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Cool, yes its a bit noisy, I'll probably get a quiter fan and water cooler for it at some point.

Cool, thanks! I have a ti4200 and thought about it but went with the xt for dx9. I also think it runs cooler than the ti, dont really want to cut holes and will wtch the temps, but can certainly see why people did.

Win 98 was a pain, took a good few hours of trying to get it all stable.

@@66mhzbrain i remember for me it would lock up or blue screen during the install

Was just the gia drivers I had trouble with. Win 98 itself went on ok. Though I used a different hdd to the one it came with and repartitioned it etc.

I'm same, Love them. Although painful to work on. Ive just had one mb go, so installed a mini itx I had lying around the pc graveyard . Works well and all lines up at rear. If anyone interested its an asrock b85m-itx mb. Basically a straight swap. Case is a z77r50, psu 500w. My next experiment will be a ryzen mb, when one becomes available cheaply enough.

I was always under the impression they used some kind of alcohol solution.

@@jonchapman6821 In some cases, they might, the manufacturer can alter the characteristics of the pipe by what fluid is used. Water is the most common for room temperature applications, but if you need cooling to extend down to lower temperatures, alcohols or ammonia may be used. Changing the internal pressure of the pipe can also be used to tune the operating range. For more specialized applications, other fluids are used, if you need to cool something 1000 °C, you will likely be using a molten metal. For work with really cold stuff, you might use a liquefied gas like nitrogen or helium.

@@jonchapman6821 Oh, Looks like my reply disappeared, so I guess I'll try again. For room temperature cooling, water is the most common, but heat pipes can use a range of other liquids depending on what the application is, so some do use ethanol or methanol if it needs to provide cooling at lower temperatures than what water would work for.

@@Ts6451 Interesting, thanks for the info 👍🏻

I never seen 2GB DDR1 stick, unless we talking about ECC ram, but ofc that's whole another ball game 😅

The Shuttle web site is great and lists all supported cpu’s as well as graphics cards.

@@davidp4456 Yeah, with a lot of 754 boards you can work around a lack of official support for the mobile chips, but it's nice to just have it from the manufacturer.

Cool, I'll be looking for a cpu upgrade soon

128KB L2 cache to 1MB L2 cache would be a massive improvement.

I’ve rebuilt 7 of these over the last couple of years. All ‘faulty’ but the caps have always been good.

Cool, I'll keep an eye out for them. Caps look ok.

Not sure, It sounded like both when I did it. It was recorded in mono

Fiddly but cool. Im glad I got one. Yes they will keep me busy😁

I have one AOpen XC Cube for socket 478 and AGP. Also I do own AMD motherboard version with backplate for that case, but I need to refresh it with some new caps 🦾

Touch screen! That sounds pretty cool😁

Haha, yes I have a few different ones as well and I too yearn for a maxx, but yes way too expensive to justify. I'll keep putting the lottery on😁, maybe one day I'll get lucky.

@66mhzbrain yeah, that's the best we can do, I recently got my hands on Voodoo 4, made an offer, and it was accepted, still expensive, but waaaaay cheaper than other listings.

Cool, I got a voodoo 4 cheap a while back. Nice when it happens😁

It should be a cool thing😁

I plan to

Nice😁 I knew nothing about these machines until I got this, read about the memory wait state issues on this one and the 50z replacing it. They components must be decent as this one booted straight in too. Hoping a recap, and clean gets the floppy drive working again.

Thankyou, yes it was worth it, an interesting machine tonexplore!

Indeed😁

Aww, thats harsh. I just bought an rx7900xt too🙄 But historically not always true. And if I could see the future probabably not always true either.

Yes, I will probably do that at some point when I next get it out. Would have then but didn't have a spare ssd at the time, need the speed😁

I dont remember exactly. It was just a cheap case from ebuyer or somewhere

No, it was. Nos from back in the day.

@@66mhzbrainlovely find

Haha, yes it came off with the cooler, I'll glue it back on

It is a mystery, seemed like they lost the plot a bit towards the end😔

Cool thanks! I now know😁, might be worth doing a vid an digging into how glide stacked up against d3d in more detail.

Thankyou! yes its been a busy summer hope to get back to one every week or 2 from now😁

Haha, I did clean it several times with ipa but its ingrained with thermal paste. At least if I want to unlock it I can see where😁

3dfx never implemented agp texturing meaning there was barely a difference between their agp and pci versions of their cards. Since the competition was using agp properly, yes, in this case I think it's fair.

@@66mhzbrainThe Voodoo4 4500 AGP ist about 20% faster than the 4500 PCI version in Quake 3 team arena (640x480x16). There is a Test section on the main page of the voodooalert forum where you can see the results. The PCI bus runs with 33MHz and the AGP bus with 66MHz. AGP Voodoo cards are always faster than the PCI versions, also depending on the game, resolution and texture sizes, where the PCI bus is a bootleneck. 66MHz PCI server mainboards should give the same performance as the AGP version.

Interesting. As it is physically different i.e. way more colors and I think only 32 bit has transparency. Cant say I've ever noticed an obvious difference. I might have to take a closer look.

If I remember right, it's just that it's a perception thing. The human eye can't distinguish the amount of color with 32 bit compared to 16. And these early 3D cards needed all the help they could get. Oh, and 32 bit color is really 24 bit.

It might be fun to take a look, maybe even make a short vid with findings 😁

Yes 32-bit at that time in 1998-2000 was just a marketing hype used by Nvidia to make 3dfx cards look bad. The 16-bit image quality of the Banshee, Voodoo 3/4/5 (thanks to the 22-bit filter) was superior to that of the TNT1/2 and Geforce and actually closer to the 32-bit image of Nvidia cards. But at that time in 1998-2000 the TNT1/2 and Geforce 256 SDR and Geforce 2 MX were simply too slow for 32-bit gaming, they lost 30-70% performance when switching from 16 to 32 bit color, making most games unplayable at a decent resolution like 1024x768.

I second that! v8.05 (July2001) is probably the best driver to use in order to squeeze every drop of performance from a GF2(mx)... by a big margin actually... Haven't tried it on GF3 yet.

​@@B24Fox V8.05 was a game changer for me :) after that I decided that any graphics card that required anything newer would be best suited for Windows XP. When you think about it the GeForce 2 was the last true dedicated Windows 98 Graphics card as Windows XP was released not long after it. When Windows XP was released all the efforts and budget was put into it and Windows 98 was quickly forgotten about. so for me GeForce 3 and driver version 8.05 was the last effort put into windows 98 during the transition and the GeForce 2 was the truly last Windows 98 dedicated graphics card. This is of course my personally opinion :)

Yes it was a shame. Sound like a dream rig!

Right, but that's still better that the one that ran as two 16mb cards.

I believe its 128 bit with sdr memory. There was a ddr version that had a 64 bit bus as far as I know, which isnt saying much so I may be wrong🤔

@@66mhzbrain you can run hardware info to know :)

@@66mhzbrainYou can try hardware info to know if it's 64 or 128 bits :)

@alaricjeard269 i have everest home and it is 128 bit

Hi, yes its cool, just swapping it out with the p4 that used to be in ky test rig. I'll probabaly stick something faster in, an xp of some kind but just to be double sure I dont bottleneck anything for slightly faster cards.

unscrew the fan, turn it around and remove the label/sticker, put ONE drop of oil in the opening, press the sticker down again and give the fan a manual spin with your fingers. re-screw the fan in place and enjoy a much quieter fan. cheers mate

Mine was grinding when I got it. I doused it in contact cleaner and a drop of oil and it now seems ok. But when I have it in a case out of sight I dont trust it so use one of these - Noctua NF-A4x10 5V, Premium Quiet... www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00NEMGCIA?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

​@@ShrineOfLifeI think that I allready tryed that. It helps a bit.

​@@66mhzbrainWhat do you do with the 4 pin since the voodoo 4 is a 3 pin. Pwm is not connecting?

@@bonno666 you get a bunch of adapters with it, just ran it off a fan header on the mobo.

Thankyou! Nice to hear from someone who used one back in the day!

Yes think they are more for collecting now than using for reto gameplay as there are othe cards that cost way less and are faster, there are better options. Id love a 5500 but probabaly wont get one.

@@66mhzbrain I agree, both were unique opportunities so it was cheap, I wouldn't pay the price they usually ask for.

@@66mhzbrain Agreed, the 4 and 5s are ridiculous. I have a voodoo 3 in my retro PC just because it works with most of the older glide games and doesn't need a silly passthrough. The 3s aren't "cheap", but they're nowhere near the $800 the 5s sometimes sell for. Plus as you pointed out, for any games that need something "more modern" than the 3, there are faster and far cheaper options. I think the only real *need* for a voodoo is for some of the early DOS glide titles that require a 3dfx card. Anything modern enough to benefit from the power of a voodoo 5 will most likely work with other video adapters as well.

Same here. I used what I could get back then, and that wasnt much. Why its so nice to be able to get the things jow that I once could only read about in magazines 😁