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The Lopetegui problem weakening West Ham's attack
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Julen Lopetegui's West Ham lost 3-0 to Nottingham Forest at the City Ground in the Premier League on Saturday, seeming incapable of creating chances for the vast majority of the match. The trend of the Hammers failing to create good attacking chances is far from new, having struggled all season regardless of formational shifts and rotating players. Why is West Ham struggling so much? Is the problem tactical or individual mistakes the players are making? Jack Elderton joins Charlie Walsh to answer the question.
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  • @obsidiancurse429
    @obsidiancurse429 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Great explanation. So as the players ain’t suited to the managers tactics the only real choices are the manager changes his tactics or we change manager? It’s not realistic to buy a new team to suit the manager Loppy seems as one dimensional as Moyes so has to go imo. Also, nice to see you Charlie, hope you well mate.

  • @DanSchroeder-j5r
    @DanSchroeder-j5r 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Boggles the mind that the manager on 3 million pounds a year can't see this. Doesn't he have his own team of analysts? Or are they all just paid to be yes men? Useless.

  • @obsidiancurse429
    @obsidiancurse429 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Can you forward this to Sullivan plz guys, it’s a great breakdown of our problems that even he should be able to understand 🤣 👍

  • @Ant-zo8rz
    @Ant-zo8rz 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You West Ham fans are delusional. Small club

  • @martinduggan4077
    @martinduggan4077 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    we don't have any one in the box we to recieve wide balls Our tactical genius manager is clueless

  • @rayburke-xg8yr
    @rayburke-xg8yr 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Enjoyed that. Twaz a top show! Keep up the good work.

  • @PWMoze
    @PWMoze 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Once again, it all makes sense when you put it like this: spaced out fullbacks who can't find the wide men, wing backs who can't cross the ball, forwards who have no height or strength to dominate in the box andbasically no chance of the central striker getting possession of the ball from the midfield. Apart from lining up before kick off is there anything we're doing under Lopetegui that actually works?

  • @otterofdespair3387
    @otterofdespair3387 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Charlie get back on the watchalongs you are much missed!

  • @bigtunesonly9348
    @bigtunesonly9348 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think this is without doubt the best West Ham channel/podcast about. I'd be interested in subscribing to the Patreon if you could do something about the vocal fry. I don't mean to be rude but I find it hard to listen to. Might just be me ⚒️

  • @EmergingEvents
    @EmergingEvents 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great insight and presentation guys! I can see the potential of the plan, but it needs very fast, skilled players to execute. I dont think we have it tbh. What’s Plan B?

  • @matp8493
    @matp8493 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The best Hammers content on youtube, cheers

    • @Doomsdayexe
      @Doomsdayexe 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      100% this, learnt so much this season purely from the podcast

  • @simonhughes7141
    @simonhughes7141 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Getting in crosses explains why we signed Fulkrug who is good in the air but seems pointless when our fullbacks/wingbacks are poor at crosses and why persist with this tactic when you play Bowen as lone striker? Coufal and Cresswell are better at crosses but have other weaknesses each as lack of pace. You would expect Lopetegui to adjust tactics to fit abilities of players.

    • @MakeWestHamGreatAgain
      @MakeWestHamGreatAgain 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Exactly. He has changed too much too soon for these players. How he thinks you can change from Moyes ball to a more possession based game is the space of months is beyond me. Wan bisakka excellent 1 Vs 1 defender but he is being asked to do things that we can all see are not his game. It can only be arrogance by the manager refusing to change or adapt his ways

  • @PeacefulGuy123
    @PeacefulGuy123 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Would this set up have worked better if Soucek had been fit?

  • @sammessenger9840
    @sammessenger9840 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Love your content

  • @f1exso
    @f1exso 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Best quote “is this a sensible way to ply football?” No….. no it’s not. This manager is absolutely trash

  • @nico-lasty
    @nico-lasty 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I was at the ground behind tghe freekick being taken and literally everyone could see what forest were going to do, cant believe how inept the defenders were in spotting the obvious routine 😂

  • @paunixon
    @paunixon 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Like Cal, I was pleased with the formation, and to some extent, the lineup (missing soucek, kudus and playing bowen as a lone attacker being the exception!). Could it be that the JLo actually had it right, but that the players we have are not capable of adapting that quickly to a new formation/tactics? Many of them have been used to one formation, one starting 11 and one way of playing under DM for eons. Any chance that Amorim, doing the same thing, would have had similar issues (excepting the red card...)?

  • @youcher
    @youcher 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Drillo took the Norway national team to FIFA rank 3# with that strategy, because he was absolutely obsessed with stats, and found out that there was a higher likelihood of scoring like that than trying to build up regularly

  • @morganlatte9688
    @morganlatte9688 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Woe…

  • @Sp1NNN023
    @Sp1NNN023 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Personally think that Guido and our back 4, is doing great in build up. The problem are others, they are not moving enough, they are rarely free, they are not trying to be involved in build up phase. Dont think that Lopetegui wants to play this long passes from centre back , think our CB are forced to make this passes due to lack of options. At one point we were actually tried to bait them to press, so our AM/wingers however you want to call them Summerville and Paqueta drops deep to get a ball and instead wack it long ball to our wingbacks. Cause it makes tricky for their fullback. Whether he follows them and change the structure of defense or he stays and let us build thru middle. But it was tactical masterclass from Nuno, they never took the bait even when ball was to Guido and Alvarez. He knew he had stronger and faster defence than our attack, so it was never needed for them to break the defensive structure. Overall think that Nuno beat Lopetegui in every tactical aspect possible. Instead for them to take the bait, Lopetegui took the bait and he remained tactically clueless till the end.

  • @timdiggines768
    @timdiggines768 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    As usual guys a simply brilliant synopsis

  • @MickRawson-j2m
    @MickRawson-j2m 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I have to admire you guys for the level of detail and analysis that is absent on most of the other you tube West Ham channels. Your understanding of football is way above mine and I’ve been a hammer for 50 years. So refreshing keep it up guys

  • @damiandamico4715
    @damiandamico4715 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    See, I on the other hand, was totally unimpressed by the team selection and after literally a minute and a half, knew it would be a battering. Our identity is still (or at least should be) FOUR, TWO THREE, ONE!

  • @ekim3380
    @ekim3380 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    3 obvious problems 1 slow midfield and no managerial cure 2 using wingbacks that are acting as wingers with very little defending 3 the system has been the same .

  • @sammessenger9840
    @sammessenger9840 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Very interesting enjoyed that Sort of👍

  • @stevemcauliffe1887
    @stevemcauliffe1887 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How the hell have we still got Antonio and Ings as our striking options?

    • @andrewkendall7814
      @andrewkendall7814 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Well, imo whenever Ings gets a chance he does well. I don't understand why he doesn't feature more. He may not be the player he was a few years ago, but I reckon if he was at Nottingham Forest, Espirito Santo would use him.

    • @Sp1NNN023
      @Sp1NNN023 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@andrewkendall7814 simple we got Moyes version 2.0 at Lopetegui. Different style but same mentality, he is stubborn he plays his system no matter what options he got. Refusing to adapt to players and that's why they are suffering. I mean he is a still a good coach. But clearly he fails to adapt to what we have here. So its time for him to go.

  • @stevemcauliffe1887
    @stevemcauliffe1887 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    If we lose against Everton, what's the betting Sullivan wheels out his 'the manager has three games to prove himself' routine again. -A real crowd-pleaser that one.

    • @DC-uf6ve
      @DC-uf6ve 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It's nailed on

  • @audialiastt2601
    @audialiastt2601 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    AU, in my opinion, everything about this game, displays, proves and shows what a circus the entire foundation of our club has become. The board lead by Sully's toxic and manipulative control, collectively endorse this farse based on their decisions and love of coin. Hence why we end up with clowns like Lopetegui, his staff and possibly Tim Steident. I have suggested in the last 3 years that Sully has to have a mental condition pertaining to old age. This is a mad house.

  • @audialiastt2601
    @audialiastt2601 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    More like the West Ham Broken Down.

  • @paulbeasley8218
    @paulbeasley8218 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Gee, the truth hurts

  • @Alecbassindale2024
    @Alecbassindale2024 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I honestly don't think we've quite grasped the mess that moyes has left us in. The squad needed a total overhaul when he left. The squad was so unbalanced (it still is) and was leaderless. We have no recognised CF... Moyes had 3 or 4 years to buy one and he opted not to. The players were so demoralised and shot, then when J-Lo walked in through the door and they realised it was more of the same, it must of broken them. Now, we have no gameplan... no I.D. No attacking intent... we can't move the ball at pace. We are playing players that are busted in terms of confidence and motivation We are looking at a relegation battle.

  • @Wilm-u1q
    @Wilm-u1q 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Moyes Out!

  • @chucklauber9914
    @chucklauber9914 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I find it indescribingly odd how a coach like Loppy can study a team, help recruit new players to said team...work with that team for over 6 months... and then utterly fail to understand that he is tactically playing to their weaknesses rather than their strengths. It's like the episode in South Park where the local baseball team tries to lose every game on purpose, and it culminates in playing a team trying to play even worse (Man United in this case). We have fullbacks that can defend but can't cross... don't put them in an ultra high position to cross. Maybe if we want to the insanity bit and continue to long ball it into the pitch, we shoud check on the availability of one 6 foot 6, 60-year old winger from Norway.

    • @DC-uf6ve
      @DC-uf6ve 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I agree, Lopetegui appears to be an absolute imbecile. Gets his starting lineup wrong every single week. Without fail. Let's see what comedy shit he inflicts on us this week when we lose to Everton. Bloke has got to be put out of his misery surely?

  • @artel6225
    @artel6225 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I've followed you guys for two seasons now. This being the third season, it has helped me look at the Irons's gameplay differently, as well as other matches. I am awaiting a year-in-advance payment option on Patreon as I travel globally through work, which has financial challenges during a busy year, hence my request. This is another excellent review. Team J-Lo needs to listen to your reviews, but I guess his ego is too big to do so. He repeats the same mistakes game after game that most fans can see, but J-Lo can't.

  • @ajames8
    @ajames8 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Don’t have a breakdown Jack - lol, glad you’re still smiling 😊

  • @MrMaroonmen
    @MrMaroonmen 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    He is a fraud

    • @DC-uf6ve
      @DC-uf6ve 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      And a wobber and a wapist!

  • @harry2bells
    @harry2bells 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Can I make this point. Legs in midfield is a point infact pace is an asset. I notice that its we are to slow in our passing and how bad we are at passing and keeping the ball. No energy and no dynamism don't help either. We look lazy. Fast hands in boxing is a gift but of little use without timing if that makes any sense!!

  • @simonhughes7141
    @simonhughes7141 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    We need to rebuild a midfield and get a striker, and to fund this, we would need to sell first - who would you sell? Alvarez, Kudos, who both appear to want to move on?

  • @billclarke7893
    @billclarke7893 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How can two TH-camrs correctly describe what’s so very wrong, when our highly paid coaching “professionals” can’t see or react to any of this? Lopetegui has been found out, now it’s time for the board to correct their mistake.

    • @bubblesblower93
      @bubblesblower93 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Put these two on the grass and see if they can coach something different. Seeing it is the easy part.

    • @chucklauber9914
      @chucklauber9914 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@bubblesblower93 To be clear, Cal and Jack don't proport to be coaches... they are analysts. And frankly, any EPL team worth their salt have a team of analysts pouring through game footage just like they do. And while our club-based analysts may or may not be blowing smoke up Loppy's ass... I can pretty much assure you that other analyst staffs know exactly how easy our vulnerabilites are to exploit, and most coaches put those in their game plans. The tough part of coaching is developing tactics and a structure that take advantage of the talent you have on hand so those vulnerabilities don't stick out like a sore thumb. Do it well, and you can be a Champion's league coach. Do it poorly, and you are a coach battling for relegation. No one said coaching in the EPL was easy... but that's where the "highly paid" part comes in.

    • @billclarke7893
      @billclarke7893 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@bubblesblower93 please “read” my comment, I’ve not said anything about them being coaches or coaching our team differently. Purely they have described what many are seeing, if they or others, can see this, why can’t those responsible? Lopetegui has had nearly six months, a preseason, twelve games, and still no identity of play with some of the strangest tactical decisions. International and good quality players are being made to look ordinary or not PL standard. Lopetegui said he has two players for every position, some able to play in multiple roles, there are no excuses why he is not getting more from this expensive squad, this is why I made the final comment, not because I’m following any ‘out’ narrative.

  • @simonhughes7141
    @simonhughes7141 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    All this chopping and changing of tactics and personnel clearly confuses the players as much as the fanbase - 12 games in, Lopetegui should know what will work with the abilities of the players. Definitely reached the day of reckoning, patience exhausted, and time to acknowledge not the coach to progress the club, but mire us in a relegation battle.

  • @BrianGayAnglingImages
    @BrianGayAnglingImages 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think you guys need to be on the club books as clearly you have a better idea about how to set our players up than our manager!

  • @ASOXO
    @ASOXO 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Moyes had a system of extreme low block and several players unsuitable to play that system. Unfortunately some of those same players can't play Lopetegui's system (Whatever that is) either. What does that tell me? That they aren't very good players. Total poisoned chalice. Who was supposed to come in and fix Moyes' mess? He left us with no first team depth, and players who had to be moved. Our captain had broken knees!!! I'm not defending Lopetegui as he is helping to dig his own grave but he isn't the only one digging it - the players are not playing anywhere near good enough. Bowen was wrong choice for captain. Alvarez has lost the plot, Paqueta is clearly too distracted, Kudus is fed up, Fullkrug who? Insane amount of problems and Lopetegui can try and resolve these behind the scenes but footballers are human too and have feelings. This is a much bigger issue than Lopetegui. Almost a perfect storm of a lot of negative events all at once.

    • @lukelonghurst2255
      @lukelonghurst2255 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Couldn't agree with this more 👏

    • @beatonthedonis
      @beatonthedonis 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Moyes is a top-three West Ham manager of all time. In his last season he left the club in 9th, which roughly accords with the club's position in the 5y net spend and total salaries tables at the time. And if Lopetegui were so allergic to Moyes' style of play, why did he sign Craig Dawson for Wolves and want to sign Antonio and Cresswell?

    • @ASOXO
      @ASOXO 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@MakeWestHamGreatAgain At what point did I disrespect Moyes? Can you disagree that he left the club with a team with no first team depth?

    • @ASOXO
      @ASOXO 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@beatonthedonis Never said he wasn't. But can you sit there and genuinely tell me the squad he left wasn't an utter state?

    • @beatonthedonis
      @beatonthedonis 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It was a mid-table squad in need of investment, which it got. And Lopetegui chose to keep the Moyes stalwarts like Antonio and Cressewll around.

  • @monkemouze5388
    @monkemouze5388 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    love the vids , love to listen while studying for GCSE's lol

    • @westay4924
      @westay4924 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      same, great to listen whilst studying

  • @paul333000
    @paul333000 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The answer to your question is no 😂I 😂

  • @veryrancid3128
    @veryrancid3128 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What worries me is how easily gaspacho got through the defence and on goal. Our defence left him wide open. And same happened against forrest. We had a really high line and no one looking at the wingers.

  • @audialiastt2601
    @audialiastt2601 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Never seen such luck and good fortune for a victory.

  • @ogyamatta6903
    @ogyamatta6903 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Charlie why are you no more on Hammerschat

  • @drawde5762
    @drawde5762 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    i was apprehensive about us signing summerville, I was thinking will be realistically be much of a step up from prime benrahma? but this game has confirmed for me that hes a much better player, much stronger and faster and doesnt get pushed off the ball or look for fouls

  • @drawde5762
    @drawde5762 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    charlie ,is this your new channel?

  • @markmann860
    @markmann860 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Our problems all seem to come from Lopetequi's insistence that full backs play so high. AWB is a great defender and we have in Bowen, Kudus and Summerville some of the league's best wingers yet the system is forcing them all to do what they are least good at. Plus instead of signing a fast defensive mid able to cover the full-backs we must have the league's slowest midfield. We just don't have the players to do what J-Lo wants yet he seems determined to persist.