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What the heck are "bock mechanics"? Not lacking power....and there are no "sound effects". That's just the sound of us hitting mitts. The only change up would be that the sound is slowed down along with the video in the one clip. Try not to be a keyboard warrior.

I would agree that many like to think that the sport of MMA is the same as JKD, but I would disagree. I think the spirit of JKD is to work with and be open to all martial arts and martial artists in an effort to learn more on your own martial journey.

@@evolutionJKD I would say JKD applied in MMA. Like applied match, science, etc. Part of the though and spirit is there. Edficient, the usefullness, effectiveness, incoorperate all martial art forms, what is work for oneself, etc. Some people say Bruce is the founder of MMA. In other word MMA is inspired by Bruce film which incooperated many martial forms art from all over the world. MMA also will evolve and change, so do the MMA practitioner in the quest, the journey for acknowledgement in the sport. Same old same.

Ha Ha Ha!! Maybe that's the difference between Wing Chun and JKD. I don't do Wing Chun, or supliment my JKD with traditional WC training. The JKD version is agressive. Or at least the version I learned. Jerry and I did a LOT of chi sao. If you watch the higher level Wing Chun people move with each other, they move away from the traditional fook in chi sao to the palm. I've seen a few of them make the shift when they start moving with intent. If you don't, you get hit.

Should be interesting, so I'll bite. Why?

I'm not actually sure about Seattle, but I think Taky was always teaching. Oakland would have closed because of James Lee's health. He died from lung cancer in Dec, 1972. Bruce was in Hong Kong focusing on films for the last few years of his life. Dan taught classes out of his back yard while Bruce was away.

@@evolutionJKD nope ,he closed em because he realized jeet was a form in it'self ,exactly what he didn't want ,that is a fact.

Saying "that is a fact" while being a nobody is useless. If you want to express yourself as an expert, then you have to actually be an expert. I am. You have yet to demonstrate that you are.

@@evolutionJKD stop deleteing my proof then

A drunken comment is not “proof”.

Bruce had an extensive library. There were a few books that Jerry Poteet recommended for me to read. I did. A lot of great information. I think more than a few sayings have been attributed to Bruce when he was sharing the idea, not claiming to have come up with it himself.

Two really good reasons for it. 1) I have a strong Japanese influence to my martial arts. 2) and this is probably the bigger of the two, it's just way more cost effiective. When I was first opening my own school, I was looking at sashes. They cost twice as much!! At the end of the day, it's a ranking system. You could choose to do anything. I went with belts. The intermingling between China, Japan, and Korea is massive. Belt, sash, whatever. It's more about the journey and the growth of the students. If you know a supplier who can get me sashes for the same price as belts, I'm all ears!!!

Wrong. Bruce never taught JKD as a mixed art. You do underhand that right? There is no mention from any students he taught them judo one day, karate another or Thai boxing the day after. You are completely misinformed about this. You don’t go from style to style you go from distance to target. “The majority of people who practice Jeet Kune Do are mixed up, they think it should be a part of Wing Chun, a part of MMA, a part of Thai boxing, a part of wrestling, you know, a part of Wing Chun, which this is completely incorrect. You don't go from style to style, you go from distance to target or target to distance. Longest weapon to the nearest target and the most direct and efficient route possible, that is Jeet Kune Do.” - Tommy Carruthers “People fail to realize Bruce moved beyond technique. Once you understand the goal is to hit primary targets in the shortest time possible. All the fluff can be cut away. So you don't have to learn new techniques. You find better safer direct and indirect ways to attack these points. The rest of your time is spent training your body to refine this process.” - John Paul Daily JKD

Firstly, I would remind you that most of the notable students who trained with Bruce Lee had previous training and many were considered "fighters" before they started with Bruce. While I may not agree completely with the original comment, there is validity. You do need a base level of understanding. It's kind of like taking Calculus without having developed addition and subtraction first. Secondly, you quoted two people who are prime examples of what I discussed in this video. They are part of the problem.

@@evolutionJKD you know what, maybe you should actually watch the video of Jesse Glover talking about Tommy, because I have never heard any other Bruce Lee student talk about any other practitioner of JKD in the way way Jesse talks about Tommy. That includes you and all the other guys who claim to do JKD, and you had the nerve to say Tommy was “missing steps” which is laughable. I think you and many others would benefit greatly by taking lessons from him. He’s also being asked twice by Bruce’s own family to demonstrate JKD at Bruce’s birthday celebrations, but of course, he’s “missing steps” right? Unbelievable. He certainly has his share of haters, you included. Funny enough hippopotamus was also a devoted hater, and I mean devoted. Also, the Hollywood bouncer thing you mentioned before. Try being a bouncer in Glasgow for 10 years which was the knife crime capital of Europe for decades. There’s no comparison to Tommy’s background. No matter what you guys say, you were never able to replicate Bruce’s level of skill or attributes, perhaps because you don’t actually train like Bruce whilst Tommy actually did. To much “Bruce said this” and not enough paying attention to what Bruce actually DID and trained. The problem is Tommy and his guys can do it, you can’t.

"An individual can not learn the principal roots of JKD through the accumulation of many different styles; For that would be like a singer trying to improve his voice by accumulating many songs. Rather: it is by understanding the roots of the problem." - Dan Inosanto [1969] "No, you do not make up your own JKD. This line of thinking presupposes that Bruce Lee's contribution to the martial arts was purely philosophical with no physical structure. Bruce Lee's art has a definite set of physical techniques that are deeply entrenched in philosophical principles. It is through the continued practice of these techniques & principles that one continues to improve, discover & deepen their understanding of JKD & thereby make it their own. After all, essential to Bruce Lee's JKD are the principles of simplicity & directness, which connotes refinement rather than accumulation." - Bruce Lee Foundation "A few techniques well presented, an aim clearly seen, are better than a tangled maze of data whirling in disorganized educational chaos." - Bruce Lee

And you further my point with your comment. The demise of JKD is found in keyboard warriors like you. Prove me wrong. Let's see you give your name and lineage and post a video. I've seen Tommy and judged him lacking. What do you think I'll make of you?

This one is really me sharing a story from my training. When I did it to Jerry, I was going full speed. So was he! I do love exploring movement! The reference point is more of a beginning point for exploration of all possibilities.

@@evolutionJKD yes sir. Absolutely. Great talking with ya again. 😁💯🙏

Thanks! We are trying to share more content that is helpful and insightful to viewers.

I agree with so many just wanting to copy Bruce Lee. And that is the movie version of him!!!

I'll give it a watch and see!

There is some validity to your statement.

Glad you think so!

Trying to be humorous while giving a different perspective. They share some good info!

Sorry bro! TH-cam was trying to enlighten you again. I'd complain. It's ridiculous for them to want to broaden your "frog in the well" perspective by putting a video from legitimate experts into your feed. Maybe you should boycott them!! That'd show them!!

Love your comment! I'm never against debate or someone asking a question. I think you bring up a valid point and one I have asked myself. Maybe I can address this in a future video or Live discussion. I've talked about it before, but maybe a dedicated discussion is needed.

That's like saying that basketball died with Kobe Bryant. Or that all the songs he sang died with Elvis. Yes, his personal expression died with him, but that is true for everyone. JKD is a training program. Different people get different things from it and the results will vary. This is further applified when you have portions of the training missing or interpreted differently.

@@evolutionJKD you missed the point. bruce once said that he had made a great mistake creating a name JKD for something that do not exist. he feared that writing a book people would use the book to create a chain of jkd schools. that is why the tao of jeet kune do was not published. bruce lived to teach us that we should not be attached to any rigid form of thinking. jkd would be a materialization of that. he said that "the name jkd"should be used as an example like a boat that you use to get to some point and after that you discard it. that is all. elvis was just a singer.. he did not teach me anything. i never seen koby playing anything and that would not help me to grow anything in my being watching a basketball player. i say again : the creation o jkd was a mistake. when sidarta the buda died people got in fight to get the ashes of his body. they missed the philosophy. you can still keep the philosophy behind bruce lee personal aproach to combat. but to pack it as jkd is a mistake,...

@@evolutionJKD Finally, a Jeet Kune Do man who says Jeet Kune Do is exclusively Jeet Kune Do is simply not with it. He is still hung up on his self-closing resistance, in this case anchored down to reactionary pattern, and naturally is still bound by another modified pattern and can move within its limits. He has not digested the simple fact that truth exists outside all molds; pattern and awareness is never exclusive. Again let me remind you Jeet Kune Do is just a name used, a boat to get one across, and once across it is to be discarded and not to be carried on one's back. Bruce Lee

Probably!

Have you shown it to your instructor or some of the senior students at your school.? Show them yours and see what they say. Like our training, sometimes it takes a few times to get it figured out. You'd ask your instructor/coach or a more senior student for help with a technique, so ask about this too. If all else fails, take it to your dentist. They are profesionals and will help you.

@@evolutionJKD yeah sounds like a good idea I'll give it a go. Thanks for the feedback

Let me know if you get help from them. Maybe I can do a follow up video!!

I wouldn't put him in the "influencer" category. He's trained and legit. I can't speak to anything else. I don't know how he moves or what he teaches very well. People who are legit and share their knowledge, to me anyway, are instructors. They are judged differently. I'd never put him in the same category as the guys I presented in the video.

Which is worse? DK Yoo paying Manny to embarrass him or people thinking it is a mark of success.

Hmmm....I've done both Judo and wrestling. I can name who I trained with in both. You are correct that it's about application. To which I would point out that none of these guys have done. In fact, two of them have shown they suck in bouts. Just sharing information. Your choice if you want to take it or not.

Four points. 1) Marcelo is a junior level person in my view. I'd put him junior to Ian as well. We look at his movements differently. 2) I understand and apply kinetic energy a few levels up from what he's doing in the video. Pushing up from the ground is useful if you're striking up or need to increase your elevation to hit the target. Otherwise, you're wasting kinetic energy. Force is Mass times Acceleration. Going up means that you are diverting kinetic energy into lifting your body mass. You're doing more work! Drive through the point of contact. And if you clip the punch like he showed in the video, then whatever force you did create is poorly transferred into the target. The point is to deliver the kinetic payload to the target as efficiently as possible. 3) I disagree that "It's exactly same as Bruce Lee explained", but that goes with the higher perspective. The Tao is a collection of notes put together after Bruce died. It's a great reference, but it should never replace hands on training. 4) Did you try it? We were pretty clear about that. Don't take our word for it. I know it for myself, because I put the work into it and explored. Have you? We gave some insight and then said to go test it out yourself. As a JKD instructor, you should remember that you are still also a student and should be learning.

​@@evolutionJKDFirst of all, Sifu Joaquin Marcelo was private student of Poteet certified by Jerry Poteet as instructor under him in '91 so I think You band together with Ian are junior to him. Sifu Joaquin Marcelo is long time private student of Ted Wong and certified instructor personally by Ted Wong. What Poteet taught were the early stages of JKD development while Sifu Ted Wong taught the later stages of JKD development, so probably that's the reason of your lack of understanding. Second, F=m*a so when you use footwork it gives extra spice to the punch as Bruce Lee said regarding hook " Much of the "kick" behind the right hook is accomplished by footwork. " BL JKD, Commentaries on martial way, p. 223 Therefore when you add vertical force combined with rotational force it makes greater net force which is physics so the moment of impact is at the moment of top acceleration and when body weight is put into the punch. However, since you lack of understanding of biomechanics in jkd hook punch that's why you ran into false assumptions and as I said there is follow through in the punch and tear off to quicken the recovery in fluid way and not drop hand after punch like you do in your videos. Third, Yes these are notes of Bruce Lee regarding biomechanics of the punch and there also another one "Frequently, a boxer tries to put too much body behind the punch, thereby making it a push punch. The hook is a loose, arm-propelled pun ch . The "kick" comes from the looseness of the delivery andand the proper pivoting of the feet and body. The weight of the body is shifted with the hook to the side opposite the side you hook from." (Tao of JKD, p. 108) So they were published after Bruce passed away but one can see what Bruce pointed out regarding jkd hook biomechanics and it's exactly how Sifu Joaquin Marcelo explains it and also how it was taught by Bruce Lee to Ted Wong. And fourth, Yes, I have tried, practiced it as I am a student of Sifu Joaquin Marcelo, in my JKD journey I was fortunate to meet Ted Wong and also Jerry Poteet's lineage students. I researched it and applied it in combat against boxers. The question is have you? Have you ever tried to even punch hard ? As seeing your video regarding speed, power or technical level you are not even close to Sifu Marcelo level. So, remember as you being jkd instructor you need to talk less and practice more.

I did not know that he trained with Jerry Poteet. Jerry never mentioned him. Granted I didn't start training with Jerry until 2000, and then I was with him weekly for training between 2006-2010. Curious about who the Poteet lineage people are who you met. Remember any names? I would have said the same to Joaquin in person if we were at a seminar or class together. Probably would start a good conversation. No, I meant did you try the hook punch after watching the video and exploring the things mentioned. Clearly, you did not. Kid, this is a case of you don't even know what you don't know. Look, I'm not trying to convert you. Go be happy doing things the way you do. Doesn't hurt me a bit.

@@TWJKDPoland Ian here. Joaquin did not use footwork to demonstrate his hook. he threw his shoulder and lifted his center. Nobody with credible skill teaches that. I never Met Sifu Jerry. He passed while I was only a year into training. I met a lot of Sifu Joel's other teachers and they don’t throw a hook punch like this. The lessons I got from Sifu Joel and those he passed to me from Sifu Jerry are things I have taken into my circus acrobatics and improved immensely. Do you know movement? Can you break down how a backflip, high jump, discus throw, swim mechanics? We look at this stuff through JKD everyday and it’s incredibly rare that we see anyone else do it. You can say whatever you want, but I’ve been in Cirque du Soleil; we know how the body moves and we don’t need a physics equation to explain it. it also gives zero context to what the body is capable of especially when the goal is to be efficient. if I skip to you before I swing a baseball bat- yeah there’s going to be more force. Doesn’t mean I should approach you like that. Did you even watch the commentary or are you just offended that are giving some critique on someone you know? I don’t see any notes in that fancy book about throwing your shoulder first or raising your center for more power, do you have a page reference for that? You’re correct in there being many ways to express a punch. For something that’s supposed to represent JKD’s principles, this doesn’t fit into the criteria. Also, just because you train with someone spectacular doesn’t mean you’re going to be spectacular. That’s actually a theme of why we’re doing stuff like this. This has nothing to do with Joaquin other than the punch we’re observing. He’s probably a great guy and has other skills.

Your comment doesn't really address the content of the video, but I do feel that it should be addressed. Hopefully, you and anyone else will avoid these JKD inlfuencers and the poor advice you shared. Yes, there is a great deal of training that can be done without wearing protective equipment. That kind of training should be approached with caution, understanding of the goals, and oversight by a qualified instructor. Sparring is meant to develop the timing and distancing of your skills. Wearing protective equipment allows you to avoid injury while simulating a situation that allows you to further develop your skills. Whether you are training in JKD, self defense, or whatever; the use of protective equipment is a great benefit. You avoid injury and feel more confident to explore during your training. Training is about developing your skills. If you are in an altercation, then that is when you apply those skills to the best of your ability. Not with your training partners.

I am sorry but I am not a martial art practitioner. I just know a little and try to developed my own concept which I believe is functional in self defense, which is the purpose of any martial arts. my orientation in Karate is Shotokan which we spar bare knuckles. we do not hit the face but the body. The purpose of bare knuckle spar is to simulate non-tournament fight which is bare knuckles. Combat Aikido is my other orientation and Arnis which is our national martial art. taking which could be effective in actual fight(as Bruce Lee said take what is useful and throw away what is useless). Tradition should not restrict arts. All things introduce in training are beneficial but there are things to do when finishing the training and that is realistic sparring. Thank you for your accomodation.

I would say that the inclusion of modern protective equipment is NOT traditional. Even within my life there has been a massive improvement in equipment. Just mouthguards and finger gloves do a great deal to maintain aliveness in training while greatly reducing the risk. I have a few scars from older equipment that I wouldn't have with today's upgraded equipment. Be safe and keep training.

That exhibition bout between them was silly. Manny got a fat check to go in and play with DK. I do agree with you on only a few actually know JKD. At least to a high level. Mots know beginner or maybe intermediate levels but post it as "advanced". I'll be getting into some of the actual JKD people in future videos.

Can’t believe I’m saying this, but go to his channel. Wow! A JKD playlist. And wait, the video I used says JKD! Surprised a fanboy like you didn’t see that! 🤔

@@evolutionJKDWas the 'fanboy' comment necessary. Is that what your students are viewed as? Ive been a student of his for nearly 6 years and I've never heard him say such a thing but I will check.

​@@evolutionJKDI've been one of his students for 6 years. I'm not a fanboy. I've never heard him say that he was teaching JKD in the 6 years that I've been a student but I found several videos from 14 years ago.

I'm really curious about you now! 6 years? Are you taking classes from him in person or is it through his online program? Where are the videos of you moving? Have you actually applied this skill against someone? Do you know of one person that he actually trained under? Does he talk that way all the time? I mean, is he in character all the time or just for the videos?

@@evolutionJKDI'm an online student and I'm preparing for certification. I don't make videos. I don't personally know anyone studying from Master Wong. I've never met Master Wong and have only communicated with him electronically. I earned a BB in Sil Lum Quan Gung Fu in 1978. My last real street fight occurred in a bar fight when I was in the Navy in 1989. Three guys who don't look like me thought that I should not be dancing with a woman who also didn't look like me. I prevailed without a scratch. But I didn't know Wing Chun at the time. I chose Master Wong specifically because of his teaching style. I'm quite confident in what I have learned and men my age don't fight for fun.

Thanks!

I’d agree that some good hand skills would be nice.

Watch the flipping video!! So sick of the same thing being said by the same idiots. No, he's a fake. That "wing chun" he does is absolute garbage too. I only spoke to his fake ass "JKD". And if you watched the video or paid attention you'd see that the video I used does actually claim to be JKD. Go train with a person who actually knows martial arts.

I'm good then, since none of these guys are actual instructors. Just fakes. Marty, exactly who are you that I should need to earn your respect? Please elaborate. I've gained the respect of....let's do a rough count in my head.....Yeah, I went over a dozen in a quick count of actual martial experts who respect me. I don't actually need the respect of you or any of the people mentioned in this video. That should have been clear. I would suggest that you go to a quality school and begin actual martial training. While likely not to my level, something positive is infinitely better than just sitting in your room pretending you know something. Oh, and when you do go in to actually train, check that inflated ego before you walk in the door.

What? Thinking you might be named appropriately. Not making a lot of sense with your comment.

Well I'm a intercepting fist master too if your system real Good why you won't try on me, i'm free open for friendly sparring hand to hand

And you, like many others, didn't bother to watch the video. What number is this? I've had to point out the very obvious to so many keyboard warriors. And then, what does it even matter? JKD....Wing Chun? He's a fake. That you can't see that, along with the JKD logo he had in the video I used, shows how little you know about martial arts.

Thomas who?

Thomas Marx?

Oh, that guy! Cringe!! He's low level. Like a lot of the younger guys, he should still be in class learning something instead of making videos and pretending he knows something.

Not so much. Quite a few keyboard warriors post up the same garbage. But I try!

Tav is an instructor. We are both under Jerry Poteet and have trained together. He’s a really great guy. His approach is different than mine, but he has great information!

That is why I asked, because I knew y’all had the same instructor. Okay, what do you think of Paul Vunak?

Someone else just asked me that! Paul is a 2nd generation instructor under Dan. He's older than me. I think Ed Monaghan was in class with him over at Dan's. Ed is friends with Ron and Erik. I think they were all part of the same group. Maybe not. I don't know Paul personally. I can't speak to anything other than what I've seen him put out there and word of mouth from people I know. Paul is more FMA than JKD. He's put some great stuff out there and reached a lot of people with some quality programs, but I tend to look at the higher levels of JKD and judge those who are in my peer group much more harshly. That being said, my opinion is that his JKD isn't up to level. Of course, I'm talking about things 99% of the JKD world doesn't know. Unless you're at my school. Then you can see it, even if you can't do it yourself. Because they see and feel me do it all the time. Would a person learn something from his training? Absolutely!! Would I? No. I think him working toward a head butt is stupid. I think the video of him taking a knife to a side of beef is pretty damn cool!!

Did he really demonstrate on a big slab of beef, biting and tearing a chunk out with his teeth?? Also, what about Tony Valente?

LOL, no he used a knife. No idea who Tony Valente is.