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You talk way too slow and it sounds like you’re trying to deep throat the microphone! Have to mute the videos and use the captions!

ironically to all this, although called an "NX" class star ship on "Enterprise" - That Enterprise, being the first of her class was actually.. an "Enterprise Class". Yes, I know the video excludes Enterprise (series) from the canon of consideration.. but I couldn't resist mentioning this.

For the simulator, maybe it's "Enterprise Class" because it is a class set on the Enterprise. Other simulators could easily be "Hornet Class" "Reliant Class" "Yorktown Class" "Starbase Class".

I think it was EC Henry that did the math, and if I recall correctly, if every one was placed on the hull, they would have 824sq meters per person of space if spread evenly.

40 ships were destroyed. Unfortunately a civilian ship was caught up in the battle and was destroyed.

According to the book, the centrifuge was the level between flight deck and the hangar.

They used the ship in Star Trek TNG to bridge the gap between excelsior and galaxy class ships

I seem to remember the novelisation for TMP had Kirk tell Scotty to work on designing a bypass for the phaser-warp interlink as he felt it was bloody stupid to have an obvious weakness for enemies to aim for in the ships defensive capabilities…

The video we all needed but were afraid to ask...

Similar to how the Vengeance in Into Darkness was supposed to be stupid large and yet Deck 13 is in pretty much the same spot as what you're discussing.

could also be various length between decks for machinery.

Reliant has the FH-10 phaser and the Enterprise Refit has the FH-11. The FH-10 has only 70% of the damage output of the FH-11. The Enterprise, lake ocean going naval vessels is designed to withstand a volley of weapons equal in strength to its own weapons. Even though the Enterprise's shields were down, the Reliant's FH-10s did not have the punch that was needed to cause more damage when doing a broadside like was done. Now if the Reliant had down a head on to pass below the Enterprise, all six of the upper saucer FH-10s would have been in arc thus doing a significant increase in damage.

Yeah ... They ran out of money to construct a new model and only had two options. Rename the Excelsior or add an A on the Enterprise. Guess which one was cheaper.

There's a nice cutout of the front of Discovery by Oliver Rennart showing the habitation wheel with the axis pointing to the front of the ship. This has been posted by @ scifiart on BlueSky

A possibility could also be that Kirk did what was needed to be done on Deck 15 but then needed to go to some other deck further down to finish the plan and the deck where He was when the Energy Ribbon hit was where he was triggering the planned fake torpedo launching.

haaaaaaaaaaaa Red Dwarf ref :D

@3:58 “All right, hold the image - hold!” I paused it at that timestamp and just ball-parked 15 decks to where Deck 15 would be, according to Generations. Assuming lines of lights are windows. With roughly 6 decks in the saucer, 4 decks in the neck then 5 decks down from the neck. 🤷🏻‍♂️ I can’t account for there being 34 decks..

Misprounced Mandragora ! And it’s the control room.

Kirk's line about there being 12 ships was in the first season. That just means there were 12 at that time. That line no longer applies after that episode, because they could just say more were built. Despite lines about the class already being 40 years old, it doesn't seem like that, it seems like the Constitution was the flagship class during TOS, and if the class was 40 years old, why were there so few originally? They refit them for the movies, but they were still the same ships. Perhaps there were a lot of even older ships in the fleet at that time that they were waiting to retire before building more. Or maybe the Constitution was expensive to build. I think the real reason is, when TOS was written, Starfleet was assumed to be a lot smaller, since very little about the Federation had even been thought of yet. The thing I find odd is how there don't seem to be any left at all by the time of TNG. It's almost like the Constitution and Refit Constitution were mothballed almost immediately after the Excelsior class was ready. I guess it was a different time...TNG starts after a long period of peace, but during the TOS era conflicts were much more common, so I guess it makes sense that new ships would've developed faster. Then when there was peace with the Klingons after ST6, there wasn't as much of a need to rapidly develop new ships anymore.

This ship was simply renamed

now that you say it: compared to the Engine Room in First Contact (Movie not the Series) the Galaxy Class one is really small and only the one of the Romulan Warbird ones are worse, but good that Star Trek Online fixed that point since they also thought that

Who sez turbolifts only move strictly vertical? Unlike the morons who made Alien Romulus claim, you do not need cables in space elevators. You don't need cables in any elevators, except maybe as a backup. Elevators with L shaped shafts, elevators powered by linear motors, all of that already exists today.

Ah The Legend of The Pegasus The First Palestinian Survey Vessel To Return To Earth Since The Original Nakba of 1791

Counting Decks aside, what’s always bugged me was the scale of the deflector control room and the depth that a panel in the scene falls too to suggesting that Kirk better not lose his footing or suffer a fall at a great heights, compared to the scale of the hole that the three are standing in afterward. There is some Tardis physics happening here. Movie magic breaking the magic of disbelief. 4:14

As Arshia Once Said "navigating space is like navigating the ocean while blindfolded"

There are dimensional problems with many 'canon' ships. Communication is obviously another drain on the always limited budget

Another solution: the main deflector room is very large and cavernous, and covers the front end of several decks. So Admiral Kirk may have actually been on deck 15, in the deflector room, but was working above the hole where the lightning strike hit, and above the catwalk where we see the three men looking out from the inside. So, when the ship was struck, before the emergency force field activated, he could've been sucked downward and then out of the hole by the vacuum of space.

The writers don't know much about starships and the visuals were done afterwards. It's just a movie for entertainment, not real science.

The scale of the Excelsior class always bothered me. It feels like the ship was always intended to be much, much larger than the official dimensions.

while scimming through the comments and people making their good points ... i still exclude them for a moment: Lower Decks implements the talking Points here, Officers have nice Cabins, the Captain a large Office while the Crew sleeps on the Corridor.

The engineering decks could be non-standard size.

Decks spacing are different than the evenly space floors of an apartment building…. The dorsal side of a saucer section and even some of the ventral side are fairly evenly spaced given that the bull of these spaces are given over to compartments for the “hotel” needs of the ship (hotel load is a term used in ship operation to describe the energy and other resources required for the livelihood of its occupants ) but once you get into the ventral side and especially the engineering hull you start to have compartments much taller than the minimal 3 meters required for crew quarters etc … in these compartment and decks spaces above the main floor get a alpha/beta/delta/gamma designation … A compartment like shuttlebay or cargo storage, engineering that has a catwalk area looking down is an alpha deck. Voids with additional levels then have beta , delta and gamma decks with the main floor have a prime suffix or no suffix. These secondary decks air designated going highest to lowest with prime always being the lowest deck

Another solution, there are the number of decks as described. However, their are also secondary/maintenance/equipment decks or large array of equipment between the levels mea int that deck height is not universal. With some areas being maintenance sections, non-liveable areas, or deterurium storage tanks.

I noticed the change of the wording too: thinking the newest TARDIS got stingy, responding to urgent calls only in white lettering on a dark field, while the black lettering in NewWho promises to "respond to ALL calls"...😅 ... but why should the Doctor help you with a stuck lid on jar of pickled onions ? - help yourself, unless you need a miracle cure 😅

I think the gray stripe signified where the metal rod went up through the wooden model that they used to film, because it was the center of mass

OMG the music in the background made it unwatchable Gee z

Solution? It's fiction.

The answer is Oops Ronald D. Moore should have had Okuda look over the script more closely.

Because the Galaxy class was designed before the first episode obviously. So some product designers had to come up with ideas that might have been useful, but never got used by the Production, like the lifeboats of most ships on this planet, duh! The yacht would have been much too expensive probably and a matte painting not very flrxible when filming.

Found these blueprints online that seem to match up with deflector control being on deck 15. Ship dimensions align with what's shared in this video as well. In summary, the Excelsior class looks bigger than it is on screen, but is a similar height to the refit enterprise. www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/blueprints/jac-enterprise-b-heavy-cruiser/enterprise-b-1.jpg

I'm so glad you ended on "it's not real, so it doesn't have to make sense." It's amazing to me how well thought out most of the design and technology is in Star Trek, even though it doesn't have to be. If actual engineers had designed an actual ship, they would have figured out ways to fix these problems, like making the dorsal thicker, etc. These were designers making sets and props for movies and tv. It's ok that every single piece doesn't fit perfectly.

Most of the engineers would be coming onboard on Tuesday, that's why they didn't have anybody to spare to go to deck 15.

Yes we can solve it! The ship isn't real.

For me, I disregard Generations from canon. The B is a nice design but everything else of the movie was an insult to the audience.

The easy answer is the designers, writers didn't know what they were doing, taking random numbers out of the air like is common. They want the ships to feel much bigger than the numbers they have decided for quite evidently in FX shots. There is visual evidence for a 1200+ m long Enterprise B. Intuitively, I felt in Star Trek 3 that the Excelsior's saucer is about as wide as the Empire State Building is tall, ~440 m. In ST IV we see a small shuttle that's slightly higher than 3 m high pass in front of the saucer and it looks like the saucer's decks are at least as high. And the saucer's width is about 130 times the deck-deck height, the ship's length is 2.55x the saucer's width. In the beginning of Generations the ship looks even larger. In the shot next to the space station the station has tall decks, perhaps 5 m tall to have those ceilings. And you can see the saucer's decks are not much less than that. This gives a saucer width of ~500 m which is the highest I have seen but feels reasonable based on what is shown on screen. Enterprise A is imo 600+. m, perhaps 700 m. I felt that its saucer is about as wide as the Eiffel tower is tall. In ST3 we see a small shuttle of the same type pass in front of it, from which you get about a 600 m long ship. Now the shuttle passes some distance in front so this appears to be a minimum. People evidently don't have a sense of scale. When I see renders of the ships with the "correct" sizes they look way too small. Like in Star Wreck: in the pirkinning. Also inconsistencies in the VFX, like the VGer walk it seems like the saucer cannot fit full-height decks. Also deck numbers I don't put much faith in.

given the Histories that befell the Oberth Ships: i doubt they had a Damage Controll Console since it was just to redundant

The empty blackness of space is occluding starts, giving a weird cavern effect to the ship flybys, couldn't unsee it once i noticed it XD

The engineering staff?......doesn't arrive until Tuesday.

There's no decks in the neck

overthinking a made up problem for something that doesn't exist, written by people who don't care about continuity or technical specifications and just use random jargon that sounds cool. I dare you to try and make sense of the JJ enterprise.