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NOBODY wants to hear yall opinion on this battle 😂and the numbers REFLECT

If either of you say anything other than Kendrick won, you’re getting an unsub 😂

51:46 I think Lupe would outrap K Dot FOR SOME OF US...I do not think he would win the popularity battle..but I will go look up the Royce Da 59 beef.

34:30 Whatsthedirt is backing up his conclusions with 'evidence' and so you can decide if you think his conclusion is a reach...

Why no dive into Revolt of the Elites?

Ha! I had no Idea varn came from the crusty punk milieu. I was in that scene to some extent at roughly same time with people in the PNW. I Wonder if we have any friends in common.

Use me for a FD doesn’t have anything to drop like button

Yo stop saying heart pt 4

my dog fik! been subbed to him since the baby boy video, before i was even a real leftist. this podcast is gonna be like marshmellows on ice-cream for me, a match made in havana

Well, this is an unexpected get together! Say it quietly, but does this collaboration mean the algorithm works? Strange days...

An hour of nothing new, decorated with random big words lol

Something that frustrates me with older heads (even though I think I'm older than F. D.) is their understanding of how hiphop came into being. I remember arguing with Crazy Legs of Rocksteady Crew 15 years ago about how "breakdancing is and has always been a radical act." And his response was "make no mistake, hiphop came about thanks to a lotta shit. But no kid scrounging around the Bronx in the 70's and 80's for cardboard to dance on was thinking 'I'm doing this because I hate Reagan.' The conditions leading up to that kid being bored and searching for something to do are absolutely due to our economic conditions. But hiphop's core essence came from kids figuring things out by playing together." So as much as I disagree with modern hiphop art, I'll never say it's dead or that Drake & Kanye killed it. Hiphop will be fine as long as kids are allowed to play and express themselves on their own terms within this culture. Props 1Dime and F. D.. Also solid showing at Evo FD.

Drake has not ever sounded like a lyrical miracle rapper. -1 for credibility. For those of you taking fd serious on this opinion yall need to stop.

Welp FD’s video’s gonna probably take a lil longer now that Lupe ranted on Twitter all weekend 😭 Lupe’s envy for Kendrick had sayin some insane cap about Drake’s ‘skills’ and displaying his own elitism lol. Kendrick said nothing but somehow Lupe ended up stepping on EVERY rake in sight. He really needs to stay off of social media for a bit 💯

Lupe and Kendrick are both in my top 5 favorites. However, where I disagree with FD is that for all of the political missteps Kendrick has, Lupe is part of the talented 10th Black Bourgeoisie. Kendrick could pick apart his contradictions also.

shoutout to the Chi!

What’s your favorite Lupe song? I think my personal favorite song of his might be The Cool (F&L); but his most objectively incredible song imo has got to be WAV Files. My favorite album from him is Tetsuo & Youth.

What is FD talking about? Kendrick played the whole FOX news clip of them complaining about his "hate the po po" line before he did DNA at the pop out concert. Are you suggesting that he is too afraid to go off on cops? Coming from the city whose police department was so corrupt that it was shut down and taken over by the Sheriff's department (equally corrupt)! No one in Cali is afraid to rap against the police, it is a time-honored tradition. Also, Lupe cannot dismantle Kendrick like he did Royce. At best it would be a war of attrition, at worst Kendrick would dismantle him with an Element style track that captures the culture. Or Kendrick can just ignore him as irrelevant. No, Lupe needs to face his actual enemy and step his tactical game up. His career was sabotaged by the DNC, the media, and the music industry after he went after Obama prematurely. It is entirely possible to be correct in principle but untimely tactically. He did not have grass roots support to make that move and it cost him when phone calls were made, and record releases were held up. Kendrick did not do that to him. Lupe should be dissing them instead of helping colonizer Drake and calling him, Logic, and King Von (for F@#* Sake!) better artists than Kendrick. No wordsmithing "lyrical, Myrical" drivel from Lupe is going to defeat a soulful in touch with the masses Kendrick. I don't care if he put the whole New Afrikan Creed and all of the communist manifesto into the track, he ain't winning.

12:35 " it is not an effective means to reach out to conservatives..." Only this far into the video, but honestly how could a content creator think that? Just looked it up and has 2.7 million followers on twitter. That's an order of magnitude larger than all of Peter Coffin's YT views combined. To disagree about an ideological matter is one thing, but the numbers that are publicly available do not agree with the point I highlighted.

12:45 At the pop out, he had the crowd say we hate popo but still point still stands

FD signifier needs to be back on here

Dime, why do you keep ignoring that THE HEART PART 6 was called The Heart PART 6?

Honestly as much as i respect fd signifier this feels like a strawman argument anytime he talks about Drake and i wish i had the proper equipment so i could make actual balanced takes with as littlest bias as possible

3.5 hours??? DROP THE WHOLE VIDEO AND MY LIFE IS YOURS!!!!! @FD Signifire

“ Woke” or “wokeness” has been co-opted and needs to be stated each time it is brought up.

I’m trying to figure out what credentials, position, insight does Tony have to be able to have an informed opinion on the comparison between 2Pac and Kendrick or on Kendricks level of activism or radicalism??? By default, Tony has nothing to add to such a conversation …..there are just cultural nuances he has no idea about and other peeled back layers he would not get. Kendrick’s level of activism was presented in his music artistically giving those who can relate, a voice. 2Pac did the same but also enacted his activism on a sociopolitical level in the community. Kendrick’s parents were not BlackPanthers, 2Pac grew up immersed around BlackPanthers until he was 11 years old…… Huge difference in the influence between the motivation behind Kendrick’s music and 2Pac’s…… I’m disappointed that FD did not check Tony on his uninformed talking points.

Soooooooo, basically corporatism and capitalism are really the underlying cause for the death of HipHop……. The artist no longer have control over the art bcuz it is being dictated by capitalistic corporations

FD lost me when he said they never liked Drake

1:08:11 "what I worry is that Marxists will develop a religion without being aware of itself as a religion". That's an excellent insight! I also worry about leftist movements using Marxist theory to gatekeep access to power via forming an intellectual vanguard, rather than working on building "asabiyya" among the workers they are supposedly trying to liberate. It connects to your other point about many revolutions in developing countries starting as national liberation projects. It does seem easier to develop a strong group sentiment enabling self-sacrifice when people share conditions of colonial struggle vs. as a more abstract member of an international proletariat.

Tony>1dime

Banger of a collab! My favourite communist hip-hop atm is Pavlov's House, not many ppl know them but absolute 🔥🔥🔥 stuff on here

I thought this was a debate about 2 artists but half way through the topic is about one artist and others. Anyway while the other guy was destroying hip hop Kendrick was out here keeping it alive, keeping making great albums alive while being succesful both critically and commercially and to us that's the guy who's dominated hip hop the last 10 years despite the extreme success of the pop guy who's branded as the face of hip hop

W video

I watched this hoping to get some satiation while waiting for FDs Drake video, but it's only made waiting worse.

Something I genuinely wonder now: if Eminem and Kendrick somehow got in a rap beef who would win?

FD please drop the vid

Trots r sus. This is the guy who views Trump as the acceptable solution to US neoliberalism.

Future is a nepo baby???

I enjoy listening to both BUT would have been great to have heard FD make more room for Tony to develop his points.

Lupe can't even explain in plain English why he resents Kendrick, why would FD think he could do it lyrically?

Good chat.

Lil Yatchy says Drake NEVER listens to music . Only in the studio. And he found that weird at first.

MESSAGE FOR FD: Whats the dirt DEFINETLY has reaches! But he has A LOT of good and unique takes. And a lot of it is well informed. And if you watch his breakdowns as he goes on you can see him acknowledging where he went wrong and a lot of things he got right by guessing. But with all things on the internet its meant to mmadd the amount of info you have to then be able to better judge what tou think. Cause honestly, only Kendrick knows what he meant for real.

I CRINGED when FD Called Lil Wayne No Limit 😂😂😂

Ive heard a couple people suggest Kendrick alluded to dv on his last album. Which lines are yall talking about?

Unc really doing everything but working on his video 😭

We need a part 2 of you two talking hip hop

I am NOT the biggest hiphop head in the world (my favs list would probably be embarrassing to the “Trve” heads), but I still dug this, and I think you should do more hiphop stuff, and definitely more convos with FD. It’s funny, like a year ago, maybe a little more, I had said to someone something along the lines of, “idk if FD even has radical politics/is a leftist, but he seems like a nice dad, or cool uncle, who’s obviously more progressive than most.. I stand by the last parts of that, but I was obviously wrong on his politics. Tbf, I hadn’t watched most of his vids at the time, but since then, and definitely over the last year he’s become one of my favorite video essayists. I’d not only love you guys getting more into hiphop, but also just politics, in general. Good work, as always, Tony. 🙏✌️✊

I was waiting for you guys to say phonte. Drake stole his whole style from Phonte, and with the backing of UMG, it was a matter of when not if. Good video, fellas.

25:00 mark, shout out to Lil Bill. All the beef is manufactured, no unc v unc/cuz violence. Both seem to be solid dudes.