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hey bob, i know i'm a bit absent-minded sometimes. so I went back to look at minute 22:00 and you can see that I am using my whetstone. and indeed I have to grind it flat again. but then you actually need a set of 2. I only have 1. maybe not quite the best. but for scraping practice. I can live with it. But thanks anyway, I'll put it on my to-order list right away

hey first thanks for this information. I could do that. but that will take a long time. and what do you use as an abrasive? I actually wanted to grind my ram flat this weekend. and use that as a reference. (that has some delay). That should be possible or am I looking at it wrong

@@DoMetalStuff you scrape in the plates

@@etbuilds6006 hey E.T. It takes some getting used to how to hold your scraper steel. and how hard should I press. I did realize that my scraper is a bit too long. and as far as subscribers are concerned, they will come automatically if you manage to touch their interest👍🏻just keep uploading

@@DoMetalStuff I really did not want to sound whining. I'm ok with 200+ views., Your scraper looks to be aprox. the length of mine, what did help me a lot was taking away about half of the shaft's strength to make it mor elastic. If I apply force, it bends a little bit.

@@etbuilds6006I made it a bit shorter and thinner. that works better. You didn't come across as whining.😉

@@therealspixycat what you saw in this video is cast iron. I don't remember the exact material number anymore. it was a round disk from which I also made the 2 small camel backs. I haven't scraped plain steel yet. I think it is a bit tougher and more sticky.

@DoMetalStuff it seems like you make more like stripes instead of moon shape scrapes. Test the material using a disk grinder and check the sparks?

@@therealspixycat if you want to get moon shape you have to use a different technique.

@@tuoppi42 You are right, the table is indeed too low. and my scraper handle is too long. I still have to change that.

@@sodium.carbide that's nice to read. Thank you👍🏻

@@Rustinox hey michel, yes really. I still can't believe it either. I am very happy with it. so everyone who reads this is welcome. and thank you again Michel

@@alasdairhamilton1574 hope not. It doesn't have to be very pretty for me, as long as it works reasonably well, I'm happy😅

@@bobvines00 hey bob this is a comment I hadn't thought about. thanks for this. 👍🏻and no, we don't use that paper. we oil everything. I can spray my wooden boxes with clear varnish. then moisture no longer comes out of the wood. and usually those boxes are in the house. there it is a bit better in terms of moisture.

@@bobvines00 That's right, you saw that correctly. but my setup is a bit off. it leaned towards the cutting direction. and even then I did indeed have a height difference. but it doesn't matter for the ratchet gear

@@bobvines00 hey bob. I do have something. but I don't believe what I have is the whole manual. rostinox sent me. from memory 8 pages. And tanks for the sub 👍🏻

thanks. I have to look back, I couldn't remember what I had done😅

How do you think I'm going to take my shaper to the scrapyard? I disagree. so please explain more than

@@DoMetalStuff I watched your videos on scraping, you have no idea what you are doing. My advice is to leave the shaper the way it is and practice on something else until you have some idea of what you are doing.

@@CastIronMachine Maybe you get the idea that I don't fully understand it. and that might well be the case. I'm practicing on a piece of cast iron. it is also a learning process for me. but I don't learn anything from your response. so please give some info.

@@DoMetalStuff I just did, you are not ready to scrape a machine, that is very useful information. You might get offended but it is the truth. Buy a proper scraper, it's not that expensive, buy a surface plate, buy a straight edge, practice on scrap cast iron, learn more. The information is available and you can learn it but don't hurry, this takes time and practice.

@@CastIronMachineI don't feel offended. but your first 2 responses don't help anyone anyway. I think it's a bit of a shame to buy a surface plate and a straight edge just for this project. those things are very expensive here in the Netherlands. is my flat ground piece of metal not good enough? but like I said, I'm still practicing and I'm not just starting with my shaper.

welcome, hope you enjoy yourself with my videos

Nice and welcome, there is already quite a lot to see and much more to come. hope you enjoy yourself with my videos👍

Same here.

nice en welkom, hoop dat je je vermaakt met mijn videos

Thats a good point, Rusty! How come you watching a video about "primitive" work, I thought you despise filing and scraping!? :)

By the way, I love your attitude and your videos too, looking forward to tomorrow!

hey michel. I didn't expect that to be original. and yes plastic swells. I knew that. that's why I thought it wasn't original. but thanks for your information.👍🏻

he always checks on me. he helped me a lot with the shaper.

Me to

@@hilltopmachineworks2131 No problem Tom. There must be someone who can do that... I hope so

@@DoMetalStuff I will reach out to Kyle.

I am open to any information. be my guest

One thing I noticed: I think the radius of your scraper blade is much to small. The cuts you are making are really tiny. I'm reaaly no expert in scraping, like you I learned by just doing it, afer watching TH-cam-University (Keith Rucker and Richard King ...). That said, for roughing in, I use a radius of 40-60mm and quite heavy force, so I really take of some chips, not only dust. for finishing 30mm radius seems to work good, using a more elastic scraper shaft, which seems to reduce chatter. Cheers Erich

it's true the radius is quite small. the grinder at my work is not made for this job. but I can practice

@@therealspixycat so you're saying my straight edge is too short? can you explain more about that? I thought it would be possible, I cover more than 75% of my RAM surface

@DoMetalStuff yes: straight edge must cover at least the full length and secondly the straight edge must cover both surfaces (left and right) so you need a large surface plate for this. You need a surface plate to get both sides in one plane. Just image that it is one solid piece: it has to be perfectly flat to rub eventually back and forth without binding and without any play. Wat ik bedoel dat je in feite een grote rechthoek perfect in een rechthoekige opening moet zien te krijgen en dat die rechthoek zonder dat hij vast loopt omdat vlakken niet perfect parallel lopen of dat er speling ontstaat. Dit is behoorlijk behoorlijk lees bijzonder lastig. Ik hoop dat je het een beetje snapt

I think you are right here, to have a bigger surface as a reference would be ideal, BUT: I dont think he is aiming for perfect precision, he is just trying to improve his tool. That can be done even with measurement methods wich are far from ideal. If you hinge the straight edge on your part and you know the first half is flat, then move your straight edge half the legth of it and hinge it again, you can get your part pretty flat, not perfect, build what i consider good enough (if it's better than before. cheers!

@etbuilds6006 well that isto be seen: for the same token you make it worse because you don't and didn't fully understand the concept possibly destroying the shaper. Oke you gained a lot of experience but it is sad to possibly destroy a nice little shaper. O do have the exact same Ai machine

@@therealspixycat My ram is first ground flat, I have found someone. where I can do this. and I will also grind the round disc flat, but that will take another 2 weeks.

hi, that's nice to read. I will tell you. I managed to find more documents of different models and saw a number of videos. and mine is a bit of a copy of watch wes work. I thought the adjustable legs with the hard bushings were a great idea. For the rest I thought it out myself with the materials I could use: 20mm centerless ground round. were left over from an assignment. and of course the connecting pieces too. You can get by without drawings but with pictures😉

That's great, man. Have you found any disadvantages in the tool? I just want to make another part to hold my dti

@@DoMetalStuff I have used only my precision level up to now, will make a dti-holder too. As you ca see in my video, I made an adjustable platform for my level in 2 axes.

i reply add your video

thank you sir

hi, what I'm trying to do is scrape guideways back in. I hoped to gain insight into the wear with this tool. (this is all new to me too). I measured my ram while the machine was still operational. 0.01mm over 200mm. So I don't read that back with the alignment tool. I then also noticed that my table was hanging. I don't remember exactly how much I thought, 0.2 mm over 200 mm. so my cut surface can be made flat. no concavity visible. as far as I can measure it. I have the feeling that when the bullgear turns in the cutting direction it pushes my ram up. That's why I see more wear on the front of the ram than the rear. The piece that attaches the ram to the arm of the bullgear is made of plastic in mine (doesn't seem normal to me) (I'll work on it when I have time) first this scraping project. conclusion ram is not too bad, table and saddle more wear. It's possible that I'm not doing or understanding it completely correctly. I didn't take any lessons for this. All advice is welcome and I also thought about a flat plate. If I place the ram upside down on the plate and it is at an angle, the measurement will be wrong. I don't know if that is parallel to each other. hope you understand that a bit. In any case, thanks for your response and advice 👍🏻 Dominic

@@DoMetalStuff You will need a straight edge also, to scrape the machine in. I first scraped one way flat, and parallel to a machined surface which had no wear, now I'm on to the inverted v-way (a-way?) and here is where you really need this contraption to get it aligned to the flat way. You'll get the hang, once you start doing it.

@@etbuilds6006 I made a straight edge. and I had only read yesterday what you say about first flattening a reference😅👍🏻

@@DoMetalStuff Thats cool, eventually you will get it done to your satisfaction. It's a slow process, but that also means you have lots of time to discover all your errors.

@@etbuilds6006 hi et. I'll probably get there someday. even if it will take a long time. I watched your videos last night, your radius grinder is beautifully made. I'm working on that idea too. only I don't use such a scrape blade. I use carbide insert. which we can no longer use for my work. small machine small tools. And I don't have to chop away any😅 millimeters

You can say that. Even with all the easily removable parts it is still heavy.😅

you're right. it is in specification with my tape measure. I am done🤣🤣🤣

@@DoMetalStuff See how easy that was. I am glad I could help. 😁

@@hilltopmachineworks2131 yes, I don't understand why everything has to be to the hundredth or thousandth. what an invention that tape measure🤣🤣

@@DoMetalStuff 😄

Well, first you have to scrape in the tape measure...

I know. watch this video again @ 9:30 approximately 👍🏻😅

hi that's nice to read. I can give you all my measurements, but that's not really necessary. which is useful to use a centerless ground round rod. (for ease of sliding) the rest is all adapted to a round rod. I used 20mm round for stability.

you could well be right about that. but a surface plate is quite expensive. I've been thinking about it. The disadvantage is that I cannot use it all the time. I made a kind of straight edge and ground it flat. it just cost me time. the alignment tool is to give me numbers on the image of making it blue. If I buy everything I need I can buy a second Scaper.

Hope so. I started down this path. But all this is new to me. No teacher except youtubers who walked this path before me.

hey, no problem, thanks for your response. I will definitely continue making videos.👍🏻

it is a machine from the past. but it shapes the future. and still does.👍🏻

just peeked at yours. it is a bit bigger than mine😅

hey thomas. thank you for your response. that hole was not made in it from the factory. someone had built an oil pump there. normally that part is closed. at least with the same models I have seen, for example rustinox. and I thought to fill that hole with epoxy with coarse sand/granite grit. and some steel mesh in between. shaking well. I don't know if that works. I think I would be the first to do this. always better than welding that's for sure. Kind regards back from the Netherlands

I'd like to believe that. nice stuff, that old cast iron, but quite heavy

You helped me a lot with that gear and the videos, so it was about time😉👍🏻

You got that absolutely right👍🏻. didn't even find an internet cable. so there was already wireless internet back then😅

that's right Tom. I didn't remember that I still had so many bolts and such. I think I have owned those bolts for 10 - 15 years😅, as well as more hand tools.🤣

thanks for the response👍🏻. nice to hear it's interesting. that's why I do it.😉

Thank you kindly. Sir

I'd like to believe that. I don't really enjoy doing it by hand

I wish my shaper had power down feed. I would probably use it more.

the mechanism for the down feed is not very complicated. the problem is space. There are also people who built it from the outside. I personally don't really like that.

Well a wire shaft a coupler and a simple ratchet would do it. Mine moves quite easy.

@@cyclebuster that's true. I have seen such settings. but I don't really like that. when abom was repairing his g & e, i took screenshots that i find more interesting. that's doable. I just think I have a space problem on my shaper. and then the originality disappears a bit

Hey Tom. Certainly no one drowned under my watch😅 and I saw your email👍🏻

Thank you sir 👍🏻

Thanks Tom. Was a fun project to do. Next time test on the machine clamp.😉

When I search, I come across quite expensive devices. but who knows in the future. if I have more followers and TH-cam pays out advertising money. 🤣

I don't really know anything about a good camera. and I still needed a new mobile phone. and the problem is not the upload speed. but the file type HEVC. that type was unreadable. so I looked for a reasonable converter(for free) which was hell. tried several, most online said file too large. and the downloadable one kept crashing. my solution is play with vlc and re-record with obs (screen recording)

@@DoMetalStuff my upload times were horrible and 1/3 of the clips were junk after loading, so i got a Fuji and its far better, but its more light sensitive, needs better lighting.

​@@cyclebusterI have nothing to compare. but it was 32.5 GB of data. I thought I had to wait forty-five minutes. and that can be done faster on an SSD drive, but I don't use that for my film material

Hi, Glad it works properly. thanks for the comment

Hey Tom tanks man. Glad it works properly. thanks for the comment.

Hey thanks for your response. That pin has a dual purpose. The first is what you said. The second is for positioning, I am going to mill holes in the shoulder of the tool holder. Every 10 degrees and 180 degrees further it jumps 5 degrees compared to the first 18 positions