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I am learning quite a lot. Friend of mine is starting a OBR army, and I'll makr sure to send this his way. Also, my dumb brain keep autocorrecting the knights to kabanoss 😅

after lisen to this ! skaven sound like they got fuckt over in version 4 ! bone reapers ca deal so mutch dammage and with rent 4 agans boss or monster or just rent 3 and deying ability to use ward save ! skarbrand ! say god night sir ! sins everey time i role the 20 dice ! 16 wound as normal ! do to 2to hit and 2 to wound and with explolding 6 that can becom exploding 5 ! cant wait to play bone reapers again !

I bought the Lumineth spearhead, thought okay. Then I saw a shark with two riders and 2300 points later here I am. Love the Idoneth Deepkin. Thanks for this great video

Thank you for getting to a death army. Now you need to hit FEC and SBGL! :D Definitely hit orruk warclans after their book drops, I think there are a lot of anxious orruk players out there that would like to see some in depth analysis on the faction since it's been off to such a rocky start this edition in their index phase.

I would love to to see you analyze FEC, i don't see alot of coverage of them post-index.

Love this video guys. OBR are one of the best aesthetically designed units in all of AoS for me IMHO. Love them so much - but, that being said, I do have some annoyances about how *conservative* they are with OBR in 4.0. I only came to OBR in late 3rd, so I'm hardly an SME on the subject, but I loved the primary brick I ran of 4 mortek guard (2 swords and 2 spears, spears behind swords to abuse melee range back in 3.0) and then two harvesters. Split them right in half to have a mobile front line with Gothizzar havester support in recursion, some small shooting, and shockingly good melee that most people slept on. Nowadays, I feel punished for wanting my mortek guards. The harvesters really feel bad to use. Nowadays I just want to run as many horsemen as possible with the Kavalos & Zandtos + Arkhan. Maybe also run the Archai, but it really feels like a different army. Despite all my whining, I got the terrain (Despite it being a meme, it looks rad) and the awesome endless spells, so I'm super into the faction still, and delighted to see more content for OBR, so I wanted to engage with the video more than just liking and watching. All the very best to all of you at Strategoi!

I hate all the anti-synergies that Mortek Guard have to deal with these days. They used to be the kings of synergy, but now their shield wall negates Katakros's armor bonus, and their anti-charge rule renders what should be the most on-theme relentless discipline ability for them redundant. Very frustrating. Stalkers also feel like they've really lost a step between only -1 ap and not having the extra charge ability. Otherwise I'm mostly ok with the index? I know some obr players complain about the new rd rules making units stick near their heroes where before it was part of obr fluff to be more independent, but I like the way it encourages more regimented formations. Maybe in the battletome we could get a change where RD is usable by any unit, and if a hero uses it its a bubble like current but if a non-hero uses it then it only affects that unit? Keep the encouragement to formations while allowing the previous independence where needed?

i would love a melee version of this.

Love the videos, thanks.

I love that you're doing this.

I know it would be more complex and there are against that at this point but for next edition where hopefully they can tune up the complexity a little bit. It will be cool if they just had Lieutenant and Captain tiers. They could use whatever word they want, but the stormcast Knight characters are the lieutenant tier and the lord characters are the captain tier. Then you could have lieutenants be inside a captain's regiment. The same goes for commander /warmaster which could potentially take captains as units etc.

Hey! Watched all the videos on idoneth and loved them. Could you please do a video on in-depth army strategy, tactics, positioning through the course of a game and rounds? I think that would be great content for idoneth players.

Great video guys, enjoyed this while painting my raptadons😊

Nice work mate, I've really enjoyed these deep dives into the mathy side of things.

I absolutely loathe singleton as a format for AOS. With the stripped down ruleset, it just makes the game feel even more like an overly expensive board game or card game. I also really was keen on list-building when they first discussed it on the warcom site. I play Conquest which makes such a list building format work. AoS seems to have borrowed it but really sloppily implemented it without considering the key differences between the two games.

This edition is very boring imo, every battle report I've watched have the same first half: it's always the same order of battle tactics, with the same kind of list ( spamming the most lethal units) and repeat, I feel like I am watching robots. Battle tactics are still there and bring the same problems, pressuring you to have the fewest drop possible to decided who goes first, meanwhile regiments are really constrictive and kill creativity. There are also too many effects that only works on a x+ or d3 roll, making some units feel really useless in a game. It seems that the guys who wrote the original rules for destruction convinced the whole staff that adding layers of randomness in a dice game, is the definition of fun. I appreciate the fact that most rules and time of effect are more manageable but the rest is so mid. Finally, the game has become really long to play imo, most people I play with and myself are in our thirties now and we don't have the luxury to take 3 hours for a single game.

Think adding a sideboard sounds fun, but significantly increases the painting and cost barriers of bringing an army to an event

They need to bring incentive to high drops back. Warlord, Acolyte, Bounty hunter etc all gave big bonuses to armies that ignored the race to the bottom in terms of drops. I think there NEED to be a way to control who decides turn order because its a way too big part of the game to leave to random chance, and I have no idea how to solve that with anything other than drops. Now its actually random because everyone and their mother is a 2 drop.

Regiments = Drops system has to be changed.

List building restrictions are the #1 reason that people didn't come back for 4th edition, only slightly in front of indexes stripping all the flavor and fat out of warscrolls.

"if people were forced to play with different stuff you would be seeing different results" Um, yes? That's not really much of a thought? Like yes, if you forced people to bring different units you'd see different armies and different win rates. Because you're forcing people to change. And it wouldn't solve any problems because then you'd just run into different inequities because you're creating new problems. I'm not really sure where you're going with this. I'm not sure if it's true but whenever I listen to podcasts or TH-camrs who play A LOT of age of sigmar, like 3+ games a week, every single one of them is trying to find a different way to force people to not take what they want. And I'm confused by it. Cause it doesn't feel like it would help? It would just give you a brief reprieve of the meta until you got used to the new meta. In my opinion, additional restrictions do not create more variety. Freedom and balance creates more variety. And to some degree you will always see very similar or same-y lists because a lot of people just like playing what they see is doing well because it takes out the uncertainty of if the 100's of hours of painting will pay off in a fun army to play.

Wildwood needs to lose the ward or damage it does to everyone around it. Recursion of monstrous characters is busted. Should not be able to go to full wounds.

I think Kroak now that he has reduced damage, he should have 18 range. That alone would improve him a lot. With 12 range and 5 move, he simply does not get in range enough

Priority target was one of very few things that made you not want to jam 1-2 drops. I feel after that change, for most armies more than 2 drops is almost strictly worse...I don't love the way drops decide prio in 4th, nor how heroes=drops, and it seems to be getting worse by the month.

Good stuff!

Awesome breakdown! Like others mentioned, would love an analysis of individual battle plans and how different army styles should approach them... I play CoS with 5 drop (need those orders from heroes), and some battle plans just make my brain hurt trying to figure out deployment

Thank you for compiling all this

Slow day at work. I've been waiting for one! These vids are so useful to me, not the least since my martian cult shootment phase is the mostest with the far out future there is. As always I can only thank you for putting in the hours! They also remind me of old statistics lectures at uni, and speaking as someone who has done both light level statistics research and fun&profit census taking at work, they feel like coming home. Research-life is a long ways away nowadays, and a brush yesterday with SPSS confirmes that most of them chicks have long flown the nest, BUT SOME GOOGLE DOC MAFS ABOUT HOW TREENTS DO CHUCKING REBARS AT MY BUDDIES, OR THE DATA NECCESARY TO PELT SPACE MARINES WITH RADIOACTIVE PELLET AT MAXIMUM EFFECTIVENESS?! Yes. My ensmollend brain can handle that catnip.

shame move like the wind got FAQ'd, now it's way more unreliable at 2D6.

I got interested in aos just as 3e ended, and in lumineth in particular. And I'm still upset that i never got to play with Aetherquartz or my syar army.

Thanks for keeping this up! Really appreciate your insight into the current Aos 4.0 meta

No Cities units on the list...that makes me sad. I would think Darkshards would have at least made it up there somewhere. Then again, many of the buffs come from external sources: All Out Attack giving +1 Wound as well and Extra Shooting Attack if didn't move. That's 31 Attacks, 2+/3+ for 140 points.

Amazing analysis as always I will have to see it couple more times to get every value out of it

Love this. Very good analysis!! I got worked this past weekend by OBR catapults (not super efficient, very swingy, but their ability to make you fight last is SO good).

While certainly an interesting point for discussion, this type of analysis is (as we saw) going to skew towards units where you are paying points mostly for their offense. The top 6 units all have a 5 or 6 save and are low wound count, so their points cost is mostly dedicated towards their output. The reason why units like Vanguard Raptors feel so much more oppressive is because they have insane output AND the defense of an elite unit (plus as you mentioned they have the proper support for positioning in the faction). This is why you won't see people complaining about Auric Hearthguard or Arkanaut Company shooting, because as a whole the units just aren't very good. This is why I think it's so hard to balance a wargame like AoS or 40k, because so many things are interdependent that you can't really just math out the points cost in a vacuum and come up with reliable results. It's not that there is no value in that, but it only tells part of the story.

I really enjoyed this. Nice analysis ❤️

I assume Freeguild Fusiliers where calculated with the mobile weapons profile? I was curious and did the math, calculating a value of 3.79 dmg p/100 for the fortified weapons profile.

Thank you! It's nice to hear an AoS commentator not whining about shooting. It has been tremendously nerfed in 4th. Also, thank you for this content. There is nothing else like it.

Would Lotann’s passive work on himself as well? Or is he not considered wholly within 12” of himself?

I appreciate your analysis from an academic point of view. That being said I don’t know how much raw efficiency per point paints a good enough picture to draw much conclusion for efficacy. I think the median for average damage to max damage might help move the paint a better “on the table perspective”

state of shooting is so easy as useless and unplayable. each edition the haters have got shooting nerfed more and more untill this edition where is so bad that it is umplayable

So now that we have a base, are we gonna get one within the context of their faction rules. Some of these units have some powerful synergies within their books for damage and movement shenanigans.

Methinks you forgot Skyfires

Thank you very much. Sometimes i like to just roll dice and count numbers for units or compositions/scenarios i wonder about. This seems like a nice complement to get a couple of good baselines for reference. Granted, it also looks like it is a lot faster to do it digitally, but ya know; dice are fun 😅

Great content as always! Always gets me to think!

Great review! I like with the pace and tailored content you have, guys. Maybe biweekly/monthly review of the meta state and your thoughts about it would be nice as re-accurent content

This is cool guys. Id be interested in a similiar style vid for top units in the fight phase at base when charging, or are charged. I guess that could be a really work-heavy video!

24:00 Wouldn't a -1 to hit impact all units the same, since 1/6th less of your attacks will hit regardless of what your hit value is?

Only units that have run and shoot abilities can redeploy and shoot because of the run keyword on redeploy.

yea, i hate shooting so much and i hate that gw wants to make my skaven a shooting army atm, i want my meele glass cannon with movement tricks style back. most of my friends lists have shooting and its so frustrating and unfun to play against. i have to move my hammers in the right positions, planning ahead, positioning screens to then just fail the charge while shooting units just blast everything from 24"+ range and dont do anything for it. its just too much damage for how safe it is to deliver. if the opponent isnt dumb then you will really rarely reach those shooting units so your only option most of the time is to just take shooting aswell which ends in a kind of arms race aswell as "whoever gets to shoot first wins" and really sucks if your army doesnt have any shooting like most of mine or arent as good as your opponents shooting. im not here for playing 40k. i hope he talks about any of these issues, just had to rant before watching because im really frustrated with the game and especially my skaven atm.