Dr. Christopher Moore
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- Dr. Christopher Moore examines the changing paleo-environments of the Southeastern Coastal Plain and the ways in which humans adapted to their shifting world many millennia ago. His recent publications include articles on identifying ancient animal blood residues from stone tools in South Carolina and Georgia, and the possible impact of a comet fragment at the end of the Paleoindian Clovis period. Dr. Moore has also initiated the White Pond Human Paleoecology Project examining evidence from geologic cores and archaeological excavations to link the early prehistoric human record with periods of climate change recorded in the lake sediments over the last 13,000 years.
People moved more freely and were more advanced than we give them credit for. WONDERFUL presentation.
The fact that "people weren't ready to accept" pre Clovis in archaeology makes me shake my head...... I live 10 minutes from the Adams site in Western Kentucky and we have many Paleo sites around this area. I personally know of at least 23 of them in a 20 mile radius. I hunt them for artifacts very often. I've tried to reach out to professors to give them the info I've gathered, but I've never gotten a response. It has always fascinated me and I've hunted artifacts (surface and creek) for the last 25 years. Thank you so much for sharing this video.
Why did you shake your head? You knew nothing. No archaeologist is going to spend time listening to an ignoramus. You'd have been able to pose any questions you had if you'd attended talks like the one posted here, but you never did.
It just shows the preexisting conclusion bias in "formal science". Instead of following the information, and determining if it is actually fact or spurious, mistaken, or misinterpreted, they reject it out of hand because it conflicts with their preexisting paradigm or conclusion. That's not science, its pseudoreligion.
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On the contrary. It exhibits the never ending search for truth based upon increasingly new information garnered by those with a thirst for that truth, but careful not to make the mistake of accepting what might well be the whimsical and spurious claims of pseudoscientists without thorough investigation.
removing artifacts in situ makes them pretty useless for academic study. why would they be interested in talking to you?
Excellent UPDATE in 2018. Blood analyses data new to me. Appreciate. I learned.
Younger Dryas is a fact now, as is pre-Clovis habitation in North America extending back as far as 50,000 + years.
I found unique artifacts which look like Mousterian and will send photos to someone in the organization.
Pre-Clovis peopling of America is likely. But it sounds like you don't know the archaeological record. The best evidence we have is around 20,000 years ago. There are a couple questionable sites that may have been suggested but they remain very controversial. There's some old sites in Alaska as well. Listening to Graham Hancock doesnt make you an expert.
This so cool. Been interested in the earliest ancestors of our species since I saw 2 tiny, postage stamp-sized photos of cave paintings in Lascaux, France when I was no more than 7. The more I know, the more fascinating the past becomes.
I don't know why it took so long for this to show up on my TH-cam feed. I did searches of Clovis People and points. There is another man who is interested in the mass extinction of the Megafauna. His work involves eliptical cratering which he believes to be evidence of an asteroid impact during the time period which you also posit. It's been a while ... this is just a side interest (a passion, of many, to me).
So glad this showed up on my feed. Hope your work is going still going well and you continue to make your findings & theories available to the rest of us who also share in your fascination. Thanks so much for posting this.
An excellent and enlightening presentation. Thanks for posting it.
It is good to hear you talk about the YD in realistic terms.
Great presentation on a fascinating subject, one would think there'd be many more views and comments, well done.
Where in Siberia did you find Clovis points as far as I know Dennis Standford said he didn't find them in Siberia!
This was a really fantastic presentation
Excellent job. Loved it.
And now we have proof of humans at White Sands 23,000BP.
I stumbled on this trying to find info on the artifacts that I have found. Thank you for the excellent presentation of early human life along the Southern Coast. I will contact someone in your organization.
Nice! I've been out of school a long time, so this is new to me. For all it's bad points, the internet is one of the best things to happen to humanity {does anyone remember encyclopedias?}, if we can keep it free from censorship.
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Awesome research
Even for a beginner like me, this was great information presented in a way I can understand! Thank you.
Very interesting! There don't seem to be many videos on TH-cam regarding eastern Clovis, even though supposedly there is more material from the east than say Texas and New Mexico. I have no idea how the algorithm managed to recommend this to me, and I wouldn't have known the subject if not for the thumbnail. I highly recommend changing the video title to better reflect the content.
I'd be very interested in more content regarding the immunological analyses. I very much appreciate that this particular team had artifacts from multiple strata analysed, giving a much better picture of changing ecological conditions through the lense of human utilization of resources. Previously, this was inferred from the changes in "toolkits" in stratified assemblages, but to have that backed up by blood proteins is just beyond cool.
How to flute a Clovis Point without breaking it: Take two slats of oak, shaped like they are cut out of a yard stick 10 to 12cm long. Pitch glue two buttons of wood to one end of each, four buttons total. wrap the tip of your Clovis preform in a one inch strip of buckskin/leather twice around. Wrap the two boards onto the point with the tip sandwiched flat and the buttons at the base, with a piece of string or cordage. Flute with an antler billet, works every time. Good luck everyone!
Hey Frank, is there a video of this somewhere? I was having a difficult time trying to visualize your description. I have fluted many points, but unless I keep the points really thick, I end up breaking them.
Cosmic impact deniers used to blame the early mammals for the extinction of the dinosaurs too.
Great lecture.
If you want to be a professional archaeologist, if someone says "it's impossible" make them prove it. If all they can answer with is "I'm an expert", run away.
I really enjoyed this, btw. Very interesting and informative talk.
This is awesome !
educational and enlightening
Nice. Tar River is home. Are there bays near greenville?
maps with big ice sheets on them should have the corresponding coastlines for the time. you cant put a few miles of ice on land without lowering sea level. tectonic plate movement also effects coastlines.
Thank you😎👍
you mentioned quarry sites; how far are the artifacts found from their quarried source ?
I just gotta say that, in addition to several issues pointed out by my fellow commenters, the image at 14:37 shows zero African elephants.
Monte Verde and Pilauco definitely pose a conundrum. Following BRMS extensively hasn't been done as far as I have seen but I'm game if anyone wants to HELP fund it.
I’m from asheboro iv found a beautiful arrow head transitional paleo point and very large spear type pieces that looked like it was for BIG game
After the publishing of this they have found a possible impact area in the N E Lake Huron ( Canada) and in N.
W. Greenland !
Source pls
@21:20, we had buffalo (Woods Bison) in Louisiana until about 1800, when they were hunted to extinction. There’s no reason to think that they weren’t in the Carolinas as well.
I wanted to yell that out! There were historic Georgia forest bison, so the later native Americans must have hunted them
Are there Carolina Bays around there?
Why are the Carolina bays and the idea of glacial ice impact not discussed??? thanks
probably because there is no evidence of glacial ice being that far south. Glaciers leave very distinctive markers of where they have been.
Antonio Zamora has some great videos about Carolina bays and impacts hypothesis Randall Carlson as well!
My family foot prints are in stone I have a picture of it the Cherokee place from the beginning
I am Cherokee paint clan and my stone is red
My people call it corn.
21:42 fascinating. residue on points... but none from extinct megafauna
They followed the food source alone the Bering straights as a land bridge when the animals were migrating to north america.
I would really love to know why European hunter-gatherers moving along the ice sheet in boats is such a controversial idea? I mean other than political correctness. You can either be a scientist or a propagandist, but you can't be both.
It's not actually difficult to conceive it at all. The sea was full of resources that the European migrants could utilize such as marine mammals, the great auks and fish, of course.
So few people in the audience.. :(
My stone is red Cherokee paint clan
This man sounds like Elvis giving a lecture 🤷♂️
I bet this guy is a life coach with a gambling problem. He just sounds full of it and confident.
Sounds like Elvis became an archeologist...nice voice LOL
Fluted Clovis points have a blood pocket so it can be easy to stab and poll out and repeated for to bleed out the animals your hunting
Who told you that?
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Critics of the blood analysis method claim that the tools have been contaminated with modern saber tooth cat blood :). You'd think that DNA analysis could also be used on these paleo tools.
i found a petrified human footprint in falls lake by raliegh and could show you and some Folsom spearheads 4 to 5 inches long in oxidized grayish brownstone
How can I get in contact with Dr Moore I have a new discovery in northern Nevada concerning pre ice age human footprints and possible culture or early human civilization on my land also found with the footprints several Hunter gatherer tools.
Regarding the extinction of large animals being caused by humans (all of my assertions come from study of European Cave Art and artifacts and are my own interpretations.)
•1st Extinction: Wooly Rhino. In Cave art, a meaning as clear as a red 8 sided sign is now: Stop; End of the line; There is no more. It is painted in the caves when there is nothing more to see. We, are far as I know do not know why the Wooly Rhino went extinct. My guess is that there were few to begin with and that the meat was good.
• 2nd Extinction, just a guess, The Spotted Pony. The pregnant female was the goal as prey because the hide of fetus was the softest and most subtle of all animal hide. This skin of the unborn Spotted Pony would have been surely used on newborn human infants. The cave room in Lascaux with the stencils of the Spotted Pony look so like the walls of a nursery as they might be painted today. This, to me, is surely a tell as well as are the other paintings specifically of Pregnant Spotted Ponies.
•3 and 4 The Cave Bear and Lion b/c of the dangers they posed. 2 interesting Cave paintings of what must have been a difficult and exciting kill. Clearly, in Spain and France, at least, caves were places that humans felt the need to control. Both the Cave Bear and Cave Lion wanted them as dens evidently. Unfortunately, here in Eastern America anyway, the caves, though present, seemed of no interest. I don't know why.
5) I think was the Irish Elk, next to face Extinction. It was a massive beast with a 6 foot rack. Oh, it was just too damned easy to kill. Animals today, beat a path to the water where they take a drink. Just string up sinew or rope in between the trees; wait for the animals massive antlers to tangle; let them exhaust themselves and move in for easy kill. On TH-cam, you can see creatures like Moose and Deer accidentally caught in rope swings and fencing and soccer nets. They are so scared and so many are worn out by being hopelessly caught. Our ancestors did this on purpose.
Now, this doesn't mean we are responsible for the extinctions. There are epidemics in animal populations just as we also experience; however, we clearly were interested in hunting these creatures.
Because there is so much less surviving art and artifact here in N.America. I know so much less of this place. The cave art in Europe survived. It was protected from the elements as were the many spectacular artifacts found within. These finds are 15,000 to 25,000 years old and may fill in some blanks here.
Clovis Points have interested me from the 1st time I saw a photograph of them. They are spectacular.
What happened to North Carolina archaeological studies? Why are they dismissing ancient sites that are found in the state. We’ve got ancient sites north in Virginia, tons of ancient side south in Georgia, but only one mound recognized here in North Carolina. I found another site right here in North Carolina because the state lines didn’t exist in ancient times… I am quite disenchanted with the entire archaeological departments in my state dismissing my claims despite the same artifacts being found at my site being found at their crappy website where half of their links don’t even work… The assistant to the state archaeological department is David Cranford… He denies the existence of ancient Americans, he says there’s no effigy mounds or anything in the state and refuses to even investigate findings. They won’t even visit the site to take a look. It’s up to me and the local native American tribes to fight for our own history. Here in America there should not be a thing… We should be on the forefront of archaeology but instead we hide it.
Oh yeah we’re not gonna include this part… What the fuck right from the beginning. I’m out
Yeah I bet they said you have a bunch of rocks!
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Western "Europeans" as we know them today didn't even exist until around 5000 years ago, migrating from the Steppes in the East all the way West to the Atlantic Ocean. Replacing the original mesolithic builders of sites like Stonehenge that were then reused by Neolithic Europeans we might recognize today. If there was migrations across ice bridges from the west, it wouldn't be Europeans as we know them. They would be more like Cheddar man or at least more like indigenous arctic people's.
Excellent video !
btw - (at 40:30) "Mrs. Clovis" from Mexico is pretty Hot !!! :)
If there were any mammoths here,they had to have hunted them. I think you have to be right about them being extinct here at that time,because any people that could kill a saber tooth cat with rocks tied to sticks could definitely do in a hairy overgrown elephant.
I'm sure they hunted them, just not to extinction.
Hell, they may have rode them for all we know. People ride elephants to this day. Mammoth Dozers. Older societies were much better at leveraging nature, today we worship technology.
@@rtod4 They could have rode them,not sure how probable lol
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Like this 😁
Years ago they found a site out west where Paleolithic hunters stampeded a herd off a cliff. Evidence showed that the hunters were only interested in the humps which contained mostly fat.
@@babyrazor6887 how many mammoth burgers a day times how many people lol I highly doubt humans hunted them and thousands of other massive beasts to extinction when so few humans even existed at the time and place lol!
Cherokee have always been here from the beginning
Dates are wrong as hell.
Citation?
Asteroid/comet impact. The most common explanation given by "scientists" for what doesn't fit their theories or they simply can't explain, from biology to cosmology to archeology.
I find it funny that someone with the name "Preacher Chris Christian" put the word "scientists" in brackets...
Do you have any knowledge in geology, astronomy, chemistry or archeology to refute all the data and conclusions presented here? I don't think so. and yet...
Here, I hear a real scientist using plenty of "ifs" and "maybes", because yes, this is real science, meaning when not 100% sure, we keep searching for more clues until we can prove it or find a more likely explanation.
God isnt real…. At least we “know” asteroids are.
god told me “scientists” are correct. I prayed (the right way) and that’s what He said. He also reminded me that he created “scientists”, and it’s all part of His plan.
12:59 "Cinmar" site - is not a site - it's the dredge pile pulled from the seafloor by the boat Cinmar - the mastadon skull and the clovis point (Stanford described as "solutrean") were not observed in situ - and even if they were - it was situ'd on the turbulent seafloor for thousands for years - therefore cannot be established by any science known as being contemporaneous - yet Stanford & Bradley contend that the stone shares the skull's radiocarbon dating - any hypothesis that is so sloppily based is too sloppy for science
solutreanists depended on pre-clovis sites on the east coast (hinting at european migrations) - but clovis first had been losing ground - by 2012 - surveys of archeologists had found that most of them no longer supported the clovis first hypothesis - the debate ended in 2021 - when clovis first was put to rest with the dating of human footprints found in White Sands Nat'l Park in New Mexico (near the west coast) - at 21 to 23,000 calendar years BP - so the pre-clovis sites in the east coast are easily attributable to the west coast migrants
What is unscientific is basing dates of occupation on lack of evidence. For science to be accepted requires rigorus testing of known indisputable facts. Common sense, on the other hand, is already suggesting that modern humans were on the continent at least 30k bp. Austrailian moderns were in Austrailia by at least 50k bp. The estimate of the African migration wavers between 60k and 120k bp. It is interesting debate, but lacks any real impact on moderns future. Moderns on Mars sure as hell aren't going to care about who's on first, only that the care package arrives on time. It's a moot argument.
If Martians wouldn't care - why do you - but if Martians did care - why would they pick common sense over scientific evidence
@@johneyon5257 Why would common sense not be homogeneous with scientific evidence? When it is proven (scientifically) that humans were in the Americas for tens of thousands of years more previously than thought, who will really be surprised. Martians will, however, take exception to the fact that Earthlings completely trashed the planet in just over 200 years. They won't need science to look back on that.
if your rant is an example of common sense - than all sentient beings should avoid it
Regarding the evidence shown supporting the younger dryas, much of that evidence has not been reproducible by other researchers, and that which was reproducible can largely be attributed to terrestrial causes. A good paper on the subject is “The Younger Dryas impact hypothesis: A requiem”
Try also the review by Powell 2022, "Premature Rejection" in the journal Science Progress
Can you read stratigraphy? There is no continuity in stratigraphy. Fluting evolves out of Mousterian Prepared Core. The catastrophe was an electrical Plasma exchange between Earth , Venus and Mars. Nobody came across the Bering Straight. They came across the Atlantic Ocean from Iberia and North Africa. The Ainu are remnant population of the Solutrean people.
Aliens too.
You're worse than the professor here. You're running like two or three major conspiracy narratives all rolled into one silly rant.
@@scottjustscott3730 You are living proof that anal sex produces ass hole babies.
Wrong
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Y’all can’t even get human evolution right… thumbs before vocal communication?-pffffft! You have it backwards! Animals all communicate through vocals long before they get conflicted and use their body. Body language came next, before vocalization, then vocals, THEN we figured out other stuff. Look at nature for your answers, it’s showing us evolution how it was before we became stupid cloth wearing funky monkeys! And trust me, animals can communicate with sound. Just because we can’t hear it doesn’t mean they aren’t making noises! Remember the elephants and whales! We can’t hear every sound they make, yet they communicate without us hearing them.
I really worry about this guy. 'No other known way to create nanodiamonds other than an impact? No. Nanodiamonds can be formed by a volcanic eruption as well as in fires.
Scarry when the supposed expert gets even basic knowledge wrong. He also brings up the Firestone paper which has long been debunked. 😂
Your department needs a new professor. 🙄
If you like to read Powell 2022 "Premature Rejection" than discuss...
BS
Here is an example of a very blatant logical fallacy and critical thinking error:
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""Platinum is very rare in Earth's crust, but it is common in asteroids and comets," says Christopher Moore, the study's lead author. He calls the presence of platinum found in the soil layers at 11 archaeological sites in California, Arizona, New Mexico, Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina and South Carolina an anomaly.
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See the problem? We KNOW that platinum is exceedingly rare, so incredibly rare, yet also a very important metal for technology. The only way on the world WE ON EARTH would put this much platinum in one place is if we were building something out of it. In fact, what would it be good for? Hmmm. Maybe the best metal to use for space travel? So... If an object from ANOTHER planet crashes into Earth and it's not ROCK but mostly Platinum and other precious metals... What do we conclude? Oh, that's normal for meteors.... What is evidence? Oh the last dozen "meteor' sites we found were also chock full of platinum... Yeah, that is as circular as a hula hoop. Come on!
You realize this really weird almost alien "plant" called MAIZE showed up at that exact location exactly when that platinum meteor hit?
You realize there is a "mystery" as to what every happened to a tribe of people (Clovis) and iconic local beasts near there that died out mysteriously around the very same time?
Why don't you look at other "meteor" impact site that just happen to be chock full of precious metals and where also there was some very strange biological changes in the local area at that exact. same. time.
kerr lake roanoke river is where i find alot