FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS: Sebenza or Inkosi? Which Chris Reeve Small is for you?
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First it's the hard decesion on which model. Then the decesion on inlay vs non inlay, graphic or non graphic. Small or large. Then a while later you have all of them sitting on your table.
I recently made this decision. It was tough one, but I went with the small Sebenza. Such a hard decision. Sometimes the starving people in this world don't understand how difficult these first world problems can be.
Peter Galione LoL it was a tough decision for me too between both of those and I chose the Inkosi. It's fantastic.
Three years ago I bought a small insingo and two years later a large sebenza. Both are outstanding knives, very happy with them.
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This is an awesome video I ordered and inkosi a while ago it just came in a few days ago and I can't afford to go pick it up yet this video helps a little bit thank you
I recently picked up a Sebenza. No regrets. I like the somewhat shorter, beefier blade on the Inkosi, but the pivot bushing really makes the Sebenza for me. No fine tuning, no loctite. Just tighten it up and it's perfect.
For those who have hard time to decide, get both.
I appreciate seeing these two compared side by side, so kudos on a very good review. I have small hands, so I am going with the small Inkosi.
CRK’s are expensive but gorgeous IMO, and they’re the only knife company I know of that thoughtfully provides left-handed versions of everything they make, so they’ve earned my business. Also, if you EDC high-end folders, I would personally avoid the large Sebenza as it’s feels pretty bulky.
I will say that if you like your pocket knives to be on the small side then a large is definitely not for you. Although if you have large hands like I do, the large will absolutely fit like a glove and be an extension of your hand. I throw a large in my pocket everyday and forget its there tbh.
I have an Umnumzaan too which everyone said would be huge, it isn’t though. Pretty much the same size as a large Sebenza and feels the same in hand aside from a couple ergo changes. Both feel great and if you get one, you’ll probably buy the other shortly after. It’s a disease and I need to cure it by getting a small Inkosi lol.
You can use a little loctite for the rattle.
For me the ceramic ball makes a total difference in feel which I think is superior to the action.
inkosi also uses a large ceramic ball for the lock bar interface.
The lack of the pivot bushing on the Inkosi is a deal breaker for me if given the choice between a 21 and an Inkosi. The Sebenza pivot bushing is amazing.
I have a large inkosi with black micarta and a small plain jane sabenza. The weight of the blade on the large inkosi makes it very flip able, and the inkosi is more tune able. The small plain jane sabenza is very small and sweet. I just like the way it works and is more like a traditional pocket knife to me. If I had to choose I would say the large inkosi fits better and I like that I can tune it... M2C
Great video, thanks!
Dimond wood, no wait canvas micarta, I know i misspelt the wood but I find that quote so funny. Such different materials but I can’t say I haven’t made more stupid mistakes then that, love your stuff!
They make the best users. I had a 25 that one look from another company and it would be disqualified from warranty work. Chris Reeve made it look new again with minimal cost outside of shipping, new pocket clip & washers.
It's smoother because of the large detent that it's used as the locking interface and a detent, plus the 21 has a hollow grind and the inkosi has more of a flat grind. I'm not trying to be a jerk just wanted to point that out . Have a good day
I’ve been using my small inkosi daily for 6 months. It’s best to hell. I’ve sharpened in 3 times now. I’ll be sending it in for a spa treatment from crk soon , and then I’ll buy the new S45vn Sebenza!
Small sebenza takes the win imho.
By just hair, at least with the info you provided.
Never actually handled one though, one day perhaps.
Washers are different, not just larger. The inkosi no longer has the tab that the 25 had, and the washers are cut to is the stop pin as an anchor. There is also no longer a pivot bushing, the Inkosi is a more "traditional" pivot. I have a video on my channel of the differences between the 25 and Inkosi, minor but there are differences. Also the Inkosi does not use the same lanyard attachment as the Sebenza, so if you take off the lanyard it's just a standoff and won't rattle.
Cost cutting measures once Chris was separated from the company...get a Hinderer with a bowie blade
Nice video mate
I think I'm going to steer clear of cr knives... I'm just not rich enough to feel good about that... Plus I've already got over a dozen knives aaaaaand except for one, none of my knives cost me more than 19 dollars. My most expensive knife cost exactly 160.50, which is already way too much for me (that's how much i paid for my most expensive knife; the Spyderco Gale Bradley Advocate). Maybe one dayyyyyyy I'll hold a cr knife and change my mind... But... I'm just not ready to spend that kind of money. Thank you for the review!
Your channel is AWESOME SAUCE BOSS!
Great video thanks. Where can you buy these in Australia? Did you buy and ship in from the US?
All you need to know is that most of the time if you buy one of these, you will more than likely want another.
Try once, buy twice😉
Both are worth buying!!
I had both knives in for a couple of weeks to test. I liked the Inkosi when I saw the first pictures. And I appreciate the technical updates. But it was clear within seconds that the Small Sebenza has definitely the more versatile grip. As you said, the finger grooves are not ideal unless your hand has got the exact size to fit in.
great review as always. Thanks. Are they S45VN steel today?
I apologize as I'm not sure if you talked about the pocket clip. In case you didn't the Sebenza has its clip resting on the lock bar and the Inkosi doesn't. This could probably explain why the Inkosi is smoother. BTW I'm from a third world country lol.
Now I have both, my Inkosi is much smoother than my Sebenza and is my favorite knife. The Sebenza is about 6 knives down my list. If I knew before what I know now, I would have not bought the Sebenza. I will still keep it though, it's a very nice knife.
I've been back and forth on the two for several weeks going through dozens of reviews. I just placed my order for the Inkosi Insingo. Based on all I've reviewed if one can get their hand comfortable with the Inkosi ergonomics it is a clear winner. Lots have said the small Inkosi ergonomics are no issue and others say if you stick with it your hand gets comfortable with the choil design. Most that are critical of the ergonomics gave up on the model on day 1. The idea of dated technology for nostalgia sake really does nothing for me. I ended up with the Natural Micarta but debated a lot on whether the CF version may be better. After finding a fair amount of criticism about long term blade centering with CF I made my choice on the micarta inlays. Hopefully I'm not disappointed. Your comments encourage me.
@@teseglet hey friend so I just read your comment two years later and I am in the same predicament you were in and I made the same decision you made except I did not get an inlay on my titanium handle for the small inkosi.. can you give me an update on your decision and did you make the right decision do you love it or hate it?
@@BuffaloNickel9 I ended up with a small micarta Inkosi and a large Sebenza with Spalted Beech inlay with Damascus blade. Both sit in a drawer. My EDC ended up being a Shirogorov Neon Zero. With that said, my Sebenza is definitely a much more clunky operator than the Inkosi.
Great comparison man! I don't know why I never bought a Sebenza...I love perfection and prefer hollow grinds so it's kind of right up my alley. I have very similar sized hands as yours...I wear L/XL gloves but I also have slender fingers. Lol. So...if I happened to get one I guess it should be a large 21...? Is there any particular reason you wouldn't consider the large Inkosi?
+hovan2yourknives only because of the possibility of the grooves never being in line. I've handled a large sebenza - if ai ever go back It'll be for that
Interesting, the key thing to me is the pocket clip NOT resting on the lock bar on the Sebenza. They moved it off on the Inkosi. It kept me from ever grabbing the knife and engaging the lock bar accidentally. This was the key feature of me not buying the 21. Pivots are different too.
thanks
I have owned perhaps 12 CRK, but today I feel they are running on a past reputation. My only fault is the opening. They should go to bearings. So many less expensive knives open easier. But their service is superb, $25 gets a new sand blast, sharpening and oiling.
Hell no. As someone who puts their knives through hell I can say bearing are shit for long term use. I understand the want for an easier opening but bearing are too prone to collecting debris. As you wear in the knife the washers become more smooth. Hell you can even polish them if you dont have the patience.
🤔I too tend to prefer the action on bearings. But I still prefer washers. And you can get the same excellent action with a blade running on washers combined with an axis-lock, a compression-lock or a shark-lock.
And I was hoping to see that sabenza in an episode of dickhead survival.
They both only use 3 points to hold it together, Sebenza just has a seperate hole for the lanyard
These knives have a fatal problem in the steel tempered, lots of EDC carriers find soft spots in the blade,
Causing flat spots, because of the extreme expense most CRK are safe queens 👸, and sometimes it’s hard to get a warranty on the blade, some of these problems have been removed but , sometimes a queen is sold and if the new owners discover the softener steel the factory is difficult to deal with
$450 and soft spots is unacceptable
You cannot show the differences between CR knives without taking them apart.
Just basic shit. Lol
Is the blade taller on the inkosi?
Barely. I have a small Inkosi with a Insingo blade and a replica of the small Sebenza with a droppoint blade. The blade on the Inkosi is ever so slightly thicker and the primary grind on the Sebenza is a little bit taller, plus the OG has a deeper hollow grind than the Inkosi (my Green Thorn replica Sebenza has a flat grind, or at best an extremely shallow hollowgrind). If you're really interested I'd say you need to try before you buy. I was expecting the small Sebenza to be better for me but actually the Inkosi suits me so much better. Mind that either one will take a little bit of 'breaking in' (I felt the pointy thumbstuds were a bit of a pain, but once I figured out the right angle of approach it's really not an issue).
But what does Ricky think?
Why would I want a frame lock?
Go Large every time
It's the same with the large version too.....I have the 25 which is the inkosi...I compared it and the 25 is smoother
Definitely not the same knife, floating stop pin, universal washers, different blade grind, pocket clip not on lock bar.....
I don’t like finger grooves on anything, rarely do they enhance user experience quite the opposite actually:
I agree. Or at least, I think I do🤔 I have a collection of about 200 folders and only a handful of them have more than 1 fingergroove. Yet those that do are definitely among the ones that have the best 'ergos' imho. Those would be all of my Byrds and Spydies (excepting the Tenacious, which still has pretty good ergos), the CS Mini Recon 1, the Giantmouse Ace Biblio, the Manly City and the CRK small Inkosi. Come to think of it ... allmost every one of my favority knives have at least one pronounced fingergroove😖
The inkosi was not designed by chris reeves. Chris reeves son and wife both designed the inkosi. Sebenza 21 was the last design truly designed by chris reeves. I only stay true to chris reeves design which is the sebenza 21. Simplicity and original design makes the sebenza the true winner.
I have both and far prefer the Inkosi. It's a fixed version of the 25.
Are you sure o; that? I read an article where he said th e inkosi was the culmination of everything he has learned in his 30 years of knifevmaking.
Wasn't that the Umnumzaan?
Chris Reeve was still there when they designed the Umnumzaan and Sebenza 25
The sebenza is certainly more classic in design and lineage....still enjoyed the feel of the inkosi and want one
How about neither.
now you spent the money, what do you have
Inkosi has better ergos after using both of them.
JUST TELL ME ABOUT THOSE FUCKKING GOLF SHOES!
do you think the anthropologist Margret Mead's strange behavior of late can be explained by a private marijuana addiction?
How do you not have calipers, dude?
+adhair hahah truth, I am a ridiculous human
Maybe I'll send some calipers for you to review?
And then there's the Kizer T-1
In Gratitude I Am also the benchmade 765 is a great competitor with a few minor annoyances
Ew why
Just buy both… simple
Why not compare a $500 American made knife to what you could get if you spend the same $500 on a state of the art Chinese made knife.
a few more years and they will completely take over the market
Yes, given the same materials, if you pay your workers a living wage, you will of course have to charge more than if you only pay them 2-3 bucks an hour. Pretty easy math. Cheap labor is the one and only reason China sells so many products around the globe.
Chinese have been making knives for thousands of years. Western business people go to China and buy cheap stuff to sell back to us to make a profit. If you would see the Artistry that the Chinese keep for themselves it would make you understand. $5,000 USD is cheap for Bonsai scissors in Asia made from a master like I said you have not seen what they are capable of. Ancient samurai sword makers would heat the steel and then plunge it through the body of their adversary over and over again thinking that it would enhance the magical powers of the sword but little did they know that they were adding carbon
James : I didn’t say they couldn’t or didn’t make good stuff. I was only commenting that even if a knife were made to the exact quality standards using the same materials, of course the one from China would be cheaper because their labor cost is very much cheaper than other industrialized nations. Like I mentioned, simple math.
@@James-ke5sx Why are you comparing Chinese products to Japanese? Are you just mentioning things made in Asia in general?
@@Portalpotty Asia and general have been making knives etc for thousands of years way longer than Western knife makers. I get tired of hearing people in the west saying that things made in China are cheap. the same with Japan. Both of these countries have been making excellent quality knives in the far past here in the West we have no idea have some of the high-quality stuff that we never see. I still have one single butcher knife that I bought 30 years ago made in China and it's still Sharp I only use a steel to hone it
Both garbage knives. Too much money for too little product. I just do not like frame lock.
as opposed to what?