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I still wouldn't kick her out of bed if I woke up next to her 😅

Jack didn't deserve to die by the players hand, Jack didn't deserve to die by the hand of the Firehawk... Jack was a pathetic, weak little man, a betrayer... and the one he betrayed more than anyone else deserved to kill him.... Should have went like this. "Mordicai, Brick, did you bring him?", "Sure did Lil! There ya go little buddy.", "Thanks Brick! HEY MINION, you beat Jack. I knew you had it in you! Now if you don't mind, I got a bit of business to discus with him.... Soooo Jack, would you happen to know the difference between Choking... And Strangling?" And we get to watch him sob and gag as his life is choked out of him by two little clamps, killed by the butt of the joke character of the Series. :P

I don't think I ever actually liked lilith even when she was all I played in borderlands 1 when it came out

For me Lilith, the crimson raiders and Moxxi mainly too are hypocrites Lilith had a chance to kill jack before he could do significant damage but didnt she was a driving factor in his vendetta against them and she just like the rest of the vault hunters in all the borderlands games are mass murderers shes too overhyped. Moxxi on the other hand is not as bad but bad regardless she says in the pre sequel " underneath that smile and hero complex, theres something seriously wrong with you" but Moxxi herself has ran a killing game in almost all the borderlands games bl2 with the underdome in bl1 the fridge and the hyperion slaughter in bl2 as well their all just hypocrites

Ah crap, now that I think about it, is this the reason why in the live action movie Roland is Kevin Hart? Just to give Lilith more of a spot light that feels more undeserved due to fumbled writing. The pre showing audience has already said how terrible it is so that doesn't sound good at all given the evidence the video has shown

Thanks algorithm for recommending me a game that ive heard of once and never ever played it, thanks.

She is littaraly the protagonist of Borderlands 3. There are 4 playable characters. But Lilith is the protagonist. Pulling off not having the player be the main character is incredibly difficult. And Borderlands 3 failed miserably. But note that I said incredibly difficult not impossible. Yuna is the main character of Final Fantasy X. But she is not the perspective the player views the game from. Yet the story is legitimately improved by not being the main character in that story. You still matter. And your presence helps Yuna tern her tragic story into a bitter sweet one. But that is not how Borderlands 3 does things. In Borderlands 3 Lilith makes every single meaningful decision throughout the story. And you may as well be a RTS unit she is ordering around from on high. Then she gets to save the day at the end while you are completely helpless. Its bad. REALLY BAD!

I personally already disliked her in BL2. Because like why the duck, did she go to the Angel chamber, when Roland told her not to. Not only this resulted in to giving Handsome Jack a Siren, it also might be the reason why Roland is killed. Otherwise i agree with everything else. And also why did the she thought, making Ava the leader would be good idea. I don't hate Ava as much as the others, so it's nothing really that much personal. But why she didn't give the role to 1stly someone who is an adult and knows stuff. Someone who's powerful in case someone attacks them. And also someone who has been with Lilith for a long time. And I think Tannis would have been perfect candidate. She's probably one of the smartest characters in series, she knows most of the people on Sanctuary 3 for a long time and she's a Siren, so she is also I believe quite powerful.

I remember someone else pointing out that the inaccuracies between games COULD BE due to the fact that each game is told via the perspective of different people at the start Marcus narrates BL1 to an orphan Athena narrates Pre Sequel to Tony Tina, Pickle, Brick and Mordecai BL2 is narrated by the orphan (to Marcus) ..... I still haven't played BL3 yet But yeah, that's the theory that comforts me whenever I get upset about each game just entirely losing the plot from one to the other

The only redeeming feature to Lilith is kneeling down behind her...

Its just politics man... honestly thats it... shes a women and thay want to inflate her role.

But milf tho

Hellfire literally picked to have Lilith kill Jack in a play through 🤭

Why they can't just go with taping with eridium makes you lose empathy or some other evil crap. Also they really didn't do anything with the "I lost powers" trobe. Many ways home BL3 Story is a mess. There is like dozan good ideas that were scrapped from Story boards.

Bro waited years to say this

I swear if this is a visual glitch on TH-cam's part. This is gonna be so awkward. And if so, I'm sorry, Cashew

Am I not allowed to say a famous person's name? Why is my other comment being deleted?

For me Lilith is just Lilith. I can't say anything about BL1 Lilith, I've never played her. BL2 Lilith is actually useless, the only useful thing she did was for Jack, charging the Vault key. We don't talk about BL3 Lilith, you know what screw that, I've just realised, no one ever questioned her command or Judgement. Ava practically screamed at her to figure out exactly what she is but that wasn't really questioning her command or Judgement. Thinking about it, I hate Lilith

She had a clear shot at the twins. Both of those idiots wandered out to sanctuary 3 by themselves. If the writing wasn't so god awful, the twins could've easily fell.

I don't know what happened to my other comment, but I'm gonna try this again. And hopefully I don't have almost 2 of the same comments.

Join the club. I'm deadass praying she appears very late in BL4. Oh and the guardian from TPS does show up again in one of BL3's DLC I think.

1/2 I 100% agree, especially when they try to give her the credit for killing handsome Jack. When we or the previous vault huters of borderlands, 2 were the ones who did most of the work. Even if they wanna run with that, he was still practically dead.

Lilith sticking around to kill Jack getting jumped by 3-6 vault hunters, one of which soloed New Haven with her and the other 3 original VHs there

I'm quite happy to see someone say why they hate Lilith and critique her character. She is absolutely my least favorite character in the entire franchise, and it's largely for the same reason that you state: the later games put Lilith up on a pedestal and hail her as a hero; when more like Lilith is no better than any other character within the franchise. Something that I love about Borderlands and its characters is its twisted sense of morality, like how good things can come from bad actions or good intentions can bring about bad actions ("the road to hell is paved with good intentions"). It can be complicated to fully judge a character as a "villain" or "hero" because everyone is a little fucked up and morally ambiguous in this universe. Putting Lilith in such a high esteem defeats this core aspect of Borderlands and its characters and its universe to me, and that has always bothered me. I honestly want to compare what Gearbox is doing to Lilith to how a large portion of the fanbase believes that Handsome Jack is actually a hero. I think the argument that Handsome Jack is actually the hero is bull and does a large disservice to the complexity of his character, and frankly Gearbox making Lilith a hero seems like the exact same problem to me. Don't mistake what I'm saying, for clarity I'm not saying that Lilith is a tyrannical megalomaniac like Handsome Jack, but she isn't a total saint either. Writing her as one takes away a lot of possible nuance for her character. I have to say that it also doesn't help that the way in which Gearbox likes to idolize Lilith is very forced. I really feel like an essential aspect of Borderlands' character writing and spirit was lost when Lilith was written to be the main protagonist.

Even the cut scene between her and Ava wouldnt have helped Lilith's character arc at all. "I feel insecure about living up to Roland's role as leader" is just NOT how she should feel. She should feel GUILTY. She set off the chain reaction that led to Roland dying. New Lilith is a fucking tyrant with convenient amnesia.

Lilith was cool until GearBox decided to make her dumb with her choices I'm still mad about my baby girl Maya died in BL3 I'm sure she could have taken Lilith's place if she praced more on her powers

I was cool with her until Roland died because she didn't listen and then became the leader....like whaaa???

Things Lilith can't say 1. Your name Thanks for watching

For me, lilith has always been a shit character. She literally was a crackhead in borderlands 2 and was pretty much the main reason Roland died and jack charged the key. Never liked her, and never will.

I love the Persona Music! Freaking amazing music. Persona go burr! For the reference 1:29 is the time stamp.

He preaches nothing but truth!

"time to talk to lilith time to talk to lilith! aboard sanctuary III on the other end of the ship!" - oboeshoesgames

Same I'd never liked her.

Nomad all the way!!! Great work ❤

you forgot about Gearbox as a weapon manufacturer 😉

Technically, SnS Munitions is not about high mags alone, they are also about high tech for guns. Unlike Bandits and so on.

Ballsack

Another good CoV AR is the NoPewPew. It's effectively an automatic minigun/shotgun hybrid that makes enemies explode on kill. THAT THING IS NUTS. Also, why the hell are all of CoV's Legendary ARs fire elemental? You ever noticed that trend? It's weird.

Superb video. I really loved it

Excellent video as usual, Cashew. I enjoyed the second part of possible BL4 vault hunters I'd love it if you did another BL4 Vault Hunters video