First off, I like the username. I see that we have another man of class. Secondly, these transmissions are okay to do it on as long as you know how to do it right. I do it in mine all the time.
When your clutch is dead you can get by like this for a very long time. When you are is injured this can make driving a standard easier. If you know your truck this method is very easy on the truck. You cant drive fast like this, but it has its benefits. I dont understand the hate on this shift method. I shift like this more often than not. Mostly cuz I am lazy and my clutch leg is tired.
people hate floating because they don’t understand transmissions and they think floating damages it. i wouldnt blame them, though. finding information about floating is difficult and it contradicts a lot of what theyve been told about how to drive a manual.
@@alec1202 Not true. If you're putting pressure against the synchros before it falls into gear, you're wearing them out much faster regardless if you hear any grinding. If you can perfectly time the shifts it's fine, but most people, including the guy in the video, are riding the synchros waiting for it to fall into gear.
Not to be a hater, but this is not the same as "floating gears" in a big truck with a non-synchronized transmission: Without synchronizers (or blocker rings, or baulk-rings, or whatever you want to call them), there is absolutely nothing preventing a grind between the engagement dogs on the face of the speed gear and the dogs on the face of the slider when you try to select a gear. As such, any mismatch in speed between the gear and slider will cause a grind. With synchs, the slider is blocked/prevented from getting close enough to the speed gear to grind - until the speeds match. The soft/gentle force you put on the gear stick is pushing the synch up against the cone clutch of the speed gear, imparting friction and therefore rotation onto the speed gear, causing it to either speed up or slow down to match the speed of the slider/hub assembly. Bottom line, the synchs are doing a lot of work here to prevent a grind that otherwise would have occurred with a big non-synched transmission.
This is how to kill synchros. A friend has a 95 150 whose neighbor floated the gears, & not a 100 miles later the transmission failed, & he had to replace the whole thing. The clutch is there for a reason. Burn the clutch before the synchros. Synchros should last the life of the truck, the clutch is meant to fail before the transmission does. Take it out on the clutch, not the synchros.
@@michaelbenoit248 99% agreed. However, when you really, really get to know YOUR synchronized transmission - you honestly can "float the gears" successfully. The problem is that non-synched transmissions instantly tell you that you messed up. Synched transmission will disguise your mistakes. You'll think you are doing it right (because it doesn't grind), meanwhile you are asking the synchs to do double or triple duty... It's super hard to feel the difference between a perfect speed-match during a clutchless shift vs. lack of grinding on account of the synchs doing the work for you. This is why Eaton Fuller absolutely still recommends using clutch during shifts, even on non-synched transmissions.
I can float my zf5 in my f250 pretty effortlessly, with minimal to no pressure on the shifter, hold it in neutral, press the next gear up or down at correct rpm. However, I only do this when accelerating/decelerating fairly slowly and while unloaded. Because the gears are so far apart, faster to use clutch in passenger vehicle. I’ve never driven a semi, but presumably faster to float, especially with so many closer gears, a lot less time to wait for it to rev down for the next gear than my 7.3 idi or 3.0 Subaru flat 6.
Not really sure what’s impressive about this… any manual transmission can do this and it’s not really good for it. Replacing a clutch is much simpler than rebuilding a trans.
You hear NO GRINDING AT ALL, it slips into gear as if the clutch was used. GEE WHY DOES THIS HAPPEN. engine RPM and transmission RPM. MAYBE because synchros are a thing. Allowing the synchros and engine speed to work WITH EACH OTHER not against. ITS THE EXACT SAME AS USING THE CLUTCH. SLIPS RIGHT IN. now if this video was of the kid slamming the gears. Grinding each one forcing it in. Yeah now you have issues. NOTHING WRONG HERE INTERNET EXPERT. 🤣🤣.
@@jonellwanger7258 asynchronous transmissions can do this, too. it's even safer because you know if the transmission takes the shift, it wasn't the synchronizers doing the work.
As a 65 Mustang driving New Zealander, I was a little disappointed the chrome in the bottom left screen wasn't some kick ass, Dirty Harry/Sledgehammer, only legal in 2 states, hand cannon. It's something even we can get in my woke infested country.
if you understood the mechanics, youd know that it doesnt damage anything. skill is a factor here. youll have to get good at rev matching before you try floating.
@@elicarter1356 it has nothing to do with whether one can do it or not rather that it wears the shit out of your synchro's. on transmission with no synchro's you immediately no whether you are doing it right or not but with synchro's if your close enough and push hard enough the synchro's will take up the difference wearing them down.
If you want to "float" gears, WITHOUT fuck8ng anything up, thats what semi-automatic transmissions were half made for, its fun to shift i get that, but in all reality it messes up your tranny BAD in a manual, You want to shift gears with out a clutch get a semiautomatic with a manual shifter, + & - And thank me later, because i do not like the clutch to shift every time, and after about 30 40 years in the long term your knee will get fucked up, both my grand parents drove manual, and i can see the effects, a clutch pedal weight rating can vary between 2-10 pounds and sometimes higher if your running a racing clutch after i think stage 2, and if i recal it can go stage 1 stage 2 Nd stage 3, I myself i drive manual have since i was 18, the clutch pedal rather its a light clutch or heavy clutch can still fuck up your knee, its worse if you always drive double clutch at a young age you may not complain oh its not that bad, true, but after years and years of doing it, you get into the oler ages oh yes it will catch up with you, i have witnessed it outisde of family, enjoy it while you are able to everyone laughs and plays till you get older and more fragile, with wisdom knowledge and attention you catch on to things,
Dude I’ve only ever driven manuals,now I’ve been driving an auto for 3 months my left knee hurts when I’m driving for hours because my left leg just chilling there
Can you? Yeah but please don't. Your wallet and schedule will appreciate it.
First off, I like the username. I see that we have another man of class. Secondly, these transmissions are okay to do it on as long as you know how to do it right. I do it in mine all the time.
you can do this, but you need to be *very* careful.
you can ruin the synchros if you're not 100% certain of where the shift point is.
“Synchros have left the chat”
"Have left the chat" -🤓
@@Yambagsomeone’s sounds synchroless
When your clutch is dead you can get by like this for a very long time. When you are is injured this can make driving a standard easier. If you know your truck this method is very easy on the truck. You cant drive fast like this, but it has its benefits.
I dont understand the hate on this shift method. I shift like this more often than not. Mostly cuz I am lazy and my clutch leg is tired.
people hate floating because they don’t understand transmissions and they think floating damages it. i wouldnt blame them, though. finding information about floating is difficult and it contradicts a lot of what theyve been told about how to drive a manual.
@@4ae109yeah I do it. along as it's not grinding it's all good
@@alec1202 Not true. If you're putting pressure against the synchros before it falls into gear, you're wearing them out much faster regardless if you hear any grinding. If you can perfectly time the shifts it's fine, but most people, including the guy in the video, are riding the synchros waiting for it to fall into gear.
@@12ValveJalopy yeah that's true I meant doing it properly with matching the revs and not just forcing it in
I do it on my 2001 Toyota Corolla. Mostly when driving on the streets or.in traffic.
Great shifting I do the same with my 97 7.3 all day twice on sunday
Big diesel engine just sound great don’t they
People who say this will damage the transmission clearly don’t know how to do it.
Not to be a hater, but this is not the same as "floating gears" in a big truck with a non-synchronized transmission:
Without synchronizers (or blocker rings, or baulk-rings, or whatever you want to call them), there is absolutely nothing preventing a grind between the engagement dogs on the face of the speed gear and the dogs on the face of the slider when you try to select a gear. As such, any mismatch in speed between the gear and slider will cause a grind.
With synchs, the slider is blocked/prevented from getting close enough to the speed gear to grind - until the speeds match. The soft/gentle force you put on the gear stick is pushing the synch up against the cone clutch of the speed gear, imparting friction and therefore rotation onto the speed gear, causing it to either speed up or slow down to match the speed of the slider/hub assembly.
Bottom line, the synchs are doing a lot of work here to prevent a grind that otherwise would have occurred with a big non-synched transmission.
This is how to kill synchros. A friend has a 95 150 whose neighbor floated the gears, & not a 100 miles later the transmission failed, & he had to replace the whole thing.
The clutch is there for a reason. Burn the clutch before the synchros. Synchros should last the life of the truck, the clutch is meant to fail before the transmission does.
Take it out on the clutch, not the synchros.
@@michaelbenoit248 99% agreed. However, when you really, really get to know YOUR synchronized transmission - you honestly can "float the gears" successfully. The problem is that non-synched transmissions instantly tell you that you messed up. Synched transmission will disguise your mistakes. You'll think you are doing it right (because it doesn't grind), meanwhile you are asking the synchs to do double or triple duty...
It's super hard to feel the difference between a perfect speed-match during a clutchless shift vs. lack of grinding on account of the synchs doing the work for you.
This is why Eaton Fuller absolutely still recommends using clutch during shifts, even on non-synched transmissions.
@@michaelbenoit248 I have been shifting this way for 680,000 miles on one truck same trans. Clutches last forever this way.
Had my clutch for 5 years now and I use it like I should.
I can float my zf5 in my f250 pretty effortlessly, with minimal to no pressure on the shifter, hold it in neutral, press the next gear up or down at correct rpm.
However, I only do this when accelerating/decelerating fairly slowly and while unloaded. Because the gears are so far apart, faster to use clutch in passenger vehicle. I’ve never driven a semi, but presumably faster to float, especially with so many closer gears, a lot less time to wait for it to rev down for the next gear than my 7.3 idi or 3.0 Subaru flat 6.
I know a guy who tries to do that with every rig he owns. Now even with the clutch every single one grinds horribly.
I do this in my 6.5 5 speed and my 57 ford 3 on the tree. People saying it's bad are full of it.
It’s good to know I never do it but once my clutch master blew I had to float the gears and start it in 1st at red lights got me home just fine
So it’s almost like double clutching but not using your clutch ?
I have a 95 12 valve but it's an automatic. But my work truck is a peterbuilt and I float the gears on that lol.
I do that in my civic for anyone asking if you can do it in a normal car
I can do it in a completely bone stock '06 5 speed Toyota Corolla
you cant do this on european cars
I do this in my mini cooper s
@@4g3nt69 What does the place the car was made in have to do with it?
A manual's a manual.
Is that a 2wd manual swap or factory? Im looking to nv4500 swap my 2wd 12v auto
Not really sure what’s impressive about this… any manual transmission can do this and it’s not really good for it. Replacing a clutch is much simpler than rebuilding a trans.
You hear NO GRINDING AT ALL, it slips into gear as if the clutch was used. GEE WHY DOES THIS HAPPEN. engine RPM and transmission RPM. MAYBE because synchros are a thing. Allowing the synchros and engine speed to work WITH EACH OTHER not against. ITS THE EXACT SAME AS USING THE CLUTCH. SLIPS RIGHT IN.
now if this video was of the kid slamming the gears. Grinding each one forcing it in. Yeah now you have issues.
NOTHING WRONG HERE INTERNET EXPERT. 🤣🤣.
@@jonellwanger7258
asynchronous transmissions can do this, too.
it's even safer because you know if the transmission takes the shift, it wasn't the synchronizers doing the work.
Can i do this in a regular truck?
you can do it any manual, ive done it in a toyota matrix lol
Of course, just put the PRNDL in D and let 'er rip.
@@aland7236 That's insanely lame.
yes, just be careful and pay attention that you're actually floating and not fucking your synchronizers to death.
Made in usa? These trucks were built in Mexico. The engine was built in the usa.
you're fun at parties arent ya
Engine's are made in Brazil LOL
@@hughganis3084 not the cummins.
@@patriotsfan9708i mean he ain't wrong lol
Not all of them. My 99 was built in St. Louis.
As a 65 Mustang driving New Zealander, I was a little disappointed the chrome in the bottom left screen wasn't some kick ass, Dirty Harry/Sledgehammer, only legal in 2 states, hand cannon.
It's something even we can get in my woke infested country.
Yeah I wouldn't recommend that.
Why’s that lol he knows the shift points and nothing was grinding, are you just mad you can’t float a synchro trans
if you understood the mechanics, youd know that it doesnt damage anything. skill is a factor here. youll have to get good at rev matching before you try floating.
ok furry
@@elicarter1356 it has nothing to do with whether one can do it or not rather that it wears the shit out of your synchro's. on transmission with no synchro's you immediately no whether you are doing it right or not but with synchro's if your close enough and push hard enough the synchro's will take up the difference wearing them down.
@@masonblaster3997 I love TH-cam experts that think i care
If you want to "float" gears, WITHOUT fuck8ng anything up, thats what semi-automatic transmissions were half made for, its fun to shift i get that, but in all reality it messes up your tranny BAD in a manual,
You want to shift gears with out a clutch get a semiautomatic with a manual shifter, + & -
And thank me later, because i do not like the clutch to shift every time, and after about 30 40 years in the long term your knee will get fucked up, both my grand parents drove manual, and i can see the effects, a clutch pedal weight rating can vary between 2-10 pounds and sometimes higher if your running a racing clutch after i think stage 2, and if i recal it can go stage 1 stage 2 Nd stage 3,
I myself i drive manual have since i was 18, the clutch pedal rather its a light clutch or heavy clutch can still fuck up your knee, its worse if you always drive double clutch at a young age you may not complain oh its not that bad, true, but after years and years of doing it, you get into the oler ages oh yes it will catch up with you, i have witnessed it outisde of family, enjoy it while you are able to everyone laughs and plays till you get older and more fragile, with wisdom knowledge and attention you catch on to things,
Dude I’ve only ever driven manuals,now I’ve been driving an auto for 3 months my left knee hurts when I’m driving for hours because my left leg just chilling there
granny shifting
It's actually called not shifting like a retard
precision you id1ot
Jamacians did it better
This transmission is synchronized, it isnt designed to shift this way, no way to really shift it faster or smoother