I'm not surprised that the lower clocked Ti200 can match or beat the GF2 Ti in higher resolutions and/or 32-bit color, since it has what NVIDIA called Lightspeed Memory Architecture which greatly helped memory bandwidth efficiency. Essentially NV20 had multi-channel pipelined memory addressing, whereas NV15 had basically one large memory bus that could only do one operation at a time. It's an interesting match-up though because SGRAM has some pretty nifty performance enhancements for graphics operations, helping somewhat off-set the GF2 architecture's relative inefficiency. Fun video!
The Geforce 2 Ti was a 180-150mm die shrink, but it looks like the Kelvin architecture was always 150mm - and the Geforce 3 Ti200 was a sneaky underclock to use poorly binned chips
I really liked the GF 3 TI200 and GF 4 TI4200 back in the day because they had acceptable prices and could be overclocked to the speed of their bigger and more expensive brothers the TI500 and TI4600.
I wasn't a PC gamer at this point in time and the naming is pretty confusing. nVidia really love doing that don't they? Just naming cards whatever they feel like regardless of performance relative to their own cards.
Haha, yes it seems that way. Probabaly why I was always chose red or other until recently. Think the only nvidea I had back then was a riva 128 and that came with a dell.
Haha, yes it seems that way. Ive never run into this kind of thing before, I just went modern when I read they had to change the driver to get the most out of the gf 3, they did seem to work better as you go back.
Unless you oc a 1 core cpu the pc will run into a cpu bottleneck pretty fast. If you get nearly the same results no matter the resolution my guess would be that is what happening. But hard to know for sure without some overlay like riva tuner can give or a 2nd monitor for stats. Also in all my benchmarks the newest drivers always seem to perform worse, even with newer cards like geforce 6000 series, but can have added features like a temp reading etc.
@@66mhzbrain Yeah sure but the results speak for themselves and i have no way of judging how well your setup works, if you installed all the motherboard drivers and disabled all unneeded ports, what chipset it uses, if a sound card was involved etc. Just "Its a 2.6 ghz p4." isn't saying all that much. Im not saying its that, im just offering an idea. What you do with it is yours.
You never saw the Geforce 3 anywhere at the time, it was like it went Geforce 2 to 4 and that's why the 3 is so rare now. I just figured Nvidia was using most of the manufacturing capacity making them for the Xbox launch. However by 2002 it was all over for Nvidia with the 9700 Pro, that was the first card I bought with my own money and it took until the 8800GTX for Nvidia to claim the top spot again. That whole DX9 generation they were tailing.... In hindsight the 6800 had shader model 3.0 and that would give it longer legs, but in the day the X800 was faster and could do AA and HDR at the same time. So by the time 2006 came along and shader model 3 was required in some games, it didn't matter anyways as it was a couple years after the fact. Though I will say Oblivion looks a lot better with shader model 3 disabled, it gets rid of that nasty bloom. I really think the NVidia 9000 series to the 500 series was a dark time for GPUs, it wasn't until the 600 series where efficiency came back and Nvidia dominated ever since.
Cool. It all passed me by back then. I could only drool over magazine articles. Think I went from a voodoo banshee to a geforce 4 mx to a radeon x 300. I also dont remember anything about the geforce 3. I also missed loads of games as I was just into mmo's playing ultima online and star wars galaxies. I keep meaning to go back to the elder scrolls stuff since I enjoyed skyrim so much. Would be interesting to comoare how it runs with different period correct cards.
@@66mhzbrain I was a big Star Wars Galaxies, EQ and Planetside player back in the day! Star Wars Galaxies must have been rough on those cards, it ran really poorly on my 9700pro PC. 2003 was the year where I kicked consoles to the curb because I finally had a PC I made with my own money. Before that everything was prebuilds that my mum bought and it was always onboard graphics or the Geforce MX series... :/ Still I was able to play America's Army 2 and CS and Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield. I remember playing EQ for the first time in 2000 when the second expansion came out. My mate's brother bought the game and I asked to borrow it, little did we know that the cd keys weren't like other games where you can just reuse them lol. I only played for a year though until Luclin as I thought the expansion looked dumb and DAOC came out.
@@Vanu-i4o I betad galaxies, it was a lot of fun. I forgot about Planetside. That was the firat time I'd played anything like that, massive groups fight8n a war. I play world vs world in guild wars 2 now every jow and then similar vibe.
Cards I never got to see because my mum always bought prebuilt PCs with the horrible MX cards in. I still have never owned one to this day and judging by GPU prices I never will.
Haha, yes I was the same, I rocked my geforce 4mx that came in a dell for a long time. Yes prices are silly. German medeon branded cards still seem to go for reasonable prices. I got lucky, the 2 came in a non working machine for cheap and the 3 on fb marketplace for cheap. Fb marketplace/gumtree have been a gold mine for stuff at much cheaper prices than ebay etc.
@@66mhzbrain Actually I'm a complete liar, I have a 750ti.... But I do not really count it as I associate ti with the high end. I bought it when I made a micro build and it required to power cable. Such a great card, that and the AMD 480/580 were budget kings back in the day, they're still both great for PS4 era gaming today. Though I bought the 480 for VR use and I even played HL Alyx on it, how long that card lasted me, I put it in my work PC now so I can game lol. It's becoming harder and harder to find these old cards now, usually they're in PCs people throw in the bin. I'm guilty of that myself as my 9700 Pro I threw in the bin back in around 2010 as it wasn't even worth selling back then.
@@Vanu-i4o I dont like to think of the stuff I've thrown away. Ive just taken my 1080ti out of my main gaming rig but went with amd this time for a change.
I'm not surprised that the lower clocked Ti200 can match or beat the GF2 Ti in higher resolutions and/or 32-bit color, since it has what NVIDIA called Lightspeed Memory Architecture which greatly helped memory bandwidth efficiency. Essentially NV20 had multi-channel pipelined memory addressing, whereas NV15 had basically one large memory bus that could only do one operation at a time. It's an interesting match-up though because SGRAM has some pretty nifty performance enhancements for graphics operations, helping somewhat off-set the GF2 architecture's relative inefficiency. Fun video!
Cool to know! Definately need to do this again overclocked 😁 love your vids, make more soon!
Both of these cards were really nice for their time. These values are great for a 75 or 85 hz refresh rate, which would have been common back then.
Yes they both look nice on the 75hz lcd I was using.
The Geforce 2 Ti was a 180-150mm die shrink, but it looks like the Kelvin architecture was always 150mm - and the Geforce 3 Ti200 was a sneaky underclock to use poorly binned chips
Yes, though from what I've read they overclock pretty well.
I really liked the GF 3 TI200 and GF 4 TI4200 back in the day because they had acceptable prices and could be overclocked to the speed of their bigger and more expensive brothers the TI500 and TI4600.
Cool, yes I was reading they overclock really well. I might give it a go 😁
I still remember getting my geforce 3 ti200 and playing morrowind. Great times.
Cool, its a nice card 😁
I wasn't a PC gamer at this point in time and the naming is pretty confusing. nVidia really love doing that don't they? Just naming cards whatever they feel like regardless of performance relative to their own cards.
Haha, yes it seems that way. Probabaly why I was always chose red or other until recently. Think the only nvidea I had back then was a riva 128 and that came with a dell.
You pretty much always want to go with the older driver set for nvidia...I use 45.23 or 56.64 for anything FX series or older.
Haha, yes it seems that way. Ive never run into this kind of thing before, I just went modern when I read they had to change the driver to get the most out of the gf 3, they did seem to work better as you go back.
Unless you oc a 1 core cpu the pc will run into a cpu bottleneck pretty fast. If you get nearly the same results no matter the resolution my guess would be that is what happening. But hard to know for sure without some overlay like riva tuner can give or a 2nd monitor for stats. Also in all my benchmarks the newest drivers always seem to perform worse, even with newer cards like geforce 6000 series, but can have added features like a temp reading etc.
Its a 2.6 ghz p4.
@@66mhzbrain Yeah sure but the results speak for themselves and i have no way of judging how well your setup works, if you installed all the motherboard drivers and disabled all unneeded ports, what chipset it uses, if a sound card was involved etc. Just "Its a 2.6 ghz p4." isn't saying all that much. Im not saying its that, im just offering an idea. What you do with it is yours.
You never saw the Geforce 3 anywhere at the time, it was like it went Geforce 2 to 4 and that's why the 3 is so rare now. I just figured Nvidia was using most of the manufacturing capacity making them for the Xbox launch. However by 2002 it was all over for Nvidia with the 9700 Pro, that was the first card I bought with my own money and it took until the 8800GTX for Nvidia to claim the top spot again. That whole DX9 generation they were tailing.... In hindsight the 6800 had shader model 3.0 and that would give it longer legs, but in the day the X800 was faster and could do AA and HDR at the same time. So by the time 2006 came along and shader model 3 was required in some games, it didn't matter anyways as it was a couple years after the fact. Though I will say Oblivion looks a lot better with shader model 3 disabled, it gets rid of that nasty bloom. I really think the NVidia 9000 series to the 500 series was a dark time for GPUs, it wasn't until the 600 series where efficiency came back and Nvidia dominated ever since.
Cool. It all passed me by back then. I could only drool over magazine articles. Think I went from a voodoo banshee to a geforce 4 mx to a radeon x 300. I also dont remember anything about the geforce 3. I also missed loads of games as I was just into mmo's playing ultima online and star wars galaxies. I keep meaning to go back to the elder scrolls stuff since I enjoyed skyrim so much. Would be interesting to comoare how it runs with different period correct cards.
@@66mhzbrain I was a big Star Wars Galaxies, EQ and Planetside player back in the day! Star Wars Galaxies must have been rough on those cards, it ran really poorly on my 9700pro PC. 2003 was the year where I kicked consoles to the curb because I finally had a PC I made with my own money. Before that everything was prebuilds that my mum bought and it was always onboard graphics or the Geforce MX series... :/ Still I was able to play America's Army 2 and CS and Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield. I remember playing EQ for the first time in 2000 when the second expansion came out. My mate's brother bought the game and I asked to borrow it, little did we know that the cd keys weren't like other games where you can just reuse them lol. I only played for a year though until Luclin as I thought the expansion looked dumb and DAOC came out.
@@Vanu-i4o I betad galaxies, it was a lot of fun. I forgot about Planetside. That was the firat time I'd played anything like that, massive groups fight8n a war. I play world vs world in guild wars 2 now every jow and then similar vibe.
Cards I never got to see because my mum always bought prebuilt PCs with the horrible MX cards in. I still have never owned one to this day and judging by GPU prices I never will.
Haha, yes I was the same, I rocked my geforce 4mx that came in a dell for a long time. Yes prices are silly. German medeon branded cards still seem to go for reasonable prices. I got lucky, the 2 came in a non working machine for cheap and the 3 on fb marketplace for cheap. Fb marketplace/gumtree have been a gold mine for stuff at much cheaper prices than ebay etc.
@@66mhzbrain Actually I'm a complete liar, I have a 750ti.... But I do not really count it as I associate ti with the high end. I bought it when I made a micro build and it required to power cable. Such a great card, that and the AMD 480/580 were budget kings back in the day, they're still both great for PS4 era gaming today. Though I bought the 480 for VR use and I even played HL Alyx on it, how long that card lasted me, I put it in my work PC now so I can game lol. It's becoming harder and harder to find these old cards now, usually they're in PCs people throw in the bin. I'm guilty of that myself as my 9700 Pro I threw in the bin back in around 2010 as it wasn't even worth selling back then.
@@Vanu-i4o I dont like to think of the stuff I've thrown away. Ive just taken my 1080ti out of my main gaming rig but went with amd this time for a change.
Bro you are a bit late
It's never too late 😁
maybe you could be less boring
Hah, some people just cant help themselves😁 move right along!