Where are the Paleoindian Sites?
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- Where are the Paleoindian sites? Paleoindian sites that are buried in stratified deposits are difficult to find. The best sites are deeply buried. Deep archaeological excavations are labor intensive and expensive to conduct. Proposed is a mechanized method for deep archaeological testing. The PaleoDigger machine has the potential to significantly reduce the cost of deep testing and greatly increase our chances of finding deeply buried Paleoindian sites.
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As a native I appreciate you not only showing interest but also exploring and finding new artifacts of our history, artifacts the world would have never known about with out you
Thank you.
I dont mean to be so off topic but does anybody know of a method to get back into an Instagram account?
I somehow forgot my password. I would love any tips you can give me.
These people weren’t you lol
True. Learning more helps fuller understanding.
@@respectknuckles428I don’t think many people realize that 😂. The people who left behind paleo artifacts were the exact same people lived in Africa, Europe, and Asia at that time.
I have ADHD and I was actually able to listen to every single word that you said. Very well done! Good narrating.
My wife says I have ADHD!
I wish a man who went to my old church was still alive to see this. He would have been facinated. He died over 30 years ago. He owned property near the Ohio River and he had a huge collection of indian arrowheads and paleoindian flints he found on his property and along the river. He learned as much as he could about them, and enjoyed displaying them and teaching what he had learned about them to others.
This is a true story of something I discovered at 10 years old. While camping alongside the Juanita River with my family, I remember sitting in the shallow water while playing at the rivers edge when I noticed a darker colored approximately 8" precisely cubed stone in with other rocks. Still sitting I pulled it out of the water and set it on my lap and couldn't believe what I was looking at. There carved into it was row after row of various symbols going left to right and top to bottom with each row being separated by a solid line. At the time I really believed it was Egyptian hieroglyphics. I think each side had something different on it.. maybe, but I can't remember no matter how I've tried nothing new will come. The only other details is I remembering in the first row a symbol maybe shaped like a pine tree, one like a bright sun and another as dots and crooked lines? I don't know for sure. I only remember being excited as I went to show my parents expecting the same excitement, but was disappointed when nobody cared. I put it beside one of the legs of the picnic table with intentions of taking it home when we left. A few days later we left and I remembered it about a mile away. My dad would not turn back no matter how I pleaded. All these years later I still have no doubts something important was found and I let it slip through my fingers. Nothing has caused me greater regret. I've always hoped maybe it would resurface and I could see it again. It's possible it could since I can't imagine somebody finding it and not taking it, but if not by now it's back in the river, but maybe not so far away as you'd think. Now, in your experience has anything similar or even vaguely familiar ever been found you know of? Thanks
Yes, I have a fragment of a stone gorget with rows of triangular symbols that was found along the Juniata River in the 1930s. The symbols likely only had meaning to the person who made them. There are a number of petroglyph sites in Pennsylvania were pre-contact Native Americans carved symbols and figures into the surfaces of large flat rocks. Three of the best known sites are the Parkers Landing Petroglyphs, Indian God Rock, and the Safe Harbor Petroglyphs. You can Google each to fine pictures and more information.
There is Jer! Good to see you here Sir! 🤍
Excellent speaker sir, concise and to the point.
He's taking arrowhead hunting to a whole other level.
This went way deeper than I expected !
I see what you did, but it looks like I'm the only one.
Terrific idea here. Looking forward to finding out more of what you're finding out, and eager to see this adopted in other regions too as the interest in paleo America grows. Cheerio.
Outstanding! Necessity is the mother of invention. My grandfather was an inventor and he only did it out of necessity and it turned out to be something that revolutionized the industry he worked in and has changed many lives. I strongly applaud you and encourage you to keep doing this. I think it’s a great idea. I am an amateur archaeology and an ancient history enthusiast myself. I recently found artifacts literally eroding out of an embankment in the neighborhood where I live. I am mediately took a couple of the artifacts to an archaeologist at a nearby Native American studies center and the man there told me they were indeed worked stone artifacts but he wasn’t sure how to date them because they were very old and did not fit a “profile “. So, not in the least bit started, I have continued to visit that particular place and several others in the neighborhood where I actually live and I have found literally dozens of pieces of waste flakes, Deb Ataage, broken tools and signs of hunting and tool manufacturing on the property. The local tribe were the Catawba Indians. They still live on the reservation which is very small now about 10 miles or so away. Speaking to one of my friends who is Catawba he told me his people have been here for a very long time and he would be interested to see what I find even though he’s not really an archaeology buff :-) in my case, I don’t have access to funding or tools other than sharp sticks and antler pics which I made myself because they don’t hurt the artifacts when I am trying to coax them out of the ground. I have made a point of measuring how far down in the strata of the embankment these items are located to get a better idea of how long ago they would’ve been deposited there. What started out as some thing I found by chance when I was walking my dog has now become a bit of a project. I’m trying to get people involved but it’s hard to get people to disengage from what they are already doing and open their mind to the possibility of a place where a hunting and settlement occurred a very long time ago that predates what they believed previously. I’ve only seen the tools that I have found so far in books or on videos about archaeology and much more ancient places such as Africa Asia etc. I think it’s about time we identified that north and Central America have a much older history than we previously thought. The Native Americans have been here for a very long time and there were once great civilizations throughout all the Americas in which these areas flourished before those civilizations fell and time eroded away all the memories. I think this is a great idea and I look forward to seeing what you find.
That was an excellent presentation and an awesome invention! I think we need more people, educated, and involved in fieldwork and preservation/conservation.
Growing up on a farm in Michigan, my father had found a few arrowheads in the fields. Now a senior, I have been researching who were the Paleoindians and was so surprised to discover they were Asians in the Beringia area near Siberia, who crossed the land or ice bridge, 14,000 into Alaska during the last ice age! This history is so fascinating, now after studying the tools these Asian ice age people made, I have found stones I believe they used for grinding, napping, scraping etc. The Paleoindians were so creative and knew survival skills way beyond us today!
I'm 59 years old. Found my first arrowhead about 10 years ago. It has become the most addictive hobby you can imagine. Sort of like a grown mans Easter egg hunt. I'm in southeast Oklahoma and I love walking creeks to both look at the gravel but also the eroded banks for flint shards. Trust me when I say I am an amateur but I have found dozens of camp sites that way. When I find a campsite I get out of the creek and dig with shovels and it has paid off very well. I have never found any paleo points but I now have over 100 beautiful artifacts. Every time I find one I marvel at the craftsmanship and ask the question, "Who were you?" Were you a man or a woman? Did you have a family etc? I would give anything to know exactly how old it was and meet the person who made it. They were no different than you or I, just lived in a different time. I can literally spend an entire day digging and it's so relaxing and fun. Glad I got into this hobby.
Exactly, once you see the workmanship and learn how the stone was converted into a useful tool, just can’t stop at one. Happy hunting!!
Awesome! I look forward to seeing more of your channel. I’m an artifact hunter from Texas. Keep digging!
Texas has some of the oldest sites and very deep river sediments. Google the Gault site if you are not familiar with this PaleoIndian site.
I enjoyed the video. Here in Louisiana I've read that we supposedly have the highest number of artifacts per acre than anywhere else, however we also have the fewest number of confirmed Clovis points. They have been found but only a handful and there are no known Clovis campsites. I hunt artifacts on a creek that was heavily occupied from transitional paleo (San Patrice) all the way up to historic and there are some steep banks where I'm sure tons of artifacts have been washed into the creek but the bottom is deep and muddy. I would love to come up with something like that auger to lower down there and pull some samples off the bottom
I too am looking forward to viewing the results on your channel. Good job!
Outstanding! I live in southern Lancaster county and have collected many beautiful tools that you’re talking about. Most of them are from sites that are being excavated for construction of homes. One specific site I have pulled hundreds of artifacts! It’s just not easy finding information about them, you mostly hear about arrowheads. Thx for posting!
Excellent summary and keep up the great work - sounds in line with the woefully understudied pre-Clovis period (kudos to Graham Hancock as well). Looking forward to reading more!
Really enjoyed this!!!
Dude you're awesome. Keep pushing!
Brilliant! Good luck and let us know.
Interesting! I need to watch the rest of your videos and catch up.
Dude....Sir. You Rock. This is Great. Thank You
excellent idea. i hope you can get more people on board. there has been so many sites destroyed or covered up in my area its ridiculous.
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Love your work!
Excellent tool you invented!
Super cool!
nice.......beats the crap outa the surveyors probe and hand-shovel...........can't wait to see more................................................many love, much props
Love your passion...hopefully your auger becomes a standard when looking for paleo sites😎😎😎
The PaleoDigger machine is up an running and going through a series of trials and refinements. Two weekends ago we dug four test holes on the Slickerman Bottom Paleoindian site located in Somerset County, PA. We didn't find any prehistoric artifacts. The stream that runs through this site is small and the soils and sediments appeared to be too young. The steam sediments were 1.3 meters deep. The owner of the property said that the Paleo artifacts were found above the flood plain on the hill slope. We didn't dig in that area because the artifact bearing soils in that area are only as deep as the plowzone. This was an important test run. The experiment provided much needed data on how much soil the prototype screen system can handle. Now I can do some calculations and build the upgrades to the needed dimensions. We also determined that the machine has good vertical depth control. It can easily remove soil in 5 cm levels. I hope to have a new video sometime this fall.
Exactly how and where I find my paleo artifacts here in Louisiana. I look for old channels of the creeks and rivers. Where erosion has not been able to wash the elevated areas. Youd be suprised of how shallow some of the paleo artifacts are in some areas
Absolutely Incredible, Thank You!
Subscribed. Ill be excited to see the work as you progress. Im attempting to slowly become full time hunting for artifacts.
Don't miss the old artifacts , if you have facebook look up dennis wallace with stone arrowhead it won't let me post it here?
@@arasethw ok!
Go for it man and good luck !
You sir are a visionary!!
Cheers from Brazil! thanks for sharing this video!
Solid work
Very inspiring!
Brilliant!
You have my attention...and subscription 👍🤠👍
Im down. good job . congratulations man .
Amazing how there are so many artifacts beneath our feet. Most of us have no inkling of the people who made them. I'm glad this man is bringing this civilization to ligh5.
I've watched this video 3 times it's so inspirational
Thank you awesome
Great idea... !! Basically a bucket sampler GeoProbe.
Yes, 34 times bigger by soil volume than a hand operated bucket auger.
Awesome
I’m from the eastern PA/west Jersey area. Do you find that the paleo-Indian projectile points are mainly Jasper where you are? Over here jasper is rampant as long as chert. Paleo-Indian artifacts are still being uncovered here! This past year has been fruitful hunting along the Delaware and Musconetcong. Great video!
Most of the fluted points in Western PA are chert. Local cherts were used, but more often they were made from Ohio cherts. I believe the fluted point in my video was made from Delaware formation chert quarried along the Scioto River in central Ohio. Some Paleo pieces of Indiana and Kentucky cherts are also found here.
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Great video, I personally use a vertical trench method where l undermine the suspect area and carefully screen the contents . I can move a few yards of material in a hour or so , I like your auger but it does kinda make me cringe at the thought of it hitting an important piece like a huge Clovis but whatever works for you is great not here to criticize anyone. We have burned rock middens here that are easy to find with a trained eye , the Paleo sites are much more scattered and elusive here . Keep up the great work and preservation !
When doing archaeology as a hobby, most people dig where they know they will find something. These are usually known site locations.
In contract archaeology, we test dig an entire area whether there are known sites or not. The purpose is to prove that sites do not exist in the area that will be under construction development. Large areas need to be covered quickly. When paying a crew, hotel rooms, per diem, and travel expenses, the cost of doing archaeology gets very expensive. This is especially true along streams and rivers where the soils are deep. Costs increase exponentially with depth due to safety concerns. For excavations deeper than 5 feet, we need to use wall shoring to prevent the sides of the pit from collapsing in on workers. Alternatively, we can expand the excavation pit so that the walls step down, but this means moving more soil for each test pit. This is why so little excavation has been done in the deepest river sediments. The PaleoDigger machine does the deep testing efficiently without the added costs associated with hand excavations.
@@archaeologyx4988 For sure .Awesome l actually dig in places where there’s no evidence of a habitation and get lucky sometimes.👍
@@archaeologyx4988 That’s super cool ,have you made any exceptional finds yet ? That totally makes sense but you see videos of the archeologists using a trowel and brush to dig ....l like your style.👍
We divide the process up into Phase I, II, and III. It varies between states. For Phase I in Pennsylvania, we dig 57 cm (22 in) diameter shovel test pits every 15 meters (50 ft) across the survey area and screen the soil for artifacts. This is just to identify where there are and are not sites. The project area is sometimes hundreds of acres. If a site is found that is potentially important then we move to Phase II by digging more test pits to delineate the boundaries of the site and to see if there is any evidence of storage pits, fire hearths, and other features buried in the ground. Phase II uses shovel test pits and some times larger test pits dug with trowels when features are found. If the evidence found during Phase II determines that the site has exceptional research value than a Phase III excavation will be designed to answer a set of research questions. Phase III is the tedious hand trowel and brush archaeology that most people see on television and in videos. My machine is for the Phase I part when we need to dig through a lot of deep test pits just to determine if there is a site present.
@@archaeologyx4988 That is so cool l wish l could get paid to dig . Here in Texas we have very prominent burned rock middens that are scattered along creeks and rivers especially if there a natural windbreak from the north with a southern exposure there will almost always be a campsite.l like to dig from left to right using the horizontal clearing method taking twelve foot wide passes .Thanks for sharing my friend. 🙂
Very impressive fabrication of the bucket auger.
You rock!
I am originally from Somerset County and visited sites along the Stonycreek from Pius Spring in Berlin to Lake Stonycreek. I am interested in knowing the location of your family farm and the scene with the Stonycreek in the background. I would like to visit the area some time in the future. I have found some artifacts on islands in the Susquehanna River.
Our farm is south of Stoystown. My surface collection of the farm was so thorough that it is nearly impossible to find any artifacts today. Most of the background scene in my video was surface mined in the 1970s and 80s. The site where my father found the fluted point base is no longer intact due to development. My interpretation is that the fluted point was redeposited by Stony Creek from another location. The sediments were too young to be an actual Paleo site and there were no other artifacts associated with the point. The point surface has a light polish from moving in the stream sediments. This is an example of how the stream channel moves back and forth across the valley bottom, and in that process older sites are eroded away. The dislocated artifacts get redeposited or are lost to the stream channel.
Cool .I know of a few Paleo sites.
I know three in Northern Indiana some 30 miles separates. You find mostly broken ones but I've found 2 whole ones. 1" to 1.5" in length.
Have you considered vacuum hydro excavation techniques for archaeological test hole drilling? I believe that hydro excavation technology could be adapted to provide fast and effective screening for artifacts and general soil typing at greater depths. With a precisely controlled flow of water and vacuum one could extract throughout the strata a slurry to identify aggregate,soil type and organic matter. A screening system would wash anything that is brought up to be extracted at intervals. If you like the idea let me know. I imagine this to be a scaled down version of a vacuum excavation machine on tracks, not unlike the drilling rig in your video.
The problem with hydro-vac excavation is that it mixes soils between levels and smears the vertical walls of the test pit. A lot of effort and attention is given to documenting and interpreting the vertical stratigraphy exposed in the walls of the test pits. My perspective, however, may not be entirely valid.
Your idea may have merit and is worth exploring further. My machine goes against traditional wisdom in archaeology as well. Going against tradition is how disruptive technologies are found. Think of SpaceX, Tesla, and other pioneers of new technology. Just ten years ago, high performance electric cars and re-usable rockets was crazy talk.
An archaeologist in New Brunswick Canada has invented a machine for archaeology that works very differently than mine. She has achieved impressive results with her machine. There is more than one solution to this problem.
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I would love to do these things! 🤗
Very neat stuff. I’m a artifact hunter as well and have areas where I find paleo points. I thought about probing as deep as I could go to see what I come up with.
Where paleo artifacts are found on the surface, it is likely that all or most of the paleo remains were churned into the plow zone. The deeply buried paleo sites will only be found in river sediments or more rarely in rockshelters. Only later period artifacts will be found on the surface. This is why they are so hard to find. There are sites along the Ohio River where the Early Archaic period artifacts are found at depth of 25 feet.
@@archaeologyx4988 Our End Moraine artifacts are 3 to 6 feet under the topsoil and found along road cuts as well and tree root have put some in suspension in topsoil but we have tons of artifacts . VIEW if you have facebook, look up dennis wallace with stone arrowhead it won't let me post it here?
One of the sites I hunt was an island out in the middle of a cornfield. Kind of a peat field. All dried up now. But the site is a little bigger than an acre and once you are off it you don't find anything. I found a Scottsbluff and a few plainviews and a few broken ground... basal thinning points. Some really cool knives. I have some points the meterial traveled a few hundred miles from the quarry.
good hunting
Hey I have a site thatd paleo and have found archaic trans dalton dalton Hardaway and amoes w a lithic source and on a stepped feeder creek the bank at the spring had eroded and exposed camps.its in Westmoreland county.any way to contact u.
Dalton/Hardaway points are rarer than fluted points in western PA. brian@quemahoning.com
Can you tell me the date/issue of that National Geographic magazine? I couldn't catch it on a screenshot.
National Geographic Vol. 156 No. 3, September 1979. I was thirteen years old and still have my copy.
Are u hiring? Loved it...when do I start?
Paleo points found in Indiana, I've found in Starke, Pulaski, Laporte counties . But haven't found them in the surrounding counties.
I found a paleo site on the Delaware river in pennsville new Jersey. I have artifacts in my
Collection.
The Shawnee Minisink site is located along the Delaware River. The Paleo level is nearly 8 feet deep. It was discovered in 1972 by amateur/advocational archaeologist Donald Kline. My understanding is that Kline was determined to dig down 10 feet regardless of whether he found artifacts or not. If this site had been tested by professional archaeologists as part of a mitigation (CRM project) I am not sure the Paleo levels would have been discovered. I suspect that we are missing the deep sites as a result of our current methods. Dig Deeper!
@@archaeologyx4988 i found a site on a bluff.on the Delaware river. In Salem county. New Jersey a cliff 8 ft.deep .artifacts at the bottom.
Want to see some of them .
@@archaeologyx4988 i am the only one who knows about this place.
“37 meters in diameter”? I think you mean centimeters.
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Holy shit, this is the future of Phase 1
At least for the deep sites. Archaeologists are very conservative when it comes to field methods. It is taking time to get everyone on board with this new way of doing archaeology, but once they see it at work in the field, the machine sells itself. I have completed jobs in Pennsylvania and Virginia. Finding projects in Ohio, Maryland, and New York is my goal for this year. And Texas!
@@archaeologyx4988 Those of us carrying screens and shovels are watching...
I live in south central Iowa and I’ve always been told that on the Highway that runs north out of town that as a road crew was cutting a new road for a bridge on north side of the river bottom that they ran into a Mammoth or a Mastodon. The remains are now held at the University Of Iowa. I have always wanted to know if the remains show any cut marks made from humans. Why? Because in this exact area I personally know of two whole Clovis points that has been found within 200 yards of the remains and one broke and I have a base of a Clovis that I found to the west along the same river that the remains were found on maybe a mile from the site the remains were found. Sure it could just be a coincidence but if it is it’s one heck of a coincidence.
Close associations between Clovis finds and mammoth or mastodon remains occurs elsewhere, often enough that it probably isn't coincidental. The first Americans were attracted to the same places that mammoths and mastodons were attracted to. Was it because the mammoths and mastodons were there at the same time as the humans, or were the humans attracted to the other animals and plants that occurred in these resource rich settings after the mammoths and mastodons were gone? This is a tough question to answer. Both possibilities are sound reasoning. The archaeological evidence needed to resolve this question is lacking.
It turns out that Dan Gable demolished the Mastodon while training.
Have you seen faces in the Stone yet? Found photorealistic portrait, painted on hand axis and arrowhead shaped stones in North Carolina. It’s causing quite a fuss!
I have a fluted point carved from wood that has fossilized. Unfortunately only the bottom half, still looking for the tip
Native Americans used fossilized wood found in southwestern Pennsylvania to make stone tools, but these are rare because there was only a small amount of fossilized wood here. This chert or flint is translucent gray to rootbeer color.
I live Ross county shawnee county i find Most Tools I found are not Shawnee but paleo and I just found a pain pot that was made by Indians in southern Kentucky
There are points of this sort in receding shorelines on islands I will not name but are within the Chesapeake bay proper.
Hi Hugh, Yes, I am aware of these sites. Archaeologists at the Smithsonian Museum are working to document the sites along the Chesapeake shoreline. Some of them are appear to be pre-Clovis.
@@archaeologyx4988 some are made from minerals north of Rhode island. I'm not an archeologist but a waterman. I have some friends who began collecting items from their shoreline once a sea wall had given way to wave and storms. He has since given access to researchers. You may know who I'm speaking of but I would be talking out of class to in any way elaborate.
To a laymen such as myself the implications are astounding. I share a bond with those men harvesting in the same place as myself. I've even shot fish in tidal shallows with fiberglass and aluminum arrows.. I've lost many so maybe some day many moons from now? (:
At least one deeply buried Early Archaic site, dating to between 5,000 and 7, 000 years ago, was discovered in California's Central Valley It site (CA-Kerr_116) was discovered by two archaeologists (Fredrickson and Grossman) conducting a survey Buena Vista Lake. If early archaic sites are that deep, then one could assume the Paleoindian sites could be much deeper.
Why not use Geoprobe? Just sample more to make up volume?
Do the math. Keep in mind that the relationship between hole diameter and hole volume is exponential. Assume that you use a 64 mm (2.5 in) in diameter geoprobe. You would need to do 66 geoprobes to equal one test pit with the PaleoDigger machine. That means moving the machine 66 times compared to one move, and 65 more holes that need to be mapped. If digging and screening in 10 cm levels to an average depth of 2 meters that is 1,320 levels processed compared to 20. How many undamaged artifacts are you likely to recover in a 2.5 inch diameter tube?
I know we're one is out side las vegas on lake mead by codac folt
I have 3 tips:
1) arrange for an automatic robo-GPR , which can be used to scan fields and terraces;
2) study gridging as developed in geology: it solves how many cores you must take given the object density.
3) for soft sediments a (vibrating) suction corer cores up to 5 meter in one swoop using a drainage pipe.
Best
Hi Albert, GPR can provide information about the terrace structure, but it doesn't detect small artifacts. You have to dig to know what is there. Each state as established methods. In Pennsylvania, we dig a test pit every 15 meters (50 feet) on a grid. We will use 5 meter intervals when trying to define the boundary of a site. A vibra core machine is good for doing soil sampling and analysis, but the core diameter is much too small to collect and assess the artifacts. The volume of soil is what matters. You need a test pit diameter of 50 cm (20 in) or more. My machined digs a 52 cm diameter hole. Test pits 50 cm in diameter is probably the average size required in each state.
@@quemahoning For that size of coring I agree. And perhaps vibs of 12 cm diameter would miss larger objects. At the same time: it would be interesting to have automtic robots with GPR and other tools simply going up and down fields for reconaissance.
@@quemahoning Furthermore, I would like to congratulate you with the briljant presentation. It would be interesting to analyse the articles on European hunter gatherers. I get the impression that in Europe there is a little too much emphazis on trade networks, where your explanation -long distance herd following- is the more likely one for much of the observed variation.
Wow. This is great. It goes completely against the Land Bridge theory people. They did not believe in digging deeper. All my life I said countless times native Americans are the least studied people. Now they are finding older and older sites everywhere. They will not go past 14 thousand years or did. Past tense. Amazon, Mexico , Guatemala thousands of cities still not studied. Some of these places were far older than thought.
Hey I have a site in Westmoreland co.wanna help me find some stuff.im moving this summer so love to find some whole stuff.mostly paleo stuff..lots of effigies.chalcody this blue stuff is what the lithic reduction site is and there is also a jasper component..90 percent of what I find are fluted.clovid or dalton like..
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@@arasethw hey there I used to live in rochester n beaver Co.now im.over by Irwin..great hunting down here I'll send a mge later after work.
@@arasethw my email is johngetdoe9@gmail.com feel free to email me.itll be until bout 11 till I can get on fb..I'm n Westmoreland co..I used to live n Rochester and found cool stuff near brandys run..hmu I have lots of cool spots
Also just found some portable rock art.one side sabre tooth tiger other is a mammoth..found in a cashe with other effigies same time period all depict ice age animals
My property in nw Louisiana is an Indian site, a mound. I've found pottery, stone tools, carved stone effigies, arrowheads, carved teeth. They were smelting iron because i've found the leftover iron. LSU not interested. Every hill in my town has pottery and other artifacts.
Native Americans in a certain part of Central Mexico were begging to smelt iron just before the Spanish arrived. It is interesting to speculate how an iron age may have evolved in the Americas if Columbus had not sailed west.
beginning not begging
Graham Hancock sent me.
I’ve fished north eastern Pennsylvania. I hated coming back to jersey.
I worked on archaeological sites along Tunkhannock Creek in northeast Pennsylvania. Beautiful country.
Farm boy scientist, me too.
Farmer engineering. Building stuff and putting it to work was the best part of farming.
Want to know a good place to find points?
Just have to make sure you are allowed to do it but look in landscaping stone around businesses. They dredge from rivers & I literally found several arrow heads just sitting in the piles lol.
Good job. You must be an engineer. LOL
I'm not an engineer. I grew up as a farmer! We fabricated a lot of our farm equipment.
If nothing else you have invented a hell of a post hole digger . . .
Most post hole diggers scatter the soil around the hole. If you needed a post hole and didn't want to make a mess of your lawn, this machine would work well. I can collect the soil and remove it from the site without dumping it on the ground next to the hole.
Chances are that you are currently sitting on top of one...
I found an angostura at my moms house.
Central Idaho! I'am living in a mine field of artifacts in Idaho, found in Ohio!?
I'm just a common joe nobody. Doesn't the layer at which the artifact is found is needed for dating?
The amount of time passed, and Glaciers are the reasons most people don't find anything. Glaciers are just giant erasers moving across the land
Streams and rivers erase sites as well. The meanders in streams move back and forth across the valley bottoms, eroding away the banks and flood plains where the old sites are buried. In our short life spans it is hard to see the changes in the stream channel, but if you look at aerial photographs from the 1930s and even older maps, the changes in just one hundred years is significant. Over thousands of years, a migrating stream channel can have a big impact on site preservation. The older a site is the less likely it has survived for us to rediscover.
Sorry, once a member of a local Mineral Society and an Archeological Society I accumulated a plethora of Museum and University horror stories associated with Native American Artifacts.
A simple illustration: What Museum dumped three truck full of Donated Native American Artifacts into a landfill because "They needed the space"?
That's a travesty, somebody should organize a dig at that landfill!!!! A friend of mine in Wisconsin tried to donate his grandfather's collection to a local museum, and they turned him down saying they had enough artifacts, and he ended up breaking up the collection selling them piecemeal at a estate sale..........
@@thomasfoss9963 The museum that dumped em was The Museum of the Rockies and that was like 30+ years ago. If you join your local Historical Society one of the things you'll most hear about are the horror stories of private collections and Naughty museums. And some of the most appalling are what stupid, clueless heirs do to their inherited lifetime collections.
Translation- Give me money to dig up arrowheads
If you would like to checkout a unknown mississippian site I made a video on my channel showing one around my families land, its a big rock bluff with red paintings and 2 caves
Watched your video. Thanks for sharing. We only have one surviving red ocher pictograph in Pennsylvania. It is a bird within a circle on the roof of a rock shelter. Painted pictographs sites may have been common in Pennsylvania, but didn't survive due to the weathering of the rock surfaces that they were painted on. All the other rock art sites are petroglyphs that were carved into the rock. We have a large underwater panther petroglyph that was carved on a flat rock along the Allegheny River near a stretch of rapids.
@@archaeologyx4988 we were told this site is a shrine to the underwater panther God by a archeologist from Washington University, he took a bunch of pictures and put them through filters and got to see everything the naked eye doesn't anymore but I never got to see those pics which sucks
The software is called DStretch. You can download it for free at this website. www.dstretch.com/Apps/index.html
Here is the thing, you don't have to have a degree in archaeology to do real archaeological research. Here is what I recommend. First give the site a name. We call the site next to our petroglyphs "Panther Flats". Maybe Panther Bluff?? Get an inexpensive 30-meter measuring tape, the kind that you can reel back in with a little hand crank. You can use feet, but meters and centimeters are preferred. Also get an inexpensive note book, like a composition book. Both should be available at stores like Walmart. Use a pensile, not a pen. Pen ink fades with time. Notes recorded in pensile will last 100 years or more. On the first page of your notebook, write the site name and a brief description of your project, something like "Native rock art recording project", followed by a description of the site location, i.e. State, County, property owner, distance and direction from nearest road, etc. Then below your name and address. You want credit for your work. On the second page write contents at the top and leave the rest of the page blank for now. Number each page in a corner, front and back of each sheet.
On the far end of the bluff, find a point that is reasonably permanent like a rock, or insert a stake into the ground. Something that you can relocate in the future. This will be the starting point for your measuring tape. Stretch the measuring tape out parallel to the front of the rock face. Then begin with the first painting from your starting point. You can give it a catalog number starting with one. On the third page of your note book, first write the date and the weather conditions. Then write in painting or pictograph #1 and a description like the description you gave in your video. Make a note as to the location of the painting, i.e. on the front of the rock, under the roof, how high above the ground, etc. And also how far down your measuring tape from your starting point. Take several photographs and record the photo numbers in your book. Then move to the next pictograph and do the same. You can also make a map of the rock ledge on some block paper. Make sure to put your name, date, north arrow, and scale bar on the map. When you get to the end of your 30-meter tape, mark the location, move the tape down the bluff, and continue recording the rock art. Remember to add 30 meters to your new measurements. If it takes more than one day, start on a new page and remember to write down the date and weather conditions, especially overcast vs sunny because the light makes a difference in your photographs.
Once you finish recording the rock art then you can use the DStretch software. Compare the paintings in your photos to other sites to see if there are common themes with other rock art locations. Its a lot of work, but after doing all this, you will be the expert on this site.
Give it some thought.
Brian
@ArchaeologyX I can't subscribe to you. TH-cam won't let me.
I have no idea why it won't let you subscribe. I've never had that happen to me.
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Yeah go deep
Duh. They are defined deep. 1000s and 1000s and 1000s of years by a river would definitely be buried by flood water or washed away. Also the water tables were way lowers they were close to the water making them wash away or covered more easily. Also water ways moved or have been rerouted over 1000s of years. A River can change course in less than 100 yrs.
True but they can still be found. Chances are low but I can happen.
I never found projectiles as old as Paleo but found some sitting in a pile of landscaping stone that are thousands of years old & still intact.
I thought the ice age ended about 11,500 years ago after the Younger Dryas? And weren't the Paleoindians in that region actually Solutreans?
Yes, the end of the last ice age is marked by a warming trend at the end of the Younger Dryas about 11,500 years ago. Clovis (early Paleoindian) ended at the beginning of the abrupt cooling of the Younger Dryas about 12,800 years ago. Although some parallels have been noted between Paleoindian stone tools of North America and the Solutrean culture of Europe, the mounting genetic evidence does not support a Solutrean origin for Clovis and later populations. Solutrean-like stone tools have been found on sites along the Delmarva Peninsula. Two sites in particular, Miles Point and Parson's Island appear to be pre-Clovis in age, and possibly among the oldest sites found in eastern North America. Who were the inhabitants of Miles Point and Parson's Island and what was their connection, if any, to the later Clovis culture? We don't know. This is why we need to increase deep archaeological testing to find more of these old sites. Dig deeper!
@@archaeologyx4988 Thanks for the response. Are these sites older than Topper? Also, it's my understanding there's an DNA mutation found in the Native Tribes in the east not found in the west. I also find it interesting that there virtually no Solutrean sites in other regions of Europe. We know the hunted seals as they are represented in the cave paintings and it's not hard to imagine them following across the ice and landing in Chesapeake.
The genetics research is moving fast and hard to keep on top of. A good book on this topic is "Who We are and How We Got Here: Ancient DNA and the New Science of the Human Past" by David Reich, Vintage Books 2018. This book provides a good introduction on the science of ancient DNA studies. The most current ancient DNA reports that I am aware of are in recent publications of Mammoth Trumpet. Could there have been an exchange of lithic technologies without an exchange of genes? I guess it would be possible, but I think unlikely.
@@archaeologyx4988 Will definitely order the book. Keep up the good work.
Younger Dryas is a theory, not a fact. Far from being settled science.
a backhoe is cheaper and titanium is lighter weight
I often use a backhoe for geomorphology or geoarchaeology studies. I dig backhoe trenches at selective locations across a floodplain to expose and document the stratigraphy of the sediments. This is done before the archaeological studies. The soil and stratigraphy information helps guide the archaeological excavations. However, the backhoe is destructive and does not collect archaeological data in discrete excavation layers. Titanium is very expensive for use as structural components.
Like you said this is America, stop using the dam metric scale.
It is un-American to use anything other than British units! I seem to remember something about a war to free the colonies from the Kings who came up with the idea of yards, feet, and inches???? British units of measure are most definitely not American, nor are metric units. Our numbers are Arabic. Zero is firmly an Arabic word. I know that it is hard to
Archaeology uses metric units, as do all other sciences in the United States and around the world. A few archaeologists use decimal feet, usually for projects associated with new road construction because the engineering stake-out uses decimal feet. Civil engineering is the last holdout, but slowing making the change. You can do archaeology in feet and inches, but it is so much easier in metric, especially when working with digital survey instruments and computer based mapping. In my videos, my imaginary audience who I am speaking to is other archaeologists.
I know that it is hard to break away from long held traditions.
@@archaeologyx4988 Most of the people that come across your videos are people like me. That hunt blades and points for fun (some people sell) but are interested in learning more of the Clovis. I bought 24 acres in southern Indiana and I have found almost 200 points and blades in 14 months. Many different styles and time periods. But none from Clovis time frame yet, that I know of. And I haven't even put a shovel in the ground.
Surface hunting is a great past time. It is how I got started in archaeology. Southern Indian has a lot of good sites and good sources of flint. Two hundred is a lot of points to find. You must have a good eye for it. In the Allegheny Mountains where I grew up, you were lucky to find one in an outing. Fluted Clovis points are fairly rare compared to types from later time periods. Learn what the PaleoIndian keeled endscraper looks like. You are more likely to find these before finding a fluted point. In PA we find about 5 endscrapers to every fluted point. When you find a good candidate for a Paleo endscraper then focus more effort on that site.
Finding a point in a field like that provides very little evidence to analyze. That point could have been anytime. It’s a mistake to assume it’s a paleo point simply because of the style. People still make them today. It’s not beyond reasonable to hypothesis that native Americans from younger eras could have made them as well. If you didn’t find it while digging in stratified soil that can be dated your just guessing.
The fact that we do not find fluted points in younger sediments on stratified sites is strong evidence that later cultures did not make fluted points. Dating points from their shape and style is far from perfect, but it has been a fairly reliable technique that dates back to the 1930s when the validity of point typologies was demonstrated using statistical methods. Point type identifications from a non-stratified context that lacks associated radiocarbon dates is always taken with an assumed degree of uncertainty.
A meteor likely hit the ice shelf roughly 12,000 years ago. The natives hunted woolly mammoths and those were on the frozen tundras. The meteor instantly melted enough water to flood all of the northern parts of North America, washing away and wiping out almost all evidence of those people. Most of the stuff found is not in stratified soil for that reason. The rare things that are found were likely at first frozen in ice being deposited into newer soil layers as the ice melted at the end of the ice age.
The soils and geology evidence does not support your conclusion. Geologic events leave geologic evidence. Catastrophic events leave more evidence than non-catastrophic events. Sediments representing catastrophic floods on the scale that you describe do not exist along our streams and rivers. PaleoIndian sites dating to before the mass extinction with in situ artifacts have been found across the eastern US, in New England, and in Canada. The Shawneee Minisink and Meadowcroft sites are two examples in Pennsylvania. The Younger Drays glacial impact hypothesis is worth pursuing, but there was no massive flooding across the eastern US at the end of the Pleistocene.
If you go to college you can dig if not you go to jail. B S.
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There is no such thing as Paleoindian only Abbotts Epoch. There is no continuity in the stratigraphy. Look at the stratigraphy of the Koster Site in Illinois or the stratigraphy of Joffre Lanning Coe's excavations of the Carolina Piedmont. The Archaeologist have absolutely no deductive or analytical ability.
Just another looter.
Russ, if you had troubled yourself to take ten seconds to google my name (Brian Fritz) and archaeology you would easily have found that I am a registered professional archaeologist and principal investigator in a cultural resource management firm.
@@archaeologyx4988 A professional looter with a degree.
Okay. . . I'm listening. Help me to understand other perspectives. Why do you feel that way?
@@archaeologyx4988 Native artifacts are an irreplaceable resource. It doesn't matter if you're are surface collecting, excavating or using the weak excuse of learning. Once it's gone it's gone. I would guess that most of what you have seen was collected and is now in cases on your wall, in boxes or sold. Have you ever just admired, even photographed, took notes and put it back in it's original context and walked away? Most Tribes take the stance to leave these things alone and where they are at, have you ever asked them why? Plus videos like this promote looting, just read your comments on this and other similar videos.
Thank you for replying.
Yes I have left artifacts in place. I do not wish to possess artifact collections. It is the information and knowledge that the artifact conveys that I value.
I don't have cases of artifacts hanging on walls. Have never sold or purchased artifacts. In fact, I have expended great personal effort to prevent large collections from going to the auction houses. The artifacts that I do have are only in my possession temporarily, as they will be studied and then properly curated, most are historic artifacts.
I assisted the three Delaware tribes in relocating one of their historic cemeteries and repatriating human remains and artifacts. I have held consultation sessions with the Stockbridge Munsee and the Seneca. If you look on my channel you will see a video titled Hot Rock Boiling, featuring Kineora Two-Feathers, a member of the Lakota and Cherokee nations. I sought permission from Lakota elders before posting that video. I was taught to flint knapp by a member of the Shawnee nation.
We may never agree on many points of discussion, but I don't believe we are as far apart was you may have first thought.
Your comments and thoughts are always welcome here.
This is genius. This could change a lot of things, including those rushed CRM digs before building highways and buildings. Good luck, I hope you get a wider exposure to those that need to see this.
Yes it could change a lot of things in CRM archaeology, but it is really hard to get new ideas and methods accepted by the agencies that regulate mitigation archaeology projects. No one wants to risk having an excavation report rejected, so they stick to the traditional methods, even if it costs substantially more and risks workers by having them enter deep pits. Making the change will take time.