Naka: *created and programmed Nights* Also Naka: *makes a Nights 2.0 character in Balan Wonderworld and relegates his gameplay to a QTE minigame in 2021* BRUH MOMENT
@@islandboy9381 ALSO also Yuji Naka Early 90s: Is one of the founders of the Sonic franchise, where you can jump with no issue and can perform more than 1 action. 2021: Creates Balan, a game where you can perform only 1 action at any time, and you cannot jump at any time... in a PLATFORM.
What really happened was the following. QA Department: Alright, we are ready to start bug testing. SEGA: What do you mean? We shipped the game last week!
Oh, I was looking for this comment. Free Riders is the Kinect abomination that unfortunately killed the spin-off series, the first one (the one that came out in 2006) and Zero Gravity were good, not to the level of Mario Kart, or the All-Stars Racing games that followed, but I had a lot of fun with them.
How come no one ever talk about Mephiles? The greatest Sonic villian out there. Of all of the 06 videos i've seen, there's only one where Mephiles was brought up.
Most of the people who talk about this game don't give a shit about him or any of the other actually good things in this game, not that there's a lot but still
These changed loading screen "messages" are cracking me up. 14:24 is particularly ridiculous! But man, knowing why all this happened makes Sonic 06 even more of a travesty.
17:29 Yuji Naka moves "on to Square-Enix in a 2018 in an unknown capacity." I'm here from the future. It would've been better if the world had never known how this turned out.
The real tragedy is that Sega was so fixated on the whole 15th birthday thing, that they couldn't realize that the "sweet sixteen" birthday would have been more than acceptable anyway.
Sega tends to fixate on anniversaries and holidays a lot. It burns them over and over and they keep doing it. This isn't a lesson they are willing to learn.
@@infinimineyt9700 That's because a billionaire donated over 600 million dollars to save Sega from bankruptcy. Without him Sega would have died back in 2001. More of that in "What happened?: Dreamcast"
I’m noticing a pattern with a lot of these. All of these games seem to start out strong, but the management starts asking for more, while taking away from what they already have. The real villain behind these failed games is almost always incompetent management.
The other pattern is "The people who made X are gone now." "X isn't that hard! We'll make our own X with blackjack and hookers! Here, small cheap studio who has worked on a puzzle game once that we just bought, make the next X! By the way, we need X by Christmas, kthanksbye"
Stubborness and pride to outsource it to a more competent team. When a small group of fans can make a much better game based on your property its time to put it into someone elses hands
@Valentino Jesus No it didn't, go away. Also you bumped it up to 20 minutes now. 10, 15, 20. Seems like your fake hacking app is getting worse and worse.
To be fair, often times newer builds bring back old issues anyways... I'm reminded of all the bugs in The Sims 2 and 3 that had to be patched multiple times because updates and expansions would bring them back... Game development is tricky...
One of my favorite moments from this game was during near end of Shadow's story when a GUN Soldier's voice actor messed up his line and does a retake without being edited into the final release. Quality control right there.
Well, english localization (voice acting + translation) is it's own thing in Sonic games, all the time since SA1, so out of all problems this one is last to blame
@@londonjackson8986 But then Sega listened and started making the games Sonic-only after that, but the fans are pissed and want the playable characters to return.
Never has there been a game so destructive to the reputation of a once icon. It's one of the most depressing and amazing things the history of the industry.
@@jouheikisaragi6075 Yeah, because of 06, all the things that made Sonic great to so many people (serious and epic stories, multiple playable characters, pure 3D gameplay etc.) have been thrown out.
@@johnathonturner2279 Well, those were ALSO in the OTHER well received game such as SA1, SA2, and Heroes. There's no serious plot in the Genesis games though. I would call the last part of Sonic 2 and most of Sonic 3 epic though. also... there's no 3D in the genesis games.
@@TailsGuy72 That's kind of my point. The most well received games are the Genesis games, which did not feature ANY of the things Thomas mentioned besides more playable character (even then, they still played closely to Sonic). Serious stories did not make Sonic great. Multiple characters did not make Sonic great. And 3D sure as fuck didn't make Sonic great. Let me put it like this. Is there even ONE 3D Sonic game that isn't currently divisive? Like it or not, even the Adventure duology is incredibly mixed. Also, Heroes wasn't well received to begin with.
@@revaryk6868 One of the head writers for the comic in the 90's and early 2000's. He had some...interesting fixations. Oddly enough the one good thing about '06 is that it ended up getting him removed, since Sega was going through a big marketing push and discovered to their horror that "The World's Most Way Past Cool Comic!" had a cover that was Sonic crying in an alley because Sally was getting married to another man.
Sega seems completely unable to comprehend that a bad game is bad forever, while a late release is just late. Take the time to release a good product damn you!
@@Astrojandro They learned the wrong lessons. They changed Sonic from a fast hedgehog with no so fast but useful companions (and big the cat) to a blue rocket with red shoes and no one else, who left a huge fracture on the fanbase and the Spin-off for the adventure fans was a huge mess.
@@evdestroy4121 Reminder that the actual game was only worked on for a year, while the engine was worked on for 3. It was delayed because *there was no game*
Please 06 was in X-Box and PS3 there could just patched the game to be more functional. It was the first generation that made this possible and No man Sky more than showed that yes patching a game and keep supporting it for the next few years can undo a terrible release. But that wasn't that Sega did no was it. NO there rather order to abandon the game and move on to the next project.
Heh... to be fair... there are two redeeming qualities of Sonic 06... it's has an amazing soundtrack that was deserving of a much, much better game, and it is a meme goldmine... But seriously though, other than those two things, I can't think of a reason to say any of 06 was good
During Shadow’s playthrough, they left in an outtake on some nameless officer telling you to go to Wave Ocean. That’s enough for me to give this game one more point than it deserves, launching it from a 2 to a 3.
You know Sonic unleashed was a better Sonic 06 with added werehog levels that were TOOOOO ABUNDANT. Honestly. Sonic unleashed and Colors are the better Sonic games for the speed sections arguably.
Shadow's character was handled pretty okay. I mean, he isn't a one-dimensional edgelord in the game, unlike how he's portrayed in his game and pretty much all the Sonic media featuring him in the 2010's.
I can't believe Sega was so adamant about sticking to that 15th anniversary deadline. Losing crucial team members over the years was bad enough, but not allowing the smaller team time to fix the game was asinine. A 15 year anniversary isn't even a big thing! 10 years fine, 20 sure, 25 go for it. 15 is such an arbitrary number by comparison.
The loss of Yasuhara, Ohshima and Naka must have been really painful to Sega and Iizuka, because these three were the ones that made Sonic great in the first place. Since Colors the budget for developing Sonic games is shrinking more and more, and it shows with "recent" releases like Forces and TSR, which is a shame.
It was more so forcing it out of the door for a Christmas 2006 release to go along with the PS3 release and 1st anniversary of Xbox 360s to be honest. Sega greedily wanting to attempt to be relevant during early console release windows before more established games came along and sucked up the 7th gen playerbase (CoD 4, Halo 3, GTA IV etc). Sega of America likely had management that wanted to increase their 2006 Fiscal year bonuses while Japanese management had similar ambitions, and they assumed "it's Sonic, people will buy it anyway" which definitely didn't carry over into the Wii games, Sonic 4 or Unleashed at all 👨🦯
@@HollowPsyche It started as a game called Black Lotus then was rebranded as True Crime: Hong Kong, then after a mountain of complications, it was rebranded again. This time, as Sleeping Dogs.
Or something like Final Fantasy XIV (1.0). Which was released in a terrible state only to be rebuild as a completely new game later and now is one of the best mmos on the market currently (A realm reborn).
i still dont understand how sonic forces ended up soo bad....there had to be some development hell going on in the background i mean how else will they go from the super refined gameplay of colors and generations ....to that....just how....why...
From what i heard a lot of main staff from Sonic Team have move to rebuild US division and left pretty small team on Sonic Force that’s why the game is so uninspired and mediocre
@@mattboy2313 They also spent 4 years making it however the actual game itself was only 1 year, the rest was making the hedgehog engine 2 and the concept of sonic forces
'Yuji Naka went to Squarenix in an unknown capacity' Unfortunate since now we've seen what he's been doing there and wonder if it's better or worse than Sonic 2006.
It's honestly worse. At least Sonic 06 is somewhat playable and has some redemable qualities here and there. A 3/10 is still better than a 2/10 even though both are very bad.
When you fix all the problems in the demo but the full game gets released with all the same bugs and problems, you know you're setting yourself up for failure
Definitely feel like Sonic: The Dark Brotherhood is worth a Wha Happun, particularly because of the entire shitstorm of drama that game was at the center of
Blakebot J I believe it had something to do with a writer for the Archie sonic comic getting all pissed, claiming that the game ripped off the stuff he had in the comics, resulting in a messy legal battle that ended up preventing any echidna characters besides knuckles from being in the comic again (Oh also said writer was kinda a creep, and wrote I believe an infamous tweet, but I can't remember it exactly, if you want more info, google ken penders, I think that's his name)
One reason why this project failed was the level designers. There were 6, yet none of them had worked on a Sonic game before. Director did have some experience with SA1 tho, but he had never directed a Sonic game before, or since for that matter. This was doomed to fail imo, rushed development or not.
@@JG_Wentworth Actually, they didn't. They were newbies. It was the director who worked on LW and Colors. I kinda liked the game for what it was, but they shouldn't have billed it as a spiritual succesor to Generations, if you're not gonna have the same director or level designers.
@@JG_Wentworth Both 06 and Forces were trying to follow the footsteps from SA1 and Gens, yet they both had different directors and level designers from their inspirations. We can see how that turned out.
@@yoelazar3935 That's why you need people that actually have experience with the successful games in a franchise to, you know, *work on games for that franchise.* It baffles me how far Sega will go to cut corners that aren't even there.
@@JG_Wentworth You're right. I still say that this could've turned out better if Iizuka and his group worked on it, yet they were busy on america doing that Nights sequel for Wii. 😔
“Yuji Naka would never find the success he had with sega again... ...before moving on to square enix in 2018 in an unknown capacity” is the funniest line in this video two years later
"...the charming Rhythm Thief and the Emperor's Treasure..." God sometimes I feel like I am the only person who remembers that game existed, which is a damn shame! That game was great!
Crazy how the discussion around 06 is still: "Sonic Team's incompetent for releasing a game of this quality". and not: "Sega's insane for rushing 06 out despite knowing Sonic Team bled Yuji Naka plus a bunch of other staff during a keypoint in development and didn't hire more devs or delay the game."
The Xbox 360 Era is perfect for Wha Happun? So many bold ideas stepping forward and confidently into fields of dung. I'd propose an episode on Two Worlds, the game that taught me that bad games existed.
The only thing I remember from that game was the horrible voice acting and that pushing the B button to backstep made you unstoppable. **Monotone** "YEE GODS!"
ProJared has a video on that as far as I remember! I might go rewatch it now. You should too if you want videos on it, but even then I still hope Matt does a video too!
@@kaydwessie296 I've seen ProJared's video, even met the guy and got him to sign my copy of Two Worlds, but Matt gets into the production of games and that's why I love this series. Even if Matt doesn't take my suggestion, directing him to the Xbox 360 library is enough for me.
Wow. I knew the game was rushed, but I didn’t know just how screwed the game was. I actually have some respect for the ‘06 dev team now. They tried so freaking hard...
It's honestly ridiculous on how Sega still managed to get up on two feet after this game, though pretty much limping everywhere it goes to this day. Though I will say I think with how the company is still around and Sonic being battered and bruised as a franchise doing whatever it can to say up is weirdly comforting in a way. I honestly dunno what a world without Sega would be like, I dunno if any of their franchises would survive or continue to this day without the company and those involved with it. After 2006 despite the thumbing around, there have been various game that are honestly some of the most fun I had with a game and I don't mean just the Sonic ones but other IPs of theirs in general. We've gotten a butt load of Yakuza games since then that are also localized, they've been thriving with Football Managers in the PC space, they've allowed some of Platinum Games line-up to be published and no matter how bad things get, still try to treat fans and customers with respect (except for maybe Colonial Marines). And in an industry where there's a lot of lies and hidden secrets they at least try to be transparent about what they do. Call me crazy to still have some faith in them especially with the rather unremarkable Team Sonic Racing soon coming out as a half-baked tribute to Sonic running on the S&SASR engine, there are areas that I think indicate that there's people wanting to do their all for what they're working on. And basically what I have to end this with is. Sega should give literally every team they have a similar leniency they gave Christian Whitehead, Simon Thomley and the rest of their guys. Maybe the same leniency the Yakuza team has also.
I definitely agree, though part of me does wonder that is part of the reason they aren't the power house company they were in the 90s any more because they take the more honest route. I mean look at companies like Blizzard, EA, Bethesda, etc. They keep everything they possibly can as close to their chests as possible, tell us nothing, get tons of hate from gamers all over the world, yet somehow still are some of the biggest money making game companies there are.
Gotta feel bad for Shun Nakamura. At least he was able to redeem himself with Rhythm Thief. A fantastic game that really, really deserves a sequel. As for Naka...well, I think it's pretty clear from how Balan Wonderworld turned out that he's probably cleaning out his desk at Square-Enix as we speak.
@@sevvycat2 Probably exhausted with the game industry I got a feeling Jeff Kaplan too might retire from the game industry to move on to something else other than just working on video games
Sonic '06 has exactly three redeeming qualities: 1. *Enjoyable* music. 2. Good for speedruns. 3. Hilarious cutscenes that one can enjoy like fine wine alongside the classic Adventure games. 3.5: Have you seen Mephiles? Have you HEARD Mephiles?
A common thread I'm noticing in the "Wha Happun?" series so far is that every time (again, so far; I haven't watched them all) Japanese developers fuck up a game, _they own it._ They claim fault, and say it was their burden. Project leads and directors say "This was _my_ fault as the leader, not the individual developers." Western development heads... don't seem to do that. They'll point at the janitor's _dog_ to be at fault before they'll own up to their own fuck ups. lol
Of only that dog didn't need to eat, then the janitor wouldn't have to waste so much time feeding it and could focus on keeping the place clean fir the devs.
@@kiarah.371 (I do too, it's just it clearly has several flaws that drag down it's overall staying power and it's incomplete story due to lacking a sequel hurts a lot.)
Tbh I kinda groaned when I saw the title; this game has been discussed so many times because lol it’s awful. I was wrong. Your research and dedication to the game at hand is always so pristine. My mate bong and I thank you 👍🏻❤️
I would like to shoutout: if anyone is actually interested in seeing like an ACTUAL playable/good (as good as it can be) version of Sonic 06, youtubers like somecallmejohnny have also recently played the sonic p-06 prototype, a "remade from the ground up on pc" demo of Sonic 06 and it shows you how much polish was added. Great vid Matt !
Makes you look at the game in a new light. It wasn't the games fault. It could have been good. But hey, they got what they wanted. Nobody will EVER forget Sonic's 15th anniversary.
Wow, I feel really bad for the development team. You constantly see people saying that the game must have been made by incompetent buffoons; it's sad to know that these people took the blame in the public's mind for problems that were really out of their control.
Sega: We’re making the most technically advanced Sonic game in HD. Staff: Good thing we have Yuji Naka to help us, right? Sega: … Staff: Good thing we have Yuji Naka to help us, right?
Its my understanding that the game was beeing developed for ps4 and xbox 1, and mid development Sega made the game a Wii U exclusive. Big Red Button had a very hard time porting what they already had to the Wii U and overall development was damaged.
Even worse Super Mario Galaxy came out the next year. Can you imagine releasing one of the worst games ever only to find that your former rival released one of the best games of all time the next year?
Alot of Sonic 06 Fans will talk about how the game had so much potential. But not only do I disagree with that, because even if everything worked without glitches, the game would just be a bloated mess, we never got the game "how it was meant to be".
Theres SO MUCH value in making a character that people love . Look at sonic- No matter what garbage sonic the hedgehog is attached to, people still love the character and will always suppourt sonic products regardless of quality . Thats a testament to how well designed the character is. Say what you will about sonic, but you cant deny how well the character works.
@@jordancromwell We enjoy the games because, at the end, they offer a level of flow and satisfaction you don't find in other, far more conventional platformers. They do suffer from flaws and they don't leave the best first impressions, but you start to warm up to them with some patience or practice. 06 is still bad tho, i can't defend it, even if it has some redeeming qualities.
SEGA have such a long history of shooting themselves in the foot and Sonic '06 is the most egregious example. This was a 15th anniversary celebration for the franchise that put you on the map. Deadlines be damned, this should have had love and care put into it. And to make matters worse, the *other* 15th anniversary game ended up being a pile of shit too.
As impressive as it was that people stuck with the project until release, I would've just quit to make a point. If Sega wants their sonic game, they should support their sonic team.
I was also thinking this, I never played Forces myself but from what I've seen it's well polished enough to be playable, that alone is leaps and bounds beyond Sonic 06 and Boom, plus some of it at least looks kind of fun to play. I think the problem is with it being released so close to Mania, I mean Sonic Mania was literally the game all Sonic fans had been begging for since like Sonic Adventure 1&2 so to have a game like Forces come what seemed like only days after it probably just had a lot of fans like "NO! YOU JUST RELEASED THE GOOD ONE WHY ARE YOU GOING BACK?!"
I'm just happy that we have a focused, polished game with no dumb design choices or padding. It's no Generations, but i will take anything after the atrocity that Rise of Lyric was.
Right. It was even worse on PS3. Longer loading times, framerate was choppier, in game cutscenes ran at 30 fps, and the graphics looked a bit downgraded.
It's because the PS3 had a bizarre and complex architecture compared to the 360. It was shockingly common back in the day for the 360 versions of multiplatform titles to either run better or have better graphics because the 360 was just easier to program for, while the only PS3 games that really put the PS3's custom hardware to good use were the first-party titles.
At least Sonic is doing good nowadays. Sure, Forces wasn't great, but Lost World, especially post patch, was pretty good, generations was great and so was colors. Do I even need to mention Mania? I'm a fan of Sonic, but I'm not blind to the fact that THIS came out, followed by an arguably worse Secret Rings. I look forward to the next game, but I'm not going to jump on it like I did Generations.
"Yuji Naka went to square enix in some unknown capacity" *distant screams of agony*
Lmao
Oof
Yeah, he left SE too.
Naka: *created and programmed Nights*
Also Naka: *makes a Nights 2.0 character in Balan Wonderworld and relegates his gameplay to a QTE minigame in 2021*
BRUH MOMENT
@@islandboy9381
ALSO also Yuji Naka
Early 90s: Is one of the founders of the Sonic franchise, where you can jump with no issue and can perform more than 1 action.
2021: Creates Balan, a game where you can perform only 1 action at any time, and you cannot jump at any time... in a PLATFORM.
What really happened was the following.
QA Department: Alright, we are ready to start bug testing.
SEGA: What do you mean? We shipped the game last week!
Oh no!...
Was there ever really a QA department or was it just a stickie note that said "QA department" above a open window?
They had bug testers... they were just completely ignored.
So many golden nuggets from that GameGrumps Playthrough.
GrandCorsair Oh, they had a QA department. Whether or not they were listened to is another story entirely
"Billy Who, and the giant wha...?"
I WILL FIGHT YOU, MATT!
I think you mistook Sonic Free Riders for Sonic Riders
Oh, I was looking for this comment. Free Riders is the Kinect abomination that unfortunately killed the spin-off series, the first one (the one that came out in 2006) and Zero Gravity were good, not to the level of Mario Kart, or the All-Stars Racing games that followed, but I had a lot of fun with them.
How come no one ever talk about Mephiles? The greatest Sonic villian out there. Of all of the 06 videos i've seen, there's only one where Mephiles was brought up.
Most of the people who talk about this game don't give a shit about him or any of the other actually good things in this game, not that there's a lot but still
@@windandfireproductions5358 Like the story for instance.
@@thesnesgeek shadow and sliver's are decent but most people who do videos on this game are trying to make sonic look bad
Sega: "Games have to be released FAST"
Same with Activision blizzard with yearly release of cod
completely unrelated but that footage of buzz jungle party at 0:17 brought back TONS of memories with my sisters
These changed loading screen "messages" are cracking me up. 14:24 is particularly ridiculous!
But man, knowing why all this happened makes Sonic 06 even more of a travesty.
SEGA didn’t shoot his foot instead he shot his whole head off
17:29 Yuji Naka moves "on to Square-Enix in a 2018 in an unknown capacity."
I'm here from the future. It would've been better if the world had never known how this turned out.
Bro got arrested🤣🤣
You've got to fuck up pretty bad for the demo to be objectively better than the entire game.
Eggman/Robotnik thinks he’s Sonic’s greatest threat, but it’s actually Sega
The real tragedy is that Sega was so fixated on the whole 15th birthday thing, that they couldn't realize that the "sweet sixteen" birthday would have been more than acceptable anyway.
Sega: b-buh our bi-decade big events for marketing!
Sega tends to fixate on anniversaries and holidays a lot. It burns them over and over and they keep doing it. This isn't a lesson they are willing to learn.
Not being racist but I don't think "Sweet 16" is part of Japanese Culture
Sweet Sixteen is only a thing in some Western countries. It means nothing in Japan.
@@skibot9974 ...Holy crap you reminded me of something. They also released Sonic 1 on GBA that year. Good god.
SEGA is always their own worst enemy.
Its really quite miraculous they have not imploded after like 30 years tripping over themselves
@@infinimineyt9700 That's because a billionaire donated over 600 million dollars to save Sega from bankruptcy. Without him Sega would have died back in 2001. More of that in "What happened?: Dreamcast"
@@N12015 Yes I am aware of that fact. A generous man to be sure
@@N12015 Wow I never knew, Does Sega talk about it?
Own worst enemy when it comes to sonic
Since they've been making good games recently that aren't sonic
I’m noticing a pattern with a lot of these. All of these games seem to start out strong, but the management starts asking for more, while taking away from what they already have. The real villain behind these failed games is almost always incompetent management.
SEGA is always Sonic's greatest enemy
@@GiordanDiodato yeah. And splitting the team to make a wii version during development
Almost every time
The other pattern is
"The people who made X are gone now."
"X isn't that hard! We'll make our own X with blackjack and hookers! Here, small cheap studio who has worked on a puzzle game once that we just bought, make the next X! By the way, we need X by Christmas, kthanksbye"
This is happening with every game company activision blizzard and electronic arts
god.
Sega how could you mishandle your MASCOT SO HORRIBLY
Stubborness and pride to outsource it to a more competent team. When a small group of fans can make a much better game based on your property its time to put it into someone elses hands
@@Khranok They had a contract with Microsoft so it had to be rushed. Also the team split up.
@Valentino Jesus No it didn't, go away. Also you bumped it up to 20 minutes now.
10, 15, 20. Seems like your fake hacking app is getting worse and worse.
And IPS
i'm still impressed how the fans still haven't move on from this game
I cannot believe that they fixed issues and then discarded those fixes. Like that is insane
gotta meet those silly deadlines
Certain bits of code have to be rewritten when firmware and dev kits change.
Certain things have to be discarded to be rewritten later.
To be fair, often times newer builds bring back old issues anyways... I'm reminded of all the bugs in The Sims 2 and 3 that had to be patched multiple times because updates and expansions would bring them back... Game development is tricky...
Version Control is a bitch.
Lmfao this entire thing was completely insane.
One of my favorite moments from this game was during near end of Shadow's story when a GUN Soldier's voice actor messed up his line and does a retake without being edited into the final release.
Quality control right there.
There’s a line like that in oblivion as well!
Well, english localization (voice acting + translation) is it's own thing in Sonic games, all the time since SA1, so out of all problems this one is last to blame
@@londonjackson8986 But then Sega listened and started making the games Sonic-only after that, but the fans are pissed and want the playable characters to return.
"Head to wave ocean...Head to WAVE ocean immediately"
My favorite part is the Sonic-Silver fight, there really was no use in the end.
Sonic 06: The first Uphill-Snowboarding game in the world
Some motherfuckers always tryin' to snowboard uphill.
@@drifter402 Oh, they did
@the Hero Yeah, I imagine Sonic 06 would be far less frustrating without the two minute load times, for sure.
@the Hero It ran a 4fps, the controls were worse than ever, the visuals were smeary and ugly and Eggmanland is just as jank as the average 06 level
@the Hero and boosting while drifting would frequently cause assets to load in too late.
Yuji Naka just went to buy cigarettes, he’ll be back... eventually...
DAD, COME HOME :(
Yeah... Not really
Pax Insanire That’s the joke.
@@dreamstone00 r/Woosh
YUJI WE NO LONGER NEED YOU SEGA FINALLY FOUND THEIR FOOTI...i just...WHA HAPPUN
Never has there been a game so destructive to the reputation of a once icon. It's one of the most depressing and amazing things the history of the industry.
A game so horrible that has kept Sonic in a state of PTSD for 15 years.
@@jouheikisaragi6075 Yeah, because of 06, all the things that made Sonic great to so many people (serious and epic stories, multiple playable characters, pure 3D gameplay etc.) have been thrown out.
@@epsilonalphaargo1948 Yeah, all three of those were in the Genesis (i.e. the most well received) games.
@@johnathonturner2279 Well, those were ALSO in the OTHER well received game such as SA1, SA2, and Heroes. There's no serious plot in the Genesis games though. I would call the last part of Sonic 2 and most of Sonic 3 epic though. also... there's no 3D in the genesis games.
@@TailsGuy72 That's kind of my point. The most well received games are the Genesis games, which did not feature ANY of the things Thomas mentioned besides more playable character (even then, they still played closely to Sonic). Serious stories did not make Sonic great. Multiple characters did not make Sonic great. And 3D sure as fuck didn't make Sonic great. Let me put it like this. Is there even ONE 3D Sonic game that isn't currently divisive? Like it or not, even the Adventure duology is incredibly mixed. Also, Heroes wasn't well received to begin with.
I need to know about what happened with the Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood. The horror of Ken Penders would be an amazing tale to hear about
DO NOT INVOKE THE NAME OF THE UNHOLY ONE.
yes please
DINK....DANK DOONK DUNK DENK DENK DINK DOONG DUNK
Who's Ken Penders?
...I'm probably going to be told "a monstrosity" but seriously, I'm a bit in the dark here (pun intended).
@@revaryk6868 One of the head writers for the comic in the 90's and early 2000's. He had some...interesting fixations. Oddly enough the one good thing about '06 is that it ended up getting him removed, since Sega was going through a big marketing push and discovered to their horror that "The World's Most Way Past Cool Comic!" had a cover that was Sonic crying in an alley because Sally was getting married to another man.
Sega seems completely unable to comprehend that a bad game is bad forever, while a late release is just late.
Take the time to release a good product damn you!
Yeah, you would think that they would learn their lesson after 06, but they just keep doing it.
@@Astrojandro They learned the wrong lessons. They changed Sonic from a fast hedgehog with no so fast but useful companions (and big the cat) to a blue rocket with red shoes and no one else, who left a huge fracture on the fanbase and the Spin-off for the adventure fans was a huge mess.
Not if they ... I dunno remake Sonic 06
Also for Rangers It seems like they are taking more time ... At least
@@evdestroy4121 Reminder that the actual game was only worked on for a year, while the engine was worked on for 3. It was delayed because *there was no game*
Please 06 was in X-Box and PS3 there could just patched the game to be more functional. It was the first generation that made this possible and No man Sky more than showed that yes patching a game and keep supporting it for the next few years can undo a terrible release.
But that wasn't that Sega did no was it.
NO there rather order to abandon the game and move on to the next project.
Heh... to be fair... there are two redeeming qualities of Sonic 06... it's has an amazing soundtrack that was deserving of a much, much better game, and it is a meme goldmine... But seriously though, other than those two things, I can't think of a reason to say any of 06 was good
It got rid of Ken Penders for us
It gave us Shadow roundhousing Silver while chaos controlled.
...wait why didn't they remake that for Sonic Generations? Ugh what a waste.
During Shadow’s playthrough, they left in an outtake on some nameless officer telling you to go to Wave Ocean.
That’s enough for me to give this game one more point than it deserves, launching it from a 2 to a 3.
You know Sonic unleashed was a better Sonic 06 with added werehog levels that were TOOOOO ABUNDANT. Honestly. Sonic unleashed and Colors are the better Sonic games for the speed sections arguably.
Shadow's character was handled pretty okay. I mean, he isn't a one-dimensional edgelord in the game, unlike how he's portrayed in his game and pretty much all the Sonic media featuring him in the 2010's.
I can't believe Sega was so adamant about sticking to that 15th anniversary deadline. Losing crucial team members over the years was bad enough, but not allowing the smaller team time to fix the game was asinine. A 15 year anniversary isn't even a big thing! 10 years fine, 20 sure, 25 go for it. 15 is such an arbitrary number by comparison.
The loss of Yasuhara, Ohshima and Naka must have been really painful to Sega and Iizuka, because these three were the ones that made Sonic great in the first place. Since Colors the budget for developing Sonic games is shrinking more and more, and it shows with "recent" releases like Forces and TSR, which is a shame.
@@dinohermann1887 I’m from the future and Sonic Frontiers is pretty good :D Hopefully SEGA will give Sonic Team more funding but who knows
It was more so forcing it out of the door for a Christmas 2006 release to go along with the PS3 release and 1st anniversary of Xbox 360s to be honest. Sega greedily wanting to attempt to be relevant during early console release windows before more established games came along and sucked up the 7th gen playerbase (CoD 4, Halo 3, GTA IV etc). Sega of America likely had management that wanted to increase their 2006 Fiscal year bonuses while Japanese management had similar ambitions, and they assumed "it's Sonic, people will buy it anyway" which definitely didn't carry over into the Wii games, Sonic 4 or Unleashed at all 👨🦯
I'd be interested in a positive Wha Happened? With Sleeping Dogs, a game with a rocky developmental cycle that ended up being a fan favorite.
I second this. That game is excellent, and it was originally supposed to be True Crime: Hong Kong, if I'm not mistaken. Ah, the True Crime series...
Yes!
@@HollowPsyche It started as a game called Black Lotus then was rebranded as True Crime: Hong Kong, then after a mountain of complications, it was rebranded again. This time, as Sleeping Dogs.
@@rebornkusabi7264 Someone already tweeted this very idea to him recently.
Or something like Final Fantasy XIV (1.0). Which was released in a terrible state only to be rebuild as a completely new game later and now is one of the best mmos on the market currently (A realm reborn).
It's like Sega has a personal vendetta against thier own character, Sonic. They keep trying to kill him but he just won't die.
That's what I been telling my friends this revaluation.
How come ea kill ther own studios and succeed at killing command and conqor franchise
see also Capcom and Mega Man. and Konami and everything worthwhile they have ever done.
lmaoooooo
They came so close, but then Sonic Mania came out.
Nakamura's acknowledgement of their shortcomings sounded so foreign compared to how other game devs handled their failures
i still dont understand how sonic forces ended up soo bad....there had to be some development hell going on in the background
i mean how else will they go from the super refined gameplay of colors and generations ....to that....just how....why...
From what i heard a lot of main staff from Sonic Team have move to rebuild US division and left pretty small team on Sonic Force that’s why the game is so uninspired and mediocre
I heard that half of the team left to work on Breath of the Wild and Super Mario Odyssey.
i kinda enjoy forces in a like "yeah, I can find myself enjoying this" guilty pleasure sorta thing
@@mattboy2313 They also spent 4 years making it however the actual game itself was only 1 year, the rest was making the hedgehog engine 2 and the concept of sonic forces
Bad timr management
Ppl will say cuz they only had 1 year for dev cuz HE2 but it wuz simeltanious
Bold of you to asume I have faith in the games industry
@@ghettofridge lol we still got weird uncle Nintendo to cheer you up, just dont ask about online play
Bold of you to assume I have faith in anything at all...
@@etinarcadiaego7424 you.....you get it
'Yuji Naka went to Squarenix in an unknown capacity'
Unfortunate since now we've seen what he's been doing there and wonder if it's better or worse than Sonic 2006.
It's honestly worse. At least Sonic 06 is somewhat playable and has some redemable qualities here and there. A 3/10 is still better than a 2/10 even though both are very bad.
What are you talking about?
@@Hazztech Yuji Naka was behind Balan Wonderworld which has been considered by the internet hivemind to be much less stellar than normal.
@@GameAlicornLuna isn't that technically functional though? Like isn't it just conceptually bad?
@@kimkillillasfuq8212 which is way worse than a fun but buggy as heck game
When you fix all the problems in the demo but the full game gets released with all the same bugs and problems, you know you're setting yourself up for failure
That or you realize you're working for Bethesda
Years later fans said, "Lets fixes this game," and the results are showing a beautiful gem hidden under that messy pile of code.
No Matt, you can't do this to us! It's no use!
Where did you go?!?!?
IT'S NO USE!!!
HOW 'BOUT THIS?!
Silver, to a Swan: It's no Goose!
CorazonFeathers Sega: This will end it!
Definitely feel like Sonic: The Dark Brotherhood is worth a Wha Happun, particularly because of the entire shitstorm of drama that game was at the center of
Did Bethesda send them a C&D in the form of a letter that only read "We know"?
Blakebot J I believe it had something to do with a writer for the Archie sonic comic getting all pissed, claiming that the game ripped off the stuff he had in the comics, resulting in a messy legal battle that ended up preventing any echidna characters besides knuckles from being in the comic again
(Oh also said writer was kinda a creep, and wrote I believe an infamous tweet, but I can't remember it exactly, if you want more info, google ken penders, I think that's his name)
One reason why this project failed was the level designers. There were 6, yet none of them had worked on a Sonic game before. Director did have some experience with SA1 tho, but he had never directed a Sonic game before, or since for that matter. This was doomed to fail imo, rushed development or not.
Same reason Forces sucked. 2 level designers that worked on fucking Lost World.
@@JG_Wentworth Actually, they didn't. They were newbies. It was the director who worked on LW and Colors. I kinda liked the game for what it was, but they shouldn't have billed it as a spiritual succesor to Generations, if you're not gonna have the same director or level designers.
@@JG_Wentworth Both 06 and Forces were trying to follow the footsteps from SA1 and Gens, yet they both had different directors and level designers from their inspirations. We can see how that turned out.
@@yoelazar3935 That's why you need people that actually have experience with the successful games in a franchise to, you know, *work on games for that franchise.* It baffles me how far Sega will go to cut corners that aren't even there.
@@JG_Wentworth You're right. I still say that this could've turned out better if Iizuka and his group worked on it, yet they were busy on america doing that Nights sequel for Wii. 😔
“Yuji Naka would never find the success he had with sega again... ...before moving on to square enix in 2018 in an unknown capacity” is the funniest line in this video two years later
Especially because of Balan Wonderworld
@@PeruvianPotato and he's thrown behind bars after that incident
"...the charming Rhythm Thief and the Emperor's Treasure..." God sometimes I feel like I am the only person who remembers that game existed, which is a damn shame! That game was great!
I got that on my 3DS as part of a Humble Bundle some time back, I ought to play it...
The gyroscope levels were a pain in the dick, tho.
Also, wasn't the villain's name Boner or something?
You're not the only one. I love it! Such an underrated game.
Just a reminder, it has been 9 years and they still haven't followed up on the ending
I remember playing a demo of it. Thought it looked neat. 3DS eshop is still up…guess I’ll check it out when I have the money to spare
It's actually a shame the PC version didn't become a thing. I'm sure fan made mods could have done wonders for it.
To this day lots of fans still want a PC port (myself included).
@@stardustsdd if they done a remake on pc they'd have the chance for this game to redeem itself if the fixed the bugs
@@Milo_751 project 06 is right their
17:31 This hits differently after Balan Wonderland
Crazy how the discussion around 06 is still:
"Sonic Team's incompetent for releasing a game of this quality".
and not:
"Sega's insane for rushing 06 out despite knowing Sonic Team bled Yuji Naka plus a bunch of other staff during a keypoint in development and didn't hire more devs or delay the game."
The Xbox 360 Era is perfect for Wha Happun? So many bold ideas stepping forward and confidently into fields of dung. I'd propose an episode on Two Worlds, the game that taught me that bad games existed.
A harsh but necessary lesson.
The only thing I remember from that game was the horrible voice acting and that pushing the B button to backstep made you unstoppable.
**Monotone**
"YEE GODS!"
I really hope Matt does an episode on Brink too
ProJared has a video on that as far as I remember!
I might go rewatch it now.
You should too if you want videos on it, but even then I still hope Matt does a video too!
@@kaydwessie296 I've seen ProJared's video, even met the guy and got him to sign my copy of Two Worlds, but Matt gets into the production of games and that's why I love this series. Even if Matt doesn't take my suggestion, directing him to the Xbox 360 library is enough for me.
Wow. I knew the game was rushed, but I didn’t know just how screwed the game was.
I actually have some respect for the ‘06 dev team now. They tried so freaking hard...
It's honestly ridiculous on how Sega still managed to get up on two feet after this game, though pretty much limping everywhere it goes to this day. Though I will say I think with how the company is still around and Sonic being battered and bruised as a franchise doing whatever it can to say up is weirdly comforting in a way.
I honestly dunno what a world without Sega would be like, I dunno if any of their franchises would survive or continue to this day without the company and those involved with it. After 2006 despite the thumbing around, there have been various game that are honestly some of the most fun I had with a game and I don't mean just the Sonic ones but other IPs of theirs in general. We've gotten a butt load of Yakuza games since then that are also localized, they've been thriving with Football Managers in the PC space, they've allowed some of Platinum Games line-up to be published and no matter how bad things get, still try to treat fans and customers with respect (except for maybe Colonial Marines).
And in an industry where there's a lot of lies and hidden secrets they at least try to be transparent about what they do. Call me crazy to still have some faith in them especially with the rather unremarkable Team Sonic Racing soon coming out as a half-baked tribute to Sonic running on the S&SASR engine, there are areas that I think indicate that there's people wanting to do their all for what they're working on.
And basically what I have to end this with is.
Sega should give literally every team they have a similar leniency they gave Christian Whitehead, Simon Thomley and the rest of their guys. Maybe the same leniency the Yakuza team has also.
I definitely agree, though part of me does wonder that is part of the reason they aren't the power house company they were in the 90s any more because they take the more honest route. I mean look at companies like Blizzard, EA, Bethesda, etc. They keep everything they possibly can as close to their chests as possible, tell us nothing, get tons of hate from gamers all over the world, yet somehow still are some of the biggest money making game companies there are.
Gotta feel bad for Shun Nakamura. At least he was able to redeem himself with Rhythm Thief. A fantastic game that really, really deserves a sequel.
As for Naka...well, I think it's pretty clear from how Balan Wonderworld turned out that he's probably cleaning out his desk at Square-Enix as we speak.
this too happened to bioware with both flops mass effect andromeda and anthem
He left, and he's thinking about retiring too, rip
@@sevvycat2 Probably exhausted with the game industry I got a feeling Jeff Kaplan too might retire from the game industry to move on to something else other than just working on video games
Mephiles: "The Day of Disaster..."
November 14th 2006
Mephiles: "Here are my records of this event."
Mephiles: “you can read about it in my GAMER PAD while you play fortnite”
@@Iijjccbb
And there goes the integrity of my joke. Thanks for that.
N. Verted Tawna you’re welcome
Me in 2014 jumped from the sinking ship to blizzard overwatch and release on May 2016
Sonic '06 has exactly three redeeming qualities:
1. *Enjoyable* music.
2. Good for speedruns.
3. Hilarious cutscenes that one can enjoy like fine wine alongside the classic Adventure games.
3.5: Have you seen Mephiles? Have you HEARD Mephiles?
4: We got the glorious SnapCube dub of this game.
Mefiles
Gotta love Memphis
3.5: Wouldn't a Mephile be someone addicted to sex with themself?
I suppose you could add the excellent fandub as a fourth.
A common thread I'm noticing in the "Wha Happun?" series so far is that every time (again, so far; I haven't watched them all) Japanese developers fuck up a game, _they own it._ They claim fault, and say it was their burden. Project leads and directors say "This was _my_ fault as the leader, not the individual developers." Western development heads... don't seem to do that. They'll point at the janitor's _dog_ to be at fault before they'll own up to their own fuck ups. lol
Of only that dog didn't need to eat, then the janitor wouldn't have to waste so much time feeding it and could focus on keeping the place clean fir the devs.
The guy behind Metroid: Other M throws a wrench into your theory
@@helloill672 every rule has its exceptions
Its very much a cultural thing, they *have* to, they have a much stronger sense of community over individual, for better or worse.
So wait. They fixed the game but didn’t fucking put the fixes in the game they released as a final product? I’m honestly just confused
i'd love to see one of these for Bomberman: Act Zero
Does anyone really care about that game though?
@@joesomenumbers People care about Bomberman. It's kinda like the 'Final Fight: Streetwise' of the series
@@Scandal262 i fuckz with it.
10:15 Amy : "Hey! You're not Sonic!"
(slap)
*SCREEEEEEEE*
Oh, Sonic and the Dark Brotherhood. A Bioware game so bad, it killed not only it's own sequels, but an entire comics line.
To be fair, it mainly was one of the previous Archie Sonic writers, Ken Penders' fault.
Uhh what? No it didn't. It was a self absorbed asshole who did that.
@@kiarah.371 (I do too, it's just it clearly has several flaws that drag down it's overall staying power and it's incomplete story due to lacking a sequel hurts a lot.)
@blu I did not expect an Oblivion reference. Nice...
"Bad"
Tbh I kinda groaned when I saw the title; this game has been discussed so many times because lol it’s awful. I was wrong. Your research and dedication to the game at hand is always so pristine. My mate bong and I thank you 👍🏻❤️
I would like to shoutout: if anyone is actually interested in seeing like an ACTUAL playable/good (as good as it can be) version of Sonic 06, youtubers like somecallmejohnny have also recently played the sonic p-06 prototype, a "remade from the ground up on pc" demo of Sonic 06 and it shows you how much polish was added.
Great vid Matt !
If there is is one constant in video games, it’s that the bigger the heap of shit you put out, the more effort fans are willing to give fixing it.
Imo modded 06 is better
Makes you look at the game in a new light. It wasn't the games fault. It could have been good. But hey, they got what they wanted. Nobody will EVER forget Sonic's 15th anniversary.
Sonic Boom is the obvious next one.
If I remember correctly they only had two people on QA for that game. TWO PEOPLE.
At least RoL is a spin-off game and therefore immune to critique.
@@RDV333 Because they had -1 person work on it.
oh yes, do that for the next What Happun
@@YujiUedaFan They got the guy who cleans the bathrooms at naughty dog to direct the entire project.
I never understood all the hate this game got. It actually had some redeeming qual…nope. Can’t do it. This game was hot ass.
"You had us in the first half not gonna lie"
oof, another wha' happun foreshadowed here, Balan Wonderworld.
The AVGN ripped this one so badly he had to make it a two parter! Also, this video came out on my birthday!
then ugi naka made the worst game ever balan wonderworld
“Yuji Naka went to Square Enix in an unknown capacity” I miss when it was unknown…
Wow, I feel really bad for the development team. You constantly see people saying that the game must have been made by incompetent buffoons; it's sad to know that these people took the blame in the public's mind for problems that were really out of their control.
The game still suffers from imcompetent design in many areas. I feel for the them, but some of the problems here are their fault.
Sega: We’re making the most technically advanced Sonic game in HD.
Staff: Good thing we have Yuji Naka to help us, right?
Sega: …
Staff: Good thing we have Yuji Naka to help us, right?
I’d love to see a Wha Happun on Sonic Boom
Its my understanding that the game was beeing developed for ps4 and xbox 1, and mid development Sega made the game a Wii U exclusive.
Big Red Button had a very hard time porting what they already had to the Wii U and overall development was damaged.
Sonic Boom is a spinoff though and Matt said he didn't include those games.
Even worse Super Mario Galaxy came out the next year. Can you imagine releasing one of the worst games ever only to find that your former rival released one of the best games of all time the next year?
Well...
The music was ok, that’s one positive.
"before moving on to Square Enix in 2018 in an unknown capacity" .... now we know. Oh... now we know.... NOW WE KNOW.....
7:40 Yep, he left Sega just to make the hit game "Oh God No," and then landed in jail for insider trading business...
Absolutely losing my mind that the 360 demo just WORKED and Sega was just like "but it's not the PS3 build so let's trash it!" 😭😭😭😭😭😭
13:38- Rich Evans sighting confirmed
Is Sonic replacing Rich Evans?!?!
Matto225 The Sonic movie we deserve
If only development was smooth on this game it could have been one of the best 3D Sonic games ever. 🤦🏾♂️
It's amazing that they managed to make Sonic Unleashed two years later and becoming one of the better Sonic games. And one of my favorite games
Alot of Sonic 06 Fans will talk about how the game had so much potential.
But not only do I disagree with that, because even if everything worked without glitches, the game would just be a bloated mess, we never got the game "how it was meant to be".
17:29 Gee, I wonder what WORLDS of WONDER Yuji Naka would've been working on at that time...
It's okay. No matter what it is, I'm sure Yuji Naka will still have a career afterwards.
@@Bucketus.Lord.of.Buckets He'll make so many more games with Square Enix, I'm sure!
Theres SO MUCH value in making a character that people love . Look at sonic- No matter what garbage sonic the hedgehog is attached to, people still love the character and will always suppourt sonic products regardless of quality . Thats a testament to how well designed the character is. Say what you will about sonic, but you cant deny how well the character works.
Thank god for furries.
It's the character design, which is freaking brilliant. Also, most of his games are still brilliant at their core, many flaws aside.
@@yoelazar3935 Facts, most Sonics games are good or decent with a few bad.
@@jordancromwell We enjoy the games because, at the end, they offer a level of flow and satisfaction you don't find in other, far more conventional platformers. They do suffer from flaws and they don't leave the best first impressions, but you start to warm up to them with some patience or practice. 06 is still bad tho, i can't defend it, even if it has some redeeming qualities.
SEGA have such a long history of shooting themselves in the foot and Sonic '06 is the most egregious example. This was a 15th anniversary celebration for the franchise that put you on the map. Deadlines be damned, this should have had love and care put into it. And to make matters worse, the *other* 15th anniversary game ended up being a pile of shit too.
Sonic 06 is likely the worst game that didn't end up killing the company.
As impressive as it was that people stuck with the project until release, I would've just quit to make a point. If Sega wants their sonic game, they should support their sonic team.
Ok, Unpopular opinion: I don't think Forces is as bad as people like to make it. I agree that it has misteps, but there have been worse.
I was also thinking this, I never played Forces myself but from what I've seen it's well polished enough to be playable, that alone is leaps and bounds beyond Sonic 06 and Boom, plus some of it at least looks kind of fun to play.
I think the problem is with it being released so close to Mania, I mean Sonic Mania was literally the game all Sonic fans had been begging for since like Sonic Adventure 1&2 so to have a game like Forces come what seemed like only days after it probably just had a lot of fans like "NO! YOU JUST RELEASED THE GOOD ONE WHY ARE YOU GOING BACK?!"
I think one reason Forces gets so much hate is just to elevate Mania on a slightly higher pedestal.
I'm just happy that we have a focused, polished game with no dumb design choices or padding. It's no Generations, but i will take anything after the atrocity that Rise of Lyric was.
@DarkSonic180 I think whatever your opinion of Forces, 06 and Boom is we can all agree that the film looks like the actual epitome of trash.
My god this explains that inexplicable memory I have of thinking the demo was actually kind of not bad. Thank you Matt for saving my sanity
Mighty No. 9 needs to be talked about.
Imagine if they delayed this game until 2008. Then mixed it with sonic unleashed.
this and the sonic 06 fandub makes me happy that this trainwreck is being revisited
Dub? So they re-translated it?
“I trapped Sonic in the hell dimension, because he disrespected GAMERS”- Memphis Tennessee
@@YujiUedaFan it's a Real-Time Fandub. a bunch of voice actors improvise dialogue over Sonic 06 cutscenes. it's hilarious.
@@tristansmith8824 Ah.
Hahaha ONE
Sonic free riders? Dude, its just sonic riders. The last one was free riders and we try to forget it ever happened
Don’t fall! Hehe! ONE!
17:20 and then he got arrested lol
So this was why sonic 06 was so bad, this is like DMC2 and Duke Nukem combined.
+bhull
the shoving in of too many attempts at innovative features.
Still shocks me that the main culprit of this disaster was an arbitrary deadline. No actual reason behind it, they just wanted a round number.
The more I learn about the corporate history and decisions made by Sega the more I can see why they fell apart.
And people still blame the development team...
"Non-playable presentation which showed Sonic moving across a grassy landscape..."
Oh god it's happened agaiiiin!
Even if the game was bad, you CANNOT deny that it had great music
Oh if only they could see what Naka would go on to make.
Ok Mat, but Billy Hatcher was a great game
Never said it wasn't.
wait I thought Forces was generally considered pretty good?
I don't understand how the 360 was a port from the PS3 version when the 360 version ran better than the PS3 version. I'm baffled
Right. It was even worse on PS3. Longer loading times, framerate was choppier, in game cutscenes ran at 30 fps, and the graphics looked a bit downgraded.
Microsoft will do what Sega will doo.
It's because the PS3 had a bizarre and complex architecture compared to the 360. It was shockingly common back in the day for the 360 versions of multiplatform titles to either run better or have better graphics because the 360 was just easier to program for, while the only PS3 games that really put the PS3's custom hardware to good use were the first-party titles.
"Sonic was never good."
Well he must be fun at parties...
At least Sonic is doing good nowadays.
Sure, Forces wasn't great, but Lost World, especially post patch, was pretty good, generations was great and so was colors. Do I even need to mention Mania?
I'm a fan of Sonic, but I'm not blind to the fact that THIS came out, followed by an arguably worse Secret Rings.
I look forward to the next game, but I'm not going to jump on it like I did Generations.
"Moving on to Square Enix in an unknown capacity"
Oh the delicious foreshadowing lmao
I wish Sonic 06 got a PC version as it might of eventually been fixed by fans.
@@amirgarcia547 I know I've played it.
Also this post is 2 years old.
Im not into sonic but it seems like yuki naka is a common denominator when it comes to subsequent games failing.