My theory on why it took professor hulk awhile to snap is because he was trying to bring back Natasha but since she is "inside" the soul stone and it can't be undone it was not allowing professor hulk to bring her back. It makes a lot of sense because professor hulk says "I really tried to bring her back", at the same time the energy was killing him and he had no choice but to snap the other half back into existence.
I also believe this, if you look closely when hulk puts on the gauntlet the energy starts surging normally but after a couple of seconds the stones make a sound and start burning hulk’s arm almost as if they are fighting back
I wonder what would’ve happened if Thor got the chance to snap. He was powerful enough to snap and survive however he was denied the choice due to his mental health? (Hinted during the scene that he probably would have taken his own life along with being back half of life.)
I like your theory. But I like his as well that the soul stone didn't want Hulk to snap. I definitely would've dug seeing Hulk meet Nat in the Soul world.
I heard that it was difficult for Hulk bc he was actually trying to bring Natasha with all the rest but since she was sacrificed it wouldn't let him... And finally after fighting with the stone Hulk just gave up on trying to get Natasha understanding it was impossible
Haha I just typed a comment just like this, little more long winded, then saw yours. I really think you are right . I feel like the move made it quite clear.
@@darkness-qt9dx Yeah, probably gave up is not the best term to use but he did understand trying to bring Natasha back was futile and the more he struggle with the stones it would only continue to weaken him to the point of death and then who would do the snap
Tony stark actually sacrificed his relationship with his daughter by selflessly sacrificing himself. Hulk was able to hold the stones and didn't need a sacrifice. He even said he tried to undo the sacrifice of Natasha.
From the moment Tony agreed to help the avengers when they pulled up to the lakehouse, he was making a sacrifice to put his family first. He thought that time travel could mean everything since the first snap that he gained, including his daughter, would all be erase. Every step he took was a sacrifice.
Hulk is an already powerful being though and made from gamma radiation, the same radiation that the stones gave off. I think its just the visual effects being different for the scene they were part of.
Agreed..also I wouldnt say the stones were fighting against the hulk just that thanos had a gauntlet made by the dwarves with tech way superior than that of the iron gauntlet and just because we didn't see him go into the soul world doesnt mean he indeed never went,just that we didnt see it.times not the same in the soul world ...so an instant in real time that isnt noticed could be lets just say 30 minutes in soul world.
This makes perfect sense. I still would have loved to see a Nat and Tony scene for Tony to say I was wrong about the whole double agent thing. Thank you for your sacrifice Nat. We won.
That's not really his style, is it ?!... He wasn't even knowing how hard she was searching for him (and eventual others survivors) when brought back to Earth. And if he has respect for her, I think, he also didn't give a damn if she (Natasha) would come back or not... The goal for him was : 1/ Bring back everybody (or nearly). 2/ Overkill Thanos and all his band in order to keep his family safe. 3/ If he had to die on the way, have the best heroic death ever ! One more time, he did it all...
Yeah I know smart hulk tried to bring her back but that is not how the stones work and smart hulk was not meant to wield the gauntlet because the stone did not want him to snap hence his struggle with gauntlet and the snap compared to Tony’s snap the stones accepted his intention to wipe away thanos and his army
@@1491Alan who said that? Hulk literally said he was trying to bring Natasha back but it wouldn't, but when he stopped trying it let him. The only requirement to get the Soul Stone is a soul for a soul, after you get it it doesn't matter who uses it. When Tony snapped he was able to do it perfectly fine with nothing holding him back, and he didn't make a sacrifice to use it. Sure since he was a normal human it killed him to do it, but nothing was stopping him from doing it. Also remember all the Avengers loved Natasha and they all lost her when they got the Soul stone
Tony DID make the sacrifice. He sacrificed his life with his wife and child. Remember that earlier when Ant Man and Cap propose the idea to him, he says that he will not sacrifice his life with his family. The soul stone does not resist him, because he is making the sacrifice right at the moment he is using the stones.
The thing he didn't want to sacrifice was his family, not just his life with them. When they said "time heist," he knew a change to their timeline thus far would mean --at minimum -- no Morgan. She was the reason he didn't want to chance it. But, if the Soul Stone wanted a soul, he -- of course -- would have merely offered his own. And the rest is history.
Hulk said he was trying to bring Nat back but couldn't, that was most likely the resistance. Also, it was all 6 stones at once vs one at a time with Thanos. Also, different gauntlet.
Right, the Iron Gauntlet was never designed to contain the power of all 6 stones. The dwarf-made Gauntlet was designed to wield all 6 stones but only for 1-2 snaps. The power of all 6 stones was just too powerful even for the Infinity Gauntlet. It could be that the stones were actively resisting Dr. Hulk but I think it was a combination of factors, this was the first time he wore all 6 stones, the Iron Gauntlet was not a suitable wielder of all 6 stones, and he's not as strong (or wasn't at this point) as Thanos so he was susceptible to more damage.
Tony didn’t take as much damage using similar gauntlet which is the main reason I see it as the struggle of trying to bring nat back that caused the resistance
@@TheMite7 well he should of died instantly since the power stone by itself almost killed starlord and hes half celestial tony is just a regular human holding all 6 stones and barely got any damage in all actually he should have disintegrated
Thank you! Someone who actually watched the movie I kinda thought it was the gauntlet cus the 1 thanos had was designed to harness that type of power, I was surprise the iron man one could tbh
I had always thought the same way. Also this theory really fleshed it out, particularly Banner. He may have come to terms with Hulk, but he was always wanting to get rid of him, NOT sacrifice himself. Ironically, in Ultron it’s the Hulk that sacrifices himself to Exile to not hurt Natasha, and for two years, banner is “sacrificed” while Hulk rages, and even begins to speak somewhat normal. Thought this was interesting.
Fiege/the russos told us whats up... up until the moment hulk snapped, he was trying to bring blackwidow back. The stones wouldn't let him, and he finally accepted this and snapped. Fiege or the russos (i can't remember which one) literally said this!
Plot twist: Tony stark could use the Soul Stone without resistance because Tony Stark loves his life (with family) most Thus making him giving up his life and whatever time he could have spent with his family all the more valuable a sacrifice to the stone.
As many others have mentioned it wasn't the stone wanting Clint... From my interpretation, it was clearly spelled out in the Endgame if you listen to Hulk's dialogue. When Hulk uses the Stark Gauntlet he tries to bring back Natasha but the stones wisdom does not allow it not only cause he didn't make a sacrifice but because you can't bring back a person if they were part of the sacrifice to get the stone in the first place. We see this when he's trying to snap but the stone literally resists being used by further hurting Hulk's arm. The stones further punish Hulk by hurting his arm a ton more throughout the scene. I believe if he had just snapped without trying to bring back Natasha he would have minor damage to his arm. My theory is further "proved" later on when in the scene where Hulk and Steve are talking before Steve takes the stones back, Hulk says something along these lines "I tried bringing back Nat, I really did but I could just not do it" meaning that the stones didn't let him. If you don't believe me watch the endgame scene where hulk snaps and carefully listen to EVERYTHING he says after he snaps and the scene after the battle when before Steve takes the stones back and Steve and Hulk have a chat. He says everything I stated above, just not word for word. I'm just typing this based on what I can recall. That makes more sense to me than this video(no offense). Edit: His punishment went on further and he was denied seeing Nat in the Soul World.
@@kalieffoster4607 "not enough..."-dude, it literally says it in the fucking movie. You must not be very good at inferring explanations from subtle hints, huh? Unless everything is just blatantly spelled out for you by the source material, it seems to just go right over your head... 🤦🏻 Can someone please get this man an r/whoosh? And a "Connect the Dots" puzzle book while you're at it, so he can practice the concept..? Thank you!
Ok the infinity gauntlet was made of uru (Asguardian steel) and was specifically designed by the best blacksmith in the universe to wield the infinity stones while the iron gauntlet was made of nanobots and wasn't capable of holding the great cosmic energy. However I do agree that the stones do have various degrees of cosmic awareness.
I always felt the same thing. Uru is much stronger and had magical properties to it. It's not that hard to figure out lol. Everyone has their theories though...
so? in all actuality i doubt even a gauntlet is needed seeing as all you'd have to do is have all 5 stones and the only one that is hard to hold is pure power(which is what the power stone was) but if you held all 6 even without a gauntlet it would have been fine. particularly if how they came to exist at all is true
@@luthaidan4232 really? cause the guardians didnt need a 'container'(other than just holding it) to use it AGAINST Ronan, Vision didnt need a container(sine it was attached to him) to use the mind stone, maybes its easier when its contained, but NOT needed
@@luthaidan4232 Ok I rewatched the scene. The time stone has a force field around it because it's always spinning. What they touch is that force field. As for containers, that just makes them easier to control. Like when Thanos held the power stone in his hand to hyper beam Captain Marvel away or the guardians to un alive that one bad guy. I think you're confused because the stones have a certain degree of control of who they allow to touch them. Red skull, starlord, and hulk were hurt or punished for even holding the vessels that held the stones. Red skull was sent to vulmir, starlord almost died if he wasn't half god, and hulk would've died if he kept trying to bring back Natasha
It’s simply because Tony made that suit specifically to take the full surge of the Infinity Gauntlet/Stones. He made that suit to endure, not to fight. Because deep down in his heart, he already knew he had to do the sacrifice.
I believe, he was focusing on trying to bring natasha back, and that’s y the stones especially the sole stone was resisting the snap. so he had to remove her from his request to perform the snap.
The Infinity Gauntlet is made of Uru, the same material as Thor's hammer. The Nano Gauntlet is simple Stark nano tech. Uru is used in Asgard due to its ability to channel cosmic energy. This is the reason for the differences in the reaction of the gauntlet wielders.
@@luthaidan4232 because the second component of using the infinity stones is WILL. That is why Steve was able to hold the Gauntlet and Thanos had to hit him with his free hand. Tony for all his flaws has far greater will power than Bruce. If Steve had the gauntlet, he would have been able to snap easily, but it would have killed him in the process.
@@luthaidan4232 we have to consider the fact that this is the MCU and that happened probably because they wanted to give the Avenger who kick started the MCU a better death scene! The dialogue "I am Ironman" had to be there! For him and the fans.
@@bindingcurve woah buddy listen, I'm not saying that Banner has a stronger will that Tony but Banner has a really strong will. He's been through a lot both as Hulk and as Banner. If he had a weak will power he would never have turned human ever. Plus he managed to bring Banner and Hulk together and became Prof. Hulk so there's no questioning of his will power!
@@lone_vig Banner is inward looking. All he ever wants is to be left alone. He is NOT out to change the world. Yes he has overcome his own demons, but even then, it's a constant struggle. He is NOT focused on his own goals. He is NOT striving to achieve. Yes he helps, but never leads.
@@bindingcurve buddy For Tony his greatest goal was a suit of armour around the world (to protect the planet) but for Bruce it was to control himself and the hulk it was his goal he even tried to kill himself just because he couldn't control the hulk. But now he did that. Did you see the endgame post credit scenes? Where the Hulk saves people from a burning building? I mean from smashing everything to saving people the Hulk and Banner did grow a lot so I don't think he's weak.
at the point of tonys snap, he is giving up what he loved the most of all himself. he knew the snap would kill him so in a sense he was trading his own life to wield the soul stone along with the entire gautlet
@@unou588 But he is implying that the stone REQUIRES a sacrifice to wield it, it doesnt. You only need to make a sacrifice to get it, once you already have it you can use it. Wether or not you survive or not depends upon the person who uses it. You dont need a sacrifice everytime it is used.
@@drewclayton1022 I would attribute that to the fact that Tony’s hand was in that position before the stones had been placed into the right spots by the nano bots. If you watch the scene very closely, you see that the stones are still moving when the camera cuts to Tony. The surge of energy doesn’t start until the stones stop moving. His hand is already in position when that happens.
It was easy. Tony literally just killed Thanos and his followers. Hulk tried to bring back Natasha, this is impossible hence why he struggled until accepting he could only reverse the snap. The stones aren’t able to do the impossible
I think the writer responses show they just hadn't thought through that. I'm guessing they just sacrificed professor hulk's arm to show how powerful the stones were
Sorry but y’all are forgetting the conversation about the soul stone “I tried to bring her back tony” the stone requires the sacrifice but he attempted to bring everyone and her back eventually settling on everyone
I came to this same conclusion, that the stones have some level of consciousness, after getting high and rewatching Age of Ultron. It has completely changed the entire MCU for me.
@@HisameArtwork I said some level of consciousness. Doesn't imply full sentience. And He Who Remains ensured their death. Have you not seen Loki yet? Keep up.
This theory is wrong, its because thanos gaunlet is made of uru metal which has magical properties which is purposed for harnessing the power of all the infinity stones . As where the gaunlet hulk uses was made by stark from earthly metals thats the reason.
@CyberAssassin369 Although in the general sense I'd have to agree, and certainly considering "initial" durability Thanos is more durable than Hulk (not when Hulk gets angrier and angrier), but in this instance it seems unlikely since Prof Hulk himself states that he's the most well equipped since the gauntlet gives off gamma radiation, and Hulk literally absorbs gamma and it makes him even stronger. The only thing that makes any sense in this regard would be that the MCU version of Hulk just isn't as formidable as the actual comic versions. Because if the only factor we're focusing on here is the extremely high levels of gamma being emitted, it doesn't make sense to suggest Thanos is more durable than Hulk since Hulk was born from gamma radiation and it's the very reason he exists. Man....the MCU is quite a mess when we really scrutinize it. Entertaining for sure, but very inconsistent.
Are you just realizing how powerful they are? We've moved beyond tgeir power to now thinking they have less power than we expected. In the MCM that is.
Tony was able to wield the stones because his armor is powered by an arc reactor. The same reactor that was derived of Howard’s research on the tesseract for Tony to discovery badassium. This allows tony to not interfere or be harmed with an infinity stones energy because they cancel each other out. This is why Loki was not able to mind control Tony in Avengers. Also why he was able to not be obliterated by the power stone in Infinity War. All of that energy shot straight into the arc reactor and allowed him to use the stones as any other gadget that he can use in his suit.
Oh man, how did I manage to forget this?! For so long this was one of my favorite little tidbits of unspoken (but blatantly implied) information from the MCU, and I was always waiting to see when and how it would eventually come into play! But apparently it slipped out of my mind at some point before Endgame, because I never made this connection, despite fucking WAITING for it 🤦🏻 thank you, omfg... ALTHOUGH I'm not quite sure I'm 100٪ on board with this being the reason behind his.. "Infinity tolerance," let's call it.
Loki couldn't do anything to Tony because the scepter didn't actually touch Tony, but the cover of his reactor. At least that's what I gathered from that scene
My question is why didn’t the Hulk instantaneously heal. He did in Ang Lee Hulk and Louis Leterrier versions. The both got it correct, Hulks healing factor is better than Wolverines. What gives?
It didn't make much sense. Hulk even pointed out that he was the most well equipped since the gauntlet gives off gamma radiation, which Hulk just absorbs. And you're also correct that Hulks healing factor is better than Wolverine's. I'm not sure about what would be considered his "base" level/form, but it's well known that Hulks healing factor increases with his rage/strength/endurance. I suppose this could be somewhat explained away by suggesting that the MCU version isn't the same as the comics, but based on everything we know about Hulk in the MCU it still seems like a bit of a mistake to have him for no apparent reason not be able to heal from that, and fairly quickly.
The russo brothers explained that the damage done by de infinity stones was still to powefull and that the damage done to his arm was permanent not possible for him to heal this
Its just stupid writing. It was "mostly gamma" and would have turned him into Worldbreaker, not ruined his arm. And if he was knocked out we could have seen Gray, Savage, Banner, and Devil Hulk which would have launched the Hulk's true comic story of Dissociative Personality and been extremely interesting.
@@tigerianwinter If we're not regarding the MCU and just looking at the comics, then Hulk has the superior healing factor. I say this in an unbiased manner since I don't have a dog in the fight. But given their base forms, they're probably pretty similar. The biggest difference is that Logan has his healing factor somewhat restrained since it's literally in a constant state of fighting off the adamantium poisoning his body. In the instance where his adamantium is removed, his healing factor goes into overdrive. But with Hulk, his healing factor coincides with his rage, meaning the angrier he gets, the higher his healing factor goes. In what is more or less his ultimate form as World Breaker Hulk, he is virtually immortal and can't be killed. He heals just about instantly and even the most severe wounds such as lost limbs can be taken care of in a matter of minutes. For comparison X-23 has a higher healing factor than Wolverine does due to the simple fact that she has the same healing factor as Logan, but isn't restricted by the massive amount of adamantium since she only has the minimal amount bonded to her hands claws and feet claws. Same thing with Sabretooth. No adamantium on him at all, so his healing factor is in full gear all the time. Comic book wise Sentry is the top dog here, and most likely Madcap in a close second place. But of course this is the comic book realm, so certain feats can always be alluded to in order to "boost" a specific character for any given situation. But along general terms they're pretty close, with Hulk having the slight edge since his healing factor is only restrained by his current level of anger.
I came to understand that he was resisted because he was “trying to bring back Natasha” said in dialogue “I tried.” When he realized he couldn’t bring her back he was then allowed to snap. Most likely when they said take it off and he said he’s was okay is when he realized he needed to omit the part about Natasha in his snap. Iron man had no such problem because he was not thinking about Natasha, only defeating Thanos. They also made a point in dialogue with Thor and Hawk Eye talking about using the stones. I feel like the movie was clear in this.
Easy answer: Thanos applied the stones one by one so his body was able to get used to each stone individual hulk put on the gauntlet with every stone on it so he had a surge of power hitting him all at once does not take a rocket scientist to figure that out 🤷🏾♂️
I think Tony Stark's iron man suit took a lot of the infinity stones energy. As opposed to the hulk he only had the iron man glove. Also hulk wanted to bring back Natasha and obviously he couldn't.
Maybe the reason it hurts hulk is that its all the infinity stone power all at once? rather than like with Thanos it was a slow and steady gain after each time he got a stone? Plus the gauntlet probably isn't completely perfect to handle the stones.
Yes He’s Right I Know We All Seen The Scene Where Smart Hulk Was Like I Tried I Tried To Bring Her Back He Was Talking About Natasha He Didn’t Want To Let Her Go
That could be part of it, but i also think how and what they are mounted on also is a part of it. The Infinity Gauntlet was originally made for Thanos only and was made with special medals by a powerful craftsmen. There's a level of blood and sacrifice in the gauntlet itself. Hulk was wearing an iron man gauntlet that was made to safely use the stones, it was not made to be a full confection to the hulk either. Iron man just straight up slapped the stones on his own armor while it was on. The armor iron man was using was a nanite armor that was made for him and at this point is a part of him in other ways, sure he doesn't have the shrapnel in his heart anymore but The armor is tied to the concept of Tony Stark of Iron Man in such a way that the housing of the stones is more profound and there for more willing to give their power to the wielder.
I think it is a whole lot simpler than this. Although by the time I finished writing this I realised it was a bit longer than I thought it would be. But still simple. Hulk says: "I tried to bring Nat back, it wouldnt let me" (paraphrased of course as I cannot remember it verbatim). So I think it really boils down to this: The stones have a base level of power that will course through your body without any use. The Gauntlet holds them at the ready and connects them to you, exposing you to a seriously dialed down and contained amount of their power, but ultimately not hitting you with the full power of the universe at once. THEN when you apply your will towards using the power of the stones in combination, the amount of power required is almost intuitively assessed by the stones and allowed to pass through the gauntlet and into your body. If your body and mind can handle it, then you win, if not, you vaporize. As evidenced by post infinity war snap Thanos and Gauntlet. The gauntlet looked like shit and Thanos took a beating from using the power. He was asking the stones to eliminate 50% of all life in the universe, a monumental amount of power. And an amount of power going through a being of immense personal power. So he could take the hit. his arm is in a worse state when he uses the stones again to destroy themselves, another massive amount of power required. Now look at Prof Hullk. He was attempting to do the same thing as Thanos but in reverse. When you look at the state of his arm after the snap, he is a bit worse for wear than Thanos, but he is also a bit weaker than Thanos. I think that the pain and struggle of Prof Hulk was less to do with the power that ultimately coursed through him to attempt the un-snap. But more to do with his attempt to bring Nat back at the same time and the Stones resisting. I think the moment he finally snaps is when he realises he cannot include that request in his "wish" and must drop the request. The struggle is all really a personal one and a willpower one that he finally lets go of. if he never attempted to include the Nat Revival element of the snap, he would have simply felt a bunch of power, and then snapped and had a toasty arm as a result. The final Snap for Tony Stark. His suit obviously was able to absorb a whole lot more of the stone power in their idle state. Which is what allowed a mere mortal to actually hold 6 infinity stones at once. But when you ask the stones to do something, the gauntlet is forced to channel that power through you. I dont think his suit suppressed any of the power of the actual snap, because that is not how the snap works. The stones assessed the power and sent it through him. But the power required to snap Thanos and a few million aliens out of existence was not even a blip on the radar compared to the previous two snaps. It was enough to kill a mere mortal though. And finally, if Tony's suit only shielded him from the raw power and not actually from any of the snap power, and he was exposed to 6 infinity stones' worth of power, why was he not instantly vaporized as a mere mortal. That is because these were not naked stones. Holding a naked Infinity Stone forces all of its power into you regardless of whether you are trying to use it or not. Ronan in GotG could handle the stone a lot easier once it was in his giant hammer, naked in his hand it was threatening to tear him apart. The Gauntlet allows incredible finesse and control of the Infinity Stones' power, to such an extent that a mortal like Tony Stark, could ask a small enough amount of power from all 6 combined, and still not be vaporized. And yes, I consider snapping Thanos and a few million other lifeforms out of existence a minute amount of power for the stones.
To go with this theory, maybe Tony sacrificed his time with his daughter/watching her grow up. It makes sense because that's who he saw in the spirit world in the deleted scene, and he saw her grown up.
Or, maybe after studying the gauntlet Tony prepared his armor and tech to help absorb power to take the strain off of his body in the event he would need to wield the stones. He obviously altered his Nano tech to transfer the stones between his two gauntlets while fighting.
@@PaulinaAngel who says we won't? We've got a whole crazy multiverse now with repeating time lines and people learning what "should have happened" to them.
I think this segment with Tony stark could hold true as he was the first of the avengers and also if you look back at moments where thanos was wielding both gauntlets he struggled with the power as well! Where as Tony did it ease. The other way you can look at it is he had more time to study the potential power of the stones and isolate them to a state that they were not going to hurt him when he attached them to his armour until they were in a state where he needed to actually do the snap to kill thanos and his army.
@@dannycarson3084 Just a suicide !... The very first of that kind, if you're really SURE it is !!! You can't call this fight to save your best friend from death a "suicide". It's insulting.
@@philippebernard4577 yeah but she jumped off the cliff, and let go to fall… a noble death, but still killed herself. Clint didn’t kill her, he tried to save her
*I think you’re also forgetting the Uru Metal used to create Thanos’s Gauntlet was far more powerful than the Stark Gauntlet. It was simply for cosmetic purposes it wasn’t damaged immediately after it was used.*
People seem to ignore that one gauntlet was built by the servants of magic alien gods, specifically to use the stones and the other was made by Tony stark in an afternoon. The impacts on the user are going to be greater on Stark's basic gauntlet.
also tony makes the same sacrifiice that natasha does he sees the what he sacrificed, his future watching morgan reach adulthood... tapping into the same self sacrifice energy that natasha did
This is a very meaty theory! I can see some of this substance because, yeah, the Soul Stone can read the soul of the user. Even Red Skull said the soul stone has a particular wisdom.
Hulk didn't expect himself to die in snapping so he wasn't really ready to make a sacrifice. Tony expected himself to die so was ready and willing to sacrifice himself, which worked because you can probably have also sacrificed yourself on volmir to get the stone but that generally defeated the purpose so no one did it.
Maybe it wasn't Banner unwilling to make the necessary sacrifice and instead the Hulk. Remember, they are kind of fused. They came to an understanding with each other, so the Hulk was still in there and he's the one the soul stone deemed unworthy, but since Banner was, he was able to fight through it and force the "snap".
I think hulk was actively trying to bring back Natasha along with everyone else he even said he tried but he couldn't. That's why I think he met so much resistance. The Soul stone wasn't going to allow him to snap and remove her from the soul world.
From the 1st time i seen tony step out of that cave in his 1st iron man suit, i never would have expectes him to be 1 of the last ones standing against thanos! Bravo!!!
Hulk admitted he tried to bring Nat back when he used the stones, I would like to believe that’s why the soul stone resisted and your assessment makes a lot of sense!
I figured tony could handle it because of how he got the visions of the future and was "chosen" somehow when the scarlet witch touched his mind with her power that as been theorized to be linked or attuned to the stones, him walking away from his family in endgame is touching, its like he knows hes not coming back and instantly that sets the measure of his character.
They might have also seen the memory of when his friend told him “I saved your life, don’t waste it” and so every time he was willing to lay down his life and survived..He remembers that phrase.
I think he Did enter the soul stone and meets Natasha and That’s why he says he really tried to bring her back, he was thinking about her when he tried to snap everyone back.
I think it was harder on the Hulk because the stones radiation is mostly gamma as stated by Bruce, and it wasn't jiving with Hulk's natural gamma radiation (likes repeal and oppositions attract). Thus, Hulk had to force it all together long enough to snap everyone back.
It's more aggressive against Bruce Banner because Bruce Banner is a human. Even one stone is supposed to kill any human. Quill is half Celestial and one would have killed him. Bruce is a pure human and holding all six. Well, Gamma human, his big thing, but even so it's like Thanos has a 99% damage resistance to the stones and Bruce has like 70% or more. Enough to stop him being instantly vaporised, but much less resistance than Thanos hence taking much more damage.
you neglect to consider the fact that all 6 stones are acting together as a unified whole and if one stone can think, so can they all. that means they would communicate with each other. if strange could use the time stone to determine possible futures, then the time stone would be able to pass along the fact that thanos would eventually sacrifice gamora to obtain the soul stone, making him worthy. there is also the possibility that the stones have an existence outside of linear time and know all the possible outcomes, just like strange did. my thought is that the soul stone knew that when prof hulk tried to bring everyone back that some people would still die in the attempt and wanted to keep someone good from making that mistake.
I think the hulk got hurt because he was searching for a way to bring back Natasha whilst holding the gauntlet, against the wishes of the soul stone and its rules. It is even stated by him towards the end of the movie when he was talking to Steve that he tried to bring her back but couldn’t.
My theory is the iron gauntlet wasn't built to handle the power of the stones like the infinity gauntlet. Which is why Tony died when he used it but HULK was strong enough to survive it.
Gotta say I found the argument about Prof Hulk’s encounter with the stones faulty simply be considering that Thanos is just stronger than Prof Hulk and therefore doesn’t display as much stress as Hulk does when wielding the gauntlet.
The difference may just be the gauntlets thought. The Uru gauntlet vs the nano tech gauntlet. The energy surge was spread out through Tony's suit as well, so that may have had an impact on the energy.
I assumed that much like A1, when Thor lit Tony up with lightning and powered his suit, that Tony's suit had the ability to absorb energy at least to some degree. Hulk, both had to contend with the stones which radiated gamma radiation (we don't know if it had other effects on gamma radiation) and his bodies natural ability to absorb it which may have been to potent or plentiful but the lesser materials Tony used to create the gauntlet. Thanos didn't go to Walmart for the gauntlet he went to etrei to forge it. It was literally made from the best metal in existence
Professor hulk implied he tried to do things like bring Natasha back but all we saw was a quick snap and not the internal and/or spiritual idea and action he was trying to will the stones to perform. Cinematically it was an event that happened off camera. Similar to Thors visions in age of Ultron... It happened in his head
They do in comics! Soul stone is known to have a will of it’s own. Plus the cosmic cube is known to develop isn’t own personality. Often reflecting it’s creator personality and subconscious.
My idea is that the Infinity Stones allowed Tony to "snap" so easily...was to undo what Thanos had done. Which, I think, was all in a predetermined timeline. Both were going to happen when they NEEDED to happen and Professor Hulk trying to "snap" , was at the incorrect time during the timeline.
Surely it’s because the infinity gauntlet was created purely to wield the stones whereas the endgame gauntlet is basically just a big iron man hand so it’s not got the same capabilities
Yeah I personally believe that. As clever as Tony Stark is, he is still out of his depth trying to quickly create a gauntlet that is based off the design of something he knows little about.
I think the idea is that the soul stone was hidden in Vormir with the intent of having a sacrifice to *obtain* it but after it’s been gained through a sacrifice it can be used as much as you want and by whomever wields it. The sacrifice is only needed if it’s placed back on Vormir
My take on the situation is that because the stones are all from different time periods, they are actively fighting back in being used because they're not being used in their respective timeline/reality. It was fine with Infinity War, since they all existed in the same place, but with Endgame they're not where they're supposed to be and the stones are communicating with themselves and noticing an anomaly in where they are
I think using the Soul Stone requires the use/control of emotions to wield its power. I think it resisted due to the Split Personality (siamese twin souls) between Banner and Hulk. Banner loved Natasha, and would have sacrificed himself if Hulk would’ve allowed him so. It is Hulk himself that was pushing (or pushed by) the Soul Stone. Hulk doesn’t care about people and wants to be left alone, it’s kind of hard to convince someone like that to save half of the Universe by bringing people back. Entering the Soul Stone probably requires peace in the soul, no regrets.
It was because at most the Gauntlet made by Stark was only Vibrianium, where the Gauntlet made by Etri for Thanos was Uru Metal and was capable of absorbing far more energy.
I think that Tony got time in the soul world since he knew he wouldn't of been able to take the power of the stones to survive, he sacrificed himself on the spot, hulk said before he did the snap that he'll be "Able to take it" he knew he'd survive either way where as Tony didn't.
Actually, one of the writers for Endgame said that Hulk *did* go to the Soul Stone world -- and met Bruce Banner. They had written a script for it but never filmed if, if I recall.
I just thought that hulk and iron man endured worse injuries than thanos because the stark gauntlet wasn’t built as well as the gauntlet from infinity war. You know, being forged from a star apparently
If that is the case that the soul stone was literally actively fighting him from snapping, that just makes his feat even greater. Granted he tried to bend the rules and bring back Natasha, but that also just validates his feat even further. I see it as the snap that “wasn’t” supposed to happen. Hulk never traveled to vormir therefore doesn’t understand how important the sacrifice of the soul stone is. It’s sad that hulks snap isn’t looked at enough. He not only brought back everyone that was dusted, literally HALF THE UNIVERSE, but that he fought in the battle right after, AND holding up avengers compound on his back for a time (a reference to him holding up a mountain in secret wars)
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My theory on why it took professor hulk awhile to snap is because he was trying to bring back Natasha but since she is "inside" the soul stone and it can't be undone it was not allowing professor hulk to bring her back. It makes a lot of sense because professor hulk says "I really tried to bring her back", at the same time the energy was killing him and he had no choice but to snap the other half back into existence.
Thank you. Really thought ithis was obvious.
I also believe this, if you look closely when hulk puts on the gauntlet the energy starts surging normally but after a couple of seconds the stones make a sound and start burning hulk’s arm almost as if they are fighting back
I wonder what would’ve happened if Thor got the chance to snap. He was powerful enough to snap and survive however he was denied the choice due to his mental health? (Hinted during the scene that he probably would have taken his own life along with being back half of life.)
@@bootysnatcher4207 He probably would’ve turned all the earth’s water into beer
I like your theory. But I like his as well that the soul stone didn't want Hulk to snap. I definitely would've dug seeing Hulk meet Nat in the Soul world.
I heard that it was difficult for Hulk bc he was actually trying to bring Natasha with all the rest but since she was sacrificed it wouldn't let him... And finally after fighting with the stone Hulk just gave up on trying to get Natasha understanding it was impossible
Yeah, thats what actually is said in the movie so this seems canon
Haha I just typed a comment just like this, little more long winded, then saw yours. I really think you are right . I feel like the move made it quite clear.
I know it's Canon but I the idea that hulk give up just feels wrong
@@darkness-qt9dx Yeah, probably gave up is not the best term to use but he did understand trying to bring Natasha back was futile and the more he struggle with the stones it would only continue to weaken him to the point of death and then who would do the snap
@@darkness-qt9dx he gave up because it was impossible. He ether brought back everyone who was snapped or he brings back nobody
Tony stark actually sacrificed his relationship with his daughter by selflessly sacrificing himself. Hulk was able to hold the stones and didn't need a sacrifice. He even said he tried to undo the sacrifice of Natasha.
From the moment Tony agreed to help the avengers when they pulled up to the lakehouse, he was making a sacrifice to put his family first. He thought that time travel could mean everything since the first snap that he gained, including his daughter, would all be erase. Every step he took was a sacrifice.
This could be why Hulk didn't get to see anything.
Maybe this is also why it resisted him initially knowing he would try to bring Nat back.
Hulk, too powerful.
@@pokealex388 Remember, Stark is a narcissit at heart, he sacrificed himself the one thing he loves most.
I always took it as Tony being able to hold the stones because he had an entire suit to disperse the energy whereas Hulk had just the gauntlet
That’s exactly what I was thinking lol
Hulk is an already powerful being though and made from gamma radiation, the same radiation that the stones gave off. I think its just the visual effects being different for the scene they were part of.
Yeah, I buy your theory more than this one
@@aedwardsss thank you for coming to my TedTalk
Agreed..also I wouldnt say the stones were fighting against the hulk just that thanos had a gauntlet made by the dwarves with tech way superior than that of the iron gauntlet and just because we didn't see him go into the soul world doesnt mean he indeed never went,just that we didnt see it.times not the same in the soul world ...so an instant in real time that isnt noticed could be lets just say 30 minutes in soul world.
This makes perfect sense. I still would have loved to see a Nat and Tony scene for Tony to say I was wrong about the whole double agent thing. Thank you for your sacrifice Nat. We won.
That's not really his style, is it ?!... He wasn't even knowing how hard she was searching for him (and eventual others survivors) when brought back to Earth. And if he has respect for her, I think, he also didn't give a damn if she (Natasha) would come back or not...
The goal for him was : 1/ Bring back everybody (or nearly). 2/ Overkill Thanos and all his band in order to keep his family safe. 3/ If he had to die on the way, have the best heroic death ever !
One more time, he did it all...
Sure, want an ice cream with that too?
It makes no sense, because Hulk said he was trying to bring Natasha back with his snap, but it wouldn't let him, so this entire video is bullshit lol
Yeah I know smart hulk tried to bring her back but that is not how the stones work and smart hulk was not meant to wield the gauntlet because the stone did not want him to snap hence his struggle with gauntlet and the snap compared to Tony’s snap the stones accepted his intention to wipe away thanos and his army
@@1491Alan who said that?
Hulk literally said he was trying to bring Natasha back but it wouldn't, but when he stopped trying it let him.
The only requirement to get the Soul Stone is a soul for a soul, after you get it it doesn't matter who uses it.
When Tony snapped he was able to do it perfectly fine with nothing holding him back, and he didn't make a sacrifice to use it. Sure since he was a normal human it killed him to do it, but nothing was stopping him from doing it.
Also remember all the Avengers loved Natasha and they all lost her when they got the Soul stone
Tony DID make the sacrifice. He sacrificed his life with his wife and child. Remember that earlier when Ant Man and Cap propose the idea to him, he says that he will not sacrifice his life with his family. The soul stone does not resist him, because he is making the sacrifice right at the moment he is using the stones.
The thing he didn't want to sacrifice was his family, not just his life with them. When they said "time heist," he knew a change to their timeline thus far would mean --at minimum -- no Morgan. She was the reason he didn't want to chance it. But, if the Soul Stone wanted a soul, he -- of course -- would have merely offered his own. And the rest is history.
Hulk said he was trying to bring Nat back but couldn't, that was most likely the resistance. Also, it was all 6 stones at once vs one at a time with Thanos. Also, different gauntlet.
Right, the Iron Gauntlet was never designed to contain the power of all 6 stones. The dwarf-made Gauntlet was designed to wield all 6 stones but only for 1-2 snaps. The power of all 6 stones was just too powerful even for the Infinity Gauntlet. It could be that the stones were actively resisting Dr. Hulk but I think it was a combination of factors, this was the first time he wore all 6 stones, the Iron Gauntlet was not a suitable wielder of all 6 stones, and he's not as strong (or wasn't at this point) as Thanos so he was susceptible to more damage.
Tony didn’t take as much damage using similar gauntlet which is the main reason I see it as the struggle of trying to bring nat back that caused the resistance
@@JeseBeast not as much damage aka dying in the process
@@TheMite7 well he should of died instantly since the power stone by itself almost killed starlord and hes half celestial tony is just a regular human holding all 6 stones and barely got any damage in all actually he should have disintegrated
Thank you! Someone who actually watched the movie I kinda thought it was the gauntlet cus the 1 thanos had was designed to harness that type of power, I was surprise the iron man one could tbh
Hulk wasn't able to see Nat in the Soul world because he tried to undo her death. This intent was "felt" by the Soul stone.
I had always thought the same way. Also this theory really fleshed it out, particularly Banner. He may have come to terms with Hulk, but he was always wanting to get rid of him, NOT sacrifice himself. Ironically, in Ultron it’s the Hulk that sacrifices himself to Exile to not hurt Natasha, and for two years, banner is “sacrificed” while Hulk rages, and even begins to speak somewhat normal.
Thought this was interesting.
I remember Banner freaking out when he realized how much time Hulk had taken over for. (2 years?)
@Chris Reagin watch ragnarok again. Hulk left because "earth hate hulk".
@@CranE6490 Only Natasha liked him, poor greeny Hulky boy !... And "Ragnarok" is SO good !!! :D
Fiege/the russos told us whats up... up until the moment hulk snapped, he was trying to bring blackwidow back. The stones wouldn't let him, and he finally accepted this and snapped. Fiege or the russos (i can't remember which one) literally said this!
Professor Hulk stated it actually
Soul stone: “I require a sacrifice”
Hulk: “Where’s Natasha?”
I'll do you one better.......
WHY is Natasha
WHAT is Natasha?
HOW is Natasha? 🤔
I'll do you one better
where?
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Plot twist: Tony stark could use the Soul Stone without resistance because Tony Stark loves his life (with family) most Thus making him giving up his life and whatever time he could have spent with his family all the more valuable a sacrifice to the stone.
I think Tony's nano tech isn't as strong as the gauntlet designed by etri the dwarf.
It's as simple as that lmao
Your right it's confirmed by the writers. This dude's theory is just wrong and stupid. This guy probably sees meaning in everything and always wrong.
@@Quintos. People with that bad attitude need to stfu...
@@Quintos. God save us, you're the opposite !... I mean : the same !
Exactly. That makes way more sense since the gauntlet is made from Uru
As many others have mentioned it wasn't the stone wanting Clint... From my interpretation, it was clearly spelled out in the Endgame if you listen to Hulk's dialogue. When Hulk uses the Stark Gauntlet he tries to bring back Natasha but the stones wisdom does not allow it not only cause he didn't make a sacrifice but because you can't bring back a person if they were part of the sacrifice to get the stone in the first place. We see this when he's trying to snap but the stone literally resists being used by further hurting Hulk's arm. The stones further punish Hulk by hurting his arm a ton more throughout the scene. I believe if he had just snapped without trying to bring back Natasha he would have minor damage to his arm. My theory is further "proved" later on when in the scene where Hulk and Steve are talking before Steve takes the stones back, Hulk says something along these lines "I tried bringing back Nat, I really did but I could just not do it" meaning that the stones didn't let him. If you don't believe me watch the endgame scene where hulk snaps and carefully listen to EVERYTHING he says after he snaps and the scene after the battle when before Steve takes the stones back and Steve and Hulk have a chat. He says everything I stated above, just not word for word. I'm just typing this based on what I can recall. That makes more sense to me than this video(no offense).
Edit: His punishment went on further and he was denied seeing Nat in the Soul World.
Not enough evidence
@@kalieffoster4607 "not enough..."-dude, it literally says it in the fucking movie. You must not be very good at inferring explanations from subtle hints, huh? Unless everything is just blatantly spelled out for you by the source material, it seems to just go right over your head... 🤦🏻
Can someone please get this man an r/whoosh? And a "Connect the Dots" puzzle book while you're at it, so he can practice the concept..? Thank you!
The sacrifice was for retrieving the stone, not using it.
Yea. This is a stretch.
Absolutely true
Tony "Took" the stone from Thanos.
Ok the infinity gauntlet was made of uru (Asguardian steel) and was specifically designed by the best blacksmith in the universe to wield the infinity stones while the iron gauntlet was made of nanobots and wasn't capable of holding the great cosmic energy. However I do agree that the stones do have various degrees of cosmic awareness.
I always felt the same thing. Uru is much stronger and had magical properties to it. It's not that hard to figure out lol. Everyone has their theories though...
so? in all actuality i doubt even a gauntlet is needed seeing as all you'd have to do is have all 5 stones and the only one that is hard to hold is pure power(which is what the power stone was) but if you held all 6 even without a gauntlet it would have been fine. particularly if how they came to exist at all is true
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Thanos literally plucks it out of the air after Strange force pushes it towards him
@@luthaidan4232 really? cause the guardians didnt need a 'container'(other than just holding it) to use it AGAINST Ronan, Vision didnt need a container(sine it was attached to him) to use the mind stone, maybes its easier when its contained, but NOT needed
@@luthaidan4232
Ok I rewatched the scene. The time stone has a force field around it because it's always spinning. What they touch is that force field.
As for containers, that just makes them easier to control. Like when Thanos held the power stone in his hand to hyper beam Captain Marvel away or the guardians to un alive that one bad guy.
I think you're confused because the stones have a certain degree of control of who they allow to touch them. Red skull, starlord, and hulk were hurt or punished for even holding the vessels that held the stones. Red skull was sent to vulmir, starlord almost died if he wasn't half god, and hulk would've died if he kept trying to bring back Natasha
It’s simply because Tony made that suit specifically to take the full surge of the Infinity Gauntlet/Stones. He made that suit to endure, not to fight. Because deep down in his heart, he already knew he had to do the sacrifice.
I believe, he was focusing on trying to bring natasha back, and that’s y the stones especially the sole stone was resisting the snap. so he had to remove her from his request to perform the snap.
true
The Infinity Gauntlet is made of Uru, the same material as Thor's hammer. The Nano Gauntlet is simple Stark nano tech. Uru is used in Asgard due to its ability to channel cosmic energy. This is the reason for the differences in the reaction of the gauntlet wielders.
@@luthaidan4232 because the second component of using the infinity stones is WILL. That is why Steve was able to hold the Gauntlet and Thanos had to hit him with his free hand. Tony for all his flaws has far greater will power than Bruce. If Steve had the gauntlet, he would have been able to snap easily, but it would have killed him in the process.
@@luthaidan4232 we have to consider the fact that this is the MCU and that happened probably because they wanted to give the Avenger who kick started the MCU a better death scene! The dialogue "I am Ironman" had to be there! For him and the fans.
@@bindingcurve woah buddy listen, I'm not saying that Banner has a stronger will that Tony but Banner has a really strong will. He's been through a lot both as Hulk and as Banner. If he had a weak will power he would never have turned human ever. Plus he managed to bring Banner and Hulk together and became Prof. Hulk so there's no questioning of his will power!
@@lone_vig Banner is inward looking. All he ever wants is to be left alone. He is NOT out to change the world. Yes he has overcome his own demons, but even then, it's a constant struggle. He is NOT focused on his own goals. He is NOT striving to achieve. Yes he helps, but never leads.
@@bindingcurve buddy
For Tony his greatest goal was a suit of armour around the world (to protect the planet) but for Bruce it was to control himself and the hulk it was his goal he even tried to kill himself just because he couldn't control the hulk. But now he did that. Did you see the endgame post credit scenes? Where the Hulk saves people from a burning building? I mean from smashing everything to saving people the Hulk and Banner did grow a lot so I don't think he's weak.
at the point of tonys snap, he is giving up what he loved the most of all himself. he knew the snap would kill him so in a sense he was trading his own life to wield the soul stone along with the entire gautlet
You dont trade anything to wield it, you only trade something to get it. Why are yall assuming you have to give up something to use it?
@@Justin-xu6vo He gave up his life to use it? lol A mortal man would have to, therefore the cost of using that power for any mortal is death.
@@unou588 But he is implying that the stone REQUIRES a sacrifice to wield it, it doesnt. You only need to make a sacrifice to get it, once you already have it you can use it. Wether or not you survive or not depends upon the person who uses it. You dont need a sacrifice everytime it is used.
Tony loved his new life, he was sacrificing his own soul to save everyone he loved.
4:31 “if so, why was Tony able to wield the gauntlet with relative ease.” Bro, the shit KILLED HIM. Doesn’t sound like ‘relative ease’ to me.
Lmao he just means how easy it was for him to pull his hand up and snap his fingers. Hulk literally could barely pull his arm up to snap his fingers
@@drewclayton1022 he had his suit in you can even see the energy sparks going through his suit rather than his actual skin like the hulk or thanos
@@drewclayton1022 I would attribute that to the fact that Tony’s hand was in that position before the stones had been placed into the right spots by the nano bots. If you watch the scene very closely, you see that the stones are still moving when the camera cuts to Tony. The surge of energy doesn’t start until the stones stop moving. His hand is already in position when that happens.
It was easy. Tony literally just killed Thanos and his followers.
Hulk tried to bring back Natasha, this is impossible hence why he struggled until accepting he could only reverse the snap.
The stones aren’t able to do the impossible
@@inteallsviktigt Yeah like… rewind time and… make entire populations disappear 🙄
I think the writer responses show they just hadn't thought through that. I'm guessing they just sacrificed professor hulk's arm to show how powerful the stones were
Sorry but y’all are forgetting the conversation about the soul stone “I tried to bring her back tony” the stone requires the sacrifice but he attempted to bring everyone and her back eventually settling on everyone
I do however agree on the hulk meeting nat in the soul world but they had a thing so he should’ve seen her in there
I came to this same conclusion, that the stones have some level of consciousness, after getting high and rewatching Age of Ultron. It has completely changed the entire MCU for me.
well for some sentient stones they sure were suicidal in letting thanos destroy them.
@@HisameArtwork I said some level of consciousness. Doesn't imply full sentience. And He Who Remains ensured their death. Have you not seen Loki yet? Keep up.
It was made quite clear that the stones are sentient on a few occasions.
@@3sgtecelica uuuh, chill bro, maybe get high again and relax ma friend.
@@HisameArtwork huh? What you mean chill? I'm chill as can be. Seems like you took offense to what I said. Not my fault.
This theory is wrong, its because thanos gaunlet is made of uru metal which has magical properties which is purposed for harnessing the power of all the infinity stones . As where the gaunlet hulk uses was made by stark from earthly metals thats the reason.
That doesn't explain why Stark was more easily able to resist the pain than Professor Hulk.
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Tony had a full suit of nano-tech armor and Hulk didn't. His suit could have been managing some of that power.
@@taelim6599 the stones are more destructive once they touch organic matter, tonys suit absorbed alot of the energy from the stones
@CyberAssassin369 Although in the general sense I'd have to agree, and certainly considering "initial" durability Thanos is more durable than Hulk (not when Hulk gets angrier and angrier), but in this instance it seems unlikely since Prof Hulk himself states that he's the most well equipped since the gauntlet gives off gamma radiation, and Hulk literally absorbs gamma and it makes him even stronger. The only thing that makes any sense in this regard would be that the MCU version of Hulk just isn't as formidable as the actual comic versions. Because if the only factor we're focusing on here is the extremely high levels of gamma being emitted, it doesn't make sense to suggest Thanos is more durable than Hulk since Hulk was born from gamma radiation and it's the very reason he exists.
Man....the MCU is quite a mess when we really scrutinize it. Entertaining for sure, but very inconsistent.
yeah and the description kind of makes it seem like this theory is a fact
So the Infinity Stones have their own subconsciousness. It seems the Infinity Stones are more powerful than we thought.
We been known this.
Been this we known.
Are you just realizing how powerful they are? We've moved beyond tgeir power to now thinking they have less power than we expected. In the MCM that is.
Not in the TVA... lol.
@@Phoenician7786 master yoda
Tony was able to wield the stones because his armor is powered by an arc reactor. The same reactor that was derived of Howard’s research on the tesseract for Tony to discovery badassium. This allows tony to not interfere or be harmed with an infinity stones energy because they cancel each other out. This is why Loki was not able to mind control Tony in Avengers. Also why he was able to not be obliterated by the power stone in Infinity War. All of that energy shot straight into the arc reactor and allowed him to use the stones as any other gadget that he can use in his suit.
Oh man, how did I manage to forget this?! For so long this was one of my favorite little tidbits of unspoken (but blatantly implied) information from the MCU, and I was always waiting to see when and how it would eventually come into play! But apparently it slipped out of my mind at some point before Endgame, because I never made this connection, despite fucking WAITING for it 🤦🏻 thank you, omfg... ALTHOUGH I'm not quite sure I'm 100٪ on board with this being the reason behind his.. "Infinity tolerance," let's call it.
Loki couldn't do anything to Tony because the scepter didn't actually touch Tony, but the cover of his reactor. At least that's what I gathered from that scene
My question is why didn’t the Hulk instantaneously heal. He did in Ang Lee Hulk and Louis Leterrier versions. The both got it correct, Hulks healing factor is better than Wolverines. What gives?
It didn't make much sense. Hulk even pointed out that he was the most well equipped since the gauntlet gives off gamma radiation, which Hulk just absorbs. And you're also correct that Hulks healing factor is better than Wolverine's. I'm not sure about what would be considered his "base" level/form, but it's well known that Hulks healing factor increases with his rage/strength/endurance.
I suppose this could be somewhat explained away by suggesting that the MCU version isn't the same as the comics, but based on everything we know about Hulk in the MCU it still seems like a bit of a mistake to have him for no apparent reason not be able to heal from that, and fairly quickly.
The russo brothers explained that the damage done by de infinity stones was still to powefull and that the damage done to his arm was permanent not possible for him to heal this
Its just stupid writing. It was "mostly gamma" and would have turned him into Worldbreaker, not ruined his arm. And if he was knocked out we could have seen Gray, Savage, Banner, and Devil Hulk which would have launched the Hulk's true comic story of Dissociative Personality and been extremely interesting.
Hulks healing factor isn’t better than Wolverines. Hulk is just much more durable. Sabertooths healing factor is more on par with Wolverine.
@@tigerianwinter If we're not regarding the MCU and just looking at the comics, then Hulk has the superior healing factor. I say this in an unbiased manner since I don't have a dog in the fight. But given their base forms, they're probably pretty similar. The biggest difference is that Logan has his healing factor somewhat restrained since it's literally in a constant state of fighting off the adamantium poisoning his body. In the instance where his adamantium is removed, his healing factor goes into overdrive. But with Hulk, his healing factor coincides with his rage, meaning the angrier he gets, the higher his healing factor goes. In what is more or less his ultimate form as World Breaker Hulk, he is virtually immortal and can't be killed. He heals just about instantly and even the most severe wounds such as lost limbs can be taken care of in a matter of minutes. For comparison X-23 has a higher healing factor than Wolverine does due to the simple fact that she has the same healing factor as Logan, but isn't restricted by the massive amount of adamantium since she only has the minimal amount bonded to her hands claws and feet claws. Same thing with Sabretooth. No adamantium on him at all, so his healing factor is in full gear all the time.
Comic book wise Sentry is the top dog here, and most likely Madcap in a close second place.
But of course this is the comic book realm, so certain feats can always be alluded to in order to "boost" a specific character for any given situation. But along general terms they're pretty close, with Hulk having the slight edge since his healing factor is only restrained by his current level of anger.
The Soul Realm has stairs leading to it during transition. Hulk doesn't like stairs.
Classic.
Awesome lol
yup so thats why he dont got there
It should of been you Hawkeye. It should have been you!!! ☺
Hahahahaha Hahahahaha
Plot Twist : that's the combined verdict of Hawkeye's family.
Soul stone was behind it all.
Give me rent
soulstone to bruce wheres my sacrifice
I came to understand that he was resisted because he was “trying to bring back Natasha” said in dialogue “I tried.” When he realized he couldn’t bring her back he was then allowed to snap. Most likely when they said take it off and he said he’s was okay is when he realized he needed to omit the part about Natasha in his snap.
Iron man had no such problem because he was not thinking about Natasha, only defeating Thanos.
They also made a point in dialogue with Thor and Hawk Eye talking about using the stones.
I feel like the movie was clear in this.
Easy answer: Thanos applied the stones one by one so his body was able to get used to each stone individual hulk put on the gauntlet with every stone on it so he had a surge of power hitting him all at once does not take a rocket scientist to figure that out 🤷🏾♂️
You have broke this plot down extensively and eloquently. You have brought great clarity to my intellect. Thanks 😊
Glad it was helpful!
I think Tony Stark's iron man suit took a lot of the infinity stones energy. As opposed to the hulk he only had the iron man glove. Also hulk wanted to bring back Natasha and obviously he couldn't.
Jesus this got me emotional thinking about all the different possibilities and the shear magnitude of epicness this brings to the big screen!
Maybe the reason it hurts hulk is that its all the infinity stone power all at once? rather than like with Thanos it was a slow and steady gain after each time he got a stone? Plus the gauntlet probably isn't completely perfect to handle the stones.
It didn’t hurt Stark nearly enough tho and it was the same gauntlet
The infinity gauntlet is made of uru which is a stronger metal to endure the stones' power compared to nano tech.
@@normalaleks4549 probably cause his suit distributed across the energy, since the nano armour has shown to be able to absorb energy... Maybe?
I felt like Tony sacrificed his future with Pepper & Morgan - and that’s why the soul stone and the rest of the stones let Tony snap easier.
Happy you’re back doing these
Yes He’s Right I Know We All Seen The Scene Where Smart Hulk Was Like I Tried I Tried To Bring Her Back He Was Talking About Natasha He Didn’t Want To Let Her Go
Tony loved himself, he made his sacrifice.
That could be part of it, but i also think how and what they are mounted on also is a part of it. The Infinity Gauntlet was originally made for Thanos only and was made with special medals by a powerful craftsmen. There's a level of blood and sacrifice in the gauntlet itself. Hulk was wearing an iron man gauntlet that was made to safely use the stones, it was not made to be a full confection to the hulk either. Iron man just straight up slapped the stones on his own armor while it was on. The armor iron man was using was a nanite armor that was made for him and at this point is a part of him in other ways, sure he doesn't have the shrapnel in his heart anymore but The armor is tied to the concept of Tony Stark of Iron Man in such a way that the housing of the stones is more profound and there for more willing to give their power to the wielder.
I think it is a whole lot simpler than this. Although by the time I finished writing this I realised it was a bit longer than I thought it would be. But still simple.
Hulk says: "I tried to bring Nat back, it wouldnt let me" (paraphrased of course as I cannot remember it verbatim).
So I think it really boils down to this: The stones have a base level of power that will course through your body without any use. The Gauntlet holds them at the ready and connects them to you, exposing you to a seriously dialed down and contained amount of their power, but ultimately not hitting you with the full power of the universe at once. THEN when you apply your will towards using the power of the stones in combination, the amount of power required is almost intuitively assessed by the stones and allowed to pass through the gauntlet and into your body. If your body and mind can handle it, then you win, if not, you vaporize.
As evidenced by post infinity war snap Thanos and Gauntlet. The gauntlet looked like shit and Thanos took a beating from using the power. He was asking the stones to eliminate 50% of all life in the universe, a monumental amount of power. And an amount of power going through a being of immense personal power. So he could take the hit. his arm is in a worse state when he uses the stones again to destroy themselves, another massive amount of power required.
Now look at Prof Hullk. He was attempting to do the same thing as Thanos but in reverse. When you look at the state of his arm after the snap, he is a bit worse for wear than Thanos, but he is also a bit weaker than Thanos.
I think that the pain and struggle of Prof Hulk was less to do with the power that ultimately coursed through him to attempt the un-snap. But more to do with his attempt to bring Nat back at the same time and the Stones resisting. I think the moment he finally snaps is when he realises he cannot include that request in his "wish" and must drop the request. The struggle is all really a personal one and a willpower one that he finally lets go of. if he never attempted to include the Nat Revival element of the snap, he would have simply felt a bunch of power, and then snapped and had a toasty arm as a result.
The final Snap for Tony Stark. His suit obviously was able to absorb a whole lot more of the stone power in their idle state. Which is what allowed a mere mortal to actually hold 6 infinity stones at once. But when you ask the stones to do something, the gauntlet is forced to channel that power through you. I dont think his suit suppressed any of the power of the actual snap, because that is not how the snap works. The stones assessed the power and sent it through him. But the power required to snap Thanos and a few million aliens out of existence was not even a blip on the radar compared to the previous two snaps. It was enough to kill a mere mortal though.
And finally, if Tony's suit only shielded him from the raw power and not actually from any of the snap power, and he was exposed to 6 infinity stones' worth of power, why was he not instantly vaporized as a mere mortal. That is because these were not naked stones. Holding a naked Infinity Stone forces all of its power into you regardless of whether you are trying to use it or not. Ronan in GotG could handle the stone a lot easier once it was in his giant hammer, naked in his hand it was threatening to tear him apart. The Gauntlet allows incredible finesse and control of the Infinity Stones' power, to such an extent that a mortal like Tony Stark, could ask a small enough amount of power from all 6 combined, and still not be vaporized. And yes, I consider snapping Thanos and a few million other lifeforms out of existence a minute amount of power for the stones.
To go with this theory, maybe Tony sacrificed his time with his daughter/watching her grow up. It makes sense because that's who he saw in the spirit world in the deleted scene, and he saw her grown up.
Or, maybe after studying the gauntlet Tony prepared his armor and tech to help absorb power to take the strain off of his body in the event he would need to wield the stones. He obviously altered his Nano tech to transfer the stones between his two gauntlets while fighting.
I remember this being brought up, and that I agree , his arc reactor was able to take as much energy off of it
@@PaulinaAngel yeah for hulk you saw the power flowing into his body directly. With Tony you could see it flowing into his armor
@@RoosterSenpai Would have been good to have see Bruce and Natasha have one last moment together
@@PaulinaAngel who says we won't? We've got a whole crazy multiverse now with repeating time lines and people learning what "should have happened" to them.
I think this segment with Tony stark could hold true as he was the first of the avengers and also if you look back at moments where thanos was wielding both gauntlets he struggled with the power as well! Where as Tony did it ease. The other way you can look at it is he had more time to study the potential power of the stones and isolate them to a state that they were not going to hurt him when he attached them to his armour until they were in a state where he needed to actually do the snap to kill thanos and his army.
That makes no sense though, Clint wasn’t willing to sacrifice Natasha…
I've thought this too. It wasn't a sacrifice, just a suicide.
@@dannycarson3084 Just a suicide !... The very first of that kind, if you're really SURE it is !!! You can't call this fight to save your best friend from death a "suicide". It's insulting.
@@philippebernard4577 yeah but she jumped off the cliff, and let go to fall… a noble death, but still killed herself. Clint didn’t kill her, he tried to save her
I love how much detail they put into these movies
*I think you’re also forgetting the Uru Metal used to create Thanos’s Gauntlet was far more powerful than the Stark Gauntlet. It was simply for cosmetic purposes it wasn’t damaged immediately after it was used.*
People seem to ignore that one gauntlet was built by the servants of magic alien gods, specifically to use the stones and the other was made by Tony stark in an afternoon. The impacts on the user are going to be greater on Stark's basic gauntlet.
I think that the Soul Stone wanted Black Widow to sue Disney....
Yeah I wondered why the Hulk struggled so much with putting the glove on compare to Ironman and Thanos.
also tony makes the same sacrifiice that natasha does he sees the what he sacrificed, his future watching morgan reach adulthood... tapping into the same self sacrifice energy that natasha did
I cannot believe that I never thought of this before! Now, this got my interest!
"The Infinity stones are one of the most powerful things in the Univ-
TVA: Wow, this would make a great paper weight
This is a very meaty theory! I can see some of this substance because, yeah, the Soul Stone can read the soul of the user. Even Red Skull said the soul stone has a particular wisdom.
Hulk didn't expect himself to die in snapping so he wasn't really ready to make a sacrifice. Tony expected himself to die so was ready and willing to sacrifice himself, which worked because you can probably have also sacrificed yourself on volmir to get the stone but that generally defeated the purpose so no one did it.
Maybe it wasn't Banner unwilling to make the necessary sacrifice and instead the Hulk. Remember, they are kind of fused. They came to an understanding with each other, so the Hulk was still in there and he's the one the soul stone deemed unworthy, but since Banner was, he was able to fight through it and force the "snap".
I like this theory
"Hi guys, my name is Bruce. My build? Different."
-The Hunk (2069)
I think hulk was actively trying to bring back Natasha along with everyone else he even said he tried but he couldn't. That's why I think he met so much resistance. The Soul stone wasn't going to allow him to snap and remove her from the soul world.
I don't know. I always chalked it down to the material but this can be a contributing factor too
Because Tony Made One Of The Greatest Sacrifices A Hero Can Make Sacrificing Himself
From the 1st time i seen tony step out of that cave in his 1st iron man suit, i never would have expectes him to be 1 of the last ones standing against thanos! Bravo!!!
Hulk admitted he tried to bring Nat back when he used the stones, I would like to believe that’s why the soul stone resisted and your assessment makes a lot of sense!
I figured tony could handle it because of how he got the visions of the future and was "chosen" somehow when the scarlet witch touched his mind with her power that as been theorized to be linked or attuned to the stones, him walking away from his family in endgame is touching, its like he knows hes not coming back and instantly that sets the measure of his character.
They might have also seen the memory of when his friend told him “I saved your life, don’t waste it” and so every time he was willing to lay down his life and survived..He remembers that phrase.
5:22 No Tony built that suit to handle the power of the Infinity Stones.
Damn that’s crazy the snap ….from hulk and him not taking the elevator changed everything #multiverse
I think he Did enter the soul stone and meets Natasha and That’s why he says he really tried to bring her back, he was thinking about her when he tried to snap everyone back.
I think it was harder on the Hulk because the stones radiation is mostly gamma as stated by Bruce, and it wasn't jiving with Hulk's natural gamma radiation (likes repeal and oppositions attract). Thus, Hulk had to force it all together long enough to snap everyone back.
It's more aggressive against Bruce Banner because Bruce Banner is a human. Even one stone is supposed to kill any human. Quill is half Celestial and one would have killed him. Bruce is a pure human and holding all six. Well, Gamma human, his big thing, but even so it's like Thanos has a 99% damage resistance to the stones and Bruce has like 70% or more. Enough to stop him being instantly vaporised, but much less resistance than Thanos hence taking much more damage.
you neglect to consider the fact that all 6 stones are acting together as a unified whole and if one stone can think, so can they all. that means they would communicate with each other. if strange could use the time stone to determine possible futures, then the time stone would be able to pass along the fact that thanos would eventually sacrifice gamora to obtain the soul stone, making him worthy. there is also the possibility that the stones have an existence outside of linear time and know all the possible outcomes, just like strange did. my thought is that the soul stone knew that when prof hulk tried to bring everyone back that some people would still die in the attempt and wanted to keep someone good from making that mistake.
I think the hulk got hurt because he was searching for a way to bring back Natasha whilst holding the gauntlet, against the wishes of the soul stone and its rules. It is even stated by him towards the end of the movie when he was talking to Steve that he tried to bring her back but couldn’t.
My theory is the iron gauntlet wasn't built to handle the power of the stones like the infinity gauntlet. Which is why Tony died when he used it but HULK was strong enough to survive it.
no hulk has pain cause he tries to undo the sacrifice soul stone be like no way man as a punishment will burn your arm no soul realm for you
Gotta say I found the argument about Prof Hulk’s encounter with the stones faulty simply be considering that Thanos is just stronger than Prof Hulk and therefore doesn’t display as much stress as Hulk does when wielding the gauntlet.
The difference may just be the gauntlets thought. The Uru gauntlet vs the nano tech gauntlet. The energy surge was spread out through Tony's suit as well, so that may have had an impact on the energy.
Holy moly, this makes a whole lot of sense.
Tony's snap came easy cause he was ready and willing to sacrifice himself.. easy
Remember too that Hulk tried to bring back Natasha, which would've likely made the Soul Stone fight back even more
I assumed that much like A1, when Thor lit Tony up with lightning and powered his suit, that Tony's suit had the ability to absorb energy at least to some degree. Hulk, both had to contend with the stones which radiated gamma radiation (we don't know if it had other effects on gamma radiation) and his bodies natural ability to absorb it which may have been to potent or plentiful but the lesser materials Tony used to create the gauntlet. Thanos didn't go to Walmart for the gauntlet he went to etrei to forge it. It was literally made from the best metal in existence
Professor hulk implied he tried to do things like bring Natasha back but all we saw was a quick snap and not the internal and/or spiritual idea and action he was trying to will the stones to perform. Cinematically it was an event that happened off camera. Similar to Thors visions in age of Ultron... It happened in his head
Tony's sacrifice to the Soul Stone was his life.
I really like the two different sets of theories that were just mentioned about the (SOUL STONE).
That's genius. Really well thought.
They do in comics! Soul stone is known to have a will of it’s own. Plus the cosmic cube is known to develop isn’t own personality. Often reflecting it’s creator personality and subconscious.
My idea is that the Infinity Stones allowed Tony to "snap" so easily...was to undo what Thanos had done. Which, I think, was all in a predetermined timeline. Both were going to happen when they NEEDED to happen and Professor Hulk trying to "snap" , was at the incorrect time during the timeline.
Surely it’s because the infinity gauntlet was created purely to wield the stones whereas the endgame gauntlet is basically just a big iron man hand so it’s not got the same capabilities
Yeah I personally believe that. As clever as Tony Stark is, he is still out of his depth trying to quickly create a gauntlet that is based off the design of something he knows little about.
I think the idea is that the soul stone was hidden in Vormir with the intent of having a sacrifice to *obtain* it but after it’s been gained through a sacrifice it can be used as much as you want and by whomever wields it. The sacrifice is only needed if it’s placed back on Vormir
My take on the situation is that because the stones are all from different time periods, they are actively fighting back in being used because they're not being used in their respective timeline/reality. It was fine with Infinity War, since they all existed in the same place, but with Endgame they're not where they're supposed to be and the stones are communicating with themselves and noticing an anomaly in where they are
I think using the Soul Stone requires the use/control of emotions to wield its power. I think it resisted due to the Split Personality (siamese twin souls) between Banner and Hulk. Banner loved Natasha, and would have sacrificed himself if Hulk would’ve allowed him so. It is Hulk himself that was pushing (or pushed by) the Soul Stone. Hulk doesn’t care about people and wants to be left alone, it’s kind of hard to convince someone like that to save half of the Universe by bringing people back. Entering the Soul Stone probably requires peace in the soul, no regrets.
i always took it as that hulk was taking way more energy by snaping them back then it would taking them away
Wow... What a mind blowing theory! I like it!
Great videos man. Please try and talk a little bit louder? It’s far too quite even with the volume maxed
that does make sense, perhaps a possibility for a future what if episode would have clint perform the snap...
> Laying down on the wire
That's a good one
It was because at most the Gauntlet made by Stark was only Vibrianium, where the Gauntlet made by Etri for Thanos was Uru Metal and was capable of absorbing far more energy.
I think that Tony got time in the soul world since he knew he wouldn't of been able to take the power of the stones to survive, he sacrificed himself on the spot, hulk said before he did the snap that he'll be "Able to take it" he knew he'd survive either way where as Tony didn't.
Actually, one of the writers for Endgame said that Hulk *did* go to the Soul Stone world -- and met Bruce Banner. They had written a script for it but never filmed if, if I recall.
I just thought that hulk and iron man endured worse injuries than thanos because the stark gauntlet wasn’t built as well as the gauntlet from infinity war. You know, being forged from a star apparently
If that is the case that the soul stone was literally actively fighting him from snapping, that just makes his feat even greater.
Granted he tried to bend the rules and bring back Natasha, but that also just validates his feat even further.
I see it as the snap that “wasn’t” supposed to happen. Hulk never traveled to vormir therefore doesn’t understand how important the sacrifice of the soul stone is.
It’s sad that hulks snap isn’t looked at enough. He not only brought back everyone that was dusted, literally HALF THE UNIVERSE, but that he fought in the battle right after, AND holding up avengers compound on his back for a time (a reference to him holding up a mountain in secret wars)