend. AND SORCERY EVERYTHING, WITH HERETICAL BULLSHIT. Hippity hoppity, that vortex is now my property.
*MAGNUS NO!!!*
@@theless-than-goodhunter7019, MAGNUS YES!
*Arimahn enters the chat*
@@Butter_Warrior99 Ironic that the Empire of Man have Magnus the Pious and then there is the red skinned cyclops with horn tits.
I want to see a Skaven warlord with scavenged Space Marine armor.
I love the idea of Space Marines sowing their defeat by committing mass genocide on a planet ironically creating a massive fresh corpse army for necromancers, while still melee, the entirety of the dead would be on one army.
This line from doctor who sums up the undead factions perfectly:
"The more they kill, the more they recruit"
Imagine an undead spacemarine. That's absolutely terrifying
Ikit Claw is already wearing Power Armor by any other name.
It depends on the type of bomb
Regardless none of the bombs leaves any bodies tbh
Nurgle smiles upon thee
What would probably happen if some Clan Skryre madrat decided to do wild experiments with Space Marine Power Armor by strapping some Warpstone in it?
Space marine: Sir, doesn't this world just seem a little....familiar?
Captain: Nonsense! Now lets go fight a dying race of magically intune beings who are at constant odds against their sadomasochistic brethren who split off from them after a massive catastrophe.
@@francescomiele6601 I always felt that if Fantasy met 40K, the Ecclesiarchy would try to convince everyone that Sigmar is the Emperor.
@@robertnelson9599 Sigmar is only one of their gods though.
@@cegesh1459 head one though... But ecclesiarchy doesn’t allow any minor gods besides Emperor( if they are not representations of Emperor) so still a problem.
@@robertnelson9599 Or that Sigmar was the Lost Primarch. 2nd or 11th
An endless swarm of vermin that threatens to consume everyone, only this time around instead of being one singular mind, they're all extremly selfish and every one of them sees themselves as the greatest being to have ever existed?
imagine skaven trying to fit parts of space marine armour on rat ogres
Imagine skaven capturing a space marine and turning him into a rat ogre O_O
Skaven are gonna get their asses kicked
They pretty much did that in the end times lol
We call that Stormfiends.
stop, i can only get so erect before the warpstone exposure turns it into a chaos spawn.
“Beastmen slaughtered by one attack.” I love how that’s all they get in this video
They're so primitive and crap that they'd be lucky to kill a single marine haha.
@@SilentHotdog28 The only ones that have any chance are the special named characters, like Morghur, Taurox or one of the more fucky ones that are insane with Chaos power.
Well... I mean Morghur would probably keep on coming back every 2 weeks and annoy another part of the legion for a bit.
It makes sense though, all of the strong points of the beastmen that makes them a threat to the other fantasy races becomes meaningless in the face of Ultra Marine armour.
@@jiayojames idk man. Cygors, minotaurs, jabberslythe, Ghorgons, doombulls, the wargor. I think they could kill some space marines. Overall I don’t see it going well for them in the end but I think beastmen fair better than they’re given credit.
Ultras would probably assimilate the human kingdoms, I don't think Girlyman would all of a sudden just attack a bunch of humans without trying to convince them to join the Imperium.
This right here is the actual scenario
Also think he wouldnt split his forces so much. Why would he? It takes time to march armies about the place where as he can just his anywhere, he could concentrate on one or two races and just move on
And i don't Think he would attack an Eldar who have Peacefully Co-exist with a Human
This is not the Ultramarine
They rather go to Diplomacy first
@@ronanchristiana.belleza9270 imagine them meeting dwarves though
@@stefvanroey8191 They’ll probably thinking “oh shit squats”
"If there are as many skven as we think there are"
There is ALWAYS more skaven than you think there is.
ALWAYS more....
NEVER LESS
i mean same for the orks but they were just kinda forgotten about in this scenario
@@cjmarion6350 orks would just loot the space marines gubbinz
@@thechadcruzaider7864 they would literally just turn into 40k orks after the first battle
I think you're underestimating how absolutely devastating the Lore of Metal would be to the Marines. The more metal you have, the more damage it does.
Sure, it works on metal armor, yet 30k armor isn't made out of metal. The tech is far superior.
IMHO Ultramarines would convince most human factions through diplomacy and the rest of the factions would not stand a chance, simply by the ranged firepower.
None of the fortifications, bar magical ones even have any impact on lascannons or rockets.
Sure magic is the best bet they have. Yet it only takes a few artillery and or snipers to take car of these magic users. Don't forget that the winds of magic don't allow for endless spamming of spells.
It's not like in 40k where psychers tap into the powers of the warp.
@@JorisVDC wrong space marine armor is still made of metal a super rare and strong metal but still metal Balthazar gelt alone is powerful enough could take out a crap ton of space marines before they know what's happening. I'm not saying it would be enough to win but it would cause heavy damage
Ceramics for armour is the space marine way
@@JorisVDC Advanced tecnological metal still metal, it would melt when someone balthazar cast a spell
@@jamesfreeman3617 isn't ceramite a ceramic?
I never realized that Warhammer fantasy’s map is just a bastardized version of earth
Everything in fantasy is a bastardized something from earth.
@@Michael-bn1oi Everything that is human, anyway.
@@robertnelson9599 Cough cough lizardmen
You never did? dang
@Ian Yoder Kurgans and Hung are based on Huns.
The Blood Ravens could, by acquiring every single fantasy artifact
Victory by "oooo shiny"
"Yoink!"
probably just steal the whole planet
BOLT DOWN EVERYTHING!
@@rexlumontad5644 dig out the whole patch of ground with it
Capturing Space Merine scouts and experimenting on them, along with being keen on using the Warp would probably end in Scaven ground marines. Now, shit would surely hit the fain there.
i just imagine Throt having a field day with the experiments he could/would do on captured marines
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Let's be honest, if it was the world eaters they'd die trying to use melee weapons against dragons and warp cannons
World Eaters are gonna enjoy the battle regardless. Those who can't melee in battle don't deserve to live like the filthy Tau.
not if they flew down and used a spaceship in melee.
which they certainly would
The World Eaters would be bloody in their fight, but would ultimate die overcommitting and would lose their Primarch in the process.
@Tonya Patrick I think the Blood Angels also got a good number of psykers which would help negate the fantasy magic advantage.
@Tonya Patrick *tactically dives entire legion's ships into and then back out of the warp to avoid any and all shenanigans thrown at them*
I think Guilliman would reach out to the human nations of the world, and offer them the planet in exchange for informing them of and joining the Imperium. The Empire would likely even see The Emperor as a form of Sigmar. With all the human nations on the same side as the Ultramarines, this would go a lot more in their favor.
Lord Kroak: "I call your legion... cringe. Here's a newly formed Sun for your going away present."
And then they blow up said sun.
Kroak: Cowabunga it is.
@@robertnelson9599 Kroak: well well well lets see you defend against a sun inside your little fort.
Lizardmen are kinda overrated
May be a challenge compared to Space Marines in who's the most overrated
@@rexlumontad5644 How so? They literally have the strongest characters in lore. If there is one overrated faction in Fantasy it's the Skaven.
"No 24/7 carpet bombing" sad salamander noises
Honestly, everything could have been solved with a good 'ol planetary bonfire. Wood Elves? set their forests on fire. Orks? Set 'em all on fire. High elves? Hug 'em. Dark elves? Burn 'em. Everything is solved by fire.
@@bigmikk63 wait, why high elf hug? Fire
@@midnighteclipsed2738 Easier to break their spine and leave them paralyzed.
They don't even have to 24/7 carpet bombing, just use strategical orbital strikes, from the god knows how many barges you need to transfer the full force of a 250.000 astartes.
@@bigmikk63 Vulkan: "ADVENTURE!"
Sigmar comes down and faces guillaman himself. Both discover that sigmar was one of the lost children of the emperor, and being a REALLY powerful psyker to boot
Headcannon af
@@ajiibshah3760was kind of implied for a short while in the early days of 40K, no?
@@Ultr4l0fthen completely dropped because it’s retarded. Do you know why Sigmar’s symbol is the Twin-tailed Comet? Because a twin-tailed comet fell off the sky WHEN HE WAS BORN, to a mother that died shortly after.
So no Sigmar isn’t a Primarch, would beat the sh*t out of one though.
"1000 combatants each."
So a regular Tuesday for Tyranid-hunting chapters.
thats what the ripper swarms are for.
or anyone thats fought a waagh!! whether 40k or fantasy
The legion: attacks
Lord Kroak and the rest of the slann: cowabunga it is
shame you didnt bring any catachan with you marines, its time to go full guerilla war up in this bitch lol.
@@conan2096 a single catachan guard could kill the entire lizardmen civilization and you cant convince me otherwise
@@cjmarion6350 then you are a fool
@@cjmarion6350 Lizarmen can genuinely make continents move and see through time so nah.
@@Sara3346 and the catachans have sly marbo
I am not convinced at the end: it suppose all fantasy factions would ally with one another to fight off the Smurfs.
That would be hard by default, even more if the legion manouvers to force mortal enemies close to each other.
Also: exterminatus may be off, but orbital razing Lustria is still a go.
Yea if end times tells us anything it’s that those guys just cant work together for the life of them
@@Voodoo3397 I feel like the overwhelming force of the marines would force them together to start with, in end times we even saw Nagash call all the leaders into a meeting, but in that final battle as soon as it looked like they were going to win, all the old world forces would jockey for advantage and either cough up the win, or start the end times on the spot.
@@Bobsyagod hahaha good ol end times. I think it would be more interesting to see if a space marine chapter could reverse the fantasy end times.
Mazdamundi could just say
shield lustria
don't forget, he was able to delete like half of the moon practically single handedly
Idk through history we see time where enemies become temporary allies to take down a bigger evil or common enemy. It's not out of the realm of reason that the leaders of the fantacy world would recognize the threat to the world as a whole.
This is revenge for people asking to make fantasy videos isn’t it?
What gave it away?
Sigmar: "Halt, villain, and face me!!"
Papa Smurf: "Oh, hey number two. Dad's been looking for you...."
Haha that would be gold.
@@SilentHotdog28 lol warp shit send him back in time
@@alamb245 Haha
Sigmar: Let's do the time warp again!!!
Papa Smurf "....High time you stopped playing on the Holo-deck with Eleven and got back to building the Imperium".
Sigmar.... wait shit... Dad's the big E.... fuuuuuuck
If you can achieve air/orbital supremacy in the warhammer universe you've already won, and i don't think roboute out of all the primarchs would be so stubborn to keep the initial invasion plan going for that long
Though you have to think the lizard men would call on their coatls and their other flyers
*mazdamundi then proceeded to delete the imperiums fleet immediately then took a nap*
Skaven Undercities. Hint hint.
@Crooked Warden I mean, having a toad which can level contients is pretty impressive
@Crooked Warden ngl, one Bolger shot to the head or heart could probably kill any strong monster or dragon, and maybe even most wh fantasy heros
This scenario would be the origins story of how the Skaven spread across the Imperium. Yes-yes.
Skaven dreadnoughts firing warpstone bolters. I'd love to see that.
Hrud are you talking about?
So the tyranids have food for a week?
40k skaven would be so much fun.
if they can get their furry little hands on a spacecraft and don't immediately crash it into soemthing just for fun, why not? The question is: would the Horned Rat rise to power in 40k as it did in Fantasy?
Majorkill: Warhammer fantasy would win
Random Admiral: Must...resist...exterminatus!!!
Thing is if the Slann were able to stop the moon destroying everything, they and ones like Nagash could probably stop a fair lot of Cyclonic Torpedos.
Deploy the death korps of krieg let see who would win vs warhammer fantasy?
@@emetanti just throw more shit at it and eventually something will work
@@lloydbrianbonifacio8206 One word:necromancy
@@liner5588 then it is a fair fight.
Ultramarines: guns downs hordes of dark elves
Dark elves: harder daddy
Ultramarines: On second thought, let's not go to Naggaroth. Tis a silly place
They could just bombard the Black Cities and leave it at that.
@@robertnelson9599 yeah but in what other place the ultramarines are going to find cheap elf prostitutes for guilliman
@@robertnelson9599 What an anticlimactic end to the Dark Elves.
@@fr-of1et ulthuan, where said cheap elf prostitutes are disease free
Robutte Gilliman and the Holy Dreadnaught
Majorkill
- "The beastmen would be slaughtered"
me - "mhm makes sense"
tarox loves wheaties :,(
@@brainfreezzzze6900 space marine have to eat something ^^
but he wants some too :C
constant monster ambushes and the atrition of no supplies because the beastmen will probaly raid supply of the ultramarines
Isn’t this kinda like the plot of Knights of Mcragge? Except instead of a handful of spacemarines, an entire legion
How is a whole legion including all of its vehicles a hand full
@@anungunrama9344 ok, i fixed it
Roboute sees Sigmar
Roboute : " Brother is that you? We thought we lost you"
would Morkar (granted we don't know much about him) be the other lost primarch, you know to keep that whole half loyal, half traitor primarch theme?
@@torum6448 morkar was a kid when sigmar was ruling for a couple of years already, the ages do not really add up. As a matter of fact he only became everchosen because sigmar killed his family in a revenge raid because norsca attacked the empire.
@@stefvanroey8191 oh, didn’t know that
@@torum6448 isn't that the evil wizard from Hero Quest?
@@noamto that’s what the first everchosen, in warhammer fantasy is named, the guy who fought sigmar
Although I enjoyed the scenario, I do think that the Ultramarines were a bad choice for a legion, because their strength is the most difficult to simulate, which is superior strategy, tactics, logistics and longterm thinking. The Space Marine approach shown here would be more fitting for World Eaters or Death Guard, who just try to brute force through it.
Not the most difficult to simulate, the most difficult for *majorkill* to simulate. This is definitely a world eaters type attack strategy, and certainly the world eaters would be better at it than the ultramarines
Jeah, they wuld probaly try to aly with the order tide, but since its an all out battle, and the World knows of the Marines, there aint that mutch strategien to do
@@theonesithtorulethemall actually, considering the strengths of the space marines are their superior arms and armor allowing them to wipe out most non-undead or unaugment foot soldiers easily and their high mobility, strategy would play a major part in the outcome. I think it's just majorkill being slightly ADHD and too lazy to come up with an even halfway reasonable strategy that led to the downfall of the marines. he had them spread out over the entire planet, including a continent that was supposedly uninhabited and therefore of no use to the marines, fighting every enemy at once.im not even arguing about the effectiveness of the marines or their tech in combat, or even many of the notions supposed in the video, just a simple part of any army that was ignored.
"Tell me what bothers you brother."
"I saw a man in red armor kill several of my brothers. They were unable to touch him with their blades and when he finally fell, he only laughed."
"That... Doesn't seem so bad."
A few minutes later, he simply stood up and killed another. He drank his blood and fled the battle. "
Papa vlad is not to be messed with
Who is that character?
@@definitelynotaza7643 Vlad Von Carstein. Not my favorite of the bloodsuckers, but boss as fuck. One of two vampires that can't be beaten in a fair... "Fair", fight.
@@deni140492deni I would Dearly love to see this matchup play out. I think that all of the BIG players, would be having a field day. Conrad, Gotrek, Felix...Oh my dear lord... Imagine a Librarian meeting a Grey Seer!!!
‘Ah, blood angels then...’
Plot Twist: comes face to face with Sigmar and realises that it's his father, The Emperor. The marines immeidately down bolters and beg for forgiveness from the God-Emperor of mankind.
Warhammer Fantasy also has ethereal entities. Giles reborn leading the Lost Sons of Bretonnia, as well as Dwarf ancestor spirits would be all but untouchable, barring an Ultramarine secretly still holding on to pre-indoctrination faith.
Not to mention Nagash leading grand hosts of hexwraiths, banshees, spirit hosts, cairn wraiths etc etc which are also all ethereal and magical by nature.
Pretty sure psykic force can hurt ghosts.
@@nothingnobody1454 That's true, but as a goodie two shoes, Guilliman won't have them, depending on the time.
@@charlesmartinez5869 I assume any chapter that currently fields librarians would probably stoop to using psykers whenever the need arises?
That never would have happened, the scholars would have detected his plans for the entire planet and Karl would have either made the call for retreat before he landed or made a pre-emptive strike.
"Today I'll go over if a space marine legion, let's say the ultra-" They can.
They can't
@@phantomwraith1984 plot armor.
Nuff said
@@doomfallmustang9904 they are only bested by jump shounen protagonists😂
@@manezijiya413 yeah, aside from someone like Saitama (from OPM) yeah there are very few things with ultrasmurf level plot armor lol
Thanks for the TL;DR
Something I’m really surprised wasn’t covered - the vampire counts and vampire coast could raise the dead ultra marines, making them fight their own. So Warhammer Fantasy does have a way to snowball the win if they can get a few lucky kills early and get the resurrections off.
Maybe? You have to remember that the raised dead do not have the same skillet or power that they had when they were alive. They are pretty much just reanimated corpses being puppetered on strings of magic, unless of course, they became vampires. The undead's skill goes only as far as how well the Necromancer's knowledge of how that weapon works. Like, if you want your undead Space Marine to fire a bolter, that necromancer needs to know how to fire a bolter.
They kill Cato Sacarius and can now kill gods in a 1v1
@@syrienangel4137 imagine a space marine vampi- no wait, blood angels
(but a proper vampire space marine would be horrifying)
@@steffanyschwartz7801 TTS Cato Sicarious
Also now thinking about this. Arkhan, Vlad, Neferata, and Luther Harkon would all have the advantage because they can all respawn. If Neferata can make the vampire elixir she can probably reverse engineer a bolter so she could give her armies massive amounts of bolters or maybe even plasma guns
Now imagine if they brought Sly Marbo with them to fight the lizardmen
Sly Marbo rode two dread saurians at the same time.
the lizardmen have oxyotl who is much more of a badass
@@kamerionsmith4551
Yeh.
Sly Marbo is kind of badass, for a human. Maybe he could beat Karl "catch these hands" Franz.
Oxylotl is Kaldor Draigo, except better, since he doesn't just survive The Warp, he makes The Warp have a cosmic panic attack and try to puke him out. Oxylotl is the reason Khorne is always so angry, there's a blow dart right where the sun don't shine every time he tries to sit on the Skull Throne. Oxylotl is the reason "venom" is conspicuously absent from Nurgle's profile, Nurgle won't risk pissing Oxylotl off. Oxylotl is the reason Tzeentch never does anything despite being able to see the future, he spends all of his future sight trying to figure out where Oxylotl is, right now, so he can catch a few Z's. Oxylotl is the reason Slaanesh has an association with speed; no amount of masochism makes a daemon want to stand still anywhere near that sneaky bastard. Oxylotl is the reason Malal won't come out to play anymore. And Oxylotl is the one who originally stole Abaddon's arms, and accidentally cursed his people to never get new models.
The Imperium thinks The Emperor shines like a lighthouse to navigate through The Warp, the truth is he's a bat symbol for Oxylotl.
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 but Sly Marbo does have "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"
Just point him in the right direction and let him go solo.
Agree 100% especially with the Lizardmen. Kroak nuked an army of greater deamons once on his off day.
"And, everything changed when the Necron & C'tan Gods attacked"
Sums up beastmen's fate in one sentence.
Morghur: (sad mooing)
You imply any of the legions could survive the Catachan-on-steroids Royal Rumble experience that is Southern Lustria, or worse... Estalia
Salamanders probably, don't have to fight through a jungle if you burn it to the ground.
@@morokei9394 And then the lizard people deploy their portable "I cannot believe it's not GDI's Ion Cannon"
@Ian Yoder I would like to pet these creatures
the legions certainly could. Catachan is survived by normal humans, space marines are hilariously OP compared to us. They would not struggle.
@Ian Yoder i dont think he was referencing the animal salamanders in fantasy
theres a legion of spacemarines called the salamanders who specialize in fire weapons and high quality weapons
No mention of the massive fleet that would have to be in orbit to deliver so many space Marines. I know you said no carpet bombing, but there would definitely be a lot of tactical bombardment, especially if the enemy has strong points that can't be approached by air, or are unfeasible to approach by ground.
Precision strikes against Lustria and Ulthuan especially (and just wipe the wood elves)
@@gideonmele1556 The problem is the Slaan would likely pull a Tiska and render any orbital bombardment null.
I am imagining Gelt turning Ultramarines into solid gold statues.
Emperor would be proud.
Hek, by the end of the battle there might be so much gold, Emperor might just summon himself to appropriate it.
Summon the elector counts
!!!
I can just imagine an incredibly pissed of guilliman stomping towards his astropaths yelling.
I want Curse, Angron and Magnus here as fast as they can be. And while you are at it. Give the Imperial fists and the blood angels a call as well. This is now personal
Honestly? Probably doesn't even need more space marines. Some sisters of silence and a few Titans would do nicely. Sisters to shut down, or at least weaken the sorcery bullshit, and Titans to blast the hell out of any epic monsters and walk through the zombie horde with no damage. Not that zombies are really effecting against astartes in the first place, due to Ceramite, and bolters/flamers/ any space marine melee weapon being able to completely destroy a human body and leave nothing left to reanimate pretty easily, but Titans can't be damaged by zombies in any circumstances. And have the firepower to kill thousands of them at once. Get a sister of silence or three close enough to even a god-tier sorcerer to weaken their defenses and then when they're vulnerable shoot them with Warlord, or Imperator sized guns? That would be enough to vaporize primarchs, greater demons, and I'd argue seriously wound Sigmar himself if not kill him outright
@@agentchaos9332 yeah i mean what are we talking in fantasy land that can take out a titan. Lord Kroak maybe? Nagash definitely. A swarm of dragons? A warpbomb?
@@liarlyre8998
Krakanrok the Black
@@agentchaos9332
"A few titans"
Few? One Imperator-class Titan should be enough.
@@hisokamorow6709 good catch
Honestly the only thing that would kill them is magics
Cuz warp is bullshit and is as powerful as the writer needs it to be
I definitely think warp stone minn guns would do a number
grombrindal would be able to masscre thousands of space marines with his axe
Problem is there are so many types of magics. The Marines are used to only warp magic, and not the many that are throughout the Fantasy setting.
Not to mention the marines own librarians that rely on the warp would find their powers to be greatly weakened thanks to the vortex.
Also, they'd probably just be polymorphed to save time.
Eh, orks looting space marine equipment would also be a problem.
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Hahaha, nice one ! 👍
Ah Anime
I dig it. Let's make it happen
Warhammer fighting Warhammer be like: Finally, a worthy opponent, our battle will be legendary!
Nah, EXTERMINATUS
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@@gothicalpha yup 23% battery
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Magnus, pre and post heresy, would probably love it in fantasy, there's so much for him to research and understand because he would know nothing about anything there.
He definitely wanted to explore the world, but got stuck being the GM. As usual.
The skaven have the power of memes hehehehe
Skaven are gonna get stomped and exterminatused lmao
They would , if they existed
@@brutalastartes Yes because the Empire of Man would hide the truth from its people for good reason so that they won't panic in mass hysteria but Space Marines are not fooled compared to the mortals.
@@rexlumontad5644 true for the most part , but space marines ca be fooled , otherwise they wouldn't fall to chaos and they wouldn't end up being declared renegades like the soul drinkers for example
@@brutalastartes Yes I know but the moment Skaven attacks them and end up being seen, that's where the Space Marines know something is up and when the mortals of the Empire refuses to talk (they can be stubborn and foolish), they will find the Skaven and start purging them such as their Under-Altdorf as an example.
Of course Skaven will fight back and won't make it easy for the Space Marines.
This should be a series, which space marine legion could do it? Honestly if we talking full capacity- I’d be throwing in the thousand sons and magnus- that would be an insane clash. Fantasy Vs Magnus and his legion.
Tbh. I’d love to see ether the Dark angels or the blood angels. I mean just think about the Lion himself just hacking and slashing through eldar left and right. It would be glorious.
@@austindemuynck9460 idk man I think my boy magnus and his legion could just melt away the minds of the elves and really just any faction they come across. That and we talking with the Tzeentch Buff they get. Then they’re just unstoppable.
@@abedin_o But Tzeentch would be present in fantasy aswell
Kroak could go brrrrrr and make any of the strongest warriors like the Lion or Magnus explode with his ultimate meme lord powers. His magic stonks would go way up.
@@TheFozia52 that does bring the question wether the Tzeentch from fantasy and 40k are different or the same. That and if they were different which would be stronger?
Guilliman: one of the greatest commanders in the Galaxy. Also Guilliman:let’s split up our legion into lots of smaller parts and attack all at once.
It's actually a decent strategy
Splitting up is not a bad strategy always.
It's just times when it was a bad strategy people made sure that it was because of the splitting up
Napoleon used that strat and conquered 80% of Europe so it can’t be the worst strat