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@@cmy428 that’s a strange assertion to make. And you’re wrong. This is indeed on Japanese Saturn original hardware.

@@ConsoleCombat There is no modification to this hardware? Not even some kind of HD loader. Because it is really doubtful because I played at the time and there were really many slowdowns and the loading time is much longer. Not even the ROM was modified?

@ those are fair questions. I only have the 1mb ram cart and a 4mb action replay ram cart. The 1mb was in the slot inat the time but I doubt that makes a difference. Also, the load times are edited for speed because I didn’t think it necessary to show the actual load speed. Finally, I only showed the one level and perhaps the slow down you are expecting happen elsewhere or after a certain amount of gameplay (certain characters?). I can’t say for certain that the cd rom of the game was modified or not as I got it that way. In any case, the Saturn itself is unmodified.

@@ConsoleCombat The part where you mention the scenarios and characters makes sense, perhaps also encoding the video to 60fps could have interpolated and corrected the framerate. Did you get to play this game while recording? you* didn't think this version was bad? Thanks for the responses.

I hadn’t thought of the 60fps transcoding affecting the game play. Thank you for that feedback. I hadn’t played much of the game as I was just trying to get a many comparisons as I could in a limited amount of time. Playing a bit longer today, I do notice was seems like cdrom seek bottlenecks. I am interested in getting a saroo now because I hear that seek time issue is faster. That would be great for showing the Saturn in the future. Again thanks for the feedback. I’ll try to improve.

Yes it’s missing some sound sample but as a much cheaper alternative, it was excellent if you wanted to play very accurately Neo Geo games.

I don’t have the ram cart needed to play the game.

every game ?

You must have a very good ear. A few have mentioned the difference in the comments.

It was definitely a lot more modern than the Neo Geo. The comparison is to show how ahead of its time the Neo Geo was in 2D gaming. I'd say it was on par for many 2D games released on the Saturn. But the Saturn was probably the first system that I got that I could say was truly beyond the Neo Geo. That was a first at the time.

@@ConsoleCombat The Neo Geo was ahead of its time, but only because it was arcade hardware sold as a console. It was not ahead of its time in the arcades. Imagine if Sega sold the Y Board as a console in 1988. It would certainly be called 'ahead of its time', but only because the home consoles were so limited.

@@axilmar254 No argument from me! How great would have it been for sega to do the same!

@@ConsoleCombat playing Powerdrift/Galaxy Force/etc at home? that would be INSANE!!!

I don't have to ROM cart to play it and I wanted to only use real hardware and not use emulation or FPGA to showcase the actual abilities of each system.

I played it with a 1MB ram cart. The 4mb ram cart I have would cause some of the sprites to corrupt for some reason. Perhaps My 4mb cart is bad but it doesn't do that with most other games.

It couldn't do polygons.

@@lee992001 I’ll have to take a look!

@ConsoleCombat just subscribed to your channel 🙌

@@lee992001 likewise!

Thank you for your feedback back. I’m still trying to better understand recording from RGB sources.

I could have run the NGCD on FPGA but I wanted to keep this video running on real hardware exclusively and the MVS is the only system I have that has all of these games.

The ps1 had to calculate the sprites as 3d models because it wasn't programmed for 2d games. I think even with more rams the ps1 would still had major problems.

@@ibrohiem Yes, basically everything was displayed using polygons on the PS1, sprites were mostly flat polygons with the pixel art on top of them. Still, these sprites requires a lot of memory, just like it does on the Saturn, if the PS1 had 4mb of RAM, we'd see head-to-head ports with the Saturn using the 4mb carts, but the sweet spot would be 6mb for both. Metal Slug on the PS is a fine example, they cut a lot of animation and even split the stages into two parts, this is strictly RAM constraints, as its CPU and GPU were much more powerful than people gives credit for. X-Men vs Street Fighter on the Saturn is basically 1:1 with the arcade with virtually no loadings, the PS release using the stock console memory is a pale shadow in comparison. Edit: Just a correction, the PS didn't have to "calculate" sprites as 3D models as you suggested at all, just imagine the hundreds of sprites animations a game such as Marvel vs Capcom (with the strikers) and all the background the console has to store prior to each fight, it not only requires a lot of RAM, but a faster CD read speed would be adequate for almost instant loading. As it is, only the Saturn could handle basically a 1:1 arcade conversion had this game been released on the console, even CPIII games, for that matter. And then we get to the most bothersome aspects of both consoles, RAM and CD speed constraints, while CPU and GPU were bottlenecked by these many times.

hated the x-men vs series and marvel vs capcom cause you can only play 1 character but can pick 2 character on the ps1

I agree that RAM was a big issue and rendered a lot of the power impotent. I think Saturn should have had a 384x224 mode for the Capcom games. The fat sprites due to stretching and using a 354x224 resolution look terrible to my eyes. I'd say the Saturn is best used for 320 x 224 games like the Taito F3 ports.

Wow $199. That’s incredible. Good on you. And yes the reason I didn’t add ‘95 is in fact that I do not have that rom cart and I wanted to only use real hardware to show actual capabilities of each system. Thank you for your detailed comment.

@@ConsoleCombat there is a version of kof 95 that does not require the ROM cartridge but only the RAM one, if you search on google you will find it

@@ConsoleCombat Yeah. I was pretty sure that's why Kof'95 wasn't included. As for prices, sadly those days are long gone. Looking at my Ebay history. I picked up many of my Neo Geo carts for sub $100, but do bear in mind that we are talking about japanese carts here, which were (and still are substantially cheaper). My best pick-ups over the years have been a Neo Geo CD for £20 (including 5 games) and a Hyper Neo Geo 64 LVS motherboard, which I found locally for £14 (with a copy of Fatal Fury: Wild Ambition) - That never gets old!!

@ wow. You must really have a knack for getting deals. Let me know if you ever get anywhere near those deals for something you’re not wanting for yourself.

@@johnnada6855 the number of games the Japanese got is also enviable

It sold more in Japan because in Japan the Saturn was also a video player which gave non gamers a reason to get it. Its success probably inspired the PS2 being a DVD player.

@@mrjfrostbite Maybe, but all the CD based consoles were promoted as karaoke in asia, i think what hooked the japanese to the saturn is that it was a cheaper neogeo + had FMV, playstation won at the end but at the start the saturn had all the hype cause their 3D arcade games were mind blowing and i´m talking all of them

I would guess the pixelated backgrounds from Waku Waku 7 on the Saturn is an oversight, it looks as if they took a screenshot from the zoomed out perspective and ported to the Saturn version. When the fight is zoomed out as characters are from from each other, the bg looks OK in both the original (left) and Saturn (right), but when zoomed in, it shows the original assets aren't there. And IF this was indeed an oversight, maybe a fan patch could fix it porting the original bg in the future, but then again, this is just a guess as it doesn't make sense all other games, including Samurai Spirits III and IV don't suffer from this issue.

@@roberto1519 you are not taking into account that Waku Waku 7 is one the few games for the Neogeo that uses BG's composed of 312 pixels tall by 16 pixels wide tilemap rows, while most games for the system use 256x16, this was supposedly done by Sunsoft devs to achieve a smoother and more detailed zoom in & out effect, so when porting this to a system with a 5mb RAM limit devs had to either reduce the quality of the animations or use assets at a lower screen resolution, so they chose to do the later.

@@Spolupyo That's quite strange, they could had either made the RAM cart optional like a few Capcom games offer, but in any case, this is still inconclusive, the backgrounds look way too pixelated, specially when more demanding arcade ports are basically 1:1, technicalities aside, this just looks like a lazy effort IF this wasn't an oversight and was indeed a choice.

As long as we are discussing 2D games you’re correct. On top of that, If you look closely at twinkle star sprites you’ll see some graphical improvements on top of what the arcade version had adding clouds with transparency.

Arcade perfect definately not (fewer animations-details, lower sound quality among other things), but very close and pleasant

@@brichan1851 I am impressed with the quality of the ports. You couldn’t go wrong with either system for these games.

@ absolutely! Thank you so much for making this great video. Most people don’t know that this takes hard work and a lot of timing editing. I want you to know that I appreciate your contribution. 😉

Great idea. I’ll work on that as my next comparison video.

but recent homebrew and dev kits proved such huge sprites could have been done on genesis... its quite mind blowing seeing real bout and KOF run on this machine. 16bit era was the golden age of gaming.

I’ll try to announce it next time. Thanks for watching.

@jasonbrooks62 thank you. I’ve blurred out the words since TH-cam doesn’t let me edit it beyond that.

Yes good call. Although, arguably, the title says same name different game so it can loosely still fit the theme.

You make an excellent point about arcade like games that weren’t necessarily in arcades. The genesis does deliver great experiences.

@ConsoleCombat Thank you! Games like E-Swat weren't actually ports but their own thing, but still retained the essence of the arcade. Sega was good at that kind of marketing early in their heyday. I still have a Super Nintendo, and the two were so different. I love them both, though. If you had the money, it was great to switch between systems for different experiences. Sega seemed more geared toward adult audiences, whereas Nintendo was more towards th RPG and "kid friendly" demographic. Both are great, and I'm glad to have experienced one of the Golden Eras of gaming...

@@DrNoBrazil these were all played on FPGA. So not software emulation but hardware emulation. These aren’t “my” emulators since I don’t build them. Adding scan lines artificially seems to be controversial as when I’ve added them people also complained about that. The ratios might be something I need to check since I’m still trying to get capture proper. I’ve bought hardware so that I can capture from real hardware as well and there will be a learning curve. In spite of the tone I appreciate your feedback.