If you wonder why Battlefield 1 has VERY good graphics to this day compared to even BF2042 is because they used photogrammetry to make the textures of the game, besides that i would say that BF1 is better in every aspect of sound (environment, atmosphere, soldiers, guns, etc.) In terms of animations it is your choice, i don’t really like the tacticool reloads in a WW2 era, so i just prefer BF1 for being actually nice and natural, i think i would say the same thing about BFV animations.
Total clueless take... DICE *STARTED* using photogrammetry in SW:Battlefront and in BF1... It's not like they didn't use it in BF2042. The reason why BF2042 looks worse is bcs of the art style and bcs DICE lost all it's high quality employees right around BF5's launch...
Surprisingly, battlefield 1 has better graphics than Vanguard. The sounds are great ( not going to talk about Vanguard ), the reload is your choice, in my opinion, I like both.
@@modyphantom Not as natural as Verdun or Beyond The Wire, but Battlefield 1 being a AAA arcade shooter, it's understandably done for gameplay purposes, although it's not nearly as robotic as BF3 and 4's animations, but I still think the sounds and animations for BF1 are done well.
I’m still not seeing the “tactical reloads” everyone seems to be complaining about in vanguard…they’re just reloading the guns? How else should it look
@@lorankatoran8856 look at the m1911 for example, its not yet empty reload is a tactical reload, not too mention both hands on the pistol. During ww2 soldiers were taught to shoot all sidearms one handed
@@estianburger8709 hes keeping the mag. thats just how you reload a pistol without an empty mag. you dont wanna drop a mag that still has ammo on the floor. its not tactical, its just a non-empty reload
EA did many things wrong, but BF1 definitely wasn’t one of them. It looks like they had a team of historians researching about the weapons that they were going to put in the game, how they behaved, how they performed, what problems/particularities they had, like lifting the tip of the top round in the strip when reloading the Mosin-Nagant. The game was FUN and very well made. Now Vanguard, they should have hired the guys that did the research for BF1 (and V), the weapons are inspired by their real-life counterparts, but that’s about it, you can equip them with attachments that are almost surreal, .50BMG for the BAR, MG42-style 100 round drum for the Bren (the real one was a pan like the one used by the VGO in BFV). Warzone is fun, but they f-ed up history trying to make the WWII guns competitive with the Cold War and Modern Warfare guns. If COD ever goes to WWI, I hope that they will start from 0 instead of trying to make those guns match more recent ones (they will do something like Martini Henry 20-round .303 conversion or will make it fire the round that the Tankgewehr used to shot)
What annoys me is that vanguards animations are just ports from their modern games as they are using drills that werent taught during ww2 and only became standard in the modern era
Yeah, it's fucking lazy. These chumps are out of their mind if they think I'm going to keep shelling money for sloppy work. I'll stick with old or indie games before I buy another AAA piece of shit. Hadn't bought a COD since MW2, caved, bought Cold War, and was super disappointed. Never again.
I prefer it that way. If you stretch your arm out pretending to hold a gun you'll see all of your forearm and part of your upper arm. Battlefield 1 FOV makes if look like their elbows are attached to the shoulder and the rest of the arm doesn't exist aside from the wrist and hand, or that they are holding the gun awkwardly close to their face.
The thing is, it's more accurate that way. Some shooters depict all handguns as these fucking massive cannons. Hell, even the infamous Desert Eagle isn't as big as video games have you believe it is.
It's always bugged me that every bolt action sounds exactly the same in COD. Not the firing, but actually cycling the bolt. I've got a real 1903A3 made in 43 and it sounds and cycles completely different then my friends mosin m91-30 from 42. Mosins are a pain in the ass to cycle compared to something with a Mauser style bolt and have a unique sound all their own. Maybe it's just me but I've always loved the fact that BF1 animated the mosin's rough cycle compared to other bolt actions with smoother bolts
Reminds me of the Fedorov Avtomat we also saw. That thing gets shot like 9mm SMG but shots a 6x50 Arisaka or something like that. Beging the same caliber as the Typ 38 but the that surprisingly has a higher recoil that a fcking automatic rifle in the same caliber
on the same topic, i've always wondered why guns in games dont sounde the same as guns in real life. for example the swiss k31, in cw it sounds mechanical almost as it has gears but in real life it sounds more clicky, this just doesn't make sense to me.
Wait till you hear the firing sound the Arisaka in Vanguard makes with a suppressor. It's so laughable how a AAA game has such terrible weapon sounds in 2022.
I actually have a 1944 mosin myself. The smoothness of the bolt on mosins is kind of hit or miss. Mine cycles beautifully and flawlessly every time, while others take some more work to manipulate. And you are 100 percent right about the sounds. The mosin has a very distinct cycling sound that a Springfield does not, and vice versa. COD's just gone down the shitter.
It's actually a weird mix of models and parts. Late M1928A1 fire selectors, M1 Stock/Grip, M1A1 sights, M1928 drum magazine, and for some reason they made the drum the default feeding device. It's just lazy and idiotic. The different Thompson variants (Prototype/Annihilator, M1928, M1928A1, M1, M1A1)could have been customization options, along with the same logic for other weapons to use variants of their respective models (for example, the M1918 BAR, M1918A1, M1918A2, FN Model 1930, Colt Monitor, FN Model D are all variants of the M1918 Browning Automatic Rifle, and all of them were used during World War II), instead of slapping random garbage on them and having no idea what cartridges fit in your weapons. But then again, if they had an actual historian and a historical weapons expert on the team, they could have had a good game. Rant over.
@@punic4045 huuuuuu no that reload is completly impossible the WW2 era Thomson had a rail to Gide the magazine from under the gun and TRUST ME when i Say it was long and painfull to reload
In COD vanguard, the soldiers seem to “palm” the bolt, that is push it with an open palm, whereas soldiers were nearly always told to grip it more like a pencil. At least this is the case with British/Commonwealth soldiers with the Enfield.
@@furnox7858 the thing is - before BF3 it was mostly a niche PC game with a lot of really cool mechanics and unique gameplay. I'm not saying BF3 is a bad game - I personally really like it, but since BF3 they were trying to compete with Cod and borrowed many elements from it. BF2042, for example, is really similair to Black Ops 4 (no joke, just compare them). Hazard Zone is an attempt to compete with Warzone. Oh, and TDM and Domination debuted In Battlefield 3 as an attempt to attract Cod fanbase. This competition made Battlefield really popular, yes, but because of it battlefield lost it's original face forever.
Very small detail but for the mosin reload vanguard uses the wrong style of stripper clip. Military mosin stripper clips don't have the tabs to retain the rounds like the modern reproductions they are just smooth like bf1. Also with a stripper clip Inserted on a mosin you can't push the bolt forward like a mauser.
@@zacaurelion7521 mauser clip guides are angled in a way you can throw the bolt forward and the clip will eject on its own. mosin clip guides are machined straight vertically so you have to manually pull out the clip
I think the whole point of vanguard was that they wouldn't have to modify anything for warzone. If they give shotguns removable magazines so they can compete with the MW and CW guns and make the character reload the gun in a modern way, they don't even have to try for their real cash cow.
I like how in BF1, they hold the pistol with one hand, which is accurate for the time. Vanguard on the other hand, uses 2, which wasn't really a thing until after WWII.
@@user-tzzglsstle585e38 Handguns were originally meant to be fired with one hand. What I don't know for sure is why they went to two handed. I would assume it was found to offer more stability.
@@TheGnarlyPigeon Two handed was something for stability, especially when accuracy became the focus in the weapon use. I’ve always assumed soldiers in WWII was taught to shoot one handed so they can use their sidearm while carrying something in their off hand. As Gaz once said in Call of Duty 4, switching to your side arm is faster than reloading your weapon.
the fact that pistols were mostly onehanded in the 20th century according to doctrine is a glaring mistake Vanguard has, although it has even bigger historical oopsies
I wouldn't say it's glating since most people are those with a general knowledge of history and therefore wouldn't know/care/pay attention to that kinda stuff.
I think both games has nice graphics, models and animations. But for guns sounds, I will choose Battlefield 1. In my opinion, the Battlefield franchise always had this advantage of having more realistic guns sounds than a lot of Call of Duty games (of course, except the first Call of Duty games and 2019 Modern Warfare).
Models: BF1, take it or leave it Reloads: Visually, i would like to choose Vanguard for its more realistic movements and shakiness. Sounds: BF1, no doubt. If it weren't for those muffled metallic screeching then i would probably appreciate Vanguard more. Final Verdict: BF1 wins. Also the reason why i chose Vanguard reloads is because the other judges (not in here tho) are saying "It depends on your taste" Stuff. I decided to avoid that and let out my honest opinion.
Going to say one thing. When you reload a double barrel with one bullet remaining in Vanguard, the soldier takes the spent one with his hand which is possible, but damn, isn't that supposed to hot asf?
something i noticed with BF1 that i really like is that they assign a random and permanent skin tone to all of your classes. my sniper is a black dude while my medic is a Sikh, and i really like that. it really adds a sense of personality to the franchise and really feels like is the "war for everyone". i suppose this also means that some people have all-white classes and some people have all-black classes not trying to be political, its just a cool detail and I'd much rather have this than the tacky system in BFV. edit: third time lucky
@@onejediboi it's for the US devil dogs too, just not including Sihk soldiers... i wouldn't be surprised if the Reichswher had Jewish soldiers since they had a rather large Jewish fighting force.
The fact that Battlefield 1 adheres to the one-hand pistol grip technique is what makes it more historically authentic than Vanguard. For those of you who don't know, the two-handed pistol grip technique (aka Modern Technique) wasn't developed until the 1950s.
I gotta give vanguard one thing. I can see the Izhevsk armory mark on the back of the bolt, and side of the bolt handle clearly on the mosin. I can also tell from where the screw on the firing pin nearly but not quite lines up with the notch on the bolt that they tried to model it as accurately as possible (Mine does the same thing, if you line it up it isn't flush with the bolt) compared to the perfectly machined groove on the bf1 mosin.
The Annihilator was too early for WWI, but still a fascinating prototype SMG. As for Vanguard, the player character holds the M1928 like the PPSh-41. Even when he reloads, he does a retention reload and never re-cocks the gun.
Bf1 wins at everything. Sounds: distinct and natural for every weapon Graphics: still looks better than most games to this day Reloads: aren't overly tacticool and feel human and natual.
I don't know if it's still in the game? but, there's one easter egg if you're in a very muddy terrain, the annihilator will jam half way if you're trying full auto and your character will try to unjam it(ie forcing it to cock it back harder) I hope that it's still after some update because its really 'realistic' in a way that it's enjoyable
Yes, Vanguard is filled to the brim with goofy stuff (like the 2h grip on pistols). But goofyness, and shit SFXs aside, the animations are pretty good and well made.
On the webley, bf1 has an accurate amount of spent and unspent cartridges flying out whereas vanguard reuses the animation for the empty and tactical reload
Animations: Vanguard as I have a personal preference to MW2019-esque animation style. Models: BF1's models still looked better, although it could have been the lighting. Sounds: Obviously not Vanguard, SHG is bad at sounds.
I've seen alot of people crapping on the machine pistol, but know that the full auto varient of the C96 was known for being pretty much unusable without a stock attached due to the recoil. The Mauser alone was unwieldy without a stock. So really vanguard should allow you to attach a stock to it. You can put stocks on machine pistols in the Modern Warfare remake.
My least favorite thing about vanguard isn't the reloads or sounds, but how they renamed guns that don't need to be renamed. What's the point of calling the luger the "klauser" or the Webley Mark IV the "Top break," or the Mosin the "three line rifle." There shouldn't be any copyright issues, they've been called by their regular names in shit tons of games with no consequences, even in previous cod games.
i dont know about the other guns but i know that the name "mosin nagant"" wasnt used in russia it was called the 3 line rifle m1891, and even then the rifle its based on in vanguard isnt the original m1891, its the carbine version the m38, nevertheless its still the same thing
The sounds in vanguard are shocking and why is the P08 called the klauser or the TT-33 called ratt to avoid copyright on company’s that don’t exist anymore
Battlefield 1 the guns sounds much more like real guns, in Vanguard looks like paintball guns. And BF1 also wins in graphics textures, reaload animation and Historical Accuracy!
ok, graphics and reload.....but historical accuracy? I mean, if we're comparing the accuracy of BF1 to Vanguard, we might as well compare the accuracy of smoothbore muskets made by blind men lmao
I have to say that BFI wins this video, but both games have some inaccuracies with the weapons. 2:33 The M97 Trenchgun in CoD not only has two hammers for some reason, but the rear sight of it is also wrong. 3:52 The Browning Auto 5 barrel is way too short 4:31 Thompson M1A1 couldn't allocate a 50 round drum magazine. 5:25 The Federov Automav's fire rates is too high. Should be about 300-400 rpm. 6:16 The Arisaka Type 99 recoil is a bit too extreme. 6:40 The clips on the Mosin Nagant didn't fly out as we see in BFI, nor could you remove it with the action of the bolt like we see in CoD. You have to manually remove the clip before feeding a round in the barrel. 6:58 Since this looks like an infantry variant of the Mosin, the bolt should be straight instead of melted down. Also, the recoil on it is way too strong. 7:44 Not sure why we are comparing a Gewher 98 to a Kar98k but oh well 8:13 The BAR 1918 we see in BFI looks more like an A2 BAR. The pistol grip on it is incorrect, but also the sights on it are also incorrect. The first BAR in WWI had no sight hood and the rear aperture sight looked more like the 1917 Enfield rear aperture sight. And in CoD, the grip is way too long, and the BAR1918A2 was not fitted with a carry handle in WWII.
COD seems to either make the hands way too large, or the handguns way too small. A 1911 is not that small compared to your hands. I have fired one many times, and it's not that tiny, and neither is a Luger.
I think the animation movement quality is better in vanguard. I’m Not talking about the actual style of reloading but the model’s animation rigs and the movements of the arms and hands. Hand and arm animation has always been the one week point of battlefield with a weird rubbery feeling to the movements.
We are comparing a 2016 game with a 2021 game... Chill... 2016, in those times all this tAcTiCoOl reloads and exaggerated screen shaking bs that mw2019 began was not even a thing, for a 2016 game these animations are dope, lets be fair, lets compare them to the 2016 cod game which was cod ww2 if Im not wrong, dude, bf1 obliterates it.
@@ChadSpittingTruth first of all cod ww2 animation quality was still better in reloads. Though that game released in 2017. The 2016 cod was infinite warfare which also had better animation quality. Second of all bf 2042 has the same rubbery ass animations while COD improved. And again I am not talking about the style of reloads (what you call tacticool) I am referring to the quality of animation on the reloading. This is something COD has always beaten battlefield at. (And it makes sense since battlefield puts into resources everywhere else in the engine.)
There's few inaccurate names for guns: BF1: Mosin-Nagant - Vanguard: 3-Line Rifle But in RL there was no mosin nagant in WW1, it was early version called "Tryohlineyka" (3-Line Rifle), but in WW2 soviets were using Mosin Nagant , not 3-Line Rifle. BF1: Gewehr 98 - Vanguard: K98 In real life G98 was early version of Mauser 98 and there was similar rifle called K98 or K98K, but it was completely diffirent gun. BF1: BAR M1918 - Vanguard: BAR In RL , at the end of WW1 soldiers were using first model of BAR(M1918A1), but it was not that effective as expected, so it was not sent to mass production. But, in WW2 soldiers were using BAR M1918A2, second and improved, more effective weapon and NOBODY was using M1918A1, but in Vanguard we've got BAR M1918A1.
In bf1 and actually cod ww2 the player holds the sidearms one handed which in reality the soldiers are actually trained to shoot one handed which is a nice touch in detail 👌
배틀필드 1은 1차대전 당시 무기 와 2차대전 당시 무기 차이는 그다지 없다고는 할수는 없지만 2차 대전 당시 여전히 다수의 1차대전 무기를 쓴게 한두번이 아닐겁니다.대부분은 퇴역되었거나 그냥 골동품으로 남거나 아니면 여전히 쓰이거나... 마우저 C96은 1차대전때 독일제국(제 1제국) 정확히는 오스트리아의 마우저 사에서 제작된 자동권총으로 최초인지는 아닌지는 모르겠지만 어찌되었든 이 권총은 1차대전 이후 2차대전에서도 여전히 사용한걸 보면 수량이 여전히 남아있거나 다른 국가에서 사용되는 경우가 많은데 이게 1천만정 정도 있는걸 보면 말 다했다.중화민국에서는 이걸 카피한 모델인 샨시 17식 권총이 있다.메탈 기어 솔리드 3 와 메탈 기어 솔리드 4에서는 에바의 기본 무기가 되는데 사실 이 권총에는 에바가 중국군 스파이라는 복선이 있다.실제로는 레닌이 홍범도 장군님에게 선물한 권총도 이것이다.현재 권총은 소실되었지만 권총집은 그대로 외손녀 김알라씨가 소유중이다. 루거 P08은 종전이 될때까지 써먹은 권총으로 대부분 장교들이 많이 쓰였지만 수량이 수량인지라 대부분 발터 P38로 교체되는 경우가 있지만 헤르만 괴링을 비롯한 일부 장교들 특히 무장 친위대 장교들이 쓰였긴 쓰였다.애니 헬싱의 소령도 루거 권총을 썼지만 당연히 사격실력은 형편 없다.대체 어떻게 무장 친위대에 들어간건지... M1911 콜트 권총은 말 그대로 1911년에 개발된 자동 권총으로 1차대전을 비롯한 2차대전에도 여전히 미군의 주력 권총으로 많이 쓰였고 소련에서도 랜드리스 되어 쓰이다가 나중에 이걸 토대로 만든 토카레프 권총으로 대거 교체 되었다.2차대전 이후를 비롯한 한국 전쟁 과 월남전에서는 우리나라 국군의 주력 권총으로 쓰이다가 나중에 K5 권총으로 대거 교체되었지만 후방부대를 비롯한 비전투부대는 여전히 콜트 권총을 써먹고 있다.이거 쓰는 필자는 콜트 권총을 직접 본적이 있었다고.. 윈체스터 1897 산탄총은 대부분 군대나 경찰 혹은 사냥용으로 광범위하게 쓰인 산탄총으로 위 영상에 나온건 Model 1897 트렌치건 모델이고 이후로는 전부 개량형인 M1912 와 M12 트렌치 건으로 전부 교체 되었다.위영상인 뱅가드에서는 초기형인 M1897을 썼다. 톰슨 기관단총은 1차대전 이후에 나온 무기이며 정확히는 종전 이후에 나온 무기로 위영상에 나온 무기는 프로토타입 톰슨 기관단총이다.총열이 수호이 나 따발총 처럼 생겨먹었지만 이후로는 아예 길쭉이 모델로 바뀌었다.뱅가드에 나온 톰슨 기관단총은 M1A1 톰슨이다.이것도 2차대전 이후에 한국전쟁때 우리나라 국군의 주력 무기로 쓰였다. 아리사카 38식 소총은 구 일본제국이 종전이 될때까지 우려먹은 소총으로 중일 전쟁을 비롯한 태평양 전쟁에서 일본놈들이 덴노 헤카이 반자이를 존나게 외치며 총검을 끼면서 존나 지랄맞게 개돌하는 그 소총이 맞다.종전 이후로는 우리나라 국군도 쓰였는데 정확히는 한국전쟁때 물자 부족으로 미군이 전부 압수한 구 일본군 무기를 어쩔수 없이 사용했던적이 있지만 엉뚱하게 북한군도 쓴적이 있다.당연히 물자부족으로..근데 반대로 뱅가드에서는 99식 소총을 쓰는데 이건 2차대전 당시에 나온것이다.99식 소총 역시 우리나라 군이 쓴적이 있는데 이것도 빨치산을 상대하기 위해 후방부대에 쓰였다. 브라우닝 BAR 은 이것도 1차대전 과 2차대전때 미군들의 주무기로 사용된 무기로 종전 이후로는 개량형 BAR로 대거 교체되지만 20발 장탄은 여전하다.당연히 한국전쟁때는 우리나라 국군의 주력 경기관총으로 쓰였지만 물자 부족에 허덕거려서 대부분 북한군 무기를 노휙해서 썼지만 인천 상륙 작전이 성공이 되어서야 그제서야 제대로된 보급을 받게 되어 사용되었다. Battlefield 1 cannot be said that there is not much difference between weapons during World War I and weapons during World War II, but it is still not once or twice that many weapons were used during World War II.Most of them are retired or just left as antiques or still used... I don't know if the Mauser C96 was the first automatic pistol made by the German Empire (the First Empire) in World War I, but anyway, considering that it was still used in World War II after World War I, it is often used in other countries or about 10 million In the Republic of China, there is a Shanxi 17-style pistol that copies this In Metal Gear Solid 3 and Metal Gear Solid 4, Eva is the basic weapon, and in fact, this pistol has a double line that Eva is a Chinese spy.This is actually the pistol Lenin gave to General Hong Beom-do. Luger P08 was used by most officers until the end, but most of them were replaced by Walter P38 because the quantity was quantitative, but some officers, including Hermann Göring, were used, especially armed guards.Major Annie Helsinki also used a luger pistol, but of course, her shooting skills are poor.I don't know how he joined the armed guards. The M1911 Colt pistol was literally an automatic pistol developed in 1911, which was still widely used in World War I and World War II, and was also used as Landless in the Soviet Union, but was later replaced by Tokarev pistols based on it In the Korean War and Vietnam War, including after World War II, it was used as the main pistol of the Korean Armed Forces, but was later replaced by a large number of K5 pistols, but non-fighting units, including rear units, are still using Colt pistols.I heard that I've seen a colt pistol myself. Most of the Winchester 1897 shotguns are widely used for military, police, or hunting, and the above video showed Model 1897 trenchgun models, and since then, all of them have been replaced with improved M1912 and M12 trench guns In the above video, Vanguard, he wrote the early M1897. The Thompson machine dagger is a weapon that came out after World War I, and to be exact, the weapon in the above video is a prototype Thompson machine dagger.The general fever looked like a guardian or a squirt gun, but since then, it has changed to an elongated model.The Thompson machine gun in Vanguard is M1A1 Thompson.This was also used as the main weapon of the Korean Armed Forces during the Korean War after World War II. The Arisaka 38-style rifle is a rifle that was brewed until the end of the former Japanese Empire, and it is the rifle where Japanese people shout Tenno Hekai Banzai and carry out bayonets in the Pacific War, including the Sino-Japanese War.Since the end of the war, the Korean Armed Forces have also been used, and to be precise, they have been forced to use all of the old Japanese weapons seized by the U.S. military due to a lack of supplies during the Korean War, but they have also used North Korean troops.Of course, due to lack of supplies...On the contrary, however, Vanguard uses a 99-style rifle, which came out during World War II.The 99-type rifle was also used by the Korean military, which was also used in the rear unit to deal with partisans. The Browning BAR is also a weapon used as the main weapon of the U.S. soldiers in World War I and World War II, and has been replaced by an improved BAR since the past, but 20 bullets remain.Naturally, during the Korean War, it was used as the main game machine gun of the Korean Armed Forces, but most of them were helplessly used due to a shortage of supplies, but only after the successful landing operation in Incheon was used it properly.
Holy damn cod vanguard is hot trash.... You know what is funny; The Activision claims Call of Duty®: Vanguard | The Best WWII FPS Game on their site, despite the game having 53% rating on google and 3.4 user score on metacritic LOL!
Love how the vanguard characters are using stances that aren’t accurate for the time they’re in, and that the 9mm pistols kick like a mule with a 2 handed grip, a 9mm para round has about 2-3lbs of recoil, where .45 has 4-5lbs. Which isn’t a lot.
@@nipplecream3099 It still works either way, but magazine insertion is way easier when the bolt is locked to the rear. And considering the BAR magazine is pretty fragile, I would want to put as little unnecessary strain on them as possible.
I quite like a few of the models and animations from Vanguard over BF1. In terms of sounds and sound design. BF1 cakes the take. I’d say overall. I believe there is no clear winner.
i feel like the biggest problem with vanguard's animations is that theyre treated like modern day guns youd find in the hands of an average soldier, which they arent. along with that, many soldiers from both world wars were somewhat ill-experienced with firearms, meaning they wouldnt quickly flick the magazine out of their pistol and slam a new one into the gun in the matter of one second with minimal movement.
in terms of animation, both games have problems with properly depicting weapons (BF1s C96 reload and the Combat Shotguns 2 hammers for example) but thats never been a big problem for me nor a deal breaker
they fixed the reload for the c96 in bf1 I believe. This is an old clip before it was fixed. Now vanguards "machine pistol" got it completely wrong with a detachable magazine.
@@freedoomer2524 and yet modeled like a C96. There is no fire selector switch on the left hand of the model in game (neither the old lever style or the push button selector), and it definitely isn't a Spanish Astra 900 series.
@@freedoomer2524 Nobody ever removed the fire selector off an Astra 900 or M712. And the machined lightening cuts are also that of a C96, as well as the internal magazine has a distinctive "toe" on the front which isn't present on the M712, the grips are off a WWI wartime commercial Red 9 C96, the hammer is an early type cone hammer (way too early for the M712), it clearly isn't an Astra because it lacks the cover plate on the left side of the frame and there are no pins visible, there isn't even a magazine release on the right side of the frame. They literally just took a WWI Red 9 Wartime Commercial C96 and animated it using magazines.
Honestly I feel that they should have done Vanguard as its own stand alone game and not included it in War zone. That way they could have made the guns way more historically accurate. I also feel they should have done what they did in the OG Call of Duty games and just made it as historically accurate as possible while it still being fun. Case in point, all CoD games set in WW2 literally were setting up the events that would lead to WaW, which would then lead into the first Black Ops game and Modern Warfare.
If you wonder why Battlefield 1 has VERY good graphics to this day compared to even BF2042 is because they used photogrammetry to make the textures of the game, besides that i would say that BF1 is better in every aspect of sound (environment, atmosphere, soldiers, guns, etc.)
In terms of animations it is your choice, i don’t really like the tacticool reloads in a WW2 era, so i just prefer BF1 for being actually nice and natural, i think i would say the same thing about BFV animations.
2042 probably has far less photogrammetry, but I think a big part of it has to do with scaling the game to 128 players. A sacrifice had to be made.
Interesting
Total clueless take... DICE *STARTED* using photogrammetry in SW:Battlefront and in BF1... It's not like they didn't use it in BF2042. The reason why BF2042 looks worse is bcs of the art style and bcs DICE lost all it's high quality employees right around BF5's launch...
Bf1 best Battlefield game
The only “tacticool” reloads from vanguard are like, 2 or 3 weapons. Other than that they’re normal imo.
Surprisingly, battlefield 1 has better graphics than Vanguard. The sounds are great ( not going to talk about Vanguard ), the reload is your choice, in my opinion, I like both.
I also like the animations on bf1 better, despite it being kinda robotic.
@@Nottagilla it's not Robotic but I respect your opinion.
@@Nottagilla they're not so robotic like kinda BF3/4 level, but they do their job well.
@@modyphantom Not as natural as Verdun or Beyond The Wire, but Battlefield 1 being a AAA arcade shooter, it's understandably done for gameplay purposes, although it's not nearly as robotic as BF3 and 4's animations, but I still think the sounds and animations for BF1 are done well.
It's the magic of frostbite engine
Sounds: BF1
Models: BF1
Reloads: BF1, BF1 had more human reloads unlike Vanguard where you have ww2 guns but with modern day OpErAtoR reloads.
I’m still not seeing the “tactical reloads” everyone seems to be complaining about in vanguard…they’re just reloading the guns? How else should it look
@@lorankatoran8856 look at the m1911 for example, its not yet empty reload is a tactical reload, not too mention both hands on the pistol. During ww2 soldiers were taught to shoot all sidearms one handed
@@estianburger8709 hes keeping the mag. thats just how you reload a pistol without an empty mag. you dont wanna drop a mag that still has ammo on the floor. its not tactical, its just a non-empty reload
bf1 reloads is too robotic and unhuman
@@Deiv. 🙃
EA did many things wrong, but BF1 definitely wasn’t one of them.
It looks like they had a team of historians researching about the weapons that they were going to put in the game, how they behaved, how they performed, what problems/particularities they had, like lifting the tip of the top round in the strip when reloading the Mosin-Nagant. The game was FUN and very well made.
Now Vanguard, they should have hired the guys that did the research for BF1 (and V), the weapons are inspired by their real-life counterparts, but that’s about it, you can equip them with attachments that are almost surreal, .50BMG for the BAR, MG42-style 100 round drum for the Bren (the real one was a pan like the one used by the VGO in BFV).
Warzone is fun, but they f-ed up history trying to make the WWII guns competitive with the Cold War and Modern Warfare guns.
If COD ever goes to WWI, I hope that they will start from 0 instead of trying to make those guns match more recent ones (they will do something like Martini Henry 20-round .303 conversion or will make it fire the round that the Tankgewehr used to shot)
I'm thinking that Activision Blizzard is now protesting by making horrible COD games.
If Activision ever went to world War they'd fuck it up by adding nydar sights
@@explodingbearz *puts reflex on 50bmg Martiny henry*
Knowing activation they will most likely add in a Glock 17 in a finishing move.
Oh, wait.
@@betteroywoth2445 funny thing, I’m pretty sure the Martini’s bullet size is 1 millimeter smaller than a 50bmg, don’t take my word for it though.
What annoys me is that vanguards animations are just ports from their modern games as they are using drills that werent taught during ww2 and only became standard in the modern era
They are new animations just using the same way of reloading
Yeah, it's fucking lazy. These chumps are out of their mind if they think I'm going to keep shelling money for sloppy work. I'll stick with old or indie games before I buy another AAA piece of shit. Hadn't bought a COD since MW2, caved, bought Cold War, and was super disappointed. Never again.
Like what were they thinking using modern tactical reloads in a ww2 game
@@theonurminen7064 The operators in game are supposed to be the people who invented it
@@bedebop3904 that’s a lazy excuse to explain shit clearly recycled from MW2019
I don't know if it's cause the player holds it too far, but the pistols in Vanguard looks so tiny.
I prefer it that way. If you stretch your arm out pretending to hold a gun you'll see all of your forearm and part of your upper arm. Battlefield 1 FOV makes if look like their elbows are attached to the shoulder and the rest of the arm doesn't exist aside from the wrist and hand, or that they are holding the gun awkwardly close to their face.
The thing is, it's more accurate that way.
Some shooters depict all handguns as these fucking massive cannons.
Hell, even the infamous Desert Eagle isn't as big as video games have you believe it is.
@@N-GinAndTonicTM yeah, it's like the same size as spray bottles
@@CIaudioPiccolo still pistol still looks too tiny
@@CIaudioPiccolo Preference aside, the proportions are fucked
It's always bugged me that every bolt action sounds exactly the same in COD. Not the firing, but actually cycling the bolt. I've got a real 1903A3 made in 43 and it sounds and cycles completely different then my friends mosin m91-30 from 42. Mosins are a pain in the ass to cycle compared to something with a Mauser style bolt and have a unique sound all their own. Maybe it's just me but I've always loved the fact that BF1 animated the mosin's rough cycle compared to other bolt actions with smoother bolts
Reminds me of the Fedorov Avtomat we also saw. That thing gets shot like 9mm SMG but shots a 6x50 Arisaka or something like that. Beging the same caliber as the Typ 38 but the that surprisingly has a higher recoil that a fcking automatic rifle in the same caliber
I think it's cod WW2 and vanguard that have the bad reload sounds
on the same topic, i've always wondered why guns in games dont sounde the same as guns in real life. for example the swiss k31, in cw it sounds mechanical almost as it has gears but in real life it sounds more clicky, this just doesn't make sense to me.
Wait till you hear the firing sound the Arisaka in Vanguard makes with a suppressor. It's so laughable how a AAA game has such terrible weapon sounds in 2022.
I actually have a 1944 mosin myself. The smoothness of the bolt on mosins is kind of hit or miss. Mine cycles beautifully and flawlessly every time, while others take some more work to manipulate. And you are 100 percent right about the sounds. The mosin has a very distinct cycling sound that a Springfield does not, and vice versa. COD's just gone down the shitter.
2:36 Damn. I sure didn’t know that the M1897 had two hammers…
Where the barrel shroud tho 😭
@@Undead38055 Having a m1897 without a heat shield is like having toast without butter
@@oatmeal147 exactly! What kind of monsters do that
@@Undead38055 for some reason, the heat shield is part of a specific barrel attachment
This is an old clip the m1897 does not have two hammers anymore
3:53 the shell is still in the chamber and the bolt goes forward for no reason
He used jedi mind tricks on his gun.
I like how the Vanguard BAR makes it look like the entire receiver reciprocates when you fire.
That was how soldiers got there teeth removed in the front. They’d just use the BAR to knock them out
The CoD Thompson is modeled after the American M1A1 which didn't take the drum magazines.
It's actually a weird mix of models and parts. Late M1928A1 fire selectors, M1 Stock/Grip, M1A1 sights, M1928 drum magazine, and for some reason they made the drum the default feeding device. It's just lazy and idiotic. The different Thompson variants (Prototype/Annihilator, M1928, M1928A1, M1, M1A1)could have been customization options, along with the same logic for other weapons to use variants of their respective models (for example, the M1918 BAR, M1918A1, M1918A2, FN Model 1930, Colt Monitor, FN Model D are all variants of the M1918 Browning Automatic Rifle, and all of them were used during World War II), instead of slapping random garbage on them and having no idea what cartridges fit in your weapons. But then again, if they had an actual historian and a historical weapons expert on the team, they could have had a good game. Rant over.
AND HOW THE FUCK DOS A WW2 ERA THOMSON RELOAD LIKE THIS THIS IS A CRIME
@@misschauffarde5112 tacticool mafia gangsters in WW2 makes complete sense.
@@punic4045 huuuuuu no that reload is completly impossible the WW2 era Thomson had a rail to Gide the magazine from under the gun and TRUST ME when i Say it was long and painfull to reload
@@misschauffarde5112 I know, Vanguard's Thomson reload is horrific. Not even mentioning the Panzerfaust reload.
In COD vanguard, the soldiers seem to “palm” the bolt, that is push it with an open palm, whereas soldiers were nearly always told to grip it more like a pencil. At least this is the case with British/Commonwealth soldiers with the Enfield.
Grew up playing CoD in the mid-2000s. Haven't looked back since BF1. It's really a timeless game and makes the newer CoDs look cheap.
Agreed
Oddball: bf1 makes newer CoDs look cheap
The whole CoD franchise: *TRIGGERED*
I hope u at least played modern warfare 2019, it’’s in the top 20 most sold games ever for a good reason
dude bf1 makes a lot of new AAAs feel cheap, even 2042
@@callumgodden57072042 is better than mw2 and mw3 but mw3 ain’t that bad
This Battlefield is that I remember not just some CoD wannabe
Bf is trying to be Cod since 2011.
@@Mannimarco_King_of_Worms cod with vehicles.
@@Mannimarco_King_of_Worms CoD FaNbOy XdXedddDdD
Sarcasm.
@@Mannimarco_King_of_Worms crazy how battlefield existed before cod.
@@furnox7858 the thing is - before BF3 it was mostly a niche PC game with a lot of really cool mechanics and unique gameplay. I'm not saying BF3 is a bad game - I personally really like it, but since BF3 they were trying to compete with Cod and borrowed many elements from it. BF2042, for example, is really similair to Black Ops 4 (no joke, just compare them). Hazard Zone is an attempt to compete with Warzone. Oh, and TDM and Domination debuted In Battlefield 3 as an attempt to attract Cod fanbase.
This competition made Battlefield really popular, yes, but because of it battlefield lost it's original face forever.
Very small detail but for the mosin reload vanguard uses the wrong style of stripper clip. Military mosin stripper clips don't have the tabs to retain the rounds like the modern reproductions they are just smooth like bf1. Also with a stripper clip Inserted on a mosin you can't push the bolt forward like a mauser.
Wait, so you need to rip the stripper clip off the gun for it to cycle?
I don't know bolt actions that well so yeah...
@@zacaurelion7521 yah with the stripper clip still in the gun you cant push the bolt open on a mosin. You need to manually pull it out.
@@gustavohonzofo Hmmm. Interesting. Thanks for the info
@@zacaurelion7521 mauser clip guides are angled in a way you can throw the bolt forward and the clip will eject on its own. mosin clip guides are machined straight vertically so you have to manually pull out the clip
If you strip it just right on a Mosin you can actually get the stripper clip to kind of hop out on its own at least with the ones I have
BF1 feels like a really well trained WW1 soldier
Vanguard feels like a modern day soldier using WW2 weapons
So we can actually agree that everything is wrong everywhere
@@gabilecrack8231 Yes
I think the whole point of vanguard was that they wouldn't have to modify anything for warzone. If they give shotguns removable magazines so they can compete with the MW and CW guns and make the character reload the gun in a modern way, they don't even have to try for their real cash cow.
@@Koopkiris why couldn't they just make normal animations for vanguard and make more modern animations for warzone?
@@EarthyTeddy because they're lazy as heck
I like how in BF1, they hold the pistol with one hand, which is accurate for the time. Vanguard on the other hand, uses 2, which wasn't really a thing until after WWII.
Interesting, is there any reason why they only held it with 1 hand back then?
@@user-tzzglsstle585e38 Handguns were originally meant to be fired with one hand. What I don't know for sure is why they went to two handed. I would assume it was found to offer more stability.
@@TheGnarlyPigeon Two handed was something for stability, especially when accuracy became the focus in the weapon use. I’ve always assumed soldiers in WWII was taught to shoot one handed so they can use their sidearm while carrying something in their off hand.
As Gaz once said in Call of Duty 4, switching to your side arm is faster than reloading your weapon.
@@TheGary108 That is essentially what I said. Also, Cod 4 is an amazing game; right up there with BF1 on my list.
troops would be taught 2 handed for precise shots, 1 handed for anything else
Why the hell vanguard reload sounds are louder then actual fire sounds?
That's like every cod they're sound design sucks
Some of those sounds are from Call of Duty WW2 (2017)
@@gr1mmy954 most are
@@gr1mmy954 and i thought the couldnt copy paste more their game
@ADOLF HITLER AX50 bolt sound is louder then firing so yes MW19 is bad too
the fact that pistols were mostly onehanded in the 20th century according to doctrine is a glaring mistake Vanguard has, although it has even bigger historical oopsies
The entire game is a historycal oopsie
@@davidj3841 Vanguard is a big oopsie
I wouldn't say it's glating since most people are those with a general knowledge of history and therefore wouldn't know/care/pay attention to that kinda stuff.
BF1 wins every comparison since 2016😂
Yeh
@Elia Gun models, sounds, explosions and graphics still look nicer in bf1.
@Elia BF1>
@@davidj3841 "nicer"...
@@overpowered160 yeah, subjectively.
I like the way the Thompson is portrayed as the annihilated as that was what it was called at first but the name was later changed, really nice detail
I think both games has nice graphics, models and animations. But for guns sounds, I will choose Battlefield 1.
In my opinion, the Battlefield franchise always had this advantage of having more realistic guns sounds than a lot of Call of Duty games (of course, except the first Call of Duty games and 2019 Modern Warfare).
Do you know WAW also recorded real gun sounds.
DICE actually took hard for BF1
The two handed grip on vanguard handguns always gets to me
Comparing battlefield 1 to cod vanguard is like comparing a 5 star Gordon Ramsey burger to a McDonald’s burger
Models: BF1, take it or leave it
Reloads: Visually, i would like to choose Vanguard for its more realistic movements and shakiness.
Sounds: BF1, no doubt. If it weren't for those muffled metallic screeching then i would probably appreciate Vanguard more.
Final Verdict: BF1 wins. Also the reason why i chose Vanguard reloads is because the other judges (not in here tho) are saying "It depends on your taste" Stuff. I decided to avoid that and let out my honest opinion.
Moreover, i have to prepare myself for another MW2 Lobby in the replies.
The creator approves this. (Not me, Ferrari.)
@@Ajay-dy3xw basically fuck them. Don't even give a pinch of shit.
Going to say one thing. When you reload a double barrel with one bullet remaining in Vanguard, the soldier takes the spent one with his hand which is possible, but damn, isn't that supposed to hot asf?
@@hanscatzer3rd294 Operators are so highly trained that, their hands are made out of titanium.
something i noticed with BF1 that i really like is that they assign a random and permanent skin tone to all of your classes. my sniper is a black dude while my medic is a Sikh, and i really like that. it really adds a sense of personality to the franchise and really feels like is the "war for everyone".
i suppose this also means that some people have all-white classes and some people have all-black classes
not trying to be political, its just a cool detail and I'd much rather have this than the tacky system in BFV.
edit: third time lucky
i red shik as shit lol
@@HKG11Prototype i spelt it wrong lol
That's just the British
@@onejediboi it's for the US devil dogs too, just not including Sihk soldiers... i wouldn't be surprised if the Reichswher had Jewish soldiers since they had a rather large Jewish fighting force.
correction: it's not "Sihk" but "Sikh"
Bruh imagine if Activition made a COD WWI game and has this "tacti-cool" reloads
Holy… whoever made the arisaka reload in bf1 needs a raise like that is actually beautiful
the vanguard's attempt at a c96 is making me literally shake
Very cursed
The fact that Battlefield 1 adheres to the one-hand pistol grip technique is what makes it more historically authentic than Vanguard. For those of you who don't know, the two-handed pistol grip technique (aka Modern Technique) wasn't developed until the 1950s.
I gotta give vanguard one thing. I can see the Izhevsk armory mark on the back of the bolt, and side of the bolt handle clearly on the mosin. I can also tell from where the screw on the firing pin nearly but not quite lines up with the notch on the bolt that they tried to model it as accurately as possible (Mine does the same thing, if you line it up it isn't flush with the bolt) compared to the perfectly machined groove on the bf1 mosin.
Tho it's seems to be the sniper bolt and not the standard infantry issue straight one.
@@tobiasworner4970 I know why they didn't put the infantry bolt in as an option, but it's still disappointing.
The bolt of the mosin goes straight into the characters face which I find funny
M1A1 with a drum mag. Yeah. Let's leave it here. 😭
The Annihilator was too early for WWI, but still a fascinating prototype SMG.
As for Vanguard, the player character holds the M1928 like the PPSh-41. Even when he reloads, he does a retention reload and never re-cocks the gun.
The vanguard Thompson is he wrong one anyway
The hammer on the combat shotgun in Vanguard is broken.
Bf1 wins at everything.
Sounds: distinct and natural for every weapon
Graphics: still looks better than most games to this day
Reloads: aren't overly tacticool and feel human and natual.
Only models are better in vanguard
Real Firearms: Battlefield 1
*Plastic Replicas:* Call of Doo Doo: Blanguard
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Call of Greed: Cashgrabguard
Call of Ding Dong: Badguard
@@Ajay-dy3xw I've seen you before on a different video
@@pyramid_he4d I tend to wander around gun showcase videos
About 6 years Later .. and Battlefield 1 is Still Amazing!
One natural inaccuracy, at such altitudes is European magpie uncommon to be seen as depictied in CoD VA :D
I don't know if it's still in the game? but, there's one easter egg if you're in a very muddy terrain, the annihilator will jam half way if you're trying full auto and your character will try to unjam it(ie forcing it to cock it back harder) I hope that it's still after some update because its really 'realistic' in a way that it's enjoyable
Yes, Vanguard is filled to the brim with goofy stuff (like the 2h grip on pistols). But goofyness, and shit SFXs aside, the animations are pretty good and well made.
Battlefield was so beautiful and in advance for his time wow
I find it funny how the vanguard double barrel the primers on the shotgun shells never got stricked by the firing pin
" Klauser " - Cod, 2021
On the webley, bf1 has an accurate amount of spent and unspent cartridges flying out whereas vanguard reuses the animation for the empty and tactical reload
A lot of shotgun shells where still brass in WW2 sense they thought they'll be in trenches like in WW1.
Animations: Vanguard as I have a personal preference to MW2019-esque animation style.
Models: BF1's models still looked better, although it could have been the lighting.
Sounds: Obviously not Vanguard, SHG is bad at sounds.
Bf1 was made in 2016 and looks
like it was made in 2022 and vanguard was just made in 2021 and looks like a 2010 game ngl
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In either case, I've never had a mosin striper clip work that well
I've seen alot of people crapping on the machine pistol, but know that the full auto varient of the C96 was known for being pretty much unusable without a stock attached due to the recoil.
The Mauser alone was unwieldy without a stock.
So really vanguard should allow you to attach a stock to it. You can put stocks on machine pistols in the Modern Warfare remake.
7:03 I think a better comparison here would be the M38...
Neither of the two "Arisakas" are actually Arisakas
idk why but vanguard reloading sounds like someone recorded the sound of smashing their keys into a concrete wall.
Ohhh .... Battlefield wins.... Now lets watch this
Hey it's that african guy.
Where's zabolaza tho
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My least favorite thing about vanguard isn't the reloads or sounds, but how they renamed guns that don't need to be renamed. What's the point of calling the luger the "klauser" or the Webley Mark IV the "Top break," or the Mosin the "three line rifle." There shouldn't be any copyright issues, they've been called by their regular names in shit tons of games with no consequences, even in previous cod games.
seriously there are a lot of indie shooters games that don't change the name of the weapons and have no problem
i dont know about the other guns but i know that the name "mosin nagant"" wasnt used in russia it was called the 3 line rifle m1891, and even then the rifle its based on in vanguard isnt the original m1891, its the carbine version the m38, nevertheless its still the same thing
@@matthaeus2080 i stand corrected. it still feels weird calling it the 3 line rifle though
7:08 The clip doesn't fall off when you close the bolt in a Mosin Nagant. U ll have to remove it manually.
I'm pretty sure some version had it
The removable C96 mag made my spit out my tea
The sounds in vanguard are shocking and why is the P08 called the klauser or the TT-33 called ratt to avoid copyright on company’s that don’t exist anymore
Good question
Being fair the Mauser company still exists
Just noticed the thing welded on top of the Combat Shotgun in Vanguard is a weaver rail.
a fucking tacticool picatinny rail in WW2
Battlefield 1 the guns sounds much more like real guns, in Vanguard looks like paintball guns.
And BF1 also wins in graphics textures, reaload animation and Historical Accuracy!
ok, graphics and reload.....but historical accuracy? I mean, if we're comparing the accuracy of BF1 to Vanguard, we might as well compare the accuracy of smoothbore muskets made by blind men lmao
@@patrickbateman312 I mean comparing to Vanguard,yeah
I have to say that BFI wins this video, but both games have some inaccuracies with the weapons.
2:33 The M97 Trenchgun in CoD not only has two hammers for some reason, but the rear sight of it is also wrong.
3:52 The Browning Auto 5 barrel is way too short
4:31 Thompson M1A1 couldn't allocate a 50 round drum magazine.
5:25 The Federov Automav's fire rates is too high. Should be about 300-400 rpm.
6:16 The Arisaka Type 99 recoil is a bit too extreme.
6:40 The clips on the Mosin Nagant didn't fly out as we see in BFI, nor could you remove it with the action of the bolt like we see in CoD. You have to manually remove the clip before feeding a round in the barrel.
6:58 Since this looks like an infantry variant of the Mosin, the bolt should be straight instead of melted down. Also, the recoil on it is way too strong.
7:44 Not sure why we are comparing a Gewher 98 to a Kar98k but oh well
8:13 The BAR 1918 we see in BFI looks more like an A2 BAR. The pistol grip on it is incorrect, but also the sights on it are also incorrect. The first BAR in WWI had no sight hood and the rear aperture sight looked more like the 1917 Enfield rear aperture sight. And in CoD, the grip is way too long, and the BAR1918A2 was not fitted with a carry handle in WWII.
COD seems to either make the hands way too large, or the handguns way too small. A 1911 is not that small compared to your hands. I have fired one many times, and it's not that tiny, and neither is a Luger.
this one is an obvious win for BF1
The Luger looks beautiful in both games…
And I can’t stand how games keep butchering the accuracy of the Thompson.
In vanguard, i don't hear any echo after you shot like in battlefield 1, like the pistols? . I still play BF1 it's a masterpiece
Is their still a active player base
Hand one gun
Is it me or do the reloads in vanguard sound crunchy like a bag of chips with a metallic sound
Activision is so cheap they can’t even get the rights to guns that are 100 years old…
I think the animation movement quality is better in vanguard. I’m Not talking about the actual style of reloading but the model’s animation rigs and the movements of the arms and hands.
Hand and arm animation has always been the one week point of battlefield with a weird rubbery feeling to the movements.
Bro... You are fucking right!
We are comparing a 2016 game with a 2021 game... Chill... 2016, in those times all this tAcTiCoOl reloads and exaggerated screen shaking bs that mw2019 began was not even a thing, for a 2016 game these animations are dope, lets be fair, lets compare them to the 2016 cod game which was cod ww2 if Im not wrong, dude, bf1 obliterates it.
@@ChadSpittingTruth first of all cod ww2 animation quality was still better in reloads. Though that game released in 2017. The 2016 cod was infinite warfare which also had better animation quality.
Second of all bf 2042 has the same rubbery ass animations while COD improved.
And again I am not talking about the style of reloads (what you call tacticool) I am referring to the quality of animation on the reloading. This is something COD has always beaten battlefield at. (And it makes sense since battlefield puts into resources everywhere else in the engine.)
@@C.C.Cope220 ew fuck infinite dogshit
Cap. Average COD defender.
There's few inaccurate names for guns:
BF1: Mosin-Nagant - Vanguard: 3-Line Rifle
But in RL there was no mosin nagant in WW1, it was early version called "Tryohlineyka" (3-Line Rifle), but in WW2 soviets were using Mosin Nagant , not 3-Line Rifle.
BF1: Gewehr 98 - Vanguard: K98
In real life G98 was early version of Mauser 98 and there was similar rifle called K98 or K98K, but it was completely diffirent gun.
BF1: BAR M1918 - Vanguard: BAR
In RL , at the end of WW1 soldiers were using first model of BAR(M1918A1), but it was not that effective as expected, so it was not sent to mass production. But, in WW2 soldiers were using BAR M1918A2, second and improved, more effective weapon and NOBODY was using M1918A1, but in Vanguard we've got BAR M1918A1.
Ah yes I remember when cod used to name guns their actual name not KLAUSER or DOUBLE BARREL
In bf1 and actually cod ww2 the player holds the sidearms one handed which in reality the soldiers are actually trained to shoot one handed which is a nice touch in detail 👌
Vanguard combat shotgun has 2 hammers. I had no idea that is a thing. Mind blowing.
Sarcasm if you can’t sense it.
7:06 lol how big must be hand to reload mosin like this XD
What's funny is the vanguard bolt cycle for the snipers is the exact one used in the 2017 cod ww2
Not surprising at all i'd say
Battlefield: BANG BANG
Vanguard: Pew Pew
That's just my opinion but realy vanguard guns sounds like a airsoft guns
Finished game vs unfinished game pretty much
배틀필드 1은 1차대전 당시 무기 와 2차대전 당시 무기 차이는 그다지 없다고는 할수는 없지만 2차 대전 당시 여전히 다수의 1차대전 무기를 쓴게 한두번이 아닐겁니다.대부분은 퇴역되었거나 그냥 골동품으로 남거나 아니면 여전히 쓰이거나...
마우저 C96은 1차대전때 독일제국(제 1제국) 정확히는 오스트리아의 마우저 사에서 제작된 자동권총으로 최초인지는 아닌지는 모르겠지만 어찌되었든 이 권총은 1차대전 이후 2차대전에서도 여전히 사용한걸 보면 수량이 여전히 남아있거나 다른 국가에서 사용되는 경우가 많은데 이게 1천만정 정도 있는걸 보면 말 다했다.중화민국에서는 이걸 카피한 모델인 샨시 17식 권총이 있다.메탈 기어 솔리드 3 와 메탈 기어 솔리드 4에서는 에바의 기본 무기가 되는데 사실 이 권총에는 에바가 중국군 스파이라는 복선이 있다.실제로는 레닌이 홍범도 장군님에게 선물한 권총도 이것이다.현재 권총은 소실되었지만 권총집은 그대로 외손녀 김알라씨가 소유중이다.
루거 P08은 종전이 될때까지 써먹은 권총으로 대부분 장교들이 많이 쓰였지만 수량이 수량인지라 대부분 발터 P38로 교체되는 경우가 있지만 헤르만 괴링을 비롯한 일부 장교들 특히 무장 친위대 장교들이 쓰였긴 쓰였다.애니 헬싱의 소령도 루거 권총을 썼지만 당연히 사격실력은 형편 없다.대체 어떻게 무장 친위대에 들어간건지...
M1911 콜트 권총은 말 그대로 1911년에 개발된 자동 권총으로 1차대전을 비롯한 2차대전에도 여전히 미군의 주력 권총으로 많이 쓰였고 소련에서도 랜드리스 되어 쓰이다가 나중에 이걸 토대로 만든 토카레프 권총으로 대거 교체 되었다.2차대전 이후를 비롯한 한국 전쟁 과 월남전에서는 우리나라 국군의 주력 권총으로 쓰이다가 나중에 K5 권총으로 대거 교체되었지만 후방부대를 비롯한 비전투부대는 여전히 콜트 권총을 써먹고 있다.이거 쓰는 필자는 콜트 권총을 직접 본적이 있었다고..
윈체스터 1897 산탄총은 대부분 군대나 경찰 혹은 사냥용으로 광범위하게 쓰인 산탄총으로 위 영상에 나온건 Model 1897 트렌치건 모델이고 이후로는 전부 개량형인 M1912 와 M12 트렌치 건으로 전부 교체 되었다.위영상인 뱅가드에서는 초기형인 M1897을 썼다.
톰슨 기관단총은 1차대전 이후에 나온 무기이며 정확히는 종전 이후에 나온 무기로 위영상에 나온 무기는 프로토타입 톰슨 기관단총이다.총열이 수호이 나 따발총 처럼 생겨먹었지만 이후로는 아예 길쭉이 모델로 바뀌었다.뱅가드에 나온 톰슨 기관단총은 M1A1 톰슨이다.이것도 2차대전 이후에 한국전쟁때 우리나라 국군의 주력 무기로 쓰였다.
아리사카 38식 소총은 구 일본제국이 종전이 될때까지 우려먹은 소총으로 중일 전쟁을 비롯한 태평양 전쟁에서 일본놈들이 덴노 헤카이 반자이를 존나게 외치며 총검을 끼면서 존나 지랄맞게 개돌하는 그 소총이 맞다.종전 이후로는 우리나라 국군도 쓰였는데 정확히는 한국전쟁때 물자 부족으로 미군이 전부 압수한 구 일본군 무기를 어쩔수 없이 사용했던적이 있지만 엉뚱하게 북한군도 쓴적이 있다.당연히 물자부족으로..근데 반대로 뱅가드에서는 99식 소총을 쓰는데 이건 2차대전 당시에 나온것이다.99식 소총 역시 우리나라 군이 쓴적이 있는데 이것도 빨치산을 상대하기 위해 후방부대에 쓰였다.
브라우닝 BAR 은 이것도 1차대전 과 2차대전때 미군들의 주무기로 사용된 무기로 종전 이후로는 개량형 BAR로 대거 교체되지만 20발 장탄은 여전하다.당연히 한국전쟁때는 우리나라 국군의 주력 경기관총으로 쓰였지만 물자 부족에 허덕거려서 대부분 북한군 무기를 노휙해서 썼지만 인천 상륙 작전이 성공이 되어서야 그제서야 제대로된 보급을 받게 되어 사용되었다.
Battlefield 1 cannot be said that there is not much difference between weapons during World War I and weapons during World War II, but it is still not once or twice that many weapons were used during World War II.Most of them are retired or just left as antiques or still used...
I don't know if the Mauser C96 was the first automatic pistol made by the German Empire (the First Empire) in World War I, but anyway, considering that it was still used in World War II after World War I, it is often used in other countries or about 10 million In the Republic of China, there is a Shanxi 17-style pistol that copies this In Metal Gear Solid 3 and Metal Gear Solid 4, Eva is the basic weapon, and in fact, this pistol has a double line that Eva is a Chinese spy.This is actually the pistol Lenin gave to General Hong Beom-do.
Luger P08 was used by most officers until the end, but most of them were replaced by Walter P38 because the quantity was quantitative, but some officers, including Hermann Göring, were used, especially armed guards.Major Annie Helsinki also used a luger pistol, but of course, her shooting skills are poor.I don't know how he joined the armed guards.
The M1911 Colt pistol was literally an automatic pistol developed in 1911, which was still widely used in World War I and World War II, and was also used as Landless in the Soviet Union, but was later replaced by Tokarev pistols based on it In the Korean War and Vietnam War, including after World War II, it was used as the main pistol of the Korean Armed Forces, but was later replaced by a large number of K5 pistols, but non-fighting units, including rear units, are still using Colt pistols.I heard that I've seen a colt pistol myself.
Most of the Winchester 1897 shotguns are widely used for military, police, or hunting, and the above video showed Model 1897 trenchgun models, and since then, all of them have been replaced with improved M1912 and M12 trench guns In the above video, Vanguard, he wrote the early M1897.
The Thompson machine dagger is a weapon that came out after World War I, and to be exact, the weapon in the above video is a prototype Thompson machine dagger.The general fever looked like a guardian or a squirt gun, but since then, it has changed to an elongated model.The Thompson machine gun in Vanguard is M1A1 Thompson.This was also used as the main weapon of the Korean Armed Forces during the Korean War after World War II.
The Arisaka 38-style rifle is a rifle that was brewed until the end of the former Japanese Empire, and it is the rifle where Japanese people shout Tenno Hekai Banzai and carry out bayonets in the Pacific War, including the Sino-Japanese War.Since the end of the war, the Korean Armed Forces have also been used, and to be precise, they have been forced to use all of the old Japanese weapons seized by the U.S. military due to a lack of supplies during the Korean War, but they have also used North Korean troops.Of course, due to lack of supplies...On the contrary, however, Vanguard uses a 99-style rifle, which came out during World War II.The 99-type rifle was also used by the Korean military, which was also used in the rear unit to deal with partisans.
The Browning BAR is also a weapon used as the main weapon of the U.S. soldiers in World War I and World War II, and has been replaced by an improved BAR since the past, but 20 bullets remain.Naturally, during the Korean War, it was used as the main game machine gun of the Korean Armed Forces, but most of them were helplessly used due to a shortage of supplies, but only after the successful landing operation in Incheon was used it properly.
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Yooo, that's cool! Anyway BF1 is more superior than Cashgrabguard.
oh long text...
@@bomdia.4667 Muicho texto irmão
Holy damn cod vanguard is hot trash....
You know what is funny; The Activision claims
Call of Duty®: Vanguard | The Best WWII FPS Game on their site, despite the game having 53% rating on google and 3.4 user score on metacritic LOL!
Side note: vanguards pistols feel tiny, like ant sized, this vanguard guys hand was almost bigger then the 1911
Can you imagine being in actual combat trying to reload some of those rifles and constantly getting you finger smashed trying yo reload?
Love how the vanguard characters are using stances that aren’t accurate for the time they’re in, and that the 9mm pistols kick like a mule with a 2 handed grip, a 9mm para round has about 2-3lbs of recoil, where .45 has 4-5lbs. Which isn’t a lot.
Notice the Vanguard M1897 having two hammers when pump and shot.
Why does every weapon in BF1 have unrealistically gaping rear sights? Other shooters do it but none nearly as wide as BF1/BFV
What about the M1 garand and the 1911 from vanguard
It's on purpose, to make aiming easier
@@eivsleiv368 ehh, m1 garand is very noticeable
But 1911? What's the exaggeration? Is it because it's so tiny?
8:41 How to be blind 101
we all know that you have the pull the charging handle first when reload the BAR
@@HKG11Prototype doesn’t matter when you do, before or after
@@nipplecream3099 It still works either way, but magazine insertion is way easier when the bolt is locked to the rear. And considering the BAR magazine is pretty fragile, I would want to put as little unnecessary strain on them as possible.
@@obviouspseudonym9345 fair enough
I quite like a few of the models and animations from Vanguard over BF1.
In terms of sounds and sound design. BF1 cakes the take.
I’d say overall. I believe there is no clear winner.
Its very obvious who won. Look at the comments.
@@darrengarcia4937
There is no clear winner to me. That’s what I meant when i first commented this.
i feel like the biggest problem with vanguard's animations is that theyre treated like modern day guns youd find in the hands of an average soldier, which they arent. along with that, many soldiers from both world wars were somewhat ill-experienced with firearms, meaning they wouldnt quickly flick the magazine out of their pistol and slam a new one into the gun in the matter of one second with minimal movement.
Good old days.
Battlefield 1 reloads : *Politely*
Vanguard reloads: *Damn*
It's like comparing a pricless work of art to a shiny turd.
We all know that Battlefield 1 won.
How tf do you do a tac reload with the drum mag of a Thompson. The dudes gotta be built like the gigachad meme
Bros Russian 💀
You should put, BF1 vs BF5 vs CoD Vanguard and CoD WW2 hehe
Just thinking about loading these bolt guns here... I would cut the wrinkles on my thumb knuckles so bad dealing with those little metal clips.
Man Vanguard is graphically insane
Insane shit
in terms of animation, both games have problems with properly depicting weapons (BF1s C96 reload and the Combat Shotguns 2 hammers for example) but thats never been a big problem for me nor a deal breaker
they fixed the reload for the c96 in bf1 I believe. This is an old clip before it was fixed. Now vanguards "machine pistol" got it completely wrong with a detachable magazine.
@@mrmoney9822 its based on the M712 Schnellfeuer.
@@freedoomer2524 and yet modeled like a C96. There is no fire selector switch on the left hand of the model in game (neither the old lever style or the push button selector), and it definitely isn't a Spanish Astra 900 series.
@@obviouspseudonym9345 they just removed the fire selector
@@freedoomer2524 Nobody ever removed the fire selector off an Astra 900 or M712. And the machined lightening cuts are also that of a C96, as well as the internal magazine has a distinctive "toe" on the front which isn't present on the M712, the grips are off a WWI wartime commercial Red 9 C96, the hammer is an early type cone hammer (way too early for the M712), it clearly isn't an Astra because it lacks the cover plate on the left side of the frame and there are no pins visible, there isn't even a magazine release on the right side of the frame. They literally just took a WWI Red 9 Wartime Commercial C96 and animated it using magazines.
Vanguard renaming the weapons kinda bothers me.
BF:2042 and CoD:VG: huddled in a corner autistic screaming
BF1 and CoD:WaW: T-posing around them with Halo theme playing
Honestly I feel that they should have done Vanguard as its own stand alone game and not included it in War zone. That way they could have made the guns way more historically accurate. I also feel they should have done what they did in the OG Call of Duty games and just made it as historically accurate as possible while it still being fun. Case in point, all CoD games set in WW2 literally were setting up the events that would lead to WaW, which would then lead into the first Black Ops game and Modern Warfare.
God they didn’t even try for Vanguard
I’m just surprised how Vanguard looks just as old as COD WWII, I thought it looks pretty good at first though