Marvel's Avengers - What Happened?
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X-Men (Arcade) - Junk Factory
Anime Skate The Infinity
Marvel vs Capcom 3 - Hulk Theme
Marvel vs Capcom 3 - Iron Man Theme
Marvel vs Capcom 3 - M.O.D.O.K. Theme
Marvel vs Capcom 3 - She-Hulk Theme
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Imagine getting access to one of the hottest, most sought after IPs of the era, and THIS is what you make with it.
Kinda like EA and starwars back in the day
A cart racer would've been cheaper to make and sold better tbh
@@cryguy0000 Of course they wanted to make money but it’s not like a game based off popular property can’t be good. I always figured the people be behind this game were in the mindset that it was based on something popular, so it will succeed no matter what and didn’t really need to try.
I'll act smug and say the writing was on the wall, look at what they did to Lara Croft. They did the same thing to her that they did to the Avengers.
@@cryguy0000 Especially when it comes to western properties.
Dread it. Run from it. Wha Happun arrives all the same.
It is inevitable
“And where did that lead you? Back to me.”
"People hate almost every aspect of our dreary, joyless game. Better make it super grindy."
That's a bold strategy, Cotton.
It did not pay off for him
@@kobold7964 *GOOD*
"Brilliant strategy. THANKS, NAPOLEON!!" - Tom Servo
Thank you for that reference. I bought this game and really needed that laugh
the minds behind any asian MMO.
I cANNOT get over the scene with Kamala talking about "you don't know what its like to have powers ruin your life like this" scene.
TO THE HULK. THE GUY WHO LITERALLY STRUGGLES WITH HIS POWERS MOST OF THE AVENGERS FROM WHAT I KNOW. It's just...of all the heroes to have that scene, really? Lol. ALSO wow Spoodey still isn't out? good lord...
Yeah jesus Im glad im not the only one who cringed at that dialogue. Like I was so sure Bruce would reply about how he understands that more than anyone... But nope he was just quite lmao
Eh I mean shes literally a child
@@collinw01 i cringed but what bruce said after was heartwarming sand apparently from the pre launch leaks spidey is supposed to drop in December sincr so far hawkeye and Kate Bishop were both leaked
@@TrueGamer22887 That sounds like "she's meant to be cringe inducing".
*Steel Beam* idk the last time you’ve interacted with a kid was but yea they’re little cringelords lmao
At this point "Failed Live Services" could be a what happened sub-series.
"Live Losers" perhaps
@@freakfoxvevo7915 dead services?
meh i suck at naming
@@mrroboshadow I actually kind of like that one.
Mhm
I remain proud that I never, ever touched one of these to this day.
They said they have a 10 year plan for this game. When a publisher/developer says that you know something bad is about to happen.
Square's about 5 or so years late to this "10 year plan" thing
Oof, Anthem flashbacks
The marketing claim of a 10 year plan is an enormous red flag. Rarely is a game supported for more than a few months after launch these days.
Destiny 1 announcement flashbacks
Praying that halo isn’t a dumpster fire cause it’s supposed to be a 10 year plan😪
"We have five studios,"
oh no...
"One which was made just for this project,"
Oh no...
"Hired several Industry Veterans who haven't worked with us before"
Oh No...
"And we'll be working closely with Marvel"
OH NO!
Matt: "OH YEEAAAH!!!"
@@jimmymeridian5174 when someone fucks up in the industry, Matt eats well.
[Insert balance meme]
Idk what's the red flags in this. I swear, gamers are something.
@@cryandruboneout7133
1) Most games are made by one or two studios. While more studios means more employees, it also means more ideas, more communication, more conflict. It's very much a "too many cooks" situation.
2) While new studios aren't inherently a bad thing, they often come with complications. They're likely to be working with new systems, new hardware, new management. Again, not inherently bad, but risky at the best of times.
3) Industry Veterans have been around and (hopefully) have shipped multiple games. But they can have old mindsets that aren't kosher anymore (crunch all the time, harassment of coworkers, how we used to do things), or they may assume they're higher in the pecking order than they are. Especially if no one has worked with them before, there's some Famous Cooks in our "too many cooks".
4) the big one. Marvel (owned by Disney) is notorious for "brand management" in the form of complete oversight. So ontop of five studio heads, industry veterans, and publisher liaisons, you also have Disney breathing down your neck, demanding alterations and changes to fit the changing view of Marvel comics and Marvel movies. Too many groups to have a unified vision of the game.
@@cryandruboneout7133 Are you blind or just braindead. Wait no you are ignorant "GaMeRs ArE SoMeThInG' no we aren't it's you who is ignorant. Those are red flags you are just a waste of human potential
basically the same reason why marvel vs capcom infinite failed: the higher ups naturally assumed that many mcu fans would buy the product simply because it LOOKS similar enough to the mcu
They literally didn’t make any of the characters look like mcu lol, 95 % of there skins are comic related with only like mcu skins.
@@mohavoc7154 Lie, their design is most closer to the movie then the comics.
Captain America wingless head and Haweye horrendous black-ops costume are a perfect example.
@@MrSafior Hawkeye bade skin is based off of “my life as a weapon” just with sleeves and saying there design is closer to mcu is really accurate considering like I said 95 percent of there skins are based off of the comics (with some of them having by slight recollers) and all of there base skins are more reality based,like if capt was real his base skin would look something like that not a spandex type suit, plus IRONMAN’s based skin is also much more like the comics
@@mohavoc7154 Sorry but no, despite your strange and confusing argument, most of the skin are based on the movie, not the comics and my example prove it.
@@MrSafior do u have the game honestly, there only 7 MCU skins bro tf r u talking about😂
"That's my secret Cap, I'm always mismanaged..."
cries in reboot and cancelled hulk movies
Just look at the Russo Brothers. They did the Hulk dirty
My favorite part about this game is how the main character, Kamala Khan, is an "award-winning fanfiction writer" who browses Reddit.
Where are you from, Dumsville ?
True to her character, of course.
@@leonardchurch814 Comics Kamala wouldn't touch Reddit with a ten-foot extended arm.
She was actually great, mind you.
@@Neoxon619 yeah; when written right, she captures what made teenage Peter Parker and kitty pryde great back in the day. Her rouges gallery is pretty lacking tho.
Just remember…
The only real villains in the game are taskmaster, abomination, and modok
U missed Maestro and the upcoming Wakanda dude
Don't forget robots. And robots. And more and more...And more...And more...and...when did the game become a bad terminator?
Super adaption is a real villains lol
Maestro, Monica, and two new villains with the wakanda expansion lol, but yeah it’s kind of ridiculous that it took them this long to add new villains
I don't consider MODOK a big enough threat to tear apart the Avengers.
Like 90% of the advertising I saw for this game, was just "Play as an Avenger!!". It's like they were advertising to 5yr olds.
As soon as I saw the Ads highlighting cosmetic items like a mobile game, I knew it was gonna be a hot mess.
@@Hndshks slightly oversimplified but agreed.
They didn't lie as they forced people to play as diversity hire ms marvel
they were advertising to mcu fans, which isn't that far from 5yo's
i completely forgot about that one character a month promise, that's fucking hilarious
That was never a promise though
@@TheDevos1 It would always be a far-fetched idea, pandemic or no.
@@stranger59 True. It takes 3 months for a fighting game to release a new character as DLC, so what makes them think that was possible, especially if they are adding bonus story content with each release?
@@harlannguyen4048 3months is the minimum dev time for a KI character a dev said
They're not Mihoyo and this game is definitely no Genshin Impact, lol. And even they can struggle releasing a character a month.
There's no way this game could ever do that.
Everyone upon seeing the Avengers’ in-game models.: You idiots! These are not them! You’ve captured their stunt doubles!
Nice
And this is the vocal cry that I believe contributed to the alteration of the Peter Parker model between the PS4 and ps5 version of spider-man. Thannnnnnnkkkkkkkksssss
@@Maniac536 I don't think anyone complaint about that. It was more so a higher up decision.
@@awsomeboy360 who do you think made the decision and what motivated that call? The same people at marvel games management saw the fallout from the avengers game character models and wanted to “fix” things
Where's that from? It sounds so familiar
Worst of all, on the other side of the story, there was already an Avengers game, released basically around the same period, that did everything right what Marvel The Avengers did wrong: Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3
Oh, man, that game doesn't get the love it deserves. It's honestly one of my favorite Switch games.
Back on topic, you're totally right. The game included the Avengers, but also the Guardians of the Galaxy, the Defenders, and most importantly, *the X-Men and Fantastic Four.* Definitely the better Marvel game of the two.
@@SuperMarkerComicBro at least sells more than 1 million units, so, a sequel is almost possible
@@lucaspereirahmj Nope. Licenses and rights have changed hands. No sequel is possible anymore.
@@thelastmotel have not heard anything about this. What licenses?
@@janmarcoperezbatres2203 He doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Licenses and rights aren’t an issue anymore, its all handled my Marvel Games now, all game studios have to do is ask and pay for the usage of Marvel characters for a game accordingly to use them for whatever game their developing.
"Since the game is still very much being made"
Ahhh...that comment aged well.
I’ll just leave this here:
- “You doing OK Hulk?”
- “Agreeable grunt”
"hey hulk tell me a joke"
"you. hahaha"
Dat writing tho
The hulk funko pop is bigger than the rest
“Hey hulk, k-keep going, man”
And the crowd goes wild!!!!!! (Ahhhhhhhhhhh)
It's still astounding to me that you announce an exclusive character to one platform before launch. And a year after launch they still aren't there.
I never seen an console exclusive DLC not ready day 1.
And his design hasn't even been revealed yet. Wouldn't surprise me if he is the last character they are gonna add.
Probably due to renegotiations with Sony and Marvel, Sony is notoriously anti consumer with their deals. Wouldn't surprise me if the heads at Sony are fighting back.
@@BetaBreaking Their wouldn't be any negotiations with Sony because Sony doesn't own the video game rights to Spiderman and they never have. It's more likely that Sony just paid Disney allot of money for their permission to have him as a console exclusive character.
There have been speculation that they'll release him in December to coincide with the release of Spiderman No Way Home.
I can't help but feel Square Enix lowkey despises the western market and sees them as nothing but "easy money" (despite being proven wrong time and again).
I know you said in the video too many companies are involved to let Square Enix do any significant fixes to this game, but I notice this is a constant problem with all of their western IPs, all of their worst ideas are implemented in them while their more homegrown Japanese IPs get handled with most care and respect...
It's insane how this is the company that pulled FFXIV from the gutter, succesfully remade FFVII and right now is on fire bringing back old titles, yet at the same time ran Hitman and Deus Ex to the ground... (with Hitman being lucky to be bought out and rising up into an amazing rebooted trilogy).
i still remember the time square were surprised that octopath traveler was a hit and assumed it would crash and burn.
@@justina2225 oh yeah
Sleeping Dogs 2, RIP.
@roler42 With the news announcement today of Square selling off their western studios and many IPs I think you were exactly right.
Over the years (and as seen in many a Wha Happun?) it always seems like the Japanese game studios just fail to understand the western market and have this unflinching mentality regarding Japan vs wetsern releases.
@@justina2225 weren't they also surprised at the success of bravely default? Square is just hilariously out of touch.
So no one is gonna talk about the 10/10 editing transition he did at 15:41 ? That was amazing!
Indeed! 😂😂😂😂
OMG!!! I never noticed! How did I miss that?! Argh, I’m such a fool!!!
I will always laugh when a crowd at a convention fails to cheer when the presenter seemed convinced that they would.
yeah that defitely seemed like another "do you guys not have phones" moment
Indeed, that’s such an awkward moment.
Yes
Could you imagine how it felt for the guy on stage? I bet he didn't sleep that night 😂
That reaction to the Marvel reveal was absolutely painful.
I remember the game launching and seeing how the boss list was Taskmaster, Abomination, some generic giant robots and MODOK. Like, Taskmaster and Abomination were revealed in the first trailer and you faced them very early on in the fight. It give you this sense that you'll be fighting many classic Marvel villains throughout the game but no, only giant robots until MODOK.
This game is a terrible mix of a identity crisis, being tone deaf and out of touch with your audience, and greed
"Back to formula..."
@@Hitsyfication “Out am I?”
@@spyderhuntz "DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I'VE SACRIFICED!?"
@@shen5533 “Oh.”
At least this game did Taskmaster better than that absolute joke the character was made into in the Black Widow movie
Update 2023: Crystal Dynamics will stop support the game in september of this year
Update: Today the game is no longer available in Steam
We need a part II for this now that the games content cycle is over.
Best Buy didn't fullfil my preorder for Avengers so I took that cash and got Yakuza 7 and Ghost of Tsushima. Very happy they messed up my preorder.
Now that was a happy accident!
mistakes into miracles
Dodging bullets like Neo aren't you?
Ayy, talk about a happy accident!
Much better choices.
when the game gets summed up as "brawler/rpg/live service/single player adventure" you can already tell things probably went bad at some point
Shade of Fallout 76.
Honestly it's just the live service part that screwed it up. A single player action/adventure that's mostly a brawler with RPG elements sounds perfectly reasonable for a video game. It should be doable and it should turn out well with basically any competent dev team and enough of a budget.
It's not that those ingredients don't go together. They *should* make for a tasty meal. But live service is the meth abusing chef that slams a trash can on the stove for no reason, thus spilling the soup.
@@getschwifty5537 best analogy
@@getschwifty5537 Exactly! It would be less disasterous if it was completely offline and people would’ve been more forgiving about the game. But live service, diet MMO’s really, are always online and people don’t want games that are always online anymore. Offline games that you can play past the server age is the best part.
They could have made it similar to how Transformers Devastation handles its gameplay and RPG mechanics. I would have multiplayer components but that would be a distinctly separate mode and would serve more as a the cherry on top. I wouldn't even attempt to make a live service Avengers game until the sequel, at the very least. Remember that Crystal Dynamics is known for their single player games, so they needed to get the core systems down before attempting something so ambitious.
Update: Because of the commercial failure of the game, Marvel's Avengers was delisted on September 30th, 2023. And the last content update was on March 31st, 2023.
I think the worst part about this is, allegedly, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided had a ton of its developers shifted to Avengers during the final year or so of production, meaning it was released half-baked in favor of a product that wasn't even worth it :(
I can already expect a “Marvel’s Guardians of the Galaxy: Cloud Version - Wha Happun?”
Wait, just the *cloud* version is causing *strife?*
Yep
That game has a better chance from this one on the merit alone its a single player experience vs. the insane amount of sub genres this mess of a game is.
@@AKImeru don’t hold your breath
I get why the Switch version has to be that way because the console itself isn’t powerful enough to run a game like that itself so an strong internet connection is needed but at the same time why release on Switch anyway?
This whole story was depressing right from the beginning...
Prior to the black panther dlc, I was telling all my friends how I thought black panther would be the perfect choice to make a full fledged game off of. (His rise of relevance, paired with a video game allowing some of his lesser known, yet still noteworthy side kicks and villains have some lime light.)
When I was saying this, insomniac's spiderman had been out a couple months, so a 3D open world beat em up in wakanda sounded awesome.
Meanwhile here we are getting a piece of black panther centric media a couple years later...and it's an expansion on avengers.
But you can't say it doesn't look good it could always be worse
Black
That sounds like a serious Monkey's Paw scenario there
Imagine having to make choices as leader of Wakanda, if you want to open it to the world but putting the country in the global crosshairs, or stay isolated but with less outside support for internal conflict.
Do you lend a hand to the outside world or focus on your own people's issues?
I guess a shitty DLC for a shitty GAAS beatemup is cool too...
@@noway9320 this game singlehandedly set back marvel story telling games (especially any avengers ones) by a few years. so glad insomniac is doing a wolverine one
Anyone back here now that the news of its discontinuation is happening?
Me. Now comes the part we throw our heads back in laughter. Ready?
I already heard alarm bells when they first called it a "narrative-driven" live service. Because there was no way they were gonna make a grind treadmill work without satisfying combat and they can't have satisfying combat if they need to make enemies into super armored combat sponges to motivate you to grind more. Then things just got worse over time.
I look at this game and just think "Square, it would have been easier and more profitable to just port Chrono Trigger and Cross to modern consoles."
Or remake threads of fate or even vagrant story
Or remake Parasite Eve,if they even have the license anymore. And do a proper PE sequel because that 3rd Birthday garbage don't count.
@@infinitedreamer9359 oh god, a next gen Parasite Eve would be awesome
Does Square own Illusion of Gaia (Enix was involved with that game, IIRC)? I'd like at least a good remaster of that.
lol at the character models. all I can think is "YOU RENDERED THEIR STUNT DOUBLES!"
15:42 Okay, but can we just talk about how good this transition is?
I'm glad to see that Heroes Reborn continues a punchline even over 20 years later.
As long as time exists, Heroes Reborn will be a meme.
I actually felt sad about that Heroes Reborn joke cuz honestly it's just not worth it
The truly baffling thing is they apparently did another event with the same name just this year!
@@gorimbaud the new event was fun though. Not "great" but still fun
I'm honestly expecting four hundred years from now it'll make people laugh.
Kinda sad that the Ultimate Alliance games are STILL the gold standard, even UA3 after all updates now outshines this train wreck. Oh FTR being a PS4 owner, Spidey being exclusive was the death knell for me.
I definitely agree with you. I still can't what happened to Marvel's Avengers, gaming really needs to take their time to make it great because if people go back to older games than the new one's then something is definitely wrong and this go for here along with other titles like the WWE series of games!
UA3 is great.
@@lokienvyThat was my first game I got for The Switch when I got mine for Christmas. Big Marvel fan even have the first two games that my Grandma bought me
As soon as I saw the E3 reveal of this game I was like, "This is probably going to suck..."
Matt throwing in MODOK’s MVC3 theme in a video about a game where he’s the main villain is a great shout.
I wouldn't mind seeing an episode on Spongebob Squarepants: Revenge of the Flying Dutchman. That game has a very interesting development history.
Very crazy since I was just searching TH-cam videos on the development yesterday
Really? Damn, I loved that game as a kid.
I ACTUALLY loved it when i was a kid. Now it's got awful.
Can't belive I restarted it twice just to beat it. There's bugs and glitches that can halt you from progressing
@@OMGITZRUFFLZ Is it all versions or is GC exempt from this because when I played as a kid it ran smoothly. Even years later when I emulated it it was fine.
@@GreatNegus it was game cube. I collected jellyfish and they didn't respawn and some missions have specific colored jelly fish you need to progress. They don't respawn and if you caught a jellyfish prior to that mission you were screwed
The problem with most marvel things these days is that they try to replicate the movies instead of doing something new. I’m sick of new cartoons and games just trying to be the mcu
There no statement more truthful then this!
The MCU is mostly trash, so that being their inspiration is bound to produce the same. I hope Insomniac completely destroys Spiderman MCU with their next game in terms of story telling and characters.
Technically Spider-Man by Insomniac was its own thing.
I like the MCU, but I'm eternally bitter because the excellent series Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes got cut short to make way for the much less impressive Avengers Assemble.
They try so hard to make like the MCU but fail spectacularly. the Marvel spiderman 2017 cartoon is the WORST spiderman cartoon ever to exist in my humble opinion. the animation is trash,the stories are poorly paced, and the characters designs are about as bland as vanilla ice cream. It made me appreciate the Ultimate Spiderman Cartoon.
I remember the 2019 conference, and everyone being upset they spent more time talking about their live service model than explaining wtf the game was about. Everyone just wrote it off as another shameless cash grab at that point.
lol and now square sold crystal dynamics for next to nothing.
An epic Wha Happun on Marvel Studios and their history on trying to adapt all their properties for the big screen, from the depths of Howard the Duck, Roger Corman’s Fantastic 4, the various cancelled Spider-Man projects, the success of Blade, X-Men, & Spider-Man films at the turn of the century, then the formation of the MCU, would be really awesome.
Marvel Studios didn't exist prior to the MCU though
Are we including the one where Michael Jackson almost bought the rights just so he could play spider man.
Marvel Studios only existed from Iron Man onward. Anything previous were different studios and rarely the same creative people.
I definitely want to hear matt talk about the Disco Dazzler
@@ajver19 true, but the road to Marvel Studios was built on the various attempts to get Marvel onto the big screen, as was Stan Lee’s goal for the company. All of those films and deals made would eventually lead to Marvel creating their own studio to have better control over the films, and their attempts to gain the rights back to all of their properties and the shenanigans regarding Fox and the X-Men and Fantastic Four is all part of their actions from the 70s, 80s, and 90s. It would be quite an epic video because of it, probably longer than any he’s done, and heck he could also make individual episodes out of some of the films (Fantastic Four especially).
I love the ending song, Earth's Mightiest Heroes was an awesome show
I love revisiting both that and Spectacular Spider-man from time to time
Me too. I love how Earth's Mightiest Heroes brought in many characters. Especially during the Secret Invasion
Yes it was
🎶Together fight as ooonnnnnnnne🎶
Still not forgive Disney for cancelling that and Spectacular Spider-Man
Hey dude! This is Justin from Downstait. Thank you for using our version of "Fight As One" in the video! Love the channel and this was a nice surprise. ✌🏼
Marvels Avengers: We have spiderman
Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3: Oh thats cute, we have 3 of those
It's almost like they should've started off with something a bit more manageable before jumping into such an ambitious project..like the MCU did.
Yeah you would think that they'd take that page.
@@Devils_Lair_Comics That seems to be a recurring problem, attempts to try to copy the MCU and learning everything but what really mattered...
@@lsebastian9086 Dorkly's video on Civil War vs. Batman V. Superman summed it up beautifully by stating to the DC characters that this was their second outing, and they were already drawing lines in the sand thus being somewhat hard to believe, while the MCU spent years developing its characters and world to get to the point where people would buy the Avengers splitting up the way they did.
They tried to be the MCU of videogames but used the Dark Universe route.
@@lsebastian9086 yeah, but 6 $60 dollar games to copy the MCU doesnt exactly sound so nice either....
avenger games already exist...ultimate alliances and the lego games
Im convinced Sephiroth only got into Smash Bros because Square needed all that Nintendo money to make up for the bomb that was Avengers.
SE is making BANK off of FF14 right now. Theyre not hurting even with the flops theyve put out recently.
@@jeffreydanielmaurer9159 I love FF14
I didn't care about the wait, but once they started ignoring players feedback, and lying to the few new players they got, I lost all respect for these devs, also all the lazy skins they keep adding while the game is still full of day 1 bugs is just disappointing.
"Please add She-Hulk"
Man, I don't know. Have you seen how's She-Hulk in the comics these days?
Actually she's on the leaked list of characters to come after Spider-Man apparently it was kate Clint tchalla peter she-hulk and then winter soldier there's even more
No, but I've heard about her getting stuck with a bulkier design by people who got so caught up in representing a wider range of female body types that how they went about it undermined the personality traits that made her more than just "Hulk but with boobs". And from sources that don't always put it in such polite terms.
@@jinxact532 I also heard ant man,wasp, c marvel,vision,Scarlett witch and more
@@Mongoosesummoner Cool
@@Mongoosesummoner The reason why the public actually didn’t like it is because she wasn’t as ‘sexy.’ We both know how comic book fans are, what they say is just the excuse.
It honestly makes a lot more sense for her to be bulkier considering literally every other Hulk is around that size and she is suspiciously the only one alongside the Red She Hulk to be closer to what male readers like.
Simply put, that reasoning is a load of shit on the critic’s and creator’s side of things.
Man, you think this game would've been such an easy moneymaker for them, riding on the coattails of the MCU, but alas.
I believe that was actually one of its biggest problems at the time when this game finally got revealed and we saw a trailer Avengers endgame practically came out a few months ago and our journey with the OG six Avengers sort of came to a close in endgame and many people at the time and still would not be open to change despite the fact that these characters have been in games long before the MCU was a thing
Much like the Black Widow movie, it came 7 years too late for anyone to really care.
If anything this game made me really appreciated Ultimate Alliance 3 alot more.
You loved that game, thanks
That is a Better Avengers Game!
@@anthonygerardotorresgonzal6269 you think that Marvel's Avengers can be better game, without the live service
How do you feel about the first Ultimate Alliance?
@@Novablaze777 I did played it was fucking glorious, I'm begging for a remake the first Ultimate Alliance.
Goodness gracious, you can tell games like this were only made as a way to make share holders happy as the MCU was a juggernaut of a franchise and wanted to rush it out.
If you want to make a game like this, why not take your time with it, even if it took at least five years, it would be much better as a game, plus the single player would need to be the main priority, make it open world as it did Insomniac's Spiderman games so much better.
You could tell this game is a massively rushed mess.
Game designing takes time and should not be rushed no matter what.
Part of me wishes this would have been done as a sort of "Marvel Gaming Universe" to coincide with the MCU. And you lead up to the Avengers game with solo titles that help establish the remixed characters and world building of the "MGU", pretty much how the MCU did with Phase 1.
@@skibot9974
4 years, they got started in 2014 and finished it in 2018. You could say they managed to make Miles Morales game in 2 years, but that was really just a long DLC. The true sequel now took 5 years to make, as usual for current gen games. There's just no way to make games anymore in less time, unless it's not a game exclusive for next gen.
Thanos: "All that for a drop in sales".
Imagine putting in all that time, money, and energy just to make a garbage live service game.
Imagine going from great stuff like Gex to this...willingly.
imagine throwing away a beautiful franchise like deus ex for a shitty live service marvels game
They need more Tegridy
Was this why you asked for a bodied Beta Ray Bill panel on Twitter? LOL
Least the Guardians game from Eidos was surprisingly pretty good.. basically what this game should've been.
Is it worth full price? I’m a big fan of the GOTG
It would be nice to see an updated version of this video now that they practically gave away this game and delisted it from the stores .
i remember putting 5 dollars down, getting the beta and just went "oh" while playing
Lol. Damn $5 was all you needed to tell you what you were in for. :)
You couldn't pay me to play this
I remember watching a streamer play this and in the middle of a level, the friendly AI broke and we were just watching them run on the spot and attack absolutely nothing. I almost spit out my coffee.
Edit: OH MY GOD I MADE THIS COMMENT BEFORE I SAW THE GAME SINS GAG AND DARTIGAN IS THE STREAMER I WAS WATCHING.
They had one rule:
MAKE A GOOD GAME. Insomniac and Rocksteady poured their hearts out to make their games the best they could, and in the end it worked out for them financially! Make a good game, people will like it, people will buy.
Square Enix failed at this. They're focused on grinding and purchasing more and more, and that's not the correct way to go about it.
Fast forward to today with the Suicide Squad game. It seems Rocksteady did not look closely enough at Avengers to learn from its failures
Square Enix: "Nobody can screw up harder than me."
Rocksteady: "Pff... watch me."
@@archive803I refuse to believe that anyone that worked on the OG Arkham games were still around for that mess
Yeah, the first couple of lines from earth’s mightiest heroes really does match up with the game.
“ Our world’s about to break, tormented and attacked.
Lost from when we wake, with no way to go back”
I’ll add the rest if the Crystal dynamivengers somehow pulls it all together Destiny style
Now with the black panther dlc maybe
“There hadn’t been a big ambitious game to take advantage of the teams mega star status”
It’s stuff like this that makes me wonder if people really do look down on lego games. At least lego avengers didn’t make me pay them a stupid amount for shitty skins. Hell if I remember correctly they had even a few dlc for spider-man or something
They had paid DLC, but the Spider-Man DLC pack was actually free
I have yet to see a person, who looked upon LEGO games with disdain, you always get what you expect, with a quality control yet to faulter, remaining one of the rare cases of "kids game that doesn't think about children as exploitable dumbasses who can't understand nuance and would eat up any kind of shit, and you could actually enjoy them playing as an adult"
@@SpiderPotterFan I haven't paid for a single thing and have all the games content minus some skins I could give a shit less about
Yes thank you! And the games are less clunky, fighting wise and have far more content.
Having played 3 of them I can say I do. Maybe it’s because they were earlier ones(Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Batman) but while Star Wars was good,the others felt very cookie cutter.
It's a bit upsetting that they didn't take any real inspiration from the comics and just made a story that attempts to clone the MCU.
They were probably forced to do so. Still, to the game merits, loved how they wrote Dr. Banner compared to the mcu.
The MCU's okay, but when translated to a video game it just looks really bland and unexciting. Making superheroes play like typical game characters in pretty standard looking environments just makes them seem extra mundane.
Same go when they try to implented them in comics and cartoon.
I think that's a good point-- I'm so used to seeing Iron Man, Captain America, and Thor do the things they do, it's not special to me.
One Punch Man has so much excitement, even Dragon Ball Z characters seem like such legendary heros, but at this point I can't help but be sick and tired of MCU characters.
There's nothing special about them really, I don't know what it is, but something about them is so expected and normal that I can't feel properly excited anymore.
@@LostHope84 No it's more that normal superheros are boring.
Tell me, if you were going to make a Superman movie, who would care? He saves Lois Lane, he fights Lex Luther, he should have massive incredible superpowers but it just amounts to the destruction of buildings.
Everybody is sick and tired of old American superheros-- there's nothing left to say about them or do with them.
My point is that anime is often far better written than American action movies. "One Punch Man" is a show about a guy who can kill anything with one punch. It makes him stronger than any god, any beast, and it's caused him to become lazy and disinterested in the things that used to give him joy; he's purposeless now that he's achieved his goal of strength.
THIS Is what Superman should be-- according to the comics, Superman's punch should liquify you, but American movies are afraid to show that. Superman should have an interesting psyche being the strongest thing alive, but instead he's some boring goody-two-shoes.
My point isn't that "yellow hair + screaming = good show", I'm saying that anime treats it's heroes with the hype and legendary status that they deserve, while american films are afraid to let their heroes actually feel like super heroes, and instead just feel like soulless puppets that do whatever the plot requires in order to get to the next action scene.
Maybe they will make good Batman movies in the future, but as far as I can see, I would much rather see anything else besides another "legendary ultra showdown for marvel characters" when they're all the same and are completely uninteresting.
@@boiboi7717 Thats not even true Animes lost their charm, specially Dragonball is something that almost everyone doesn‘t watch anymore because it gets boring,repetitive and stupid.
If it is about the Western Heroes well you are wrong by that, they still sell much better then Mangas, their shows have more watchers and we don‘t have to talk about the movies because everybody knows who wins.
The Numbers say everything
@@Dragonflee100 The numbers say everything-- the American comic book industry is dying.
Also, I agree that DBZ is not that much fun to watch anymore, I definitely think it's past it's prime.
However, the media it appears in, for instance "Dragon Ball FighterZ", the Dragon Ball fighting game, is a perfect representation of the strength and style of it's characters, whereas comic book video games often feel homogenous, as the original comment was saying.
Going watch the video again after hearing the recent news for Marvel's Avengers.
Everything that shouldn't happen happened in this "game".
You know a game is bad when you feel shame for owning it.
And feel pride for not owning it
Why are you talking about my pre ordered copy of Aliens Colonial Marines?
@@burn1none Sorry for your loss
I’m going to be honest I pre ordered this game and love it aside from the confusing online and Kamala, Kamala sucked
@@saltgoatshaker8844 me 2
ANY TRUE BELIEVERS IN THE HOUSE
Crowd: Yeah I guess woo
"You idiots you've captured their stunt doubles!"
Ok, the editing on this was top shelf.
Here’s my sub.
Thanks!
Can you do Hello Neighbor? I'm extremely curious as to how the game went from having an alpha that many considered to be better than the final game.
Those devs keep harassing Matpat to do more theory videos. It’s very obnoxious I wanna see him tear into hello neighbor
Came here as soon as i saw the news to say, that Marvel's Avenger's is officially dead, Crystal Dynamics has pulled the plug and won't be supporting it after September
“This ps2 game looks cool” really got me
Don't forget, there was a bug after an update that accidentally showed off your IP address on the screen while you were playing.
Avengers: World’s Mightest Doxxers
This title man, I had so much hope for this, even when I shouldn't, since Crystal Dynamics never made a game like this, and at this scale. Square did the "Showed off the game too early", and making their own mark on Marvel, with the amount of talent behind it... So now, it's so freakin' rough with how bad this went, like, I can't sugarcoat it. The bugs, the look, the entire thought process, PLUS COVID! When Destiny didn't launch well, and took it's time to get to where it is today, but Avengers doesn't have Destiny's luck or patience. I haven't played the game in months, but I still want to like it, maybe Black Panther's expansion will change it, or Square Enix will double down on making sure Guardians NEVER ends up like this, and making sure everyone knows it.
I hate feeling ripped off and lied to after buying games and now a days it's like there trying extra hard to rip everyone off
@@jount4195 free dlc is a rip off ? That's crazy
@@natemakesbeats2138 no I meant it feels like some developers are making crappy games on purpose and trying to trick us into buying them like saying free stuff every month or something then not keeping there promises
@@jount4195 yup I'm tired of this "release a broken game and fix it over a year or more" mentality that is oh so prevalent these days. I miss when games launched complete.
Sadly this isn’t the last live service game we’re getting from square. Babylon’s fall is eventually coming another live service title instead of crystal dynamics working on a game it’s Platinum games that’s joining the live service band wagon.
Anyone else think that making the characters more cartoony/animated akin to how the Street Figter cast look would have at least saved some folks from the headache that turned into the licensing issue? In the end, everyone looked like wax and that was because they tried to make them realistic but then they couldn't because rights issues and shit.
If the costumes were better, than I think people wouldn't mind as much. I still can't believe that CD thought the Cap design they used was acceptable.
@@harlannguyen4048 There was no winning from any angle, was there?
@@SuperCosmicMutantSquid What do you mean?
Bought this game 2 weeks before it got delisted with all of the DLC and microtransactions removed (the "Definitive Edition"), and even without the live service BS, it still felt kinda bland; don't get me wrong, the gameplay is fun and feels good, but there's almost no substance that makes me go back to play anything that isn't the story mode.
Also Matt, if you're reading this, She-Hulk was going to be added, but got scrapped alongside the game entirely...
This wouldn’t have happened if Disney kept Marvel: Avengers Alliance around.
@@pheenmachine correct
@@pheenmachine I wish I could have played Marvel Heroes more
Oh that Facebook game, i still miss it so much.
ANd seeing what MCu showed with the 2017 movies and all that potential left for the missions...having Yondu added, and still solving a few stuff.
Not to mention the one time you can have howard the duck team up with squirrel girl, or any combination off the heroes arround even recent or obscure ones.
And dont get me started on the varied villain factions between hellfire club, maggia, HYDRA, AIM, frost giants, Hel troops, the circle off eight, Demons. A facebook game had more variety off roster and char and use even if at some points mutants werent as used thanks to PErlmutter's meddling
It still makes me wonder how did Square fail so bad
Marvel Future Revolution on mobile may fill that Marvel Heroes fix in late September when it releases worldwide.
Fans are trying to bring it back with MAA Redux. I am keeping an eye on it. I miss that game a lot.
Its telling to compare this game to the somewhat contemporaneous release of Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3 which not only embraced its comic book (not MCU) elements while setting modest goals for its gameplay model, and thus made much more money via having far less overhead costs.
Marvel Ultimate Alliance always wins in the end
Marvel Ultimate Alliance 1 was still way better though. The 3rd game didn't even have any unique dialogue interactions like the 1st game.
"No need to beat the dead Beta Ray Bill here" lmao
So now that they can't get any more new players into buying the game, they're gonna bleed the hell out of the players that already bought it, with DLC. Sounds promising.
What about a What Happened? to Space Jam: A New Legacy?
@@bjchit How?
@@Santoryu90 guaranteed it’s because the Lola titties got nerfed
Oh my God, _yes._
@@SteeZy644 It’s so dumb some people are actually upset about that
@@bjchit "THEY NERFED THE RABBIT TITTIES NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" - your reaction
Thsts so sad that the guy had to ask who's a true believer till he could get any noise. Not even a cough is just heart breaking a cold didn't want to be there.
I really tried to justify myself getting it. I mean, I love superheroes. I love videogames about superheroes. And not just that, I loved the entire concept of a game where I could play as the Avengers with unique movesets and take advantage of their team-like qualities to get through obstacles!
Unfortunately, the thing that truly kills it for me is that repetitive empty landscape they put you in for each objective. It feels like there's nothing to do. And that's...really surprising in a game with a bunch of people with superpowers and semi-unique moves to each other.
I like how you REALLY tried to sound sincere about the whole "TWO COMPLETELY original characters" line, when in reality it was just "We got Hawkeye and younger female Hawkeye"! LOL
Good choice in music for the outro.
Avengers: EMH is probably one of the best comic book to tv adaptations I have ever seen.
Recently went back and watched the first couple Kang episodes.
Fantastic.
Too bad, they to cancel to make way for their terrible Avengers Assemble show. Having this piece of shit last 5 seasons scratches my head.
Ultron in that show shapedy view on what villains should be.
Forever fight as ONEEEEEEEEEE
Can you do a wha happun? On Fantastic 4 (2014) I think it deserves it.
*Fant4stic
Considering how just about EVERYTHING went wrong with that one, I bet it would be a very long video.
The one from 2015 that was directed by Alan Smithee* ... oops, I mean Josh Trank.
* This is an old time placeholder pseudonym used when a director gets his name pulled from the credits in response to studio/executive interference.
@@ourdivinemouseoverlord3308 yeah man, why do you think I want to see it? I like hearing Matt talk.
Yo, the Takeover game looks amazing.
The pixel art is super good and the environments are very atmospherically beautiful.
Congratulations for it, Matt. The game must have took you many hours to make.
Probably a year response late but that game is very fun to play.
I gotta try it!
Hey Matt! You probably aren't gonna see this but I was wondering what software you use to animate your character? It looks like it might be a character rig from an After Effects, or Adobe Animate Plugin is that accurate? Thanks!
Matt: The live service model was already wearing out it's welcome.
Ubisoft: Now hold on, I think we can still milk out an Assassin's Creed first.
Part of me hopes AC infinite withers away. I've loved and hated the series, but it's disappointing to watch it mutate further and further
They should just end it with one last game. They’re running out of creative ideas.
@@Spider-Man2094 a million historical settings to choose from, but no damn confidence in their original gameplay: crowds, stabbing, running.
I think it's stupid that if you want closure on the Juno stuff following Syndicate, you have to read the comics (which Ubisoft did a terrible job a telling people that).
@@D3wd20p to be fair, some of the original gameplay wasnt all that fun. i mean at least now those damn 'listen to a conversation while 2 people just walk around for a bit' missions ended 🙏
Marvel's Avengers: *Releases just a few characters because of covid*
Warframe: *P A T H E T I C*
Yeah well Warframe also doesn't really deliver on their xpacs either, frames aside. I'm sure the whole railjack debacle is still fresh is everyone's mind.
@@doctorbrown5957 yeaaah, that’s what made me quit playing. All of these companies using COVID as an excuse is tiring. Easy scapegoat, I suppose.
@@Rasmos I can genuinely get why a major event can damage chances but after a while...it becomes just an excuse, and specially if one sees other studios or people handling things better
Since the making of this video, Spider-Man has been added to the game, but the platinum trophy is unobtainable due to a bugged trophy.
And he was a PlayStation exclusive which sucks.
It is september 2022 and since launch almost 2 years ago, only 4 characters were added to Avengers and they announced that Winter Soldier will join them. Not Falcon, not Ant-Man and the Wasp, not Vision, not Captain Marvel, but a character wasn't actually Avengers member until he was named next Captain America.
I love the fact that Todd Howard is in the lineup for reasons bad games happen
Yeah, after fallout 76 I’m never buying a Bethesda game day 1 again. I didn’t buy 76 but it shows just how much they don’t give a fuck
The Avengers Assemble theme at the end just reminds me of a time when the property was adapted successfully. AA Wasp is the GOAT.
Where is my Gex 4 with outdated references to the late 90's and early 2000's.