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This was a thoughtful, careful discussion of a challenging issue: well done to both discussants. That said, I wondered if the distinction between 'umwelt' and 'uber-umwelt' was not always handled with the utmost rigour through the course of the conversation--which is to say that sometimes the concepts appeared to bleed into each other. As I understand them, 'umwelt' and 'uber-umwelt' are non-intersecting, incommensurable spheres: the 'umwelt' is that combination of active and passive synthesis by which a meaningful 'world' (or 'environment') is construed by an organism, as the (sensory) manifold is organized according to its unique categories, schemata, &c. The 'uber-umwelt,' by contrast, is in the family of Kant's 'noumenal' sphere: it can be formally posited or transcendentally deduced--but of its determinate content, one must pass over in silence. As Spinoza said, even before Kant: "If they say that there are infinitely many things which we cannot perceive, I reply that we cannot reach them by any thought" (Ethics, ed. Curley, IIP49S). Hence the example of the tick: its 'umwelt' is construed (on this model) on the threefold sensory-perceptual bases of surface tension, heat, and butyric acid. All other sensory-perceptual elements fall under into 'uber-umwelt'--to which it is, by definition, agnostic: a tick is blind to colour, and cannot even conceive of it. A 'hyperobject' is what one might call a 'dual-citizenship entity': for any given organism, part of the object is phenomenal to the 'umwelt,' while other part(s) of the object are concealed in its 'uber-umwelt.' (The usage is obviously from that coined by Timothy Morton, but there are obvious points of contact). Here the question is how many objects are hyperobjects (presumably all), what proportion of their residence is in the field of an organism's 'umwelt' (disclosure) and what proportion in its 'uber-umwelt' (concealment), and how one would know. But these questions too, it appears, are consigned to skepticism or agnosticism. This feature is a double-edged sword: the 'uber-umwelt' (and the UUTH) cannot be falsified (unlike the ETH, as noted), but nor can it be verified. I therefore query those parts of the discussion that seemed to suggest that certain domains of manifold, or their phenomena, cross from 'uber-umwelt' into 'umwelt.' To these, I wish to say: the 'uber-umwelt' is excluded, by definition. If it is possible for certain phenomena (appearances) to exist in a liminal or marginal space in an organism's 'umwelt,' this fact might indeed account for UAPs and other paranormal experiences--but this would then be an occurrence as old as consciousness itself, and does not explain the relatively new UFO/UAP scenario, unless one invokes human techno-scientific provocations in the ether &/or the extensions of the human sensory apparatus by way of advances in instrumental science, as discussed--as well as various anthropological, psychological, and sociological factors. These latter considerations obviously allow for the same hyperobject to appear in different ways over time, as also discussed--now as a religious saint, now as a satyr, now as an alien or UFO. It seems to me that the relative uniqueness and rarity of these sensory-perceptual events might make better neuropsychological sense of their paranormal character, than their ostensibly liminal 'umwelt'/'uber-umwelt' status--i.e., experiences for which the human mind (whether individually or collectively) lacks a coherent perceptual-conceptual framework. Unfortunately, this explanation would also render them forever difficult to study rigorously--unless there are subjective or objective factors which might make them more frequent, more perspicuous, or of a clearer or different phenomenal character (open possibilities, in my opinion). I'd be interested to hear your comments. Thank you-- Cameron

Thank you both. Great interview

Would be nice to see Matt interviewed by the rabbithole podcast

It’s a great interview, go on with your work. Thank you.

Solve et Coagula

Great show. FYI, Fatima was centered around the visions of three peasant girls who encountered a female being. The "miracle of the Sun" was only one part of it.

I love love his story I remember him from Netflix story and have gone back and just watched him tell his story.

I communicated with Matt a couple of years ago. He was such a helpful, down-to-earth person. I bought and read his book, which was very influential to me. Thank you, Matt.

This is a psychological reality made physical. That opens your portal 👍

Enjoyed that. I had a ufo experience of my own in March and find many parallels in this discussion. What shocked me most was this 38:30 - the overtly biblical nature of the symbolism. I'm not at all religious! There was a purpose to the encounter, insights gained, a healing that followed. I suspect that what I encountered was another part, future part of higher part, of my own consciousness. But whatever, it was a very kind intervention, and I am very grateful.

Thanks, this had meaning for me. Some of what was said was in line with what I suspected,as far as religion and this phenomenon. I think the uap trail will windup the very thing the religion has been trying to say.

My personal opinion is if you are having sexual (entity) encounters- that it may be demonic-or entities that may not have your best interest at heart-they can slide into this experience if you are not careful--still great conversation-lots of insights to explore😇

It's simple. This is a simulation of some kind. There is no physical. It's an illusion. Intentionally hidden for some reason

I can’t put my finger on it, but I never bought into this guy’s stories after the main incident. Like he’s just trying to ride the wave of fame of the 2004 story. Just my opinion.

Maybe I missed it, but why does Matthew’s screen name say “Matthew Matlaga”? And not Matthew Roberts?

I read the book a few weeks ago and was intrigued with Matt’s encounters, i actually discovered a lot about mythology I knew nothing about. One has to be very open minded to this subject, I delved into this phenomena 5 years ago and was fascinated by it, at first it was the nuts n bolts and then it becomes more conscious related more spiritual, science now suggests the universe is conscious and humans have that ability to connect if we practice meditation. It’s a great read and makes you think about us as human beings and what we are etc. 🫶🏼❤️

Excellent examination. Love to see Jeff Kripal unpack this "I could see something now" "So that is why I describe why they show up in physical form, to let us know that thats real and to kind of beckon us into this transformation that they put you through" MB

"the question becomes will I or won't I try to figure out what this is" regarding why UAPs show up in physical form.

I've already started some of these steps--but I did not know, or realize, that I was on the right track. I purchased the book-which happened to be on sale

Thanks! Always good to hear from Matt

Waking life is just a more consistent dream. I have found Tom Campbell to be the best teacher for me in this regard.

this was very eye opening

Sounds like jailbird syndrome

Seriously, what are y'all talking about?

Is there a discussion going on here?? If so, about what? I'm an amateur UAP researcher, pretty well up-to-date.. what, if anything, are you bringing to the conversation that hasn't been worn out by everyone else?

Trying to look up 'Initiated' Not finding it

As much as you broadcast, you should invest in some good sound equipment. I'd listen to you more if your voice were transmitted with better quality.

Oh yea I saw an episode of Seinfeld about this last week on ESPN 2 while I was getting my neck tattoo touched up behind the Arby's in Burbank. 👍

Finally, I understand how 5g did 9/11!

Big sur incident. A test ICBM rocket at the second stage was observed to be interfered by a flying disc in the upper atmosphere. The disc "appeared" and hovered around the test warhead. It then fired 5 visible beams , which altered the warheads trajectory before "disappearing". That's a clear sign that NHI (or a faction of them) have a high probability of ACTING to preserve the habitability of their "domain". As to why they don't inhabit other planets, maybe they do and we are not aware either based on limitations of our detection methods, limitations of open source data (classified national security information), and low observability of the phenomenon

A line from a past TV commercial rings exceptionally true here: "If we don't tell you; who will?" This is real journalism in action!

Really great discussion. I have previously thought about the ufo phenomenon via the framework of phenomenology, so I’m delighted that a professional philosopher has already made this connection.

Dr. Madden does it again!! Amazing discussion!!

Fantastic discussion !

Kind of looks like a buffer shaved headed Dave Rubin. And that's not a bad thing.

Interesting. And a good addition to Sol Foundation.

Bernardo is always the only one who makes sense. The people asking the questions are not thinking them through very well. Bernardo read my mind and answered them for me. Thanks Bernardo

I had to get his book from the UK. I couldn't find it in America. I read the introduction and it seems quite good so far.

UAPs are what inter dimensional spiritual light beings look like, across our dissociative boundary. Ps. If Al Gore was right, we’d be dead by now.

A large amount over 70+ years of evidence pointing to interstellar species visiting this planet, and this "blue sky" thinker just dismisses all that to chase a prior Earth civilisation without any real evidence. The current whistle-blowers are those people working on non-human biologics and technology, on UAP craft the which are tracked coming in and out of our atmosphere by NORAD. We should be discussing that. Actual facts and eyewitness descriptions which demonstrate characteristics of interstellar craft as many reseachers have agreed. He is pushing a hypothesis which even he says there is "no positive evidence". Whereas, there are beings which even they themselves tell us they are from other star systems! I'm sorry I cannot waste my time on this guys lack of understanding of all the historical cases and the various non-human species which are visiting this planet. He is like a disinfo agent trying to muddy the water and distract from the information we do have.

I have degrees in analytic Philosophy and creative writing. The joke is always “I have a philosophy degree, therefore I’m a stay at home parent.” I can’t tell you how nice it is to hear from someone else with a similar educational background talking about UAP etc. AI and UAP are really the only frontiers left for philophers to delve since they don’t let us play with super colliders. Great interview.

People like Samantha are going to suffer from that ontological shock much worse than others when she finds out that Climate change and every other cultish mindset she's been psy opp'd into adopting as her identity was all for nothing

As physical beings from planet earth we have more bacteria and viruses than our own cells. If we tried to move out to space we probably couldn't have children that would thrive for lack of acquiring those bacteria and viruses. If they're from here originally they probably need to come here to gestate and birth in order to acquire their biome.

So they just assume they can't have technology to travel across interstellar distances

Did he just explain in a way why subatomic particles clearly react to observation? Minutes 51-58, with a bit of the spooky action at a distance

Kevin knuth is the best

Great presentation and discussion. While there were many points of contention, one thing is clear: there's no evidence that human capacity for conceptual thinking was dormant for 150,000 years. This is pure speculation based on a lack of archaeological evidence. As we all (should) know, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. The further back we go, the less likely it is that such evidence would have survived erosion and geological events. Plus, conceptual thinking and language don't necessarily leave any reliably identifiable physical evidence in the first place.

Timestamps would be helpful

Everytime Bernardo talks about geopolitics he suddenly looks absolutely dumb and simplistic.