It’s beyond beautiful, I base a lot of my poetry off of music and where I was at that point in time, I’m about to publish my first poetry anthology and 2 of the biggest influences on my writing are lyrics from Tool and Counterparts
I love the ending so much especially when he repeats “I know the pieces fit” angrily like he is pissed at the fact that something that worked so well together is destroyed and that he is mad it won’t go back together
Everyone in that bands does its job excellently. As time passed i learned a lotbl about them end ended up studying them, especially the drummer, and yet the biggest mystery is how did these guys managed to meet one another. This buggs me
I like the tournament format but might suggest doing within-band rather than between-band tournaments. So maybe take the top 4 fan suggested songs from a band and pit them against each other. That way you get to delve a bit more into a band’s work and judge songs on a more level field.
blitz34 why? they seem like idiots..😂😂😂tool is wayyyyy above their perception niche let alone comprehension..yeah yeah I know the infinite human scope for impending inevitable evolution yada yada
@@anilkumarsingh5728 bruh, they arent tool fans, what do expect, they are learning... when i first heard the song i was on the fence too but after hearing it 20 times i loved it. you have tp understand not everyone is compelled to complex intricate music, some people like to have fun and groove. they arent idiots, you sir seem to be the one that is incomprehensive of how different people are. also close minded
I can feel for Ryan here. I didn't care for this song for years. I thought it sounded like a big mess. But one night it came on the radio and I guess I was just in the right mindset and it just clicked in my brain and now it's one of my favorite songs.
@@billrobertjoe I know. I was just using 6/4 as a semi sarcastic replacement for odd meter. Ryan doesn't like odd meter, jazz time, whatever you want to call it.
Mick Funz I doubt it. His interpretation is about what you’d expect when you hear “finding beauty in the dissonance” and “crippling our communication”. It’s a pretty straight-forward song.
George, I have to commend your ability to analyze lyrics on a sightread. You immediately picked up on things I've never noticed; admittedly, I've never sat down with these particular lyrics myself, so I don't know what my own interpretation would otherwise have been, but your insight is impressive and I thoroughly enjoy hearing you have a go at it.
I like Ryan, but I love George. His openness and ability to see through things like lyrics is impressive especially because the music is not from the background he grew up with.
they are listening wrong song. they must listen Gojira - - Death of Me they are listening wrong song. they must listen Gojira - - Death of Me ................kmkkmm
After every new tool album i bought i find myself not likeing it. Each time im expecting the previous album. I get frustrated and end up not listening to it again for months. But in the end i find i need that tool album more than i need air.
I love how George is becoming the Prog/complex rhythms guy, whereas Ryan's more the 4/4, groovy, chuggy guy. Both are awesome viewpoints, and give a great contrast of opinions. Also, I feel like after hearing a lot of these different rhythms, one day Meshuggah's gonna just click for George & instantly become one of his favorite bands. That's usually how it goes for most Meshuggah fans. It's an acquired taste, one day you just get it.
This is exactly it. Every time Ryan is about to catch the groove, it switches and he doesn't seem to be able to really enjoy the stuff that he can't see where it's going. He likes the stuff that you can easily bop or nod along to.
I’ve literally never been a metal fan. I’m a hip hop/classic rock guy. But I love zeppelin and sabbath and rush and for many reasons and I hear them bleeding through in tool. Tool is way more advanced(and got the metal sound) but it feels like the same thing to me. Idk why. But tool is legit. Thank god it’s on streaming services 😁
That was it for me. And it clicked the day that i saw them live. What an incredible performance, its just something else imo. Meshuggah was not for me till I saw them live, thats crazy.
Hardcore tool fans probably have a better take on this than I do, but the actual song structure seems to echo the message and meaning. There are times when members of the band are playing in different time signatures at the same time, but they eventually come together.
When I first heard Tool many years ago I didn't get it at all. A few years passed and I listened again and at that point it was the most beautiful thing I had heard.
Stinkfist with the video would be interesting to get a reaction from; maybe a bit more accessible? With tool the music videos can help get across the general vibes and stuff, so maybe worth including that as part of the experience?
I was going to wait till the end of the video but as soon as he dropped that I dropped a like lol. I really wasn't expecting him to look at the lyrics and he really went into them.
I've always been amazed most by certain sections of Danny Carey's drumming in most Tool songs, but after listening to this song about 500 times over the years, it's obvious that this is the best and most creative part of Schism.
Paul Berg AND the vocal melody which people never mention. Figuring out when to sing and what notes to use are just as important, if not more than the words.
That's how it should be done too I think. Especially with prog metal too, it is way too hard to try to fit instrumentation over pre-written lyrics, this way Maynard can shape when he is gonna sing based on the time sig.
Danny recently said that Adam and Justin don't have any formal music training so they just play and make sounds and then Danny has to figure out how to tie it all together before Maynard comes in with the lyrics and melody.
This is why your channel is the only one I listen/watch. You break the songs down to their cores for what they are. They beauty of the lyrics, the music. You stay out of your comfort zone. You don't interrupt often and you choose a perfect time in the song to do so. Thank you for being the best. Love you guys. 💘
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@Ralph Richter It really is a masterpiece, still my favorite song, after hearing it over 10 years ago. I'm not sure I will ever find any song that I like better, either. It's a 10+ song for me.
they are listening wrong song. they must listen Gojira - - Death of Me they are listening wrong song. they must listen Gojira - - Death of Me ................nnnnn
Ryan needs rot be eased into this stuff I think. He should start we’re most metal fans started - with shit like Disturbed, Breaking Benjamin, godsmack, etc. That stuff is boring to us now, but I bet Ryan would dig it.
Schism had to grow on me and now I think it’s one of their best. Some songs are just like that for some people. Sometimes I think those are the best, most long lasting songs. Some quick hip beat or groove you like right away might get old and stale real fast. But going back to a song you didn’t overplay and then find new things you like about it that you didn’t really give it time to before is awesome🖤
Andrew Peterson I’m casual, I really like their songs. Tool is just a band nothing more, great music. You don’t need to be a genius to like it. It’s catchy and creative
I literally have no idea who the hell is suggesting these song choices. No real Tool fan would suggest Schism to someone that's only listened to a few Tool songs. This should have been The Grudge, Vicarious, Right in Two, Jambi, Sober to name a few. I'd have even suggested Ticks and Leeches as it's something amazing from them and a departure from their normal material. These are all far more accessible (Jambi might take a few listens to get the structure) and are far better choices for someone that's fairly new to their music. I struggled to understand the choice of Aenima in the first round, and I'm really struggling to understand the choice of Schism here. Overall, I'd have said The Grudge should have been the choice for the first round, and then Vicarious in the second. Hard-hitting lyrics, fantastic musicianship, and they're great songs to bang your head to. Aenima and Schism, just lol!
I always felt like the dueling time signatures on this song represented the people in the argument. The majority of the song bounces 5/8 to 7/8 and back, like two lovers fighting, even over time signature.
@@TechMan74Pakistanithinking and overthinking are two different things, if they interpret it that way and adds meaning to the way they listen to the song then hy not
Even as a TooL fan since the late 90s I find Schism to be an acquired taste. It's a very unique song in their catalogue that's very much in their style but one that goes from being soft to sharp to heavy and back again. It's up there in terms of some their best overall quality of composition and the thoughtfulness in the lyrics left an impression on me for sure. Glad you guys took to the time to listen to it. You're under no obligation to love it but it's a great marker for the type of band TooL is, willing to experiment while still maintaining a coherence of rhythm and melody.
Been a Tool fan for many long years as well, and I'm in the same boat. The big centerpieces on Lateralus jump out at you, but Schism is one of those songs that sneaks up on you. I don't rank songs, but if I were to do so, my rankings would have changed drastically over the years. The older I get, the more resonant the lyrics on songs like Schism get.
It’s funny because I thought Schism was one of their more straight forward songs. But I think I just liked it and thought it was because it just must be simple
I think his lack of finding a groove is because he's looking in the wrong place. The groove is set by the bass throughout with the drums and guitar playing in all directions on top. He's used to a drum beat groove and the off time drumming is throwing him. Needs to tap his feet to the bass line and he'll feel the groove. What always attracted me to tool was the bass guitar how it's used and the complexity they allow him to perform, rather than just play the root notes for the guitar or lock into the drum for the rhythm. Of course as a former bassist I'm biased but I think even non musician types can appreciate how everyone gets to be free and expressive in tool and showcase the mastery of their instruments.
I'm a drummer and the whole song is a pain in the neck to cover it, but I understand the complexity of the rest of the instruments as well (specially bass in this one) the timing and how it changes to a different one and then back, only 30 seconds into the song and you know every one of them is at the top of their own weapon of choice hahaha Idk if I said it right 'cause english is not my first language but you get the idea I guess.
Yes, George!! When the beat drops, I get goosebumps every time. You have the exact reaction I have at that part. It's SO good and why this is my favorite Tool song!
I'm not a music theory pro, but I can explain the groove to most of this song. 1-2-3-4-5.1-2.1-2.1-2-3. Alternating measures of 5/8 and 7/8. Once you learn it, it's hard to not catch it... But I'm weird and love music where I have to think about the groove lol.
@Terry Beaton Technically, yes. It's more a matter of feel though. It doesn't play like 12/8. It feels like alternating measures of 7/8. That's why this song is considered to have like 50 time signature changes lol. The Rick Beato video mentioned is a great breakdown. Just a great channel in general honestly, love that guy's content. He actually addresses why he doesn't consider it 12/8 and it's basically what I just said.
"Find the beauty in the dissonance" meaning, appreciate arguments as it's still a form of communication... because "cold silence has a tendency to atrophy any sense of compassion between supposed lovers" Was thankful Ryan acknowledged the writing.
i will NEVER forget the first time i heard this song (fist tool song i heard) 3AM hanging with guys mtv is on and the rif starts, and the video, in like 20 sec we all went silent and were hooked.
This is by far my favorite tool song. The individual instrumentation are playing at a high level but there's not one that's out shining the other. they are seperate but equal, flowing in a perfect harmony. Maynards vocals are a perfect accompiament to the melodic rift of the guitar. It's such a great song inside and out.
Also guys, I wanted to thank you. I've been a metalhead all my life, and I started watching your channel to see your reactions to my old time fav songs. But to be honest, I discovered a lot of music I didnt know I liked from some of the stuff you guys bring into the table. Your open mindedness is spreading!
It's very interesting to watch Ryan evolve in his understanding of prog, complex metal... I like how hard he tries to feel it, and his honesty/modesty when he says that he just doesn't understand Tool's language, being a "groove guy" :). Great guys, great channel !
And there’s nothing wrong with it either. It’s great how honest him and George are. This is easily the best song review channel on TH-cam and one of my favorite channels in general
The point of the song is to be dissonant in its harmonies and rhythms, of which the time signature shifts between 5/8 and 7/8, but together meshes into an easier 12/8 harmony. In many ways it exemplifies the theme of this channel, that there’s beauty in discomfort and to challenge what you think.
PAUL SORYU [Music] Intervals and/or chords are generally described as either consonant or dissonant. Rhythm has nothing to do with it: www2.siba.fi/muste1/index.php?id=65&la=en
@@dtc8249 Yeah, you're right, but I guess everybody here can understand what dissonant rhythm means. At least I was just replying to the comment in autors terminology. Really you can name everything however you want as long as everybody understands you. Especially on the internet
@@dtc8249 And also if we're going that far, you can watch Adam Neely's video about how chords in slow mo are basically rhytms. And as chords get more dissonant, the more complicated their rhythm becomes.
I understand Ryan so much. For practically every song from Tool I needed several listens before I found the way to it but they all got me in the end. Jambi is the best example, it felt a little weird to me the first time, now I consider it as one of the most important songs to me ever.
I'm not, people keep suggesting songs from Lateralus, which I think it's the hardest TOOL to get into, it requires more dedication by the listener. Vicarious, Eulogy, Stinkfist... that's how you ease people into TOOL.
You guys should definitely do a grunge tournament. Something like Alice in Chains vs. Nirvana and Soundgarden vs. Pearl Jam. Maybe throw Stone Temple Pilots in as a wildcard lol
Yeah maybe... 1. Nirvana- drain you v Alice in chains- Sea of sorrow 2. Soundgarden- with my good eye closed v Pearl jam- porch (unplugged) 3. Stp- sex type thing v anything!
I think stuff like "Vicarious" and "Ticks & Leeches" is more accessible as a start into Tool's library, but it's cool to see the difference in opinion. That said, "I'd love to see them do "Eulogy"
Vicarious- yes I can see both the boys getting the groove almost immediately The Grudge - definitely Eulogy on the other hand is too slow burning and doesn't have much more to offer than those songs and we already know that The Pot was an instant like from the boys because of its identifiable groove but Eulogy is for the hardcore fans. Great song but not a recommendation from me.
This song goes through the same musical journey that the lyrics talk about. It starts off nice & smooth and continues to become louder, harder, & more raw & vicious, just like the relationship he's singing about. My favorite part is the final attempt at something smooth and nice as it has small outbursts of rage that quickly turns in chaos & him screaming, "I KNOW THE PIECES FIT!!!" over and over again... And then BAM!!!.... abrupt silence. It's over..... And all you can do is move on to your next song.
Having two people makes such a huge difference. They can discuss what they liked and didn't like, and compare how their personal preferences affect the reaction. It really is a great channel.
Did he say that? I could have sworn he said he didn't get it and needs to sit with it. I have heard all kinds of songs I didn't get at first...and became all time favs later..
I don’t like any Tool songs the first time I hear them. It takes two or three or four times at least for them to resonate. Once they do, you’re hooked.
"This mans pen is ridiculous though" I like that!! I listen to so much rap but Tool is my favorite band beats r phenomenal n Maynards voice n lyrics r crayyy.
any metal subgenre tournament would be cool...but i suppose they wont do a black metal tournament or a death metal tournament as they dont like those genres much.
It may not be "easy" to listen to Tool at first. But a lot of things that are not easy are worth it at he end. The first song I heard around 2000 was "Eulogy". Bought the album for the song and really needed a few weeks to discover it. But once you "get it", there's no way back. It is since then my favorite band, best live show I've ever seen, big influence in drumming. Just amazing.
The guy on the left's opinions remind me a lot of my own back when I first listened to Tool in high school. It's definitely completely different than anything mainstream, however it's grown a lot on me over the years and I recognize now how amazing and creative it is... Hope that isn't too corny. haha
not corny I totally feel you. Took me way too long to get into Tool but when I did....holy shit there's really nothing like it. Now I envy people who have yet to have that journey from no Tool in their life to full appreciation. Ok now that was corny, Cheers!
I've always been able to admire the unique approach they have to the genre for sure, there really is noone that sounds like them, but I've never fallen in love with them because their music never manages to truly grab me. There's the odd cool riff here or there, and I end up liking every track I hear, but they're never quite as engaging as I wish they'd be.
One thing I think sadly people new to Tool would miss out on now is the way their official website was originally laid out with all the easter egg pages hidden all over the place and the old IRC style chat room they once housed. And also of course Kabir's old fan site that had a pretty robust message board as well as the FAQ. It was a fantastic time when only a handful of bands were really taking advantage of the web and creating a true extension of their art on it.
This to me is Tool’s magnum opus. I’m not necessarily saying it’s their greatest song, but rather this is peak tool and if you could combine all their songs into one this is what it would sound like.
Ryan, appreciate your honest opinion. But I'm also happy you'll listen to it more than once before you finalize your opinion. Being a Tool fan, the Aenima album and Lateralus album have entirely different feels. I remember after waiting forever for Lateralus to be released, the very first listen, I felt the same way you did here. But given time, it is hands down one of the most amazing albums. I feel it needs to be listened to as a whole and not picked apart though to get the full experience.
Couldn’t agree more, Aenima was and still is one of my favorite all time albums...first couple listens of Lateralus I was completely disappointed and didn’t listen to it again for months after the release and one day just put it on and it grabbed me and now I love it.
I love this song and the video was amazing. Rick Beato did a really good breakdown of the musicianship in this one and in particular he shows you how to count it. I have a feeling learning the way to count the beats will help it click
Once you catch the count it’s hypnotic. It’s just alternating 5/8 and 7/8. Coolest bit is to visualize it. It feels like you have two people opposite of each other pushing a pendulum at each other. So it feels like it fits the schism concept of two people pushing back and forth.
Typical Tool, making half the room uncomfortable and the other half ecstatic.
This, so much this
😂
lololol facts
Not a communal listen !
Real. True. FACTS!!
Ironically, you guys don't agree about a song about two people not agreeing.
Lol
This song just builds really slowly, like a puzzle
chet zar Chet Zar ladies and gents! Chet Zar! Hats off 🙌
@@itstimeforlee there are multiple versions of irony so he isnt actually wrong
but unironically we are all communicating about it and we all spiral back together.
"Cold silence has a tendency to atrophy any sense of compassion" One of my favorite lyrics of all time
IT makes me cry, it hits so hard
It’s beyond beautiful, I base a lot of my poetry off of music and where I was at that point in time, I’m about to publish my first poetry anthology and 2 of the biggest influences on my writing are lyrics from Tool and Counterparts
Same here
Agreed
I literally give this as advice to people and they always think it's funny it's from a song.
"I love when we dont necessarily agree"... It's like you can find beauty in dissonance, isnt it?
Lol nice!
eeyyyyy
I was thinking that before I saw your comment
Benjamín Carmona aren’t system of a down progressive metal too?
That was fire.. lol
I don't think you could've found a more perfect song to not wholly agree on.
It's literally a song about a separation in opinion and choices.
exactly! lol
Great observation. It's an appropriately dissonant natural reaction to a song about dissonance.
They are experiencing a schism, nice observation and poetic.
I wish they chose Ticks & Leeches
Doob absolutely symmetrical and perfectly balanced. As all things should be.
“This man’s pen is ridiculous.” word.
Thats funny^^
@@StalkerinfromDavid yes it is! "Word". LOL
For sure!
LoL
Especially that one time he forgot it.
"Haven't listened 20,000 times" Those are rookie numbers.
You are only a master after 10,000 days of listening.
🤣
gotta get those numbers waaaaaay up
you gotta pump those numbers up
Lmao
Funny how they disagree a bit on this one... Almost like... a... Schism 😮
The beauty in dissonance...
badum tss lol
Lol
My thoughts exsactly
@@jasonharter4876 *badadadum dadum tss
I love the ending so much especially when he repeats “I know the pieces fit” angrily like he is pissed at the fact that something that worked so well together is destroyed and that he is mad it won’t go back together
Everyone in that bands does its job excellently. As time passed i learned a lotbl about them end ended up studying them, especially the drummer, and yet the biggest mystery is how did these guys managed to meet one another. This buggs me
Very well spoken
I love how he gets progressively louder and more aggressive with each verse. So much to analyse in this masterpiece.
Exactly the objection of how tool wanted that received! Awesome that you felt that, thanks for sharing.
@@TheCret I, too have fallen down the Danny Carey rabbit hole recently. I can't stop watching this.
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I’m not a lyric guy. But your ability to dissect lyrics so well, especially on a FIRST listen, is incredible to me
Yup, you know George aced English class in school ..that was my toughest class to get thru lol
They are hip hop heads from a time when lyrics were 60% of what hip hop was.
jacob price its a shame lyrics don’t mean shit in hip hop anymore
@@jacobprice8048 Took the words right out of my mouth.
@@nickcds3419 look up Daylyt freestyles
I like the tournament format but might suggest doing within-band rather than between-band tournaments. So maybe take the top 4 fan suggested songs from a band and pit them against each other. That way you get to delve a bit more into a band’s work and judge songs on a more level field.
Damn that would be great. Super fun to watch too
I 100% agree with this. Would watch!
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This comment needs to be more upvoted
this
I think George is officially a Tool fan.
I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOR SO LONG HOLY SHIT
blitz34 why? they seem like idiots..😂😂😂tool is wayyyyy above their perception niche let alone comprehension..yeah yeah I know the infinite human scope for impending inevitable evolution yada yada
Retro X karma oh god you’re literally the worst type of Tool fan....
Zeta9966 m'lady you Honor me..I'm low-key sobbing.god bless your day.❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
@@anilkumarsingh5728 bruh, they arent tool fans, what do expect, they are learning... when i first heard the song i was on the fence too but after hearing it 20 times i loved it. you have tp understand not everyone is compelled to complex intricate music, some people like to have fun and groove. they arent idiots, you sir seem to be the one that is incomprehensive of how different people are. also close minded
I ruined the 420
Everyone saying they want Vicarious or The Grudge but like
Parabola plz
I want to like this more than once.
Parabol with Porabola
@@Ben-Rogue Have to have both together so much better than either separately!
The Patient > all
Any of these would have been better choices for a showdown in my opinion.
I can feel for Ryan here. I didn't care for this song for years. I thought it sounded like a big mess. But one night it came on the radio and I guess I was just in the right mindset and it just clicked in my brain and now it's one of my favorite songs.
agreed
I guess I'm one of those - like George - where I heard it for the first time and thought holy **** that's amazing!
They actually play Tool songs on an FM frequency somewhere??!! Jeez -- gimme a ZIP code: I gotta relocate outta this honky-tonk radio morass!!
@@MS-jc9sy same here. That riff is so captivating I kept coming back
You were stoned in your car, huh?
The persistent look of pain on Ryan’s face is priceless
He truly looks like he's trying to understand a foreign language.
Lol
The Stankface transcends time and space.
Hahaha
his exasperated "yeaaaah" lol
Haha I love how around 15 minutes mark and forth George is like "F#ck yeah!" and Ryan is like "what is this"
Ryan cant count past 4. Thats why he cant comprehend. 6/4 is annoying when you want 4/4.
@@jasonmgomez doesn't it switch from 7/4 and 6/4
@@billrobertjoe I know. I was just using 6/4 as a semi sarcastic replacement for odd meter. Ryan doesn't like odd meter, jazz time, whatever you want to call it.
@@jasonmgomez ok
I thought it's between 5/8 and 7/8?
George gets Tool 100%! His lyrical breakdown is spot on too 👍
I was actually impressed. George is prety intelligent.
It's possible he's doing a bit of internet research before some of these videos.
Mick Funz I doubt it. His interpretation is about what you’d expect when you hear “finding beauty in the dissonance” and “crippling our communication”. It’s a pretty straight-forward song.
TheHORIZONA I love how he feels the lyrics with his entire being.
Very impressive to break down so much so accurately on a first listen
My boy George gets it. That stankface just before the bridge= MMMMMMMMMMMMM
Bart Crisp I could just hear his inner dialog with that face saying “Nasty!”
Bart Crisp He cracks me up!
George gets it. Picked up on the lyrics really well for a first listen. Goods shit!
George always impressed me when looking into the lyrics of literally any kind of song
Ryan then: ''Tool is like a foreign language to me"
Ryan now: "DON'T PAUSE THAT SHIT IS SO FIRE!!"
The evolution of the Ryan.
😂😂
He got the 2 extra chromosomes
Ultimate character development.
I was just thinking the same thing, he loves Tool now
The pieces fit
Just for reference, this was the biggest commercial hit Tool ever had. Schism also won the Grammy for Best Metal Performance.
And rightly so
@@grysharp3137 Not rightly so at all
@@caex it's an incredibly well written song
Nathan Hale How not? Tool is a masterpiece at the minimum
DaRockLobster are you sure Sober wasn’t bigger?
George, I have to commend your ability to analyze lyrics on a sightread. You immediately picked up on things I've never noticed; admittedly, I've never sat down with these particular lyrics myself, so I don't know what my own interpretation would otherwise have been, but your insight is impressive and I thoroughly enjoy hearing you have a go at it.
I like Ryan, but I love George. His openness and ability to see through things like lyrics is impressive especially because the music is not from the background he grew up with.
Luv this perspective!
Something about this song has always turned me off, but I this has made me figure it out. somehow🤔😍 I LOVE THIS!❤🎶❤🎶🤘
they are listening wrong song. they must listen Gojira - - Death of Me
they are listening wrong song. they must listen Gojira - - Death of Me
................kmkkmm
Good breakdown.
There's no shame in needing a minute with Tool. You're getting into polyrythms, multiple signatures, deep lyrics... Yeah. Take your time.
tool is like monty python... you can listen/watch them thousand times and you will ever find something new...
Cpt. James K Morgan there’s also no shame in not liking it at all
After every new tool album i bought i find myself not likeing it. Each time im expecting the previous album. I get frustrated and end up not listening to it again for months. But in the end i find i need that tool album more than i need air.
It always takes me a few listens of a tool song/album to truly enjoy and even like it. Alot to process
@The Lost and Damned this made me lawl
Tool is amazing. Schism has 47 time signature changes in it. Definitely progressive
That is why he has "a hard time with the groove."
It’s in 6/4 for the majority of the song
Ethan Work you mean 5/8 7/8? Before it goes into 6/8 at the guitar solo?
D Hill So what? Don’t be an elitist, people don’t need an education in music to realize how exceptional Tool is.
Sticky Bandit True
I love how George is becoming the Prog/complex rhythms guy, whereas Ryan's more the 4/4, groovy, chuggy guy. Both are awesome viewpoints, and give a great contrast of opinions.
Also, I feel like after hearing a lot of these different rhythms, one day Meshuggah's gonna just click for George & instantly become one of his favorite bands. That's usually how it goes for most Meshuggah fans. It's an acquired taste, one day you just get it.
This is exactly it. Every time Ryan is about to catch the groove, it switches and he doesn't seem to be able to really enjoy the stuff that he can't see where it's going. He likes the stuff that you can easily bop or nod along to.
I’ve literally never been a metal fan. I’m a hip hop/classic rock guy. But I love zeppelin and sabbath and rush and for many reasons and I hear them bleeding through in tool. Tool is way more advanced(and got the metal sound) but it feels like the same thing to me. Idk why. But tool is legit. Thank god it’s on streaming services 😁
That was it for me. And it clicked the day that i saw them live. What an incredible performance, its just something else imo.
Meshuggah was not for me till I saw them live, thats crazy.
Now im big fan ofcs
@@rmr5044 YES, that was one of my issues with bleed and demiurge. They sounded too repetitive. It was a matter of time!!!
The tension in this song. Unreal. It explodes climactically but resolves to even tighter tension. Goddamn Tool is awesome.
Hardcore tool fans probably have a better take on this than I do, but the actual song structure seems to echo the message and meaning. There are times when members of the band are playing in different time signatures at the same time, but they eventually come together.
GergLounge yea, most tool songs have some sort of polyrhythmic element, it's littered throughout the entire lateralus album. It's so tough to do.
Very perceptive
Music is chaotic order. Order and chaos are juxtaposed, we are in the middle of chaos and order. Like the Taoist Ying and Yang symbol. ☯️
That sounds like something Tool would think of yes. Seeing as they also tackled the fibonacci sequence in one of their songs.
@@Eli-xw7de Yeah, but hes commenting on the sort of meta rationale behind the polyrhythms, kind of like Lateralus and the Fibonacci thing
George is going to need an ambulance when he hears The Grudge :) :)
That entire album kicks ass.
He'll wear the grudge like a crown of negativity.
Mmm, the near 50 second long scream...
Grudge is my favorite Tool song. So crazy
Shabutie554 Same, that song is perfect in every single way
When I first heard Tool many years ago I didn't get it at all. A few years passed and I listened again and at that point it was the most beautiful thing I had heard.
I had a friend who liked tool from like ten years ago. Tried one song like five years ago and didn’t get it. Now fully trapped lol.
Go get super high then go listen again.
Looks like Vicarious, The Grudge and Jambi are some real essential Tool songs for you guys to check out. The people are screaming for them
And Parabol/Parabola
@@Vitericus1 it starts off so slow but it kicks in so hard at the end. I love it.
Eh... Jambi isn't in my opinion. It's one of their weaker songs like Jimmy.
Parabol/Parabola and Ticks & Leeches. Both are phenomenal
Stinkfist with the video would be interesting to get a reaction from; maybe a bit more accessible? With tool the music videos can help get across the general vibes and stuff, so maybe worth including that as part of the experience?
"This man's pen is dope!"
I was going to wait till the end of the video but as soon as he dropped that I dropped a like lol. I really wasn't expecting him to look at the lyrics and he really went into them.
Lucifer is Good yep! He always comments on the lyrics and bass when it comes to TOOL
Lol.. he likes Maynard's penis.
This is so amazing.
"Cold silence has...
a tendency to ...
atrophy any...
sense of compassion...
BETWEEN SUPPOSED LOVERS."
The tone of the vocals in "between supposed lovers" has always amazed me. I don't know how it's processed, but it's so haunting and unusual.
I've always been amazed most by certain sections of Danny Carey's drumming in most Tool songs, but after listening to this song about 500 times over the years, it's obvious that this is the best and most creative part of Schism.
Relevant.
That’s my favorite verse of the song!!
I always thought he said between the ghosts and lovers. Ha. Before internet.
After Adam, Justin, and Danny write all the music Maynard then writes the lyrics... That's how they've always done it....
Yeah that's like, just the entire band right there
Paul Berg AND the vocal melody which people never mention. Figuring out when to sing and what notes to use are just as important, if not more than the words.
That's how it should be done too I think. Especially with prog metal too, it is way too hard to try to fit instrumentation over pre-written lyrics, this way Maynard can shape when he is gonna sing based on the time sig.
That's how they've done it since Aenima.
Danny recently said that Adam and Justin don't have any formal music training so they just play and make sounds and then Danny has to figure out how to tie it all together before Maynard comes in with the lyrics and melody.
Justin Chancellor is an excellent bass player
Bruh.. for real!!! Justin usually plays fretless basses when he records. I'm guessing Opeth doesn't have a clue what that is. LMAO
He interestingly enough uses a pick
@@kenhoward2340 Face of Melinda is on fretless bass BTW
@@Vibhutius NO SHIT?!? I retract my previous statement. That's badass! \,,/ Thanks bro.
excellent...lol hes an alien
This is why your channel is the only one I listen/watch. You break the songs down to their cores for what they are. They beauty of the lyrics, the music. You stay out of your comfort zone. You don't interrupt often and you choose a perfect time in the song to do so.
Thank you for being the best. Love you guys. 💘
parabol /parabola...it just blow away your mind
Nah they’ll have a pokerface throughout
Third Eye is the mind blower 🍃 💨
they are listening wrong song. they must listen Gojira - - Death of Me
they are listening wrong song. they must listen Gojira - - Death of Me
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Give some more “normal” shit first you idiots. Third Eye? Are you kidding me?
@Ralph Richter It really is a masterpiece, still my favorite song, after hearing it over 10 years ago. I'm not sure I will ever find any song that I like better, either. It's a 10+ song for me.
Ryan is in the moment where TOOL literally mindfucked him! Lol, i love it.
Sliding back into the chair I was dying but we all been there lol!!
@@roastedbagel haha, yeah! I had to replay that a few times 😂👏🏻
Figuratively
they are listening wrong song. they must listen Gojira - - Death of Me
they are listening wrong song. they must listen Gojira - - Death of Me
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Ryan needs rot be eased into this stuff I think. He should start we’re most metal fans started - with shit like Disturbed, Breaking Benjamin, godsmack, etc. That stuff is boring to us now, but I bet Ryan would dig it.
That slow middle part is one of my favourite music passages *EVER*.
Yes just YES
Lol the ending there.
George is me
Ryan is my friend riding in the car with me
Schism had to grow on me and now I think it’s one of their best. Some songs are just like that for some people. Sometimes I think those are the best, most long lasting songs. Some quick hip beat or groove you like right away might get old and stale real fast. But going back to a song you didn’t overplay and then find new things you like about it that you didn’t really give it time to before is awesome🖤
Danny Carey is a machine. Or a god. Or both. The dude is nearly 60 and he still plays live like he sounds on the records.
Watch Rick Beato’s breakdown of what makes this song great.
Yeah, I tried to reach them on Twitter about this. They need to check it before conclusion - th-cam.com/video/ScRG40_7zb0/w-d-xo.html
Love beato's "what makes this song great" series
Rick Beato has the best music channel on the tube.
Rick is insanely talented at breaking down songs and communicating both feel/vibe and more technical aspects. Something for most audiences.
Tool is a band that demands that you actively listen to their music. There are no casual tool fans.
Word!
Not true. I love Tool and can go months without listening to them.
@@pnut3844able But you listen actively when you listen is the point thing, I believe.
Barbara Vance actively? Sure. I'd say so.
Andrew Peterson I’m casual, I really like their songs. Tool is just a band nothing more, great music. You don’t need to be a genius to like it. It’s catchy and creative
Parabola by Tool has everything you guys like. Strong message, dynamic drumming, some jamming out and perfect timing.
Kodiak1899 parabola is definitely their best song imo. But it has to be played with parabol for the optimal experience :)
That riff is one of the coolest bass guitar lines ever
"I need time to let it sink in" said every Tool fan ever
aint that the truth
Tool - The Grudge dammit
They'll both love the lyrics.
I think it’s time already...
Mladen Korunoski one of Maynard’s shining moments. Lyrically and vocally!
Joshua Cannon couldn’t agree more. The whole song stands on another level.
I literally have no idea who the hell is suggesting these song choices. No real Tool fan would suggest Schism to someone that's only listened to a few Tool songs. This should have been The Grudge, Vicarious, Right in Two, Jambi, Sober to name a few. I'd have even suggested Ticks and Leeches as it's something amazing from them and a departure from their normal material. These are all far more accessible (Jambi might take a few listens to get the structure) and are far better choices for someone that's fairly new to their music. I struggled to understand the choice of Aenima in the first round, and I'm really struggling to understand the choice of Schism here.
Overall, I'd have said The Grudge should have been the choice for the first round, and then Vicarious in the second. Hard-hitting lyrics, fantastic musicianship, and they're great songs to bang your head to. Aenima and Schism, just lol!
When George was groovin' to that bridge I really thought, George is my guy.
THIS! Lol
These dudes always vibin that’s my favorite part they just feel the music
I always felt like the dueling time signatures on this song represented the people in the argument. The majority of the song bounces 5/8 to 7/8 and back, like two lovers fighting, even over time signature.
idk bout that
Overthinking, overanalizing separates the body from the mind..
@@TechMan74Pakistanithinking and overthinking are two different things, if they interpret it that way and adds meaning to the way they listen to the song then hy not
Even as a TooL fan since the late 90s I find Schism to be an acquired taste. It's a very unique song in their catalogue that's very much in their style but one that goes from being soft to sharp to heavy and back again. It's up there in terms of some their best overall quality of composition and the thoughtfulness in the lyrics left an impression on me for sure.
Glad you guys took to the time to listen to it. You're under no obligation to love it but it's a great marker for the type of band TooL is, willing to experiment while still maintaining a coherence of rhythm and melody.
Been a Tool fan for many long years as well, and I'm in the same boat. The big centerpieces on Lateralus jump out at you, but Schism is one of those songs that sneaks up on you. I don't rank songs, but if I were to do so, my rankings would have changed drastically over the years. The older I get, the more resonant the lyrics on songs like Schism get.
Schism was my introduction to tool via my older brother. Instant. I'd say your ear is just naturally attuned to what your mentality is at that moment
It’s funny because I thought Schism was one of their more straight forward songs. But I think I just liked it and thought it was because it just must be simple
Tool - The Grudge
In a competition between TOOL and Opeth for Prog Metal supremacy, nobody loses.
Opeth loses miserably in my opinion
@@kaan9778 ding dong, your opinion is wrong
Opeth takes a second place. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that
@@smilejenkins they both take first place.
@@pranavkulkarni1414 agreed!
They won a Grammy for Schism!
Did they? Thats awesome. Being that I have all thier songs memorized I feel like I should have known that.
@@andrewverrett568
Aenema too.
Beat out Panteras Suicide Note Pt 1. At least Pantera finally lost to a good song
@@chaoticevilmonk2223 they were nomimated for a Grammy with The Pot, they came 2nd tho
@@chaoticevilmonk2223 they already have 3 Grammys ,so no worries😂
@@alexgram1276 4 if you count the one adam got for 10000 days
I think his lack of finding a groove is because he's looking in the wrong place. The groove is set by the bass throughout with the drums and guitar playing in all directions on top. He's used to a drum beat groove and the off time drumming is throwing him. Needs to tap his feet to the bass line and he'll feel the groove. What always attracted me to tool was the bass guitar how it's used and the complexity they allow him to perform, rather than just play the root notes for the guitar or lock into the drum for the rhythm. Of course as a former bassist I'm biased but I think even non musician types can appreciate how everyone gets to be free and expressive in tool and showcase the mastery of their instruments.
Justin is the reason I learned bass in the first place. The guy is amazing at doing what he loves.
I'm a drummer and the whole song is a pain in the neck to cover it, but I understand the complexity of the rest of the instruments as well (specially bass in this one) the timing and how it changes to a different one and then back, only 30 seconds into the song and you know every one of them is at the top of their own weapon of choice hahaha Idk if I said it right 'cause english is not my first language but you get the idea I guess.
I’m torn between this and 46&2 for my favorite bass line. He’s damn good. Part of my appeal to 46&2 is that Justin wrote it for his audition for Tool
I was confused because this song has a very definite groove to me.
Great description, I think you're 100% on the money here
Yes, George!! When the beat drops, I get goosebumps every time. You have the exact reaction I have at that part. It's SO good and why this is my favorite Tool song!
If you really like careys drumming, listen to ticks and leeches. It will blow your minds
Ticks and leeches, right in two and parabola
Also Jambi
Also anything Danny does
Rosetta stoned
Also all of them
I'm not a music theory pro, but I can explain the groove to most of this song. 1-2-3-4-5.1-2.1-2.1-2-3. Alternating measures of 5/8 and 7/8. Once you learn it, it's hard to not catch it... But I'm weird and love music where I have to think about the groove lol.
Rick Beato did a fantastic breakdown of it: th-cam.com/video/ScRG40_7zb0/w-d-xo.html
@Terry Beaton Technically, yes. It's more a matter of feel though. It doesn't play like 12/8. It feels like alternating measures of 7/8. That's why this song is considered to have like 50 time signature changes lol. The Rick Beato video mentioned is a great breakdown. Just a great channel in general honestly, love that guy's content. He actually addresses why he doesn't consider it 12/8 and it's basically what I just said.
You would definatly love "right in two" one of tools best.
"Find the beauty in the dissonance" meaning, appreciate arguments as it's still a form of communication... because "cold silence has a tendency to atrophy any sense of compassion between supposed lovers"
Was thankful Ryan acknowledged the writing.
i will NEVER forget the first time i heard this song (fist tool song i heard) 3AM hanging with guys mtv is on and the rif starts, and the video, in like 20 sec we all went silent and were hooked.
This is by far my favorite tool song. The individual instrumentation are playing at a high level but there's not one that's out shining the other. they are seperate but equal, flowing in a perfect harmony. Maynards vocals are a perfect accompiament to the melodic rift of the guitar. It's such a great song inside and out.
Also guys, I wanted to thank you. I've been a metalhead all my life, and I started watching your channel to see your reactions to my old time fav songs. But to be honest, I discovered a lot of music I didnt know I liked from some of the stuff you guys bring into the table. Your open mindedness is spreading!
THIS IS IT. THIS IS THE ONE SONG I’VE BEEN WAITING FOR! Was waiting for George’s face during Danny’s drumming and I wasn’t disappointed
It's very interesting to watch Ryan evolve in his understanding of prog, complex metal... I like how hard he tries to feel it, and his honesty/modesty when he says that he just doesn't understand Tool's language, being a "groove guy" :). Great guys, great channel !
And there’s nothing wrong with it either. It’s great how honest him and George are. This is easily the best song review channel on TH-cam and one of my favorite channels in general
That stank face George (apologize if I used wrong spelling) makes when a transition is nasty. My favorite kind of reaction to music man.
The point of the song is to be dissonant in its harmonies and rhythms, of which the time signature shifts between 5/8 and 7/8, but together meshes into an easier 12/8 harmony. In many ways it exemplifies the theme of this channel, that there’s beauty in discomfort and to challenge what you think.
harmonies aren't dissonant, rhythms are,
Yuck
PAUL SORYU [Music] Intervals and/or chords are generally described as either consonant or dissonant. Rhythm has nothing to do with it:
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@@dtc8249 Yeah, you're right, but I guess everybody here can understand what dissonant rhythm means. At least I was just replying to the comment in autors terminology. Really you can name everything however you want as long as everybody understands you. Especially on the internet
@@dtc8249 And also if we're going that far, you can watch Adam Neely's video about how chords in slow mo are basically rhytms. And as chords get more dissonant, the more complicated their rhythm becomes.
I understand Ryan so much. For practically every song from Tool I needed several listens before I found the way to it but they all got me in the end. Jambi is the best example, it felt a little weird to me the first time, now I consider it as one of the most important songs to me ever.
Schism is one of the most beautifully constructed songs I've ever heard. I've never understood why everyone can't see that.
Because it fades away near Lateralus
Same.
I know, and they say 'right now, the pieces fit' in the song!
it took me a long time to appreciate this song, but it's by far their most well-composed among an extremely well-composed catalog
I think it's their most poetic track, lyrically.
I'm really shocked. I thought Ryan would like this more. Great video guys.
I'm not, people keep suggesting songs from Lateralus, which I think it's the hardest TOOL to get into, it requires more dedication by the listener.
Vicarious, Eulogy, Stinkfist... that's how you ease people into TOOL.
That quadruple galloping note bass riff is iconic...
I'm a simple man. I see Lost in Vegas review a Tool song. I watch, and drop a like.
Same. I'll drop whatever else is going on to check it out.
You ain't lying.
It's official... George is a true metal head 🤘 #GettingTheFeelsWithTheObscure
Lots of songs are good, even great but this song is brilliant. This is a piece of art.
You guys should definitely do a grunge tournament. Something like Alice in Chains vs. Nirvana and Soundgarden vs. Pearl Jam. Maybe throw Stone Temple Pilots in as a wildcard lol
This. Also prog rock tournament. Rush, Genesis, Yes, ELP, King Crimson, Camel, Jethro Tull etc...
Alice in Chains win easily
STP> pearl jam honestly
Reishin Rush wins going away
Yeah maybe...
1. Nirvana- drain you v Alice in chains- Sea of sorrow
2. Soundgarden- with my good eye closed v Pearl jam- porch (unplugged)
3. Stp- sex type thing v anything!
I think stuff like "Vicarious" and "Ticks & Leeches" is more accessible as a start into Tool's library, but it's cool to see the difference in opinion. That said, "I'd love to see them do "Eulogy"
The drums at the start of Ticks & Leeches still blows me away.
Oh god yes Eulogy please.. can't wait to see that reaction. :) They're both going to love it!
Vicarious- yes I can see both the boys getting the groove almost immediately
The Grudge - definitely
Eulogy on the other hand is too slow burning and doesn't have much more to offer than those songs and we already know that The Pot was an instant like from the boys because of its identifiable groove but Eulogy is for the hardcore fans. Great song but not a recommendation from me.
@@ryukan250 See i'm the opposite, i love eulogy and but don't care for the grudge
46 & 2 and Prison Sex.
This song goes through the same musical journey that the lyrics talk about.
It starts off nice & smooth and continues to become louder, harder, & more raw & vicious, just like the relationship he's singing about.
My favorite part is the final attempt at something smooth and nice as it has small outbursts of rage that quickly turns in chaos & him screaming, "I KNOW THE PIECES FIT!!!" over and over again...
And then BAM!!!.... abrupt silence.
It's over..... And all you can do is move on to your next song.
I loved that Ryan didn't like the song. Best reaction channel. Period.
Having two people makes such a huge difference. They can discuss what they liked and didn't like, and compare how their personal preferences affect the reaction. It really is a great channel.
Did he say that? I could have sworn he said he didn't get it and needs to sit with it. I have heard all kinds of songs I didn't get at first...and became all time favs later..
I don’t like any Tool songs the first time I hear them. It takes two or three or four times at least for them to resonate. Once they do, you’re hooked.
React to right in two by tool. Wont disappoint.
Easily one of my favorite Tool songs in terms of lyrics.
"This mans pen is ridiculous though" I like that!! I listen to so much rap but Tool is my favorite band beats r phenomenal n Maynards voice n lyrics r crayyy.
Danny is such a great drummer. Top 10
Lets be honest he is top 5
@@alexgram1276 was gonna say. he is one of the greats regardless
@@alexgram1276 he and Mike Portnoy are my 2 favorite
Him and Jimmy Chamberlin are my two favorites.
I feel this comparison is very unfair. We should narrow down that list to humans, which Danny clearly is not.
One of my favorites from them. Nice to see you guys react to this song. A Thrash Metal, Nu Metal, or Progressive Rock tournament would be cool.
any metal subgenre tournament would be cool...but i suppose they wont do a black metal tournament or a death metal tournament as they dont like those genres much.
And one of my least favourites, crazy
It may not be "easy" to listen to Tool at first. But a lot of things that are not easy are worth it at he end. The first song I heard around 2000 was "Eulogy". Bought the album for the song and really needed a few weeks to discover it. But once you "get it", there's no way back. It is since then my favorite band, best live show I've ever seen, big influence in drumming. Just amazing.
Now you guys should react to the SCHISM video....
lol!
That video is... A video
The guy on the left's opinions remind me a lot of my own back when I first listened to Tool in high school. It's definitely completely different than anything mainstream, however it's grown a lot on me over the years and I recognize now how amazing and creative it is... Hope that isn't too corny. haha
not corny I totally feel you. Took me way too long to get into Tool but when I did....holy shit there's really nothing like it. Now I envy people who have yet to have that journey from no Tool in their life to full appreciation. Ok now that was corny, Cheers!
I've always been able to admire the unique approach they have to the genre for sure, there really is noone that sounds like them, but I've never fallen in love with them because their music never manages to truly grab me. There's the odd cool riff here or there, and I end up liking every track I hear, but they're never quite as engaging as I wish they'd be.
One thing I think sadly people new to Tool would miss out on now is the way their official website was originally laid out with all the easter egg pages hidden all over the place and the old IRC style chat room they once housed. And also of course Kabir's old fan site that had a pretty robust message board as well as the FAQ. It was a fantastic time when only a handful of bands were really taking advantage of the web and creating a true extension of their art on it.
The crescendo in this masterpiece is unparalleled.
Oh hell ya man 🤓
Awww yea my dudes! Been getting anxious waiting for these reactions!
Haha, he said “push the envelope”! Now, if you’d also watch it bend it would be super!
Dude, nice. Lol
This to me is Tool’s magnum opus. I’m not necessarily saying it’s their greatest song, but rather this is peak tool and if you could combine all their songs into one this is what it would sound like.
I’m glad you’re bringing back a few seconds after pausing the song. Tool all the way!
And yes, Jambi will blow your minds, guys!
Ryan, appreciate your honest opinion. But I'm also happy you'll listen to it more than once before you finalize your opinion. Being a Tool fan, the Aenima album and Lateralus album have entirely different feels. I remember after waiting forever for Lateralus to be released, the very first listen, I felt the same way you did here. But given time, it is hands down one of the most amazing albums. I feel it needs to be listened to as a whole and not picked apart though to get the full experience.
fully agree. especially when Schism first came out, took me a while to really get it, now I can't live without!
The album as a whole is a gateway to something special. Sit back, close your eyes and let it take you on the ride
5 years after Aenima, with no YT teasers... the wait was torture! Loved it from day 1
Couldn’t agree more, Aenima was and still is one of my favorite all time albums...first couple listens of Lateralus I was completely disappointed and didn’t listen to it again for months after the release and one day just put it on and it grabbed me and now I love it.
Watching Ryan grow from their early Tool reactions to Invincible was an awesome thing to watch.
George: !!!
Ryan: ???
I think Ryans opinion will change after he puts headphones on an listens from start to finish without pausing
✌😎💨🎵☁🎶☁
I don't think Ryan has ever shroomed or dropped acid.
Try “Arriving somewhere but not here” by Porcupine Tree. You won’t be disappointed
I love Porcupine Tree
Steven Wilson 🙏
Anesthetize live
Schism is the very first Tool's song I've listened. I was very impressed and it got me forever! I
Ryan's reaction is the result of all "radio" music being 4/4 lol
FYI: Tool won a Grammy for this song
Associating a grammy with good music has a reductive effect on the music as the Grammys are just a circlejerk of politics
I love this song and the video was amazing.
Rick Beato did a really good breakdown of the musicianship in this one and in particular he shows you how to count it. I have a feeling learning the way to count the beats will help it click
Reign Survives agree. Rick did a great job.
Once you catch the count it’s hypnotic.
It’s just alternating 5/8 and 7/8.
Coolest bit is to visualize it. It feels like you have two people opposite of each other pushing a pendulum at each other. So it feels like it fits the schism concept of two people pushing back and forth.
"Cold silence has a tendancy to atrophy any sense of compassion" between anyone! So true.