But you'll find guys like this at other knife videos complaining about the "ridiculously high price" of American knives, and singing the praises of Ganzo.
Around 08:01 did anyone else hold their breath while Nick was testing the "rigidity" of those scales? I was just waiting for the "crack" then, "....I am not a brilliant man!"
Tom Jerry just needs a couple of changes. an aluminum lock bar, steel pivot, steel stop pin, no serrations, and some work done on the jimping area. The plastic makes it light but some areas plastic is just the wrong material
Nah. CRK is desirable because of the titanium frame lock and small tolerances. Mass production goes against every reason people buy sebenzas. CRKT knives are good value, but they ruin designers' best knives.
That could not and would not have been done at CRKT. Not defending them, just saying no manufacturing company would have done that for sales models. Teflon washers are readily available.
Those are teflon washers it looks like. They're possibly just deformed from over 20 years of use. Which would be another example of how bronze washers are better.
Nick- soooooo glad you made this video!! I've owned one of these for years and years. People had told me "no way is that real- just a cheap fake". I held fast and never let it go. I had always felt it was "real" but had no idea of the back story. Thanks Nick 😉
That's a quirky bit of history Nick. I do love Chris' reaction to this knife, and the salespeople's disclaimer sheet was a hoot! I read every caveat and laughed :) EDIT: However, this is the sort of knife I'd like to have just as a collector's piece (with the salesmen's sheet of course).
I really liked this video! Getting to see something like this, taken down and showing all the ins and outs. Not something you get to see every day! Thanks
Very interesting and you covered it well. Most interesting to me is how and why CRKT made these. They either had a tentative OK from somebody at CRK or they just assumed they would get it. They had to spend some money designing that frame and figuring out how to integrate the metal into lockbar. They made a significant investment. That wouldn't be done without a belief that it could be manufactured. The letter to salespeople is also a sign that the company was sure this was going to be a product. The business person in me wants the back-story on what decisions or assumptions were made when. This was great, Nick.
As a Chinese knife aficionado I've seen my share of plastic frames and Plasticine screws. BTW - could it be that CRKT invented the hardened lock insert during the design of this model (which was probably done under the influence of some strong drugs)? PS - take care of that cough, it sounds bad :) Cheers!
"As an aficionado of knives that are just clones of American knives, are made by indigent nine-fingered workers who have an unswerving commitment to third rate quality...." There...I fixed it for you, bitch.
Very interesting. It shows the metal sebenza in a more realistic perspective as a crude, simple tool. I am reminded of all the gun-weenie whining about the early plastic Glock, which is a now spectacular success in professional use around the world. Even without a metal insert for the lockbar, this would be sufficient for the actual use of most knife-weenies opening their boxes and coffee bags. I am looking for a knife to take on vacation to a former eastern-bloc commie country, where it is liable to be stolen or confiscated. A $20 plastic framelock with sebenza styling would do fine. Thanks, Nick!
Nowadays with how CRKT are doing their frame locks, I think that they might be able to perfect that Reeve sound that the knife makes and put it at a 60$ price point with AUS8 (because they hate my wallet and don't like putting a better steel for the most part)
I like reviews like this that are rich in production knife history. Someone should lend Nick one of the original 1981 Spyderco C01 Workers with the two screw clip (screws close together) to review and talk about. 1200 were made and you could have picked one of them up at the Texas State Fair in Dallas in 1981. It was the first pocket knife to have a pocket clip and was revolutionary for one handed opening folders. I saw one on ebay a few months ago that was listed pretty cheap and was only $158 at the time (the seller didn't know what they had, they thought it was from the evolution series in the 1990s). I would have bought it if it didn't sell for the more accurate price of $620.
They should have made it. The Sebenza is an evolution of how exact and perfect a knife can be. This could have been perfection designed to price point but refined over the years. The lock bar etc are all a great design. Chris was probably scared it would get as good as the real thing.
The funniest thing is that they have the scale hole, lol 😂. I didn't expect all the details when you took it apart. If there is such a thing as a well thought out plastic folding knife, this was it👍👻.
Considering advances in materials and manufacturing processes (alongside those in knife/EDC adjacent fields), I would be curious to see what improvements to this general idea can be achieved in 2022.
I wondered if you, Nick, had any interest in adding a subtitle track to one of your videos if I gave you the .srt file. Specifically this one. I figured I wanted to do a project and figured I might as well make one for one of my favorite content creators. Maybe we even help a deaf knife enthusiast. But that being said, I do know adding the srt file will take some extra time and is not really beneficial for you or the channel, so don’t feel obligated. Anyway, enjoy the rest of your night and let me know if you have any interest! Thanks for all the free content.
Not saying its a great knife. But that is a 22 year old budget chinese plastic framelock, that still locks up better than 50% of strider knives made in the last 10 years. Makes you wonder who the real "sheeple" are? The people afraid of the knives, or the people following the flock
I love liner locks but my first frame lock broke the lock off. So I’ve always been very leery of them. It surprises me expensive knives have frame lock. I’m not referring to this rare knife , just in general. I think the knife I had was a crkt can’t remember. Has that been your experience?
Are you using your experience with a steel crkt framelock to dismiss high end, or even decently made budget, framelocks?? God i love this community. "Idk man, i dont believe a Porsche could ever do 200, my 95 kia only does 105" Edit: seriously though, if you broke a steel framelock, my money is on user error, although user error that crkt could have prevented with an overtravel stop.
Very interesting bit of knife lore Nick,a strange bit hybrid Frankenstein plastic sebenza. The sweep of the blade on my sebenza 21 has that certain form which I personally like. A poor mans sebenza, I had to save for mine, I think I might have had one if they had survived, just for the blade shape alone. Really good content Nick for your knife nut followers. By the way, I understand about your watch thing a wee bit, got a buddy that loves watches, got me thinking about a nice bit of engineering on my wrist, A Timex expedition for edc and a nice Citizens for Sunday me.
While I do find this hilarious, I would like to see another company try to make a budget sebenza. I feel like it would be an eye opener for those people who, like me, thought they were way too plain of a knife to be worth the $400 they cost. I own one now and I get it, but I feel like if people were able to handle them without taking a $400 leap of faith more people would be buying them
Tyler Woolstenhulme seems like a lot of companies Ti slab folders are an attempt to make a more affordable Sebenza-esque design/knife. Some better than others at it.
I don't see CRK ever doing that for fear that it would canabilize sales of the current Sebenza. This is a huge concern for many companies in a variety of industries. For example Rolex removed their distribution of Tudor watches in the North American market for a number of years because the brand was effecting the sale of Rolex which is their main focus. They have recently returned to the U.S. with a different (and extremely successful) marketing strategy. They have been able to gain a new segment of the market taking market share from less expensive companies like Tag Heur. It would be very interesting to see how they would differentiate the 2 in order to not hurt the main focus of their company.
I always understood that the Sebenza is fantastic less for the design and more for the build quality and the grade of the materials/craftsmanship that goes into it. Is that correct..? I've never handled one
Yeah, that's fair to say. After around the $250 mark you're not paying for the materials as much as you're paying for the build quality and consistency. Yeah, you can pay ~$375 for a plain Sebenza but you can get the same handle material and blade steel on a ZT0450 for ~$160. But what makes it worth that much more is the consistency and precision with which it was made.
That is a really cool collectors item. I would love to have one. I would love to see a budget Sebenza. It could have an Aluminum frame with a steel subframe lock. Or they could have a thin steel frame and G10 scales. They could produce it in China and sell it for 200.00 $. For the people who don’t want to spend 400.00 $ for a Chris Reeve knife.
The clones are to heavy and blocky to carry ! Dont carry them for the same reason I dont carry the buck 110 anymore ! Heavy and blocky ! And the lock isn't safe ! Some one said youre supposed to hold the lock shut while you use a sabenza ! Highly over rated ! Especially by the colt ! My $ 45.00 clones works just as good after tuning ( a $750.00 jib for crk ) ! Does the factory tuner actually make that much ?
I bought a kershaw shallot about half a decade ago. Back then it was like $50-$60. Now that it's discontinued, people on ebay are selling it at about $200.
IT would be interesting seeing knives from this era compared to their modern counterparts. Like if possible a gen 1 or 2 Delica vs a Delica 4 or a PAcific Cutlery corp vs a modern Benchmade.
What a croc of poo, I want one now!!!!! I hate tis knife soooooo very much that I need one for my collection. I guess I'll just have to keep dreaming. Thanks for the vid Nick.
this story is vary hard to believe !Evan if its a prototype! hard to believe Chris Reeve would O-kay such a project!even if someone else made it like CRKT, there's a line of BS hear some place...
Crkt always comes up with good ideas right before they take a steamy, Mad Dog 357 dump on manufacturing decisions and quality control. ZT could probably make a legit Ti frame, s35vn licenced version for 180. My fingers would cramp while I fill my credit card information at speeds unknown to man.
Mr. Maguire: There is a great future in plastics. Think about it. Will you think about it? Benjamin Braddock: Yes, I will. Mr. Maguire: Okay. Enough said. That's a deal.
Hey guys I need help, I'm wanting a new EDC work knife, I'm just stumped on what to get, I think I've narrowed it down to the kizer sunburst, the steel will cutjack c22m, the ZT 0450 and the lion steel tre, any input would be appreciated :)
A super nerdy knife theory question: If a framelock is friction dependent, shouldn't more of the lockbar interfacing with blade be a good thing? Because more of the surface areas of the lockbar and blade would be touching, causing more friction.
Rodrigo Teresa A lot of quality framelocks have a stainless insert attached to the titanium frame & it's usually relatively thin. The spring built into the frame (and your hand wrapped around it in use) is what prevents the knife from unlocking - much more so than friction. If you had lots of contact area (= friction), you'd get lock-stick. (If I got that wrong please correct me)
Rodrigo Teresa The lock bar cut out, or lack thereof, also makes a big difference. Most of a liner/frame lock's strength and usability comes from those two spots. It can be a super thick slab of titanium, etc., but if the cut out is too thin or the engagement doesn't allow for any wear, it's not going to work well. And, as a side note, as far as I'm aware most of a frame lock's strength depends upon the lock bar cut out, assuming reasonable hardness and placement. So if it gets as thin as a liner lock at the base of the lock bar, it may not be a whole lot stronger. Of course, your grip is helping to hold a frame lock in place. That is my understanding, anyway.
Sebenza thumb is absolutely a real thing, I cut the tip of my left thumb off and it's like all scar tissue but it's still not nearly as gnarly and calloused as my right thumb from opening the sebenzas
It’s literally the knife version of the glock 19. They made the parts that don’t need to be metal into plastic and left the parts that need to be metal in order to save money and weight (I’m assuming).
I still think CRK should sell out a TAD and make a budget model. I own the real Sebenza, but I also own a couple of the SRM LAND knives which are decidedly CRK-ian and part of me would like a mid-range Sebenza to thrash... I mean, I thrash my real one, but still, I didn't enjoy paying 400 bucks for it. Maybe a licensed Kizer version? Steel lockbar insert, overtravel stop, maybe some bearings. ~175ish? I dunno. I'd buy it.
Wouldn't be a bad little budget knife if they put a metal lockbar insert in it or a thin piece of steel to slip over the lockbar where it locks in place
No, because the steel doesn't extend to the end of the lock bar. It's spring steel with plastic molded around it, but is entirely inside the lock bar except where Nick showed it.
Why would a plastic frame lock be unsafe? Just use the knife the right way and you won't have problems. At least that's what some youtuber said yesterday. He was complaining about people who like tri-ad locks but his argument should hold up here, use a knife right and it shouldn't matter if it's a tri-ad or a plastic frame lock.
I think/hope Nick was joking with the review style of it. Because it is a prototype an early looking one to my mind. So the knife handle was probably going to be made out of another material.
My brain will not allow me to believe this. Not saying you are wrong. But my brain is screaming plastic prototype to give a rough feel of the product before it gets a decent handle. I cannot overide that notion at all. It just seems stupid and I'm guessing Chris Reeve thought so to.
Many of these "prototypes" are indeed fakes of the real prototype. These could be had 5-8 years ago for $25-$50 on eBay all day long. But again, could be the same factory who did the "real" prototypes and they just kept making them due to the "collectibility" of them. Really weird knife, fun to see one but many are out in wild.
In the mid 1990's there were thousands of knife salesman, ie. that's a lot of salesman's prototypes. As the age of knife buying on the internet wasn't a thing yet or only in it's very infancy. So seeing alot on ebay before anybody knew the story makes sense.
Nick Shabazz hahaha yeah, I was having one of those terrible weeks when everything sucks. Have a good one Nick. On top off everything else my wicked edge broke during that week and it ended up only being a snapped roll pin. Wicked edge is so awesome they sent me a new 103/17 vise but I'm gonna send it back.
CRKT spent too much time thinking "can we make a cheap sebenza" not enough time thinking "should we make a cheap sebenza" 😂
Science has gone too far!
Nick Shabazz can you please do a balisong review? Or a spyderco bug ss, it’s too cheap not too
Crkt designers were so caught up with what they could do that they never stopped to think if they should.
But you'll find guys like this at other knife videos complaining about the "ridiculously high price" of American knives, and singing the praises of Ganzo.
Nick, you voided the warranty...
"Who would buy such a plasticy thing?" -- Benchmade Bugout Design Team
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Maybe........but Benchmade would look for ways to cut corners.
Mike Karambit 😂
Mike Karambit and Benchmade would charge $300+ for it...
....and Sheeple would buy it!!!
Around 08:01 did anyone else hold their breath while Nick was testing the "rigidity" of those scales? I was just waiting for the "crack" then, "....I am not a brilliant man!"
Not sure if I lost more or gained more respect for CRKT knowing this happened
If I were Chris Reeve I would spit in their coffee and cast a spell on their pets.
If they produced this in a decent steel and g10 everyone would jump on it.
Tom Jerry just needs a couple of changes. an aluminum lock bar, steel pivot, steel stop pin, no serrations, and some work done on the jimping area.
The plastic makes it light but some areas plastic is just the wrong material
Sanrenmu did something similar, its called the 910+.
People jumped on it (including myself) and love it.
Dapdoi Ardon No need to convince me man :)
Nah. CRK is desirable because of the titanium frame lock and small tolerances. Mass production goes against every reason people buy sebenzas.
CRKT knives are good value, but they ruin designers' best knives.
Is the Sanrenmu licensed/authorised by CRK?
Those washers are hilarious
That could not and would not have been done at CRKT. Not defending them, just saying no manufacturing company would have done that for sales models. Teflon washers are readily available.
Those are teflon washers it looks like. They're possibly just deformed from over 20 years of use. Which would be another example of how bronze washers are better.
CRKT thought they were CRK for a day
Maybe that is what CRKT stands for....Chris Reeve Knives Temporarily....yeah I know it doesn't, but the letters fit.
Nick- soooooo glad you made this video!! I've owned one of these for years and years. People had told me "no way is that real- just a cheap fake". I held fast and never let it go. I had always felt it was "real" but had no idea of the back story. Thanks Nick 😉
That's a quirky bit of history Nick. I do love Chris' reaction to this knife, and the salespeople's disclaimer sheet was a hoot! I read every caveat and laughed :) EDIT: However, this is the sort of knife I'd like to have just as a collector's piece (with the salesmen's sheet of course).
Brad Griffin
The letter is worth more than the knife but together they could fetch well over $20 at auction
CRKT wants permission to make a cheap Sebenza, Sanrenmu doesn't give a damn!
I'm not complaining.
I really liked this video! Getting to see something like this, taken down and showing all the ins and outs. Not something you get to see every day! Thanks
Bryan Galante right!
Very interesting and you covered it well. Most interesting to me is how and why CRKT made these. They either had a tentative OK from somebody at CRK or they just assumed they would get it. They had to spend some money designing that frame and figuring out how to integrate the metal into lockbar. They made a significant investment. That wouldn't be done without a belief that it could be manufactured. The letter to salespeople is also a sign that the company was sure this was going to be a product.
The business person in me wants the back-story on what decisions or assumptions were made when. This was great, Nick.
As a Chinese knife aficionado I've seen my share of plastic frames and Plasticine screws.
BTW - could it be that CRKT invented the hardened lock insert during the design of this model (which was probably done under the influence of some strong drugs)?
PS - take care of that cough, it sounds bad :)
Cheers!
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"As an aficionado of knives that are just clones of American knives, are made by indigent nine-fingered workers who have an unswerving commitment to third rate quality...."
There...I fixed it for you, bitch.
Nick Shabazz: "Plastic Framelock Advocate"
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This is my grail now
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Head explodes crkcrkt
that's prob worth more than a real one for rarity
Very interesting. It shows the metal sebenza in a more realistic perspective as a crude, simple tool.
I am reminded of all the gun-weenie whining about the early plastic Glock, which is a now spectacular success in professional use around the world. Even without a metal insert for the lockbar, this would be sufficient for the actual use of most knife-weenies opening their boxes and coffee bags.
I am looking for a knife to take on vacation to a former eastern-bloc commie country, where it is liable to be stolen or confiscated. A $20 plastic framelock with sebenza styling would do fine.
Thanks, Nick!
This would be tough competition for the jarbenza.
Just wondering ... are these prototypes now perhaps worth more than an original Sebenza?
I like this style of forensic knife documentary. Or it is genealogical investigation... Whatever it is, was most enjoyable. Goodonya Nick !
I haven't felt so terrifiedly fascinated since I learnt about the nuclear powered aircraft projects of the Cold War
Nowadays with how CRKT are doing their frame locks, I think that they might be able to perfect that Reeve sound that the knife makes and put it at a 60$ price point with AUS8 (because they hate my wallet and don't like putting a better steel for the most part)
I like reviews like this that are rich in production knife history. Someone should lend Nick one of the original 1981 Spyderco C01 Workers with the two screw clip (screws close together) to review and talk about. 1200 were made and you could have picked one of them up at the Texas State Fair in Dallas in 1981. It was the first pocket knife to have a pocket clip and was revolutionary for one handed opening folders.
I saw one on ebay a few months ago that was listed pretty cheap and was only $158 at the time (the seller didn't know what they had, they thought it was from the evolution series in the 1990s). I would have bought it if it didn't sell for the more accurate price of $620.
They should have made it. The Sebenza is an evolution of how exact and perfect a knife can be. This could have been perfection designed to price point but refined over the years. The lock bar etc are all a great design. Chris was probably scared it would get as good as the real thing.
Very interesting video Nick.
Definitely one of the stranger finds that still appears functional though.
The funniest thing is that they have the scale hole, lol 😂. I didn't expect all the details when you took it apart. If there is such a thing as a well thought out plastic folding knife, this was it👍👻.
Great review, Nick! Definitely a unique knife with some... interesting... features, especially the "butt wag".
Nick, use a magnet to see how much metal is in the lock bar. I remember people used to do that with Mora tangs to demonstrate how far down they went.
Looks better centered than the real sebenza tbh
Considering advances in materials and manufacturing processes (alongside those in knife/EDC adjacent fields), I would be curious to see what improvements to this general idea can be achieved in 2022.
I wondered if you, Nick, had any interest in adding a subtitle track to one of your videos if I gave you the .srt file. Specifically this one. I figured I wanted to do a project and figured I might as well make one for one of my favorite content creators. Maybe we even help a deaf knife enthusiast. But that being said, I do know adding the srt file will take some extra time and is not really beneficial for you or the channel, so don’t feel obligated. Anyway, enjoy the rest of your night and let me know if you have any interest! Thanks for all the free content.
Shoot me an email!
What about CRK's collaboration with Sanrenmu?
Sanrenmu just rips off the design and doesn't actually license it from CRK
acebulf I was being sarcastical
Hey nick, how are you liking your anthem after you got it anodized?
Still a great knife!
Not saying its a great knife. But that is a 22 year old budget chinese plastic framelock, that still locks up better than 50% of strider knives made in the last 10 years. Makes you wonder who the real "sheeple" are? The people afraid of the knives, or the people following the flock
I love liner locks but my first frame lock broke the lock off. So I’ve always been very leery of them. It surprises me expensive knives have frame lock. I’m not referring to this rare knife , just in general. I think the knife I had was a crkt can’t remember. Has that been your experience?
Are you using your experience with a steel crkt framelock to dismiss high end, or even decently made budget, framelocks?? God i love this community.
"Idk man, i dont believe a Porsche could ever do 200, my 95 kia only does 105"
Edit: seriously though, if you broke a steel framelock, my money is on user error, although user error that crkt could have prevented with an overtravel stop.
crk(t)
mind - blown
Very interesting bit of knife lore Nick,a strange bit hybrid Frankenstein plastic sebenza. The sweep of the blade on my sebenza 21 has that certain form which I personally like. A poor mans sebenza, I had to save for mine, I think I might have had one if they had survived, just for the blade shape alone. Really good content Nick for your knife nut followers. By the way, I understand about your watch thing a wee bit, got a buddy that loves watches, got me thinking about a nice bit of engineering on my wrist, A Timex expedition for edc and a nice Citizens for Sunday me.
While I do find this hilarious, I would like to see another company try to make a budget sebenza. I feel like it would be an eye opener for those people who, like me, thought they were way too plain of a knife to be worth the $400 they cost. I own one now and I get it, but I feel like if people were able to handle them without taking a $400 leap of faith more people would be buying them
Tyler Woolstenhulme seems like a lot of companies Ti slab folders are an attempt to make a more affordable Sebenza-esque design/knife. Some better than others at it.
I don't see CRK ever doing that for fear that it would canabilize sales of the current Sebenza. This is a huge concern for many companies in a variety of industries. For example Rolex removed their distribution of Tudor watches in the North American market for a number of years because the brand was effecting the sale of Rolex which is their main focus. They have recently returned to the U.S. with a different (and extremely successful) marketing strategy. They have been able to gain a new segment of the market taking market share from less expensive companies like Tag Heur. It would be very interesting to see how they would differentiate the 2 in order to not hurt the main focus of their company.
That's a fair point. I'd still like to see it happen though.
I always understood that the Sebenza is fantastic less for the design and more for the build quality and the grade of the materials/craftsmanship that goes into it. Is that correct..? I've never handled one
Yeah, that's fair to say. After around the $250 mark you're not paying for the materials as much as you're paying for the build quality and consistency. Yeah, you can pay ~$375 for a plain Sebenza but you can get the same handle material and blade steel on a ZT0450 for ~$160. But what makes it worth that much more is the consistency and precision with which it was made.
even though this maybe wasn't a great knife id honestly like to see CRKT revisit a plastic frame lock
If this abomination exists, I wonder what other forgotten "collaborations" are sitting on dusty shelves somewhere...??? :-(
I'm surprised CR authorized it to get that far. Good decision to can the project. Interesting story though.
It seems that taking the plastic and making all those modifications would be as expensive as just making it a steel framelock. It's still cool though.
1995 was a different time...
This is fascinating
Cool knife story. Thanks for sharing.
I wonder how much that's worth considering it's rarity...?
That's hilarious! I guess Chris Reeves didn't want his name on a Z-Hunter quality knife.
ogenmatic - lol ehh I'm sure it's more reliable than a Z-Hunter huh?
That is a really cool collectors item. I would love to have one. I would love to see a budget Sebenza. It could have an Aluminum frame with a steel subframe lock. Or they could have a thin steel frame and G10 scales. They could produce it in China and sell it for 200.00 $. For the people who don’t want to spend 400.00 $ for a Chris Reeve knife.
Nick's about to spike the market on these
Just out of curiosity, what's the steel on the blade? My guess would be 8CR13MOV?
I'm not sure that was around in 1995. Looking at the CRKT KISS (1997) they were using 420J2, so probably something similar.
The clones are to heavy and blocky to carry ! Dont carry them for the same reason I dont carry the buck 110 anymore ! Heavy and blocky ! And the lock isn't safe ! Some one said youre supposed to hold the lock shut while you use a sabenza !
Highly over rated ! Especially by the colt !
My $ 45.00 clones works just as good after tuning ( a $750.00 jib for crk ) ! Does the factory tuner actually make that much ?
I bought a kershaw shallot about half a decade ago. Back then it was like $50-$60. Now that it's discontinued, people on ebay are selling it at about $200.
You can see the (likely) steel insert in the lockbar runs the entire length of the knife to add stiffness.
IT would be interesting seeing knives from this era compared to their modern counterparts. Like if possible a gen 1 or 2 Delica vs a Delica 4 or a PAcific Cutlery corp vs a modern Benchmade.
Cool sample, but I have a real problem with the serrations, let alone the plastic lock and the cheap steel
i suppose they tried to bury this one in that card board coffin. Was that a disassembly or a dissection?
What a croc of poo, I want one now!!!!! I hate tis knife soooooo very much that I need one for my collection. I guess I'll just have to keep dreaming. Thanks for the vid Nick.
Hi nick when are we getting to see you review the kizer guru:)?
this story is vary hard to believe !Evan if its a prototype! hard to believe Chris Reeve would O-kay such a project!even if someone else made it like CRKT, there's a line of BS hear some place...
That blade tang sticks out like it should be a front flipper.
Crkt always comes up with good ideas right before they take a steamy, Mad Dog 357 dump on manufacturing decisions and quality control. ZT could probably make a legit Ti frame, s35vn licenced version for 180. My fingers would cramp while I fill my credit card information at speeds unknown to man.
A ZT sebenza would be awesome.
I already get confused when people use crk and crkt now using them together it's the crk crkt susbenza that's to much crk and crkts
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Interesting video.. It still has better hardware then any of my Spydercos..
Is CRKT Sebenza more expensive than CRK Sebenza?
Outstanding ! Great find !
Did you have to go all Indiana jones to find it ?
What kind of "steel" did CRKT plan on using? Lol can only imagine!
Mike O'Neill AUS-6
Mr. Maguire: There is a great future in plastics. Think about it. Will you think about it?
Benjamin Braddock: Yes, I will.
Mr. Maguire: Okay. Enough said. That's a deal.
Hey guys I need help, I'm wanting a new EDC work knife, I'm just stumped on what to get, I think I've narrowed it down to the kizer sunburst, the steel will cutjack c22m, the ZT 0450 and the lion steel tre, any input would be appreciated :)
Gadnuk Breaker Of Worlds ZT
Really interesting thanks for the video Nick
A super nerdy knife theory question: If a framelock is friction dependent, shouldn't more of the lockbar interfacing with blade be a good thing? Because more of the surface areas of the lockbar and blade would be touching, causing more friction.
The question is time: The framelock will wear. By having a closer-to-middle engagement, more wear can occur before the lockbar is no longer snug.
Rodrigo Teresa
A lot of quality framelocks have a stainless insert attached to the titanium frame & it's usually relatively thin. The spring built into the frame (and your hand wrapped around it in use) is what prevents the knife from unlocking - much more so than friction. If you had lots of contact area (= friction), you'd get lock-stick.
(If I got that wrong please correct me)
Rodrigo Teresa The lock bar cut out, or lack thereof, also makes a big difference. Most of a liner/frame lock's strength and usability comes from those two spots. It can be a super thick slab of titanium, etc., but if the cut out is too thin or the engagement doesn't allow for any wear, it's not going to work well. And, as a side note, as far as I'm aware most of a frame lock's strength depends upon the lock bar cut out, assuming reasonable hardness and placement. So if it gets as thin as a liner lock at the base of the lock bar, it may not be a whole lot stronger. Of course, your grip is helping to hold a frame lock in place. That is my understanding, anyway.
Sebenza thumb is absolutely a real thing, I cut the tip of my left thumb off and it's like all scar tissue but it's still not nearly as gnarly and calloused as my right thumb from opening the sebenzas
It’s literally the knife version of the glock 19. They made the parts that don’t need to be metal into plastic and left the parts that need to be metal in order to save money and weight (I’m assuming).
I have a sanrenmu 7010 that locks up a 80-90% n has no lock stick. I actually love that knife
Sebenza with a steel lock bar insert! SEBENZA WITH A STEEL LOCK BAR INSERT!
This just blew my mind!
I still think CRK should sell out a TAD and make a budget model. I own the real Sebenza, but I also own a couple of the SRM LAND knives which are decidedly CRK-ian and part of me would like a mid-range Sebenza to thrash... I mean, I thrash my real one, but still, I didn't enjoy paying 400 bucks for it. Maybe a licensed Kizer version? Steel lockbar insert, overtravel stop, maybe some bearings. ~175ish? I dunno. I'd buy it.
Wouldn't be a bad little budget knife if they put a metal lockbar insert in it or a thin piece of steel to slip over the lockbar where it locks in place
Omg Nick this is the best I can't stop laughing man holy sh*t....
Wow that was interesting!
I think the final product being made of metal was part of the obvious changes they were going to make
Makes the confusion between CRK and CRKT that much worse.
:P
Well the box looks pretty nice
Now if ZT made a Sebenza on bearings for 200 . . . . Have you reached out to Cricket for their input ?
Cricket 🦗?
As a sebenza collector, I need one of these now 😂
Please review the William Henry e10
The original steel lockbar insert?
No, because the steel doesn't extend to the end of the lock bar. It's spring steel with plastic molded around it, but is entirely inside the lock bar except where Nick showed it.
13:04 I CAN'T BREATHE
100% gem then right? :)
Why would a plastic frame lock be unsafe? Just use the knife the right way and you won't have problems. At least that's what some youtuber said yesterday. He was complaining about people who like tri-ad locks but his argument should hold up here, use a knife right and it shouldn't matter if it's a tri-ad or a plastic frame lock.
If only Crkt but that much attention to detail into their design 😂
I'd still trust that more than a slip joint.
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Not enough greed for reeves
That is awesome!
I think/hope Nick was joking with the review style of it. Because it is a prototype an early looking one to my mind. So the knife handle was probably going to be made out of another material.
+kurauk No, this was going to be a polymer framelock.
My brain will not allow me to believe this. Not saying you are wrong. But my brain is screaming plastic prototype to give a rough feel of the product before it gets a decent handle. I cannot overide that notion at all. It just seems stupid and I'm guessing Chris Reeve thought so to.
Many of these "prototypes" are indeed fakes of the real prototype. These could be had 5-8 years ago for $25-$50 on eBay all day long. But again, could be the same factory who did the "real" prototypes and they just kept making them due to the "collectibility" of them. Really weird knife, fun to see one but many are out in wild.
In the mid 1990's there were thousands of knife salesman, ie. that's a lot of salesman's prototypes. As the age of knife buying on the internet wasn't a thing yet or only in it's very infancy. So seeing alot on ebay before anybody knew the story makes sense.
Very entertaining!
And that is what happens when bean counters run you knife factory...
I thought I got rid of you? My phone still finds nickshabazz as I'm cleaning the house and auto play is on.
+crf450r bullet david You just can’t quit me.
Nick Shabazz hahaha yeah, I was having one of those terrible weeks when everything sucks. Have a good one Nick. On top off everything else my wicked edge broke during that week and it ended up only being a snapped roll pin. Wicked edge is so awesome they sent me a new 103/17 vise but I'm gonna send it back.
Lol plastic framelock what a gem.