@blacksheep1899 I never said anything about being triggered. Seems like someone is projecting their anger. Kindly bugger off, I don't want proshippers interacting with me. Good luck recovering from whatever put you in this place. I am proudly anti-proship and always will be, and I doubt anyone else in this comment section wants to hear your negativity.
Also, so sorry to bother the original poster of this video but idk if you've been getting comments like the one from this guy and I'm so sorry they're here. Once again, happy you recovered
i used to be a proshipper ! ,, i think my entire life revolved around sex and "love",, (im 15 now )) i think i realised pro shipping is bad when i got OCD intrusive thoughts and fell into a rabbit hole ,, my mom did encourage me to be in a relationship with my older male cousin when i was young,, and i was super sexual as a child maybe that's why,, but fanfics were a big part of my life and i basically grew up with this type of media,, though i dont have a fully secure safety system (iykwim) or someone adult i can rely on,, i think im slowly becoming better (?) atleast hopefully. sorry for the rant !
i love this video in the context of zoophila as well, non contact and contact. i respect recovering zoos who know it was/is wrong and got HELP! i really hope proshippers and commshippers realize this too, its not ok to normalize grooming/abuse in relationships! im also very proud of you for realizing that proshipping is wrong and getting out of it :3
Thanks for this, i hate saying this but i already recovered: i was a zoo and i accidentaly did a zoo thing and now *i regret doing that, i feel sick when i remember what i did and what i was* and i recovered from that by myself, but my past still haunts me And abt the proship thing i darkship bc its something that i can distract myself from reality problems (not having friends, always being excluded, my lowkey chaotic personality and my anger issues) 🤷🏽
@ILoveCordelius1273 im so proud of you. im so happy you realised what you did was wrong and moved away from that mindset, and I understand darkshipping in the context of coping, as long as its not like available to minors n stuff. again, I'm so proud of your recovery.
Thanks so much for your support, i hate doing problematic stuff (darkship) but its my only way to cope, i hope i can recover from this too. @@h4rpy.inactive
Not a ex proshipper but i'm a ex-neutralshipper. The reason why I was a neutralshipper its becuese I had some proship and antis mutuals (now my current mutuals are antis). And adults gr00med me thinking problematic media was "normal" even tho it's not.
I like how you brought up minors who are proshippers. It sucks how a lot of people will harrass instead of try to educate or help them. Great video!! I hope youre doing well.
i joined proship server for trollsies and it hasnt even been 24 hours and ive already had two adults dm me one saying hes into younger girls. I HAVENT EVEN BEEN ACTIVE ON IT I SENT LIKE 10 MSGS
Thank you for speaking out on this!! Proshipping is disgusting and has soooo many negative effects on people, even without them realizing it. Not to mention a lot of groomers weaponize it (like you mentioned). I've had similar experiences and I'm really glad you decided to speak out on it!! I hope this reaches the right audience. 😭🙏
I have a question for you: What are your thoughts on professional authors and works that depict such content? For example: George R R Martin: A major plot of "A Game of Thrones" (the book) involved 13-year-old Daenerys being sold into concubinage by her older brother to a man old enough to be her father. She's afraid at first, but eventually grows to enjoy it. The narrative treats this as positive and a good experience for her. This book is de jure illegal in some countries like Australia and Canada, but is not banned there.
I remember stumbling upon a Yaoi anime about a grown man being in love with a child as a kid and growing up I thought it was normal for a child to marry an adult but hopefully, when I grew older I realized it was wrong so yeah don't attack a pro shipper if it is a minor because they either got groomed or got exposed to adult media at a young age and they just didn't understand that it's wrong
Im a proshipper, but i didn't realize how dangerous it is. I have a ton of friends who are proshippers and i dont want to leave them. Im 15 as of right now, and im in a discord server for proshippers and theres so many adults there, and one of them is in a groupchat with me and 4 other minors. I have no info on him and i dont know how to report him. Sorry does this count as venting? Im sorry
Im saying this nicely as an adult proshipper/neutral and I can obviously not speak for the whole "community" but yeah, that is fucking weird. Most of my friends who'd consider themselves proship will make sure that children do not access their content to the best of their abilities and none of our discords even allows minors. I think unless that adult is doing something explicitly weird, there'd be no legal ground to report it. Best you can do to protect yourself is to stay among people of your own age. And that applies to any community, and isn't proship exclusive. If an adult wants to talk to you in-depth, knowing you're 15, please just stay away from them. But man, hearing that makes me sad. Feels like the current school system doesn't care about teaching young teenagers and kids basic internet safety anymore. :/
@Rougelesss trust me. He's doing weird stuff. There's a nsfw channel. And in our group chat we talk about some NSFW stuff since it's usually just us and one guy. Eventually he left our group chat (he did yesterday) and all of us are talking way more. I can't go into depth on what he's done. But I have solid evidence against him. Only issue is I don't know where he lives or what he looks like.
@@CLOWNTE3TH You can try reporting the messages to discord itself, like the most incriminating ones, if they still exist. Their support website says they take child exploitation seriously and will redirect these things to the according law inforcement.
OFF TOPIC BUT I LOVE YOUR ART STYLE AAAAAA!!! And also, I'm so, so, sorry this happened to you and you were groomed to being a proshipper, but I'm so happy you were brave enough to come foward and talk about this!!!
Proshipper here I think your opinions in proshipping is vaild but i do agree with "fiction does affect reality" it can but not like every single second and i am very sorry you have been groomed no one deserves that and i dont think i need help nor have i been groomed to think this ideology is okay i personally chose to believe this way now
Honestly this video made me feel a lot better. I had no idea so many other kids had similar experiences that I did. Honestly I feel guilty because unlike a lot of others I don’t have the excuse that I was groomed into it, unless if you can consider youtubers I used to watch as a kid saying it’s okay grooming, which I don’t think it is. I should’ve known better, I want to get therapy but I don’t think my family can afford it (also I don’t want my family finding out about it) I’ll probably never be able to forgive myself for the degenerate r34 art I got off to when I was 15, but this video definitely made it easier for me to move on, thank you.
I was also groomed into proshipping, and other issues (mostly human X feral animal and family X family) but it took me till recently, like a year or two ago to learn, yeah that stuff it’s bad, and I’m still being held to that standard now, because I drew the stuff that I’m bow disgusted by, like “you’re 19/you were 18 you shouldn’t known” I didn’t because of my surroundings and had to learn when I went out of them, which just sucks, I get blanked if I explain I don’t draw it anymore and don’t support because it was normalised to me for a long time
It’s so horrible that i never got justice for getting groomed alot and being touched by my Dad and my mom taking me a shower making me remember my dad touching me in the shower and I’m still a proshipper still getting groomed I hate it so much I just want to be heard not silenced I never got therapy
I'm so sorry that happened to you, please know that you aren't silenced. In this comment you will be heard, I promise you that. I deeply wish things get better for you and I'll pray for you every day.
@@Fluff-nr4jm dont ever be stopped by people being annoyed of you 'complaining' about sa and abuse. speaking out about it is so helpful, and it can help a lot, and break the stigma of talking about abuse. im so sorry you had to go through that and i hope you can get proper help and treatment to live a good life :3
I’m sorry if this is a stupid question but what exactly is a proshipper? Is it a person who ships incest and pedophilia? Because I thought it’s a person that is pro shipping, and pro fandom culture, such as ships that “don’t make sense”, headcanons, crossovers, self inserts, making fanart, cosplay, writing fanfics etc… because those are things that antis are against so I naturally thought that proshipper would be the opposite. I also heard that it’s people who like darker themes such as manipulation etc, which I wouldn’t say is bad if they obviously know it’s bad. It’s like a crime book or movie, I think? Like, where do you enjoy things like that if not in fiction?
the original term means anti-harassment, meaning you support all types of ships, including illegal ones, and don't bother people about them. The "modern" meaning now has been tweaked to, yes, one who engages in ships including pedophilia, incest, abuse, ect. Although those ships also fall in the "darkshipping" category, which is equally as bad.
Something I learned when researching this discussion is that lots have been simplified... and I don't think it's a good thing. Media studies shows us that what's fictional converses with, and influences (whilst being influenced by), reality, so no, saying fiction doesn't affect reality is truly wrong. But the way it does affects our world is not on a one-by-one casis; someone won't commit a crime just because they read or saw a character doing it. You won't rob a bank after watching an action bank robbing movie, and so, a fanfic reader won't have sex with their sibling just because they read an incestuous fic (only an example!). You know robbing is wrong, they know incest is wrong, we all know it's wrong and no one is going forward thinking it isn't. It being wrong is part of the charm, really, as the psychology of liking taboo things shows us (I looked it up, it's pretty cool). From what I could gather, it's being shown YYY type of problematic content for a long time, without diversifying your media usage, that's the problem. This is why I think we, fans inside fandoms, should foster debates in this light, especially to the younger fans. (Great opportunity for written blogs to cb. I miss reading blogs, why won't y'all create them?! 😔) p.s.: I am *NOT* trying to change your point of view, I genuinely want to talk about this without the entitlement. I can see where you're coming from, it makes sense you're against proshipping. p.p.s.: I saw someone say some proshippers on Tumblr shared your video saying it's harassment... what the hell, man?! What part of this is harassing? 🤨 You see, antiship versus proship can be interesting, but I think it's all very silly at the end of the day, and the chronically online fans on both sides embarass themselves so much sometimes... 🫥 *Literally no part of this is harassment.* You actually showed your points very cool headedly, I congratulate you.
The antiship versus proship debate interests me because I'm a fan studies junkie, and I wanna preface by saying I'm deeply sorry you were a sexual abuse and doxxing victim. Now, to my points: no one can groom someone into becoming a proshipper. Grooming is a very specific, and very serious, criminal act, as per Cambridge Dicionary's definition: "The criminal activity of becoming friends with a child in order to persuade the child to have a sexual relationship". The way ppl use a certain word matters, and it's unethical to banalize a genuine heinous crime like that. Note that I said unethical, and not immoral. There two a different, two, and the difference matters. Grooming is a specific criminal act, and not everything is grooming for a reason. The end. Second point, there is *no conclusive* evidence that [1] ppl with paraphilias of any sort, and let's focus, here, on those where the target cannot consent, that consume and create fictional sexually deviant content will, necessarily, act upon then - that is, that consuming and creating those fictional yadda-yadda content is a prediction factor in sex crimes; [2] or that your, or anyone's, abuser wouldn't abuse you if it weren't for those sexually deviant content. Can you prove it was cause and effect? What about all the other factors that play into sex crimes? This is a rethoric question, no need in answering! 😊 (Cause there are quite a few, and as far as scientific research understands, the fictional content is low on the list.) But I get how offending pedophiles, and other deranged sex criminals, could look at the proship comm and see it as a place to mask themselves in plain sight, so to speak. Not gonna lie, I worry about it too. Kinda like how we all can see bullies gravitating towards the antiship comm because cyberbullying is, undoubtly, encouraged by most antishippers. It's truly abhorrent. Truth is, both sex criminals and bullies can infiltrate any space, physical or digital, and what we can do to prevent it is to educate the fans online and to do the same with our children offline. As far as I know, any other option can easily fall for the ableism and racism that's rampant, sometimes unconsciously, in our society, and, thus, it's not advisable. I say this based on my healthcare and History knowledge, by the way. All that said, a pedophile is a pedophile, be them a proshipper, an antishipper, a neutralshipper, or any other silly variant. I will always get behind the victim and their suffering. The reasoning rearing the crime needs to be investigated without forgetting it's 100% on the criminal!!!
For some time I was so scared that people will learn about my past, how I was proshipper. Now I understand more about it, like, yes, I shipped 13 and 23 years old and I was 13 myself. Such a huge red flag in a way "they can became a victim of grooming" and still for some time I blamed myself for that. Now I'm 23. I can't even imagine how it's possible to feel something towards minors and I'm now scared for kids who can fall into that rabbit hole where I was. I wish so much that I would be able to protect them but what I can do at max at my own it's just not speak with minors or try to protect if I'll see someone with bad intentions around them and that's painful. Internet is not safe place for kids and there is really no way of total protection
Haven’t watched the vid yet, but I wanna give my thoughts on the topic as well. But yeah, proshipping is absolutely awful, and the main reason why I think so is because it romanticizes these horrible things. I think it’s okay to portray such problematic things in media AS LONG AS it is done with respect and showcases how horrid and vile those problematic things truly are. However, proshipping doesn’t do that. It portrays these horrid things as perfectly acceptable when it isn’t. And that’s my main gripes with it.
When I was younger I was SA’d and m0l3st3d irl and gr00m3d. I was thankfully never a proshipper but I’m so so glad you nolonger are a proshipper and I am so sorry you were gr00m3d into proshipping. I really really hope you recovered❤️🫂
dude my therapist is a shotacon who keeps talking about problematic yaoi
@@kagaminefever Omfg I'm so sorry to hear that! :(
what...
To everyone who recovered from being a proshipper, I'm so proud of you! You're incredibly strong and a wonderful symbol of resilience.
@blacksheep1899 I never said anything about being triggered. Seems like someone is projecting their anger. Kindly bugger off, I don't want proshippers interacting with me. Good luck recovering from whatever put you in this place. I am proudly anti-proship and always will be, and I doubt anyone else in this comment section wants to hear your negativity.
Also, so sorry to bother the original poster of this video but idk if you've been getting comments like the one from this guy and I'm so sorry they're here. Once again, happy you recovered
i used to be a proshipper ! ,, i think my entire life revolved around sex and "love",, (im 15 now )) i think i realised pro shipping is bad when i got OCD intrusive thoughts and fell into a rabbit hole ,,
my mom did encourage me to be in a relationship with my older male cousin when i was young,, and i was super sexual as a child maybe that's why,, but fanfics were a big part of my life and i basically grew up with this type of media,,
though i dont have a fully secure safety system (iykwim) or someone adult i can rely on,, i think im slowly becoming better (?) atleast hopefully.
sorry for the rant !
i love this video in the context of zoophila as well, non contact and contact. i respect recovering zoos who know it was/is wrong and got HELP! i really hope proshippers and commshippers realize this too, its not ok to normalize grooming/abuse in relationships! im also very proud of you for realizing that proshipping is wrong and getting out of it :3
Thanks for this, i hate saying this but i already recovered: i was a zoo and i accidentaly did a zoo thing and now *i regret doing that, i feel sick when i remember what i did and what i was* and i recovered from that by myself, but my past still haunts me
And abt the proship thing i darkship bc its something that i can distract myself from reality problems (not having friends, always being excluded, my lowkey chaotic personality and my anger issues) 🤷🏽
@ILoveCordelius1273 im so proud of you. im so happy you realised what you did was wrong and moved away from that mindset, and I understand darkshipping in the context of coping, as long as its not like available to minors n stuff. again, I'm so proud of your recovery.
Thanks so much for your support, i hate doing problematic stuff (darkship) but its my only way to cope, i hope i can recover from this too. @@h4rpy.inactive
Not a ex proshipper but i'm a ex-neutralshipper. The reason why I was a neutralshipper its becuese I had some proship and antis mutuals (now my current mutuals are antis). And adults gr00med me thinking problematic media was "normal" even tho it's not.
I like how you brought up minors who are proshippers. It sucks how a lot of people will harrass instead of try to educate or help them. Great video!! I hope youre doing well.
Heads up, proshippers caught wind of this video on tumblr and are accusing you of harassment.
@@ghostshipmoth7158 Do you mind telling me the users? Thank you so much for letting me know!
Thank you for telling me this, I really appreciate it.
i joined proship server for trollsies and it hasnt even been 24 hours and ive already had two adults dm me one saying hes into younger girls. I HAVENT EVEN BEEN ACTIVE ON IT I SENT LIKE 10 MSGS
no i dont support proship its weird asfffffff
Thank you for speaking out on this!! Proshipping is disgusting and has soooo many negative effects on people, even without them realizing it. Not to mention a lot of groomers weaponize it (like you mentioned). I've had similar experiences and I'm really glad you decided to speak out on it!! I hope this reaches the right audience. 😭🙏
Thank you for taking the time to watch this video! ^^ I appreciate the positive feedback!
I have a question for you: What are your thoughts on professional authors and works that depict such content?
For example: George R R Martin: A major plot of "A Game of Thrones" (the book) involved 13-year-old Daenerys being sold into concubinage by her older brother to a man old enough to be her father. She's afraid at first, but eventually grows to enjoy it. The narrative treats this as positive and a good experience for her. This book is de jure illegal in some countries like Australia and Canada, but is not banned there.
@@toaster8858 Well it depends on how it's being portrayed, like is it made to spread awareness? Or is it made to romanticize said topic?
As an ex-proshipper, I'm so glad that you cope with better mechanism❤
I remember stumbling upon a Yaoi anime about a grown man being in love with a child as a kid and growing up I thought it was normal for a child to marry an adult but hopefully, when I grew older I realized it was wrong so yeah don't attack a pro shipper if it is a minor because they either got groomed or got exposed to adult media at a young age and they just didn't understand that it's wrong
are you talking about superlovers
Im a proshipper, but i didn't realize how dangerous it is. I have a ton of friends who are proshippers and i dont want to leave them. Im 15 as of right now, and im in a discord server for proshippers and theres so many adults there, and one of them is in a groupchat with me and 4 other minors. I have no info on him and i dont know how to report him.
Sorry does this count as venting? Im sorry
@@CLOWNTE3TH It's perfectly okay to vent here. I'm so sorry that you're going through a tough time :(
@LokiZG I'll be ok, but thank you for making this video.
Im saying this nicely as an adult proshipper/neutral and I can obviously not speak for the whole "community" but yeah, that is fucking weird. Most of my friends who'd consider themselves proship will make sure that children do not access their content to the best of their abilities and none of our discords even allows minors.
I think unless that adult is doing something explicitly weird, there'd be no legal ground to report it. Best you can do to protect yourself is to stay among people of your own age. And that applies to any community, and isn't proship exclusive. If an adult wants to talk to you in-depth, knowing you're 15, please just stay away from them.
But man, hearing that makes me sad. Feels like the current school system doesn't care about teaching young teenagers and kids basic internet safety anymore. :/
@Rougelesss trust me. He's doing weird stuff. There's a nsfw channel. And in our group chat we talk about some NSFW stuff since it's usually just us and one guy. Eventually he left our group chat (he did yesterday) and all of us are talking way more. I can't go into depth on what he's done. But I have solid evidence against him. Only issue is I don't know where he lives or what he looks like.
@@CLOWNTE3TH You can try reporting the messages to discord itself, like the most incriminating ones, if they still exist.
Their support website says they take child exploitation seriously and will redirect these things to the according law inforcement.
OFF TOPIC BUT I LOVE YOUR ART STYLE AAAAAA!!! And also, I'm so, so, sorry this happened to you and you were groomed to being a proshipper, but I'm so happy you were brave enough to come foward and talk about this!!!
Thank you so much!!
Proshipper here
I think your opinions in proshipping is vaild but i do agree with "fiction does affect reality" it can but not like every single second and i am very sorry you have been groomed no one deserves that and i dont think i need help nor have i been groomed to think this ideology is okay i personally chose to believe this way now
Sane as an ex-anti ^_^
Fiction does and doesn't effect reality in different ways imo
@Ruthl3ss_c0rpze yeah!
I think that when antis think that all proshippers believe that we don't think fiction affects reality is a stereotype tbh
Honestly this video made me feel a lot better. I had no idea so many other kids had similar experiences that I did. Honestly I feel guilty because unlike a lot of others I don’t have the excuse that I was groomed into it, unless if you can consider youtubers I used to watch as a kid saying it’s okay grooming, which I don’t think it is. I should’ve known better, I want to get therapy but I don’t think my family can afford it (also I don’t want my family finding out about it) I’ll probably never be able to forgive myself for the degenerate r34 art I got off to when I was 15, but this video definitely made it easier for me to move on, thank you.
I was also groomed into proshipping, and other issues (mostly human X feral animal and family X family) but it took me till recently, like a year or two ago to learn, yeah that stuff it’s bad, and I’m still being held to that standard now, because I drew the stuff that I’m bow disgusted by, like “you’re 19/you were 18 you shouldn’t known” I didn’t because of my surroundings and had to learn when I went out of them, which just sucks, I get blanked if I explain I don’t draw it anymore and don’t support because it was normalised to me for a long time
It’s so horrible that i never got justice for getting groomed alot and being touched by my Dad and my mom taking me a shower making me remember my dad touching me in the shower and I’m still a proshipper still getting groomed I hate it so much I just want to be heard not silenced I never got therapy
I'm so sorry that happened to you, please know that you aren't silenced. In this comment you will be heard, I promise you that. I deeply wish things get better for you and I'll pray for you every day.
@@LokiZG people kept telling me to stop complaining about my s/a and my groomers and they were annoyed I hate be fucking silenced
@@Fluff-nr4jm I'm so sorry that happened. :(
@@LokiZG 🫂
@@Fluff-nr4jm dont ever be stopped by people being annoyed of you 'complaining' about sa and abuse. speaking out about it is so helpful, and it can help a lot, and break the stigma of talking about abuse. im so sorry you had to go through that and i hope you can get proper help and treatment to live a good life :3
thank you for having the courage to talk about this, I'm very sorry this happened to you. feel better soon ❤❤
I’m sorry if this is a stupid question but what exactly is a proshipper? Is it a person who ships incest and pedophilia? Because I thought it’s a person that is pro shipping, and pro fandom culture, such as ships that “don’t make sense”, headcanons, crossovers, self inserts, making fanart, cosplay, writing fanfics etc… because those are things that antis are against so I naturally thought that proshipper would be the opposite. I also heard that it’s people who like darker themes such as manipulation etc, which I wouldn’t say is bad if they obviously know it’s bad. It’s like a crime book or movie, I think? Like, where do you enjoy things like that if not in fiction?
the original term means anti-harassment, meaning you support all types of ships, including illegal ones, and don't bother people about them. The "modern" meaning now has been tweaked to, yes, one who engages in ships including pedophilia, incest, abuse, ect. Although those ships also fall in the "darkshipping" category, which is equally as bad.
@notsharko_so basically both sides are mentally ill, got it
Something I learned when researching this discussion is that lots have been simplified... and I don't think it's a good thing. Media studies shows us that what's fictional converses with, and influences (whilst being influenced by), reality, so no, saying fiction doesn't affect reality is truly wrong. But the way it does affects our world is not on a one-by-one casis; someone won't commit a crime just because they read or saw a character doing it. You won't rob a bank after watching an action bank robbing movie, and so, a fanfic reader won't have sex with their sibling just because they read an incestuous fic (only an example!). You know robbing is wrong, they know incest is wrong, we all know it's wrong and no one is going forward thinking it isn't. It being wrong is part of the charm, really, as the psychology of liking taboo things shows us (I looked it up, it's pretty cool).
From what I could gather, it's being shown YYY type of problematic content for a long time, without diversifying your media usage, that's the problem. This is why I think we, fans inside fandoms, should foster debates in this light, especially to the younger fans. (Great opportunity for written blogs to cb. I miss reading blogs, why won't y'all create them?! 😔)
p.s.: I am *NOT* trying to change your point of view, I genuinely want to talk about this without the entitlement. I can see where you're coming from, it makes sense you're against proshipping.
p.p.s.: I saw someone say some proshippers on Tumblr shared your video saying it's harassment... what the hell, man?! What part of this is harassing? 🤨 You see, antiship versus proship can be interesting, but I think it's all very silly at the end of the day, and the chronically online fans on both sides embarass themselves so much sometimes... 🫥 *Literally no part of this is harassment.* You actually showed your points very cool headedly, I congratulate you.
The antiship versus proship debate interests me because I'm a fan studies junkie, and I wanna preface by saying I'm deeply sorry you were a sexual abuse and doxxing victim.
Now, to my points: no one can groom someone into becoming a proshipper. Grooming is a very specific, and very serious, criminal act, as per Cambridge Dicionary's definition: "The criminal activity of becoming friends with a child in order to persuade the child to have a sexual relationship". The way ppl use a certain word matters, and it's unethical to banalize a genuine heinous crime like that.
Note that I said unethical, and not immoral. There two a different, two, and the difference matters.
Grooming is a specific criminal act, and not everything is grooming for a reason. The end.
Second point, there is *no conclusive* evidence that [1] ppl with paraphilias of any sort, and let's focus, here, on those where the target cannot consent, that consume and create fictional sexually deviant content will, necessarily, act upon then - that is, that consuming and creating those fictional yadda-yadda content is a prediction factor in sex crimes; [2] or that your, or anyone's, abuser wouldn't abuse you if it weren't for those sexually deviant content. Can you prove it was cause and effect? What about all the other factors that play into sex crimes? This is a rethoric question, no need in answering! 😊
(Cause there are quite a few, and as far as scientific research understands, the fictional content is low on the list.)
But I get how offending pedophiles, and other deranged sex criminals, could look at the proship comm and see it as a place to mask themselves in plain sight, so to speak. Not gonna lie, I worry about it too. Kinda like how we all can see bullies gravitating towards the antiship comm because cyberbullying is, undoubtly, encouraged by most antishippers. It's truly abhorrent.
Truth is, both sex criminals and bullies can infiltrate any space, physical or digital, and what we can do to prevent it is to educate the fans online and to do the same with our children offline. As far as I know, any other option can easily fall for the ableism and racism that's rampant, sometimes unconsciously, in our society, and, thus, it's not advisable. I say this based on my healthcare and History knowledge, by the way.
All that said, a pedophile is a pedophile, be them a proshipper, an antishipper, a neutralshipper, or any other silly variant. I will always get behind the victim and their suffering. The reasoning rearing the crime needs to be investigated without forgetting it's 100% on the criminal!!!
thank you! this completely sums up my thoughts
@@kagaminefever 🤜🤛
For some time I was so scared that people will learn about my past, how I was proshipper. Now I understand more about it, like, yes, I shipped 13 and 23 years old and I was 13 myself. Such a huge red flag in a way "they can became a victim of grooming" and still for some time I blamed myself for that. Now I'm 23. I can't even imagine how it's possible to feel something towards minors and I'm now scared for kids who can fall into that rabbit hole where I was. I wish so much that I would be able to protect them but what I can do at max at my own it's just not speak with minors or try to protect if I'll see someone with bad intentions around them and that's painful. Internet is not safe place for kids and there is really no way of total protection
tq for sharing ur advice i hope this spreads to all proshippers n stop shipping proships /pos
I’m glad you’re recovering from it
Haven’t watched the vid yet, but I wanna give my thoughts on the topic as well. But yeah, proshipping is absolutely awful, and the main reason why I think so is because it romanticizes these horrible things. I think it’s okay to portray such problematic things in media AS LONG AS it is done with respect and showcases how horrid and vile those problematic things truly are. However, proshipping doesn’t do that. It portrays these horrid things as perfectly acceptable when it isn’t. And that’s my main gripes with it.
I hope you're doing okay 🫂
When I was younger I was SA’d and m0l3st3d irl and gr00m3d. I was thankfully never a proshipper but I’m so so glad you nolonger are a proshipper and I am so sorry you were gr00m3d into proshipping. I really really hope you recovered❤️🫂